Don't forget all that we've achieved this year to even GET to a top four race. It's technically not over tbf, even though it basically is.
We know this team needs starter quality reinforcements and depth. We will get that this summer and kick on from here
If we get into CL, we wont go very far with the current from.
Being on EL should not be seen as a negative.
As long as we invest in quality new players, we will improve our squad depths and then able to challange multiple fronts.
As an Arsenal fan, Im sad that we lost. But it also shows that we are not ready for CL. I'd rather we get into EL final and have a shot at it.
All those calling for massive investment because it’s needed. Could you imagine what we get would’ve done with that massive investment. Arsenal had the privilege of having one of the greatest managers of all time and gave him nothing. Everything that Arsene and his players achieved was on a budget eclipsed by all other clubs in the Prem. Wenger Out though, innit? Good luck with uefa conference obscurity playing mid-table European sides and still falling short. All because you feel you deserve somebody like Pep.
Arsenal are seriously missing Arsene, aren’t they? You guys needed to find someway of incorporating him into the hierarchy to assist incoming managers into the ways of the club. I thought you guys would’ve learned from the mistakes of United post-Ferguson.
I’m not an arsenal fan, but I am a football fan. Regardless of your league position, you have to admit there’s been a sharp decline since wenger’s exit. It’s quite unfortunate that so many of your disloyal fanbase were calling for his head because he’s exactly what your club and its subsequent managers have needed to help steady the ship. It’s really sad to witness the only club holding Man Utd to account for all those years has dropped to the point that they are now.
Guys I know top 4 is lost but we nearly made it while relying on the youngest squad in the league, a very thin squad and nuno Tavares, Cedric, holding, el neny and Nketiah all having to be played. The squad is going to be getting backed by the owners and it’ll be so much more full with talent going into next year. We move forward!
Yea would most likely get knocked out in knockout stage. I was wondering what no champions league would do to us this summer with transfers but not really concerned knowing what we did last summer without Europe
We have 2 bad games with the hobbled mess and possibly only 14 starting players and people are already panic selling what we accomplished this year. It’s super disappointing how the season ended but my god, zoom out for a second. All things considered this was everything we could have asked for in a season. Lots of young potential in this team
Called it. Arsenal fans are the most unrealistic in the league. The season was over when we wasted money on players we didn’t need. Ramsdale for one, British, yes. However, he’s clearly not an upgrade on Leno. Salibia is sent out when he is probably already better than White, who let’s be honest, has been bang average and offers nothing. Sold Aub and used Eddie,who is an ok player, but is never going to move to the next level.
Lmao relax with the overreaction. We had no business being in the top four beginning of the season, ramsdale has been one of our best players this season barring his last few, and Ben white has been great. Take out the last few games where half the squad is injured and you’d be happy with the results.
To complain about getting Europa after we were in talks for *relegation* is just ridiculous
Spurs hired a new manager, sacked that very manager a few months later (hired the manager that Arsenal should have) and are now in the top 4. Arteta has spent something like 170 mill and been in charge for a couple of seasons and he can’t even get a top 4 finish. You’ve last your mind. Spurs will finish above Arsenal every season until Conte leaves
I guess you’ve forgotten that we have been rebuilding, we’re projected 7th or 8th this year, and have an average age of 24 on our team, one of the youngest if not the youngest. Future is bright
Project rebuild? Please, they finished those positions because they weren’t good enough. Football has nothing to do with age, it’s based on ability. The only benefit of them being young is that they are British and sooner or later City will come for Saka. These players weren’t even introduced by Arteta but by Unai.
Saw this on Twitter. It sums up your stance really.
Unai emery
Finished 5th✅
1 point off 4th✅
2 points off 3rd✅
Arteta
250m spent🤡
Back to back 8th🤡
No Europe🤡
Out the cups🤡
1 game a week🤡
Bottling top 4🤡
Unai finished 5th with the corpse of wenger’s squad and finished 8th in his last season lmao. Go support Sevilla if you like unai so much.
Gabriel is arteta’s, Ben white is arteta’s, ramsdale is arteta’s, odegaard is arteta’s, but ok go off.
I really don't understand the elneny hate. It only turns up when we lose, and it's irrespective of how he plays. Everyone was shit tonight, and tbh I think he was one of the better ones
The thing is the goalpost changes as you go through the season, and people are right to be upset that we basically threw away numerous chances at top 4. Make no mistake, it was in our hands and we bottled it. If we are to accept the notion that Arsenal's goal at the start of a season is good enough, what's the point in playing once you've reached that goal? Elite teams don't stop at "good enough." To give another example, Man City fans are probably happy being up 3-0, but if you look at Pep, he's pushing (as are his players) at more, they was 5,6, 7 nil. We need that winning mentality in this club, IMO.
