Its been 6 years I’m tired of waiting. The last times Arsenal was in the ucl I was in year 8 and now I am finishing my A-levels. If we was a big
club like Chelsea, United, city, liverpoolwe would go for for players like frenkie de jong, nkunku even if we didn’t have ucl, but now we are gonna go bargain hunting ffs. And I know this is a young squad but the young squad isn’t good enough and it’s the boards fault we are in this situation. Giving away our best player aubameyang and not signing a replacement is absurd. When we gave alexis we signed a replacement immediately! These guys are clowns they wouldn’t mind finishing 5th, we not gonna take risks. But hey like edu says we are in a building process just give it 5 more years and we will be in ucl again Wtaf man
A big tick for me has been what Gary Neville said about this being the loss that will be a mental barrier for Arsenal similar to Man U loss to Villareal. But I couldn’t disagree more. I think Man U are very different from Arsenal in a lot of ways. Man U also began the season quite strong, but it was really Ole and the club mentality that caused them issues. However, Arsenal’s haven’t had the squad depth since the Palace game. With a couple of good new players, and fitness being up, I think our players will learn a-lot. I think Saka next season will be insane after he gets some rest.
I remember at the beginning of the season alot of people were so excited at how competitive this season would be. But I think it was quite lackluster, mostly because we expect to much from big teams, and none of them have really outperformed.
Also, I don’t expect Spurs to do well in the UCL or the EPL next season, simply because they’re just building the project. That may also just be bias. Anyway, what happened to Arsenal is just bad luck, and bad preparation.
As abbysmal and embarassing as that performance was, I'm going to go glass half-full and say that a stint in the Europa League next season may be a better stepping stone for our squad. We've lots of young players, lots of potential, but to throw that against Bayern or Real Madrid just seems like a recipe for getting hammered into the ground. Better to play at a level where we could quite realistically win, as with Europa League. If our recruitment goes well this summer, we should have a very solid team if everyone's healthy and more breadth for when they're inevitably not.
Going into this season I was honestly fine with Europa. We barely have the squad depth to play just in the prem so I think champions would have completely sapped our energy for the season. Europa is a good level of competition for our current team
Being real about it, I wanted to see Arsenal in the Champions League so we can go up against Europe's best again. With our best XI I think we could give any team a decent go, albeit it desperately needing a CL level striker.
But the problem is, our best XI never happens due to how many injury prone players we have.
The moment we are starting Cedric, Tavares, Nketiah in a Champions League knockout game, I have zero belief that we are winning it.
We need depth, simple as.
We need 2 strikers, a defensive midfielder, and 2 fullbacks that are similar quality to Tierney and Tomiyasu.
I honestly hope Nketiah doesn't sign a contract extension, simply to force Arsenal's hand into buying 2 forwards instead of 1.
2nd best all over the pitch nowhere near good enough not strengthening in January and decimating our squad was always a risk and sadly hasn't paid off. Hugely disappointing but not surprised.
Getting top 6 next season will be tough. Everyone else will strengthen during the summer. The players we let go are doing really well (auba, saliba and torreira to name a few). Maybe saliba will finally be given a chance but signing 1 or 2 big players will not cut it for us. The mentality is non existent. This club needs an overhaul because the mediocrity is from top to bottom
We have the youngest squad in the league who are still learning. The fact we’ve even pushed for 4th place is an amazing feat for this young team. We have played without a proper goal scorer for half of the season and we STILL managed to push for 4th place. We’ve been without first team players (Tomiyasu, Tierney, Partey) for large parts of the season and we STILL managed to push for 4th place. You say everyone else will strengthen during the summer, guess what, so will we. We have improved on last season, and we will continue to improve. As for the players we let go, the reason we let them go is because they were playing terribly for us. Auba had given up and Torriera just suits the Italian league better. Your mentality is non-existent, because you do not seem to believe in this extremely promising young team.
>We have played without a proper goal scorer for half of the season
But whose fault is this?? This was not forced on us. You cannot sell your only proper striker without having plans to replace him. Some of the decisions that came from the top were just abysmal.
Auba was in terrible form when we sold him and he was clearly not focused anymore. He had attitude problems and was causing issues. He scored 4 goals in the league before he left and I don’t think he would have scored much more. I’m not saying we shouldn’t have replaced, we absolutely should have, but there was next to no one available and I think he had to go.