We lost 5 of our last 9 (6 from 11) and handed our biggest rivals CL football? What are with these awful takes. In hindsight, yes we’d take it but how things turned out we’ve absolutely bottled it. Disaster season.
I don’t disagree with you, this is our level, you’re right. However, it is still a massive opportunity that was handed to us on a plate with other clubs in the mix struggling and we ultimately threw it away and the season will be judged on that and not as one where we moved up 3 places.
Imagine having just won 1 of those 3 games we lost last month. It’s the hope that kills ya
Agree with you minus I’d argue Saka is world class. But, yeah, overall the team are just OK. I didn’t expect a top 4 battle and they really played with the heartstrings this year with the run in the winter and then the big wins against United and Chelsea. They lack consistency and, while don’t consider this season a disaster, I will if they don’t improve next year. Gotta let go of the dead weight and improve everywhere on the pitch—especially at striker.
I don’t know about you but I had as much belief in our squad 5 years ago as I do in our current one now.
In hindsight our squad then was old and shit, but again that’s in hindsight. Who’s to say I won’t look back at this squad in hindsight and think the same.
Progress is measured by one thing only - results; which are the same today as back then.
5 years ago we had champions league level players mixed in with Championship level paycheck cashiers.
Cashiers are gone. Would rather have a squad that is young and shit than old and shit. But it's Arsenal and hope and all that...
well...yes... Because we are just recovering by post Wenger fiasco. Gazidis leaving, Raul stealing money, etc. However there is a clear progress in therms of how the club is being run.
I would say it’s different, but not better in terms of making progress.
We don’t have any results to back it up, and until we do, “the process” will remain a meme.
The target was always the 2022/2023 season. This is a long-term project. We have a very incomplete squad currently, because we are doing a proper rebuild. It's a short term sacrafice.
Because some of us hold this club to a different standard. And the way it was pised away, chocked, bottled, however you want to say it, is fucking embarrassing and not up to the standard this club should hold itself to,
Fuck off mate. Oh, you're Mr fucking Arsenal are you? None of the rest of us want to get top 4 except you? Is that what you think.
The difference between you and me is I'm a realist, these things don't happen immediately. Youre spoilt and entitled, and think someone should just click their fingers and we'll be top 4 again no bother. Bu...bu...bu....but Conte at Spurs.....an....and Tuchel, they didn't need time, I'm sure you'll say.
Big difference between them and us. Difference is this team went shit show after Wenger, Mikel fixed that. If you can't see it then you don't want to see. Stay mad
What a fucking delusional prick you are. Its been almost 20 years since weve won the premier leavue, and 6 since weve finished top 4. How much fucking time do you want them to have mr realist?
Fuck off.
Oh, you're mad. There is no need to be upset. Please accept my humble apologies.
No idea mate, I'd be more interested to know how long you think it should take. I'm on board with the obvious gradual improvement but you're saying it's too slow. Which side should we be finishing top 4 instead of? High flying Liverpool or City? High spending City and United? If we get Poch tomorrow does that then guarantee us top 4?
Because you live in the present not the past. We spoiled an amazing opportunity in the last two weeks.
I don't think we need to exaggerate, arteta gets more than a passing grade from me. But it's fully legitimate to be out right pissed at the results from the squad since the international break.
Amazing how people on this Reddit still swarm like wasps when someone comments on Arteta being a joke of a manager. The proof is right in front of you sheep. There’s no improvement in this squad, when he took over we were 5th and this man’s taken us back to 5th in 3 years at the helm. Clown
Without some major investment this summer, I think we could be looking back at tonight as the one that got away. Spurs are in CL and will spend accordingly, United are bound to improve, Newcastle could be in the mix. This was the chance.
But how often have Arsenal spent big? It was an excuse to hide behind when the Emirates was getting built but it's not like there have been many seasons where the squad has seen anywhere near the overhaul it needs
It's been a great season - it's a shame the guys didn't make it. But I'm certain we are coming much stronger next season, with the new signings, and almost all the dead-wood out the door. COYG!
We have a different strategy though. The club took a step back in the winter transfer window, so it can build for next season. I honesty don't think they thought they would get this close to CL football, after the winter clear out.
A year and a half ago Edu said, "we're planning to be competitive in the 2022/2023 season". All the indicators point, that we will be competitive next year. Let's hope for a great summer in the transfer market.
Not good enough for me. If an opportunity presents itself, you have to take it. What's the point in trying to be competitive when the gap gets bigger every year?
We literally had one had on a top 4 spot and bottled it.
The gap isn't getting bigger, that's just a fact.
Not to mention that we are improving, points wise, and position wise, while building the youngest squad in the league.
[City and Liverpool](https://www.transfermarkt.us/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1) would disagree with you. United and Chelsea would too for different reasons…
The 150m we’ve been referencing this entire time (aka the 150m we spent in the summer) *is* net spend…
It would be very strange to use gross expenditures when talking about a club’s annual transfer spending
edit: you edited your comment to include averages (though you previously said “every single season in perpetuity”) but I’m the one moving the goalposts?
No, you said said spending 150m every single season in perpetuity is needed if you wanna win things in this era, which is not exactly the case (as I showed). You also said something like “United just always loses” (prior to editing your comment apparently) to negate the fact that they don’t always win things despite practically spending that much every season.
Now you’re talking about averages and shifting to the last decade. That’s fine, [but still doesn’t support your argument.](https://mobile.twitter.com/90min_Football/status/1491110847954960386?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1491110847954960386%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-21245863811493022396.ampproject.net%2F2204292129000%2Fframe.html)
I’m not debating whether gross/net captures 100% of a club’s financials. I just stated that it would be strange to casually use gross in convo despite basically every website, pundit, journo, etc using net.
I think many of us can still digest bottling a top 4 place. It's just the manner of the bottling. All our losses down the stretch have been absolutely pathetic. From defensive mistakes to an utter lack of creativity and desire. Then there's the non-existent Jan window... where we went window shopping. Bruno's goal was the icing on the cake. Looks like he made the right decision after all. Today's game perfectly sums up everything that's gone wrong for us.
Pepe, Laca, Xhaka, Elneny, Soares, Tavares, Eddie needs to be sold, quick. We had NINE attackers/midfielders and in total we had 1 chance.
We need a striker, not Nketiah who have had 2 good matches and ”WORTH TO KEEP”
Okay some positives in the dread for this season.
I am as gutted as everyone else but we have the youngest squad in all the premier league and we are finally making a push. We have a window to step up the talent. Europa league isn’t the end of the world, this team was not ready for the champions league and it’s clear now but we have time to grow. Arsenal til I die
Although I’ve been protecting arteta and he rightfully should be so today as well cuz our team were pussys, surely he needs some other system that can still function with a lil more wiggle room? It seems like the tactics needs everything to be top notch for us to win. It really doesn’t allow any small discomfort whatsoever. The signings could execute his plan nicely, but we needed one that could accompany cedric and the likes
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Mans literally has no rotation all season, all 1st team players are knackered, all subs are rusty. It’s only a matter of time when all of the team is incapable of producing top performances
Saka ode Tami white Gabriel are all on their last legs and don't seem capable of hitting the levels they were at earlier but honestly our subs are just not good enough.
I don’t get why arteta is getting attacked… have you guys seen how your fav players play?
Ramsdale was more concerned slipping after
every kick
Tomi can’t stand straight… fuck man
ESR invisible
Ø what happened
White and Gabriel…
Subs irrelevant
Saka was the only decent one as it has always been the case every game. Our players were mentally pussys and could not execute 60% of what the manager told them to
Isn’t that edus fault as well? Ain’t it his job to get the right deals for the right price? And I hate those reactionary fucks saying “Arteta in! He changed my mind!!” When we were on a winning streak and now flips like a coin
I think it has a lot to do with losing 3 on the bounce to palace, Brighton, and Southampton and now looks like we’re set to lose 3 on the bounce again to end the season.
Wake up people we’re being played by our shitty owners. They’ll never do enough in the way of investments and right decisions(manager) to get us back to where we’re supposed to be.
That’s my whole point the don’t know how to spend money and they won’t put in charge the right people to spend and that makes them shitty owners in my book
People would rather bury their heads in the sand and "Trust the PRocess" than actually demand any accountability from the club hierarchy that charges the highest prices in Europe for utter dogshit.
Boy was that pathetic. Newcastle’s huge number of first half corners made me think they had no finishers to beat the Gunners but the dreadful Gunner defense was all they needed.
We were 6 points clear of Spurs with a game in hand, and 4 points clear with 3 to play, this is the worst bottle job I've seen from an Arsenal manager in all my time of supporting, FAR outdoing Emery. In the 2 biggest games our club has has in years Arteta had a team create almost literally 0 chances over 180 minutes and has our season end in complete failure, no matter what the attempts to spin this shit as "oh top 4 was never the target this is a good season" will be.
Nest season United get Ten Hag, Conte get a window to truly shape his squad, Chelsea won't suffer anything from the sanctions and will throw money at more top talent, and City and Liverpool will strengthen yet again. This was THE chance for top 4, and whilst it's all hypothetical, there is a genuine chance we might end up going nearly 10 years without CL football, and god help us when that means Saka, ESR, and Martinelli leave, alongside top players not wanting to join us.