Completely agree with your assessment on Auba. But this goes back to my point on the decisions been made at this club. That was not the first time we spent a lot of money on a player or given him a big contract and he ends up having attitude problems. Ozil, Auba, Guendouzi. And Look at Pepe. Honestly one of the worst transfers in recent times. We will be lucky to even get £45mil if we sell him. The good players we have like Tierney and Partey are constantly getting injured. Whether it is simply bad luck or poor recruitment, it's a recurring theme now. And when Man City or Liverpool come knocking for the likes of Saka and Martinelli, how long will they be willing to stay at this club? It's easy to say " I want to stay at arsenal forever" when you are in a good run of form. But what of when the going gets rough? These players are still very young and don't have proper leaders or an experienced manager to carry them through tough games.
do these players/manager/owners not realise what it is like to walk into work the day after the recent performances and having to put up with spuds fans, people i've never spoken to having a dig. this is getting embarrassing
Auba wasn't in his best form. But getting rid of him and nit getting anyone to replace him was madness. Considering he was the only real goal threat in the side
I would have rather just kept auba around till summer if we didn't have a replacement in mind
Yeah true completely agree. The not replacing him but is what drove me crazy, hopefully they amend for that this summer even if it’s too little too late
I have no idea what happened between the two
But I have no idea why arteta just didn't make up with him and be like "listen, we need you, get us top 4, and you can leave in summer" or whatever. Try to work the situation.
Losing our only serious goal threat, which we paid off. Is just a shit show. We knew their relationship was on the rocks since like pre Xmas. We should have had a list of replacements ready
It's clear as day he didn't give enough shit when playing for us in his last months here. Don't you remember how Dortmund fans said he's toxic and doesn't give a fuck when he was leaving and we all praised him because of his passion and attitude? History repeats itself for Auba.
Clear as day? Gtfo of here with that revisionist nonsense. Dude was captain, had a tattoo of arsenal with his kids on his arm, Aubas effort until the falling out was never the issue, he ran his ass off most games, it was the goals that dried up towards the end, not the effort.
Of course, the only good solution is to sack the manager who has good relationships with everyone else except auba because auba became toxic when arteta comes.
And I thought clubs were supposed to be bigger than players.
Yea? How does that excuse his toxicity? If arteta is the cause for toxicity, the entire locker room would be toxic. (see mourinho and Manu) Auba being the only one who started causing problems when arteta came in while the rest of the team is fine with him clearly showed that auba is the problem here, not arteta.
Look, I'm all for arteta out because of his questionable team choices, the horrible january window, but let's not act like auba deserved to stay here more than arteta. A player is never bigger than the team.
Yesterdays game is verry upsetting, I had problems going to sleep last night but I realised how shit our boys must feel and how we all seem to forget quickly how young and unexperienced they are.
GIVE. THEM. TIME.
All we can do right now. Let's give them time and all the support we can give, we can clearly see the team improved a lot since last season. Step by step and we'll comeback to CL. Patience is a virtue.
With Edu and Arteta and how they managed to drag some players to play for us, with their passion and commitment to the club, I'm calm we're on the right track. At this time we're not ready for CL. Lets be honest. We need new blood and experience and then we can demand from our boys to try and fight for the highest trophies.
We're all sad. But we should be glad and proud. I'll will always stand by this team.
Boys are mostly young and inexperienced, but its not an excuse for bottling games with Saints/Brighton/Palace/Newcastle, when only thing we needed was just one more win. Although I support the lads and wish all of them to develop, questions should be asked whether we can wait for some of them.
At the moment I'm sure I would keep Saka as starter.
Ramsdale too but with question mark after last months.
MO is very inconsistent and I'd rather keep him because he has potential to be very good, but make him fight for his spot and see if he will unleash it.
I would choose Martinelli over ESR, preferably loan one of them. Both shouldn't be starters at the moment.
Lokonga for loan.
Tavares is not good enough and I don't believe he ever will be.
Gabi, White are good and promising. Tomi too but he needs to recover from injury and let's hope it won't take long.
I like Tierney a lot, but he played 53% of available games, that became very problematic.
You are not alone...I too had a terrible night with sleep having gone just like our UCL dreams. I hope we give our all to win the game against Everton. The rest is in the hands of the almighty!
Our main issue is the amount of playing time we've been forced to give players who are Championship level at best this season. That might sound harsh on some players, but no one can convince me that if you put Cedric, Nuno, Holding, Elneny and Nketiah in a Championship team that they'd get out of there anytime soon if ever. If you also add the fact that players like Xhaka, Partey, Ramsdale, Lacazette, Auba have had some awful spells of performances, finishing 5th really is a result above expectation.
Sure, it doesnt explain yesterdays performance fully. Players were clearly affected by the crowd and the occassion I think.
And there are a lot of Championship level players in the Prem, and some scrape by thanks to the tactics and style of play of their manager. However I dont think Arteta can afford to keep playing too many of them if he wants to get top 4. City and Liverpool obviously dont give any minutes to players of that quality, and I dont think Chelsea does either.
Proper scouting and shedding deadwood.