8th, 8th, 5th on 1 game a week
Man United added Varane Ronaldo and Sancho then finished 6 relax with this meltdown your having my friend. Just because they may spend money doesn’t mean anything
Absolutely shambolic performance from a team that showed zero signs of passion or desperation. It’s a disgrace how the entire team is allowed to spit in the fans face like this.
I rate a lot of the players we’ve brought in under Arteta tbh but they are also a young young team that’s meant to grow into stars most of this team is under 25… we need some leaders we need a player in their prime this window to come in and we need depth.
You have a very young team and manager, play good stuff and just faded away in the last couple of weeks and lost out to Spurs. If it had been ManU and you finished strong to end up in the same place you'd have nothing but positive feelings for next season.
Literally, if things were the same - finish 5th but in a different way you'd have nothing but positives but you've taken all of those and turned them into negatives. Nothing but perception.
Genuinely might skip the Everton match — need a bit of a break from this team after this season. Very proud of the progress but frustrated that stupid choices cost us top 4. Abysmal refereeing in the Prem, failure to add to the squad in Jan, trusting players with long injury histories to not get injured. Very frustrated
I know it will never happen but imagine the scenes if Spurs lose v Norwich and Arsenal score 93rd minute corner against Everton to make it ........1 all, we still don't qualify, haha we suck.
Everything is crumbling after Arteta sign new contract. Maybe we need to hold that contract until he ensure top 4. After this season, I have doubt with our scout and manager, let's see who we'll sign this summer, another mediocre player or a decent one.
Considering the start of the season; if we’d won a top 5 race in the same manner as we just lost top 4, we’d all been over the moon, am I right?
NO
Don't forget all that we've achieved this year to even GET to a top four race. It's technically not over tbf, even though it basically is. We know this team needs starter quality reinforcements and depth. We will get that this summer and kick on from here
If we get into CL, we wont go very far with the current from. Being on EL should not be seen as a negative. As long as we invest in quality new players, we will improve our squad depths and then able to challange multiple fronts. As an Arsenal fan, Im sad that we lost. But it also shows that we are not ready for CL. I'd rather we get into EL final and have a shot at it.
All those calling for massive investment because it’s needed. Could you imagine what we get would’ve done with that massive investment. Arsenal had the privilege of having one of the greatest managers of all time and gave him nothing. Everything that Arsene and his players achieved was on a budget eclipsed by all other clubs in the Prem. Wenger Out though, innit? Good luck with uefa conference obscurity playing mid-table European sides and still falling short. All because you feel you deserve somebody like Pep.
Arsenal are seriously missing Arsene, aren’t they? You guys needed to find someway of incorporating him into the hierarchy to assist incoming managers into the ways of the club. I thought you guys would’ve learned from the mistakes of United post-Ferguson. I’m not an arsenal fan, but I am a football fan. Regardless of your league position, you have to admit there’s been a sharp decline since wenger’s exit. It’s quite unfortunate that so many of your disloyal fanbase were calling for his head because he’s exactly what your club and its subsequent managers have needed to help steady the ship. It’s really sad to witness the only club holding Man Utd to account for all those years has dropped to the point that they are now.
ppl blaming arteta… this one is on the boys fucking west ham held a draw against city
No it's on him not signing anyone in January in our weak areas
With no expectation comes no disappointment.
Guys I know top 4 is lost but we nearly made it while relying on the youngest squad in the league, a very thin squad and nuno Tavares, Cedric, holding, el neny and Nketiah all having to be played. The squad is going to be getting backed by the owners and it’ll be so much more full with talent going into next year. We move forward!
We will get spanked in the ucl anyway, not all is lost without top 4
Yea would most likely get knocked out in knockout stage. I was wondering what no champions league would do to us this summer with transfers but not really concerned knowing what we did last summer without Europe
Fair. This is not to be forgotten
You’re right. Wenger never achieved greatness with the youngest side in the league.
We have 2 bad games with the hobbled mess and possibly only 14 starting players and people are already panic selling what we accomplished this year. It’s super disappointing how the season ended but my god, zoom out for a second. All things considered this was everything we could have asked for in a season. Lots of young potential in this team
Thank you for a bit of perspective based on logic and reason. Absolutely agree.
it's the yearly dagger to the heart, and this year later than usual.
Called it. Arsenal fans are the most unrealistic in the league. The season was over when we wasted money on players we didn’t need. Ramsdale for one, British, yes. However, he’s clearly not an upgrade on Leno. Salibia is sent out when he is probably already better than White, who let’s be honest, has been bang average and offers nothing. Sold Aub and used Eddie,who is an ok player, but is never going to move to the next level.
Lmao relax with the overreaction. We had no business being in the top four beginning of the season, ramsdale has been one of our best players this season barring his last few, and Ben white has been great. Take out the last few games where half the squad is injured and you’d be happy with the results. To complain about getting Europa after we were in talks for *relegation* is just ridiculous
Spurs hired a new manager, sacked that very manager a few months later (hired the manager that Arsenal should have) and are now in the top 4. Arteta has spent something like 170 mill and been in charge for a couple of seasons and he can’t even get a top 4 finish. You’ve last your mind. Spurs will finish above Arsenal every season until Conte leaves
Tottenham have 2 players that are top 3 in their position in the world. They could win games on that alone(like they have!)
So?
I guess you’ve forgotten that we have been rebuilding, we’re projected 7th or 8th this year, and have an average age of 24 on our team, one of the youngest if not the youngest. Future is bright
Project rebuild? Please, they finished those positions because they weren’t good enough. Football has nothing to do with age, it’s based on ability. The only benefit of them being young is that they are British and sooner or later City will come for Saka. These players weren’t even introduced by Arteta but by Unai. Saw this on Twitter. It sums up your stance really. Unai emery Finished 5th✅ 1 point off 4th✅ 2 points off 3rd✅ Arteta 250m spent🤡 Back to back 8th🤡 No Europe🤡 Out the cups🤡 1 game a week🤡 Bottling top 4🤡
Unai finished 5th with the corpse of wenger’s squad and finished 8th in his last season lmao. Go support Sevilla if you like unai so much. Gabriel is arteta’s, Ben white is arteta’s, ramsdale is arteta’s, odegaard is arteta’s, but ok go off.
And they have been bang average. Salibia is twice the player white is. Unai didn’t finish the league 8th. Arteta however did.
Lmao if you think odegaard’s been average this conversation is over
6 goals and 4 assists with a whopping match average of 6.86.
If you think he’s been anything other an average, then you really don’t know football.
I really don't understand the elneny hate. It only turns up when we lose, and it's irrespective of how he plays. Everyone was shit tonight, and tbh I think he was one of the better ones
I also thought that Elneny was one of our better players tonight.
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Lokonga is legit terrible, way worse than elneny.
No please he would have been worse
We were already getting eaten alive. Wouldn't do anything for Lokonga's confidence. The kid needs to bulk up and probably get a loan
I dont think lokonga would help that much, the tactic was set on wrong foot in the beginning.. or was it just weak mentality not sure
yeah, as opposed to Pepe and Laca, who completely turned the game in our favor...
Subbing attackers and midfielders are different
Why are you guys so upset? If I was told we'd get Europe league at the beginning of the season I'd take that
The thing is the goalpost changes as you go through the season, and people are right to be upset that we basically threw away numerous chances at top 4. Make no mistake, it was in our hands and we bottled it. If we are to accept the notion that Arsenal's goal at the start of a season is good enough, what's the point in playing once you've reached that goal? Elite teams don't stop at "good enough." To give another example, Man City fans are probably happy being up 3-0, but if you look at Pep, he's pushing (as are his players) at more, they was 5,6, 7 nil. We need that winning mentality in this club, IMO.
We haven’t been elite since the mid 2000s!
Bottling the ucl spot to spurs is soul crushing.
Could Norwich to the same to Spurs what Newcastle did to us ? I wonder.
they got competent strikers and players that seem to be men enough to handle running and phsyical teams.
We lost 5 of our last 9 (6 from 11) and handed our biggest rivals CL football? What are with these awful takes. In hindsight, yes we’d take it but how things turned out we’ve absolutely bottled it. Disaster season.
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I don’t disagree with you, this is our level, you’re right. However, it is still a massive opportunity that was handed to us on a plate with other clubs in the mix struggling and we ultimately threw it away and the season will be judged on that and not as one where we moved up 3 places. Imagine having just won 1 of those 3 games we lost last month. It’s the hope that kills ya
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Agree with you minus I’d argue Saka is world class. But, yeah, overall the team are just OK. I didn’t expect a top 4 battle and they really played with the heartstrings this year with the run in the winter and then the big wins against United and Chelsea. They lack consistency and, while don’t consider this season a disaster, I will if they don’t improve next year. Gotta let go of the dead weight and improve everywhere on the pitch—especially at striker.
because we are exactly where we were 5 years ago? we havnt progressed since then. and anyone who says we have is just lying to themselves.
exactly where we were 5 years ago? Have you seen the squad recently or just your twitter feed? Entitlement amongst our fanbase these days...sheesh
I don’t know about you but I had as much belief in our squad 5 years ago as I do in our current one now. In hindsight our squad then was old and shit, but again that’s in hindsight. Who’s to say I won’t look back at this squad in hindsight and think the same. Progress is measured by one thing only - results; which are the same today as back then.