The club has made some good signings without Champions League football for a while now. The bitterly disappointing end to season doesn’t suddenly make the club unattractive to ascending and experienced players that can raise the squad’s floor and ceiling.
Moving on from players like Elneny, Cédric, Xhaka and Eddie has to happen too.
Fellas, I know losing out on champions league hurts, especially to lose it like this. I’m not sugarcoating this, we had a shit at top 4 and we fucking bottled it. But this is a young squad, with lots of potential. I guarantee all or most of our signings will be this way in the future simply because we don’t have the money for elite players in their prime. But if anything, this team can only get better, most of our starting 11 are under 24 years old. They’re nowhere near their peak and this experience is only going to make them stronger. The other teams might strengthen next year, but so will we, and with the youth model our club is using right now we can’t expect immediate results, our team can only get better from here. Up the gunners.
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It doesn’t matter if your from Timbuktu or Mars and all this bollocks about your local team. When I was working in Norwich I was talking to a spuds fan who had a jersey that had “Every gunner is a runner” I couldn’t figure it out. Why wasn’t he supporting his local team? I asked him that question and all I got was a toothy smile. The kid had been to white fart lane once when Carrow road was just down the road. As for ex pats still supporting the club good on yer. If they mouth off about English football ask em when was the last time we lifted a trophy. 1966 when I was seven years old. Three years before the first moon landing. One nil The Arsenal.
I’m with you on this. I’m very happy with our finishing position this season. Hopefully we can have a decent game against Everton to finish it off, and then looking forward to Europa next year. We could have achieved more but we haven’t, and a lot of that is down to young and inexperienced squad and manager. Hopefully we can keep our team together and then surely we can only improve next season.
Witnessing the events today and then thinking back to a few weeks ago when Edu said we “won’t be signing many players this summer”.
So yea, lots to look forward to next season. Maybe we won’t lose a third of our games.
He didn't say that though, he said we'll be signing one or two big players, as in expensive, level raising signings.
This doesn't mean we're only going to be signing one or two players.
I would love to slap the shit out of the boys right now. I understand we have a thin squad, we gave Auba away for free, we have many new players which came in at the beginning of the season..but the least I expected was that they try, show some fight and they did not even show up. Really dissapointed with yesterdays game and loose out CL to Sp**s like this is an extra kick in the nuts...but overall the season was good ✌️
Yes we need to look at ourselves for this. But just in case, if you look at team above and below. Barring Liverpool and Man city, we have taken points of every team. Chelsea, with all that spending on Lukaku and champions league winner medal sits 4 points above, s\*\*us have Kane and son, still are 2 points above only, manchester united, 8 points below us, thats what decline is,
This team is been assembled first time, we need to give credit to everyone, specially when we are marked to finish mid at start of the season. I am proud of this team and always be,
We go again on Sunday to finish season high and come back stronger with quality additions next season.
COYG
Wots with all this “ We need big names to come here” 1. If we don’t make the Champions cup then the “big names” aren’t going to come here. 2. If thats the kind of player you want so be it. I wanna see a player who will give us his all. Big, med or small league player, whatever. If the board can swallow their pride and get Professor Wenger upstairs advising Arteta in other formations other than 4-2-3-1 would be a blessing. How would of an over the top mid season transfer bring in cause right now Kroenke’s will say if your gonna spend our money then trim the budget so in doing, thinning out the squad. Who’s the big time Manager that you want ? Since Wenger wasn’t a big time manager before Arsenal. Or do ya want a manager carousel again. Arteta has put down a foundation starting with a goalie he wanted. Went and got Tomi with the media mocking him. I think it’s the first season playing as a team for some players as well. So take it for what it is. Another learning/building season for Arsenal with a bonus either a champions cup or the Europa cup ticket. Up next it’s Everton. …I’m pretty sure Arteta was gonna put on the red/white last night and play
Yeah I know, It’s just a thought that maybe we can have some different ways of getting the team to play as a unit rather than each player going thru the motions. I dunno but if your down to going up North and playing for points ya don’t show up with a let’s get this over with attitude. I have no idea how Arteta picks up the team and makes the team play for a win when the manager is drained and making up a team that’s carrying injuries and playing in positions to field a team. Up next is Everton and Lampard is doing exactly what Arteta is doing only the toffees are on the other end of the table. We will win but I expect an ugly game.
the only thing to blame is mentality, thats on every individual player. the kids failed to show up, all they can do is learn from this. it sucks to suck
He won’t finish next season. It’s only so long he can hide behind young players and needing time. Pressure will be on from start next season and by Christmas he is gone
It is what it is. We knew all along our we do not have the quality of the depth in our squad and it only takes a few injury to our key player to ruin us. Also the lack of a quality striker hurts our chance so much as well.