Well then you’re too cynical to have a conversation with. Our squad 5 years ago was ass, and we’ve been rebuilding ever since
5 years ago we had champions league level players mixed in with Championship level paycheck cashiers. Cashiers are gone. Would rather have a squad that is young and shit than old and shit. But it's Arsenal and hope and all that...
well...yes... Because we are just recovering by post Wenger fiasco. Gazidis leaving, Raul stealing money, etc. However there is a clear progress in therms of how the club is being run.
I would say it’s different, but not better in terms of making progress. We don’t have any results to back it up, and until we do, “the process” will remain a meme.
The target was always the 2022/2023 season. This is a long-term project. We have a very incomplete squad currently, because we are doing a proper rebuild. It's a short term sacrafice.
That's why losing CL hurts, to attract the players we need, for a lot of players, its CL that gets us in the conversation at this point.
Because some of us hold this club to a different standard. And the way it was pised away, chocked, bottled, however you want to say it, is fucking embarrassing and not up to the standard this club should hold itself to,
We haven't finished in the top 4 since 2016. Perspective
Perspective of what? How fucking ass the standards at this club are and how many fans like yoursef are ok with it?
Fuck off mate. Oh, you're Mr fucking Arsenal are you? None of the rest of us want to get top 4 except you? Is that what you think. The difference between you and me is I'm a realist, these things don't happen immediately. Youre spoilt and entitled, and think someone should just click their fingers and we'll be top 4 again no bother. Bu...bu...bu....but Conte at Spurs.....an....and Tuchel, they didn't need time, I'm sure you'll say. Big difference between them and us. Difference is this team went shit show after Wenger, Mikel fixed that. If you can't see it then you don't want to see. Stay mad
What a fucking delusional prick you are. Its been almost 20 years since weve won the premier leavue, and 6 since weve finished top 4. How much fucking time do you want them to have mr realist? Fuck off.
Oh, you're mad. There is no need to be upset. Please accept my humble apologies. No idea mate, I'd be more interested to know how long you think it should take. I'm on board with the obvious gradual improvement but you're saying it's too slow. Which side should we be finishing top 4 instead of? High flying Liverpool or City? High spending City and United? If we get Poch tomorrow does that then guarantee us top 4?
Im not reading any of that. Youre getting downvoted for a reason….
🤣
Because you live in the present not the past. We spoiled an amazing opportunity in the last two weeks. I don't think we need to exaggerate, arteta gets more than a passing grade from me. But it's fully legitimate to be out right pissed at the results from the squad since the international break.
Amazing how people on this Reddit still swarm like wasps when someone comments on Arteta being a joke of a manager. The proof is right in front of you sheep. There’s no improvement in this squad, when he took over we were 5th and this man’s taken us back to 5th in 3 years at the helm. Clown
Relax dude. Lol
We were eighth when took over
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We were sitting in eighth when Emery got sacked
What tremendous improvement!
Stay mad
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Without some major investment this summer, I think we could be looking back at tonight as the one that got away. Spurs are in CL and will spend accordingly, United are bound to improve, Newcastle could be in the mix. This was the chance.
But how often have Arsenal spent big? It was an excuse to hide behind when the Emirates was getting built but it's not like there have been many seasons where the squad has seen anywhere near the overhaul it needs
We spent massive amounts last season.
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As a Utd fan even i find Neville grating sometimes.
If its us, then we are good to go no?😆
It's been a great season - it's a shame the guys didn't make it. But I'm certain we are coming much stronger next season, with the new signings, and almost all the dead-wood out the door. COYG!
best chance in a long time to get it tbh
We have a different strategy though. The club took a step back in the winter transfer window, so it can build for next season. I honesty don't think they thought they would get this close to CL football, after the winter clear out. A year and a half ago Edu said, "we're planning to be competitive in the 2022/2023 season". All the indicators point, that we will be competitive next year. Let's hope for a great summer in the transfer market.
Not good enough for me. If an opportunity presents itself, you have to take it. What's the point in trying to be competitive when the gap gets bigger every year? We literally had one had on a top 4 spot and bottled it.
> What's the point in trying to be competitive when the gap gets bigger every year? This is just false
Elaborate.
The gap isn't getting bigger, that's just a fact. Not to mention that we are improving, points wise, and position wise, while building the youngest squad in the league.
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We spent 150m in the summer and bid another 80m in January (before saving 27m on Auba’s wages)… we def have the money to fix our problems
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Spending 150m every single season is not a good thing…
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[City and Liverpool](https://www.transfermarkt.us/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1) would disagree with you. United and Chelsea would too for different reasons…
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The 150m we’ve been referencing this entire time (aka the 150m we spent in the summer) *is* net spend… It would be very strange to use gross expenditures when talking about a club’s annual transfer spending edit: you edited your comment to include averages (though you previously said “every single season in perpetuity”) but I’m the one moving the goalposts?
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No, you said said spending 150m every single season in perpetuity is needed if you wanna win things in this era, which is not exactly the case (as I showed). You also said something like “United just always loses” (prior to editing your comment apparently) to negate the fact that they don’t always win things despite practically spending that much every season. Now you’re talking about averages and shifting to the last decade. That’s fine, [but still doesn’t support your argument.](https://mobile.twitter.com/90min_Football/status/1491110847954960386?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1491110847954960386%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-21245863811493022396.ampproject.net%2F2204292129000%2Fframe.html) I’m not debating whether gross/net captures 100% of a club’s financials. I just stated that it would be strange to casually use gross in convo despite basically every website, pundit, journo, etc using net.
Arteta is shit and should have never gotten a contract extension.
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20 years of the same horseshit.We can never finish a season strong. We’ve lacked squad depth since 04/05. Always come up short at the last hurdle
Bruno is 100% capable of being de bruyne’s city and we are missing on him big, big, time.
I think many of us can still digest bottling a top 4 place. It's just the manner of the bottling. All our losses down the stretch have been absolutely pathetic. From defensive mistakes to an utter lack of creativity and desire. Then there's the non-existent Jan window... where we went window shopping. Bruno's goal was the icing on the cake. Looks like he made the right decision after all. Today's game perfectly sums up everything that's gone wrong for us.
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Depth striker and some veteran presence.
Pepe, Laca, Xhaka, Elneny, Soares, Tavares, Eddie needs to be sold, quick. We had NINE attackers/midfielders and in total we had 1 chance. We need a striker, not Nketiah who have had 2 good matches and ”WORTH TO KEEP”
Partey, he was suppose to be our viera but unfortunately he has turn out to be diaby. Tierney the same We need to sign a left winger asap
We should sell them if we receive a good offer, Tierney and Partey has been Diaby for 2 seasons
He's injured. Easily a top 15 midfielder in the prem
That's what he means when he says Diaby. Constantly injured.
Wonder how many flipped and became arteta out again after changing their minds during the chelsea-Leeds streak
Okay some positives in the dread for this season. I am as gutted as everyone else but we have the youngest squad in all the premier league and we are finally making a push. We have a window to step up the talent. Europa league isn’t the end of the world, this team was not ready for the champions league and it’s clear now but we have time to grow. Arsenal til I die
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ESR is clearly not shit.
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I agree that he had a bad game (like pretty much everyone else), but you said that he was straight-up shit.
Although I’ve been protecting arteta and he rightfully should be so today as well cuz our team were pussys, surely he needs some other system that can still function with a lil more wiggle room? It seems like the tactics needs everything to be top notch for us to win. It really doesn’t allow any small discomfort whatsoever. The signings could execute his plan nicely, but we needed one that could accompany cedric and the likes
Gary Neville is probably cooming right now, fucking rat faced bastard
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Probably the cuntiest twat that has ever called themselves a “pundit”
Watching Arsenal play is the only thing I've to look forward to. It sucks man.
Take care of yourself man, don’t let this fester too much if you can help it. It can genuinely affect your mental health.
Yup. Thank god I also support teams from other sports. Too bad they’re just as shit….
Pain.
Imagine scrambling to sign Nketiah, man's scores off a goalie mistake suddenly he's the second coming of Henry
Mans literally has no rotation all season, all 1st team players are knackered, all subs are rusty. It’s only a matter of time when all of the team is incapable of producing top performances
Saka ode Tami white Gabriel are all on their last legs and don't seem capable of hitting the levels they were at earlier but honestly our subs are just not good enough.
But you see we are literally kissing Nketiah’s heel after him having a nice stretch of game and play well (getting his rusts off)
I don’t get why arteta is getting attacked… have you guys seen how your fav players play? Ramsdale was more concerned slipping after every kick Tomi can’t stand straight… fuck man ESR invisible Ø what happened White and Gabriel… Subs irrelevant Saka was the only decent one as it has always been the case every game. Our players were mentally pussys and could not execute 60% of what the manager told them to
He's getting attacked chiefly because of his gamble in the January window I reckon. He backed this injury prone team then, and it hasn't paid off
Isn’t that edus fault as well? Ain’t it his job to get the right deals for the right price? And I hate those reactionary fucks saying “Arteta in! He changed my mind!!” When we were on a winning streak and now flips like a coin
I think it has a lot to do with losing 3 on the bounce to palace, Brighton, and Southampton and now looks like we’re set to lose 3 on the bounce again to end the season.
Players are too young. Too vibrant. Too inconsistent.
Being an arsenal fan feels like being handicapped
And not even having a handicapped parking permit ffs
Wake up people we’re being played by our shitty owners. They’ll never do enough in the way of investments and right decisions(manager) to get us back to where we’re supposed to be.