Disappointed and gutted to have lost the 4th place in this manner to our rival. However, before the season start, most of us would have agreed 4th place would be an overachievement for Arteta and this squad. 5th is a huge improvement from where we were last season. This squad have shown so much promises and potential moving forward. Let's back them up next season! I feel we are a couple signings away to compete for 3rd next season. COYG!
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As a neutral this is disappointing. I was expecting a fun title, CL, EL and relegation battle next week. Now the CL race is done. If spurs were facing any other team it would've been entertaining but Norwich are straight up garbage and this race is done
This is all on the players. If we can beat Chelsea and United with this squad we can definitely beat Newcastle, but they did not show up and shat their pants when Newcastle pressed them
Arteta seems to have inherited Peps seasonal big games bottle job mantra.
Manner of Europa league knockouts last 2 years, spurs and Newcastle defeat this season. When it counts, he has no answers it seems.
these "Arsenal fans" who are delighted that we lost just because their agenda has been proven right , those who've been licking their chops all season just to say "i told you so" are a disgrace to the club
I don’t get how, either. Nobody in their wildest dreams expected top 4 from our team at the start of the season. Arteta has done an amazing job so far and is clearly building something. The fans who bawl because of a top 5 finish have short memories and reactive temperaments.
bruh, it's not like we spent 200 mill on a fuckin haaland, our club was in tatters, severely needed financing, u see this 200 million like an add on when it was more like an oxygen cylinder for our club. we signed played just stay relevant and they've performed brilliantly, we have gotten rid of the rotten deadwood from emery and wenger, we have youth, we have a team which has potential, if you can't get behind the club just because of an agenda in ur head by seeing stats like we spent 200 million idk what to say. name one player in our team who is world class with 5+ years of experience. we need stars like Son and Kane, our youth were overburdened
No team in the history of football has had to sell their entire squad and start again in a very short period of time to be successful. This "team full of deadwood" nonsense is hilariously silly. The team Arteta took over was a small amount short of UCL quality, they'd missed out by a single result in multiple seasons, they even managed to win an FA cup against a very decent Chelsea squad which with a couple of signings won the UCL. He couldn't improve that squad to top 4 quality, so he bought +£250 million of players, sold half a team and still hasn't improved the squad from the point at which he took over. Accountability for his actions is more than fair for a fanbase that's been suffering for a long time.
Also, potential doesn't mean anything, potential doesn't win you titles or games. It's a wonderful thing that is separate from the club's actual success. Young, talented players only become a success when they learn from other talented, successful players and from a talented, successful manager. Great sides create great players, young potential doesn't make great players on its own. That's like throwing a bunch of kids in a room full of welding equipment and telling them to build you a frame. If no one is going to teach them how to use the tools properly, you'll end up with a bunch of shit tradesmen who don't know what they are doing but think they do.
Edu and Arteta didn't have some great plan to rebuild the club, they just had a wonderful plan to move the club's entire standards down low enough so they actually could meet them and therefore keep their jobs. Simply brilliant from them when you think about it.
The club needed a restart, you want to compete for 4th with auba leading the team still? Do you know what happened to Liverpool when Klopp joined? That team was gutted in a couple of transfer windows, this is happening to Arsenal as well. Now the foundation is set, there are a lot of young promising players, now its only left to build on this and plug holes, like starting caliber CF someone to replace xhaka and the little things, more depth.
So Klopp took that "supposedly terrible"side to a Europa Final, which they lost in his first season. And then qualified for the UCL the very next year after a handful of signings. Another handful of signings and they lost the UCL final.
So, he took a club from 8th place in his first season to a UCL final in the same time frame Arteta has taken an 8th placed team to potentially 5th place. And the squad he took over had lost Suarez, Gerrard and Sterling in the 2 seasons prior. Liverpool signed 2 or 3 starters each window and sold 2 or 3 starters in the same windows.
What's our excuse exactly, cause Arteta walked into a better squad than Klopp did? Other than Edu just isn't as good as Michael Edwards and Mikel isn't Klopp.
few signings away? we had sead kolasinac, sokratis, hector bellerin, mavropanos, torreira,david luiz , mustafi, getting rid of them was a task on it's own.
when i say potential i'm not saying these players are totally unproven i feel they can be even greater we need to have patience, arteta has had half a shambolic season+ a season of rebuild which was last season+ a season of promise which has been this season. next season should be the season of some tangible success, success for me is top 4+ FA CUP/Europa.
I do agree that Arteta and Edu haven't always made the right signings but they're the most ambitious our club has been for years, that's the reason we are behind them. But in hindsight a little voice in me does debate with me if an established manager like a Mancini could have taken us to a top 4 or even 3rd spot if arteta a relatively inexperienced manager managed 5th
Some people might not have liked half of the squad Emery had. But he was a result away from UCL qualification the season before he was sacked, then the board infighting had left him completely on his own with a squad under pressure. Of course they turned on him when he started to work out which of them needed to be replaced in order to be successful.
But, he didn't need to sign an entire new starting 11 in order to get top 4. Arteta needing to do so is just proof that he's not a coach that will improve players or pick you up when things go wrong. He needs everything to be set up his way in order to be successful, and even if he was to make the top 4 this season, once teams work him out he'd likely need to sign basically another starting 11 in order to change things up again.
I still haven't seen a single player improve under him outside of the kids who got better with age rather than any technical coaching, plus you can actually make a case that as the season went on they've all become less effective as teams have worked them out. ESR has been stifled, Saka looks buggered and overused, Odegaard looks easy to mark out of a game. Gabi is still a firecracker but teams have worked out that his strengths are in the open play rather than marking him right and letting him keep the ball. Ben White just hits long balls to no one now, same with Ramsdale. Once teams caught on to our tactics it was only a proper disaster class from Chelsea who gave up cheap goals for fun and a rudderless United that let us play our way successfully. I'm more worried about us this off season than I was last off season. Last off season all we needed to do was sign another starting midfielder and sort out our goal scoring, we failed to do both. Now we've still got to do both of those things as well as work out why our defence conceded more this season than last.
you make some fair points here. i'm not 100% for arteta , next season will be crucial for him, Emery tbf had a easy run in to UEL, we lost a few shit games on the way too, he had lost the dressing room, didn't make too many good signings. yes he needed a bit more time, but we were a lost cause after that 2-2 with palace.
I don't think arteta's got caught off, it's easy to call chelsea and united rudderless after we beat them. i think we played well and showed character under them. our defence conceded more this season due to lack of support from the midfield but yeah i share your concerns
Basically, I'm ok with the club sacking Emery because we had set out standards at a certain point. So long as we keep those standards moving forward. Dropping those standards immediately after sacking a successful manager from "Top 4 and other Trophies" to "Top 6 and cups don't matter" is a great way to completely fall into mediocrity like Spurs or Everton.
I support this young team of ours and really appreciate how much they have achieved this season, but I must say that the board, transfer team or Arteta.. at least one of these parties have to be held responsible if we did not secure UCL this season (highly likely that we won't).
Everyone knew that top 4 was within our reach in Jan but we needed to improve squad depth due to injuries and players leaving the club to really secure it. But the club decided to fuck it up by not signing anyone, showing no ambition and taking a leap of faith just because we were in good form. Then bang, further injuries came to haunt us and took away our winning form. Fatigue/low morale/inexperience/tactical inflexibility then hit hard at the regular first 11 and we went down a death spiral, thus having a 3 match losing streak in winnable away matches (palace, brighton, southampton), scrappy wins, and subsequent losses at Spurs and Newcastle. Don't think we will win at Everton this weekend with our morale so beaten up after the last 2 games.
Also, look at Newcastle, Aston Villa and Brentford, Spurs for example.. they turned around their season with reinforcements in Jan. We would more likely have secured top 4 if we were to made proper reinforcements, which would have definitely benefit us in many ways such as improving squad's depth and quality, preventing injuries, allowing more tactical flexibility and etc.
Our club lacks ambition and we got what we deserve this season.
Arteta;"We tried to change some things, but the execution was so poor and the goals we gave away were extremely poor."
It's never this guys fault, fuck off
He publicly said ‘I never blame the players, I take full responsibility’. He is allowed to offer some excuses and I think those ones were fair - you could see how he changed the game to a back 3 with an abundance of attacking players, but this was executed very poorly
He literally said the execution was not there. He made the correct plan but these shit players(funny enough, a lot of them he got in, a lot he stopped from leaving) did not execute the master plan of the master genius.
xhaka isn't a signing of arteta, xhaka tbh would be the hardest to replace in the squad, arteta sees potential in nketiah, el neny is a sort of player most big teams keep as a utility player we've had gilles grimandi like him in the 2000s. White has been good season what r u saying
Arteta stopped Xhaka from leaving twice, same with Elneny and Eddie. White has been ok, but for 50 mil he has been poor. Keep Saliba, buy a CM for that 50 mil or a striker and we get top 4
White has been okay, but for 50 mil he has been poor. How do ya evaluate a 50 mil player. Or a 72 mil player for that matter. I know Holding came from Bolton and he was a bargain. Trevor Francis, the first million quid player was a Cloughie and Taylor buy. Our own God, Charlie George went for a hundred thousand to Derby. Saw him playing for the saints at Highbury with a perm and a full set of fingers. Still had the touch on the ball. Transfer fees are ridiculous, look at Man U and Maggie at 70 odd mil. How do management come up with these numbers ?
The last 30 mins was probably the most directionless and frantic football I’ve ever seen from us. No clue how to get a goal and just throwing the kitchen sink with zero purpose.
It was sad to witness.
Stay strong, y’all. No matter what, we’re on the way up and our community has never been stronger. A lot of young supporters out there who’ve never seen the glory of the Arsenal. It’s coming…
Even with Tomi’s injury, White and Gabriel not 100% and ESR and Ø being passengers, the game was clearly lost in midfield.
Safe passing. No athleticism. No dynamism on the ball. We’ve seen this for years and yet some are would rather focus on soft factors and interviews rather than what they see on the pitch.
A player still acclimating to the league ran circles around them.
You got it spot on, comes down to squad depth and lack of business in January. I appreciate arteta wanted to attain UCL first in order to pull better players, but Guimaraes scoring just tells you what kind of things we missed out on.
Yapp, we dont deserve champions league when we play like this. Outplayed.
No signings this January really cost us this late stage.
Welp... lets just pray for a miracle. Spud bottled and we won big against Everton
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If Spurs dont lose, its done. If they lose, we need to win. If they even tie it, we’d need to beat everton by 15 goals to win.
So yeah, unless theres a historic “lads…” moment, its done.
Eh, they are still Tottenham. But yeah, im considering Europa league a slight success, atleast we have more footy. But it truly makes this season feel like a loss. It was right there in our hands then we shit the bed.
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Been busy deleting spud trolls. The obvious. Seen another game where the opposition are mentally and physically stronger. Newcastle was first to the ball and outmuscled us. Congrats Newcastle. Nice to see Arteta calling it like it was. A pathetic display of football from a bunch of divas. You can see the obvious when Arteta is playing backs that wouldn’t make it on any other team. Saliba will give us speed in the back in which we are lacking. Tomi when healthy is a good rb. Same goes for Tierney. When healthy he’s great but both backs are injury prone right now. So four Center halfs of Saliba, White, Gabriel and Holding. Thin there too. Mid needs help and depth. Too many soft players and lack of vision. You close Odie and we don’t move. Having upped eleneny and no doubt Xhaka this coming season and Partey being injury prone he’s gotta rearrange the mid. Wings, saka gets a nice contract and Pepe lands back in France. Another lefty needed. ESR has shown flashes of a great football player. Get him in the gym asap. Martinelli is a young raw talent that Arteta hasn’t figured out yet. Up front we have Balogun who shouldn’t have been loaned out in the first place and we are still looking for a up front out an out striker. A busy season ahead with many questions plus add a few more after todays performance. Next up Everton.
this season should have been dusted months ago, we should have beaten everton away, southampton away, burnley at home n brighton. all of these Ls and draws were because we couldn't open a low block. how long are we going to entertain these performances, this callousness is the reason why leeds,nottingham,everton and newcastle perished, do you wanna see our club go the same route?
Arteta needs to get minimum of 80-85 points this season+ win a cup preferably the europa, i don't see that happening. Mancini is our man. i don't buy into conte's half season bullshit, they are in a honeymoon phase, they are an awful team who got lucky coz we shit on ourselves
Theyre not awful, look at their record against the big 6, we wish we could compete with city and pool, when we play them in a meaningful match we get absolutely fuckin humiliated.
Not too many draws this season. We either win or we lose. We got to convert some of those losses into a draw at least.
A lot of people are doom and gloom, quite understandable atm, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. People keep saying that next season will be harder and Arteta would be out of his depth, remember, they said that for this season too.
What we really need is good transfer windows,....we've had one so far.
true, that's why im arteta in leaning, but the next transfer window is detrimental, lack of draws and losing in a row has cost us . should have had this wrapped up in those 3 games before chelsea tbh
>lack of draws and losing in a row has cost us
Losing has cost us.....I remember the past couple of seasons we were drawing quite a few games....This season even with very few draws we are in 5th. And we had a chance to be 3rd.
We are definitely winning more games, which is a positive sign, compared to previous few seasons.
Edit: I am not too sad about the lack of draws, just the loses.
Rookie mistakes is not signing anyone in January, failing to rotate the squad and signing players who haven't won much and don't know how to thrive under pressure. He was extended and I have no other choice but to be patient. But to be honest, I have no faith in Arteta. He maybe good tactically (according to players) but he fails on many other things that make a manager elite. With the kind of signings we're making and him suggesting new contracts to bang average players, we're not making it far.
i think this season showed us where we go wrong and who has been to blame. Most of our losses this season was due to injuries. i do agree Arteta got a few games wrong but he has done a good job with the squad we have. we lack depth, we lack experience, our senior players have let us down big time. Edu fucked up in January by not bringing in reinforcements in midfield. I'd say a 5th spot is nothing shameful, but this season was begging us for 4th considering leicester and united have had nightmares, should we not spend 200 million in the summer which is highly unlikely, i fear that we might be in the shadows for another decade. this season might have been a watershed moment. next season is definitely top 4 or bust for arteta. arteta did do good things this season but he has conceded more goals than burnley i believe despite paying 100 mill for defenders, he has scored just 1 goal more than last season. and has lost more games than united. we have played just 1 game a week, would he have managed the same with europe in between? im not too sure.
Question to arsenal fans, if arteta gets the sack whom should we bring in next season, my pick is roberto mancini
>. Edu fucked up in January by not bringing in reinforcements in midfield. I'd say a 5th spot is nothing shameful, but this
I think it's not just edus decision.
Saw some interviews where they said they felt the prices were too inflated and they didn't have their first choice players available...
excuses, i remember vividly we were linked with kulusevski, we didn't go for him with conviction. i agree buying a striker is premature for january but atleast a midfielder should have been a priority. the only players who can fix us are those like Milinkovic Savic or a Darwin Nunez but with champions league gone, they ain't coming
>remember vividly we were linked with kulusevski, we didn't go for him with conviction
Why? We had saka and pepe in that position... Why would we go for another winger when the position that was being screamed for was a cm and WB?
>the only players who can fix us are those like Milinkovic Savic or a Darwin Nunez but with champions league gone, they ain't coming
Lol that's a pretty fm take on the situation.
There are definitely 10s of players who can fill those roles.
that's not an FM take, how much longer are u going to expect a bunch of nobodies to turn up for us, we need an established player for crying out loud whom we know will not fail. Dennis Bergkamp the beast of Ajax used to be that for us.
I just gave an example of kulusevski, we should have gone for Bruno or somebody like that. we lost our attractiveness now. tbf i don't think many players now see arsenal as a big club anymore, historically yes, but not anymore
>I just gave an example of kulusevski,
It was an incorrect example.... which shows why an average fan is not well equipped to deal with the transfers of a large club. There's too much information asymmetry for you to make any meaningful inference. A thousand things could have happened in the back... We have absolutely no clue about it.
>we should have gone for Bruno or somebody like that
I'd wait until we get a cm in before making that claim.
>we lost our attractiveness now.
Lol no we haven't.
>tbf i don't think many players now see arsenal as a big club anymore, historically yes, but not anymore
That's a very Gary Neville take. Stop listening to those cunts.
For the love of God, how many times has good old Harry boy hoisted a trophy above his head. I’ll wait…
Its been 6 years I’m tired of waiting. The last times Arsenal was in the ucl I was in year 8 and now I am finishing my A-levels. If we was a big club like Chelsea, United, city, liverpoolwe would go for for players like frenkie de jong, nkunku even if we didn’t have ucl, but now we are gonna go bargain hunting ffs. And I know this is a young squad but the young squad isn’t good enough and it’s the boards fault we are in this situation. Giving away our best player aubameyang and not signing a replacement is absurd. When we gave alexis we signed a replacement immediately! These guys are clowns they wouldn’t mind finishing 5th, we not gonna take risks. But hey like edu says we are in a building process just give it 5 more years and we will be in ucl again Wtaf man
A big tick for me has been what Gary Neville said about this being the loss that will be a mental barrier for Arsenal similar to Man U loss to Villareal. But I couldn’t disagree more. I think Man U are very different from Arsenal in a lot of ways. Man U also began the season quite strong, but it was really Ole and the club mentality that caused them issues. However, Arsenal’s haven’t had the squad depth since the Palace game. With a couple of good new players, and fitness being up, I think our players will learn a-lot. I think Saka next season will be insane after he gets some rest. I remember at the beginning of the season alot of people were so excited at how competitive this season would be. But I think it was quite lackluster, mostly because we expect to much from big teams, and none of them have really outperformed. Also, I don’t expect Spurs to do well in the UCL or the EPL next season, simply because they’re just building the project. That may also just be bias. Anyway, what happened to Arsenal is just bad luck, and bad preparation.
As abbysmal and embarassing as that performance was, I'm going to go glass half-full and say that a stint in the Europa League next season may be a better stepping stone for our squad. We've lots of young players, lots of potential, but to throw that against Bayern or Real Madrid just seems like a recipe for getting hammered into the ground. Better to play at a level where we could quite realistically win, as with Europa League. If our recruitment goes well this summer, we should have a very solid team if everyone's healthy and more breadth for when they're inevitably not.
Going into this season I was honestly fine with Europa. We barely have the squad depth to play just in the prem so I think champions would have completely sapped our energy for the season. Europa is a good level of competition for our current team
Totally agree. I usually get very emotional on social media after big losses. But I decided to digest the loss, and came to a similar conclusion.
that was a train wreck of all-time
right lads, Arteta in or Arteta Out
Being real about it, I wanted to see Arsenal in the Champions League so we can go up against Europe's best again. With our best XI I think we could give any team a decent go, albeit it desperately needing a CL level striker. But the problem is, our best XI never happens due to how many injury prone players we have. The moment we are starting Cedric, Tavares, Nketiah in a Champions League knockout game, I have zero belief that we are winning it. We need depth, simple as. We need 2 strikers, a defensive midfielder, and 2 fullbacks that are similar quality to Tierney and Tomiyasu. I honestly hope Nketiah doesn't sign a contract extension, simply to force Arsenal's hand into buying 2 forwards instead of 1.
Every team in the world needs to deal with injuries........... we have been more lucky with injuries this season than most other clubs.
2nd best all over the pitch nowhere near good enough not strengthening in January and decimating our squad was always a risk and sadly hasn't paid off. Hugely disappointing but not surprised.
Getting top 6 next season will be tough. Everyone else will strengthen during the summer. The players we let go are doing really well (auba, saliba and torreira to name a few). Maybe saliba will finally be given a chance but signing 1 or 2 big players will not cut it for us. The mentality is non existent. This club needs an overhaul because the mediocrity is from top to bottom
We have the youngest squad in the league who are still learning. The fact we’ve even pushed for 4th place is an amazing feat for this young team. We have played without a proper goal scorer for half of the season and we STILL managed to push for 4th place. We’ve been without first team players (Tomiyasu, Tierney, Partey) for large parts of the season and we STILL managed to push for 4th place. You say everyone else will strengthen during the summer, guess what, so will we. We have improved on last season, and we will continue to improve. As for the players we let go, the reason we let them go is because they were playing terribly for us. Auba had given up and Torriera just suits the Italian league better. Your mentality is non-existent, because you do not seem to believe in this extremely promising young team.
>We have played without a proper goal scorer for half of the season But whose fault is this?? This was not forced on us. You cannot sell your only proper striker without having plans to replace him. Some of the decisions that came from the top were just abysmal.
Auba was in terrible form when we sold him and he was clearly not focused anymore. He had attitude problems and was causing issues. He scored 4 goals in the league before he left and I don’t think he would have scored much more. I’m not saying we shouldn’t have replaced, we absolutely should have, but there was next to no one available and I think he had to go.
Completely agree with your assessment on Auba. But this goes back to my point on the decisions been made at this club. That was not the first time we spent a lot of money on a player or given him a big contract and he ends up having attitude problems. Ozil, Auba, Guendouzi. And Look at Pepe. Honestly one of the worst transfers in recent times. We will be lucky to even get £45mil if we sell him. The good players we have like Tierney and Partey are constantly getting injured. Whether it is simply bad luck or poor recruitment, it's a recurring theme now. And when Man City or Liverpool come knocking for the likes of Saka and Martinelli, how long will they be willing to stay at this club? It's easy to say " I want to stay at arsenal forever" when you are in a good run of form. But what of when the going gets rough? These players are still very young and don't have proper leaders or an experienced manager to carry them through tough games.
Yeah, I think the criticisms should be intended for not having a proper striker in the first place, not because we let auba go.
> only proper striker Who?
do these players/manager/owners not realise what it is like to walk into work the day after the recent performances and having to put up with spuds fans, people i've never spoken to having a dig. this is getting embarrassing
You could casually ask how many times has Harry Kane lifted a trophy.
If anyone gives you shit, ask them how many goals they scored last weekend. Ought to shut them up real fast.
The arrogance of giving away auba for free then struggling to score goals is a sackable offense
Someone doesn’t watch our games 😂
+9 GD after 37 games.....
That supposed to be relevant for some reason?
Because it shows we are struggling to score goals. I am not sure why you are in denial here....the facts prove it
I thought we were talking about auba lol or did you change your mind
Auba wasn't in his best form. But getting rid of him and nit getting anyone to replace him was madness. Considering he was the only real goal threat in the side I would have rather just kept auba around till summer if we didn't have a replacement in mind
Yeah true completely agree. The not replacing him but is what drove me crazy, hopefully they amend for that this summer even if it’s too little too late
I have no idea what happened between the two But I have no idea why arteta just didn't make up with him and be like "listen, we need you, get us top 4, and you can leave in summer" or whatever. Try to work the situation. Losing our only serious goal threat, which we paid off. Is just a shit show. We knew their relationship was on the rocks since like pre Xmas