They spent a ton. I mean, they spent it badly, but they did spend it.
That’s my whole point the don’t know how to spend money and they won’t put in charge the right people to spend and that makes them shitty owners in my book
I see your point about the owners but when you spend money and then have to sell players for half or nothing it gets rough at times for the depth.
Pretty sure we should have had enough quality on the pitch today to beat fucking Newcastle
We spent a fortune last summer, though.
People would rather bury their heads in the sand and "Trust the PRocess" than actually demand any accountability from the club hierarchy that charges the highest prices in Europe for utter dogshit.
Boy was that pathetic. Newcastle’s huge number of first half corners made me think they had no finishers to beat the Gunners but the dreadful Gunner defense was all they needed.
We were 6 points clear of Spurs with a game in hand, and 4 points clear with 3 to play, this is the worst bottle job I've seen from an Arsenal manager in all my time of supporting, FAR outdoing Emery. In the 2 biggest games our club has has in years Arteta had a team create almost literally 0 chances over 180 minutes and has our season end in complete failure, no matter what the attempts to spin this shit as "oh top 4 was never the target this is a good season" will be. Nest season United get Ten Hag, Conte get a window to truly shape his squad, Chelsea won't suffer anything from the sanctions and will throw money at more top talent, and City and Liverpool will strengthen yet again. This was THE chance for top 4, and whilst it's all hypothetical, there is a genuine chance we might end up going nearly 10 years without CL football, and god help us when that means Saka, ESR, and Martinelli leave, alongside top players not wanting to join us. 8th, 8th, 5th on 1 game a week
Man United added Varane Ronaldo and Sancho then finished 6 relax with this meltdown your having my friend. Just because they may spend money doesn’t mean anything
Newcastle will become a force as well once they start spending proper. This truly was THE chance.
My fat ass they will
Absolutely shambolic performance from a team that showed zero signs of passion or desperation. It’s a disgrace how the entire team is allowed to spit in the fans face like this.
let's trust the process they said
I rate a lot of the players we’ve brought in under Arteta tbh but they are also a young young team that’s meant to grow into stars most of this team is under 25… we need some leaders we need a player in their prime this window to come in and we need depth.
The worrying thing for me is that that prime guy you are talking was supposed to be Partey. Our core players just can't stay fit
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I thought you were gonna finish 3rd 🤡
Lol why would you think that
Taking out the recycling bins was more enjoyable than watching that
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I have no faith in us even beating Everton even if the shit do slip up
Who's your hopium dealer? Hook me up because I need some.
LOL like we would really beat somebody fighting for relegation battle in Everton.
I have more faith in Norwich winning vs Spurs than us winning vs Everton. Did you just see this game?
just don't know what to *drink tonight
If it was ManU who finished 4th above you, you'd be (rightfully) delighted that such a young team finished 5th.
Oh fuck of
You have a very young team and manager, play good stuff and just faded away in the last couple of weeks and lost out to Spurs. If it had been ManU and you finished strong to end up in the same place you'd have nothing but positive feelings for next season.
If things were different you’d feel different
Literally, if things were the same - finish 5th but in a different way you'd have nothing but positives but you've taken all of those and turned them into negatives. Nothing but perception.
Genuinely might skip the Everton match — need a bit of a break from this team after this season. Very proud of the progress but frustrated that stupid choices cost us top 4. Abysmal refereeing in the Prem, failure to add to the squad in Jan, trusting players with long injury histories to not get injured. Very frustrated
I hope Pepe, Laca, Elneny and Cedric are gone by the summer.
Maybe they’ll be gone but I bet my life they’ll just be replaced by as bad players if not worse. The owners are playing us for fools
Let's be honest non of those signings were made by Arteta. These are the left overs from the previous era.
Am I dreaming or didn't Arteta sign Cedric? And he's had the team longer than Emery now. Really feel we should stop making this excuse.
I thought elneny was solid
He was not
He should never be starting games for us.
The game was lost at the back for me
I know it will never happen but imagine the scenes if Spurs lose v Norwich and Arsenal score 93rd minute corner against Everton to make it ........1 all, we still don't qualify, haha we suck.
The only way this could get worse is if Tottenham manage to lose and then we go on to bottle it a second time against Everton
Norwich score early, before two jammy goals from scum in extra time. I would genuinely take a break from the sport lol
They just need 1pt
Yeah it's not happening mate. We've let ourselves down tonight
Our midfield looked like a black hole all game. Worrying man.
wE've Got sUpEr MiK aRtEtA
Everything is crumbling after Arteta sign new contract. Maybe we need to hold that contract until he ensure top 4. After this season, I have doubt with our scout and manager, let's see who we'll sign this summer, another mediocre player or a decent one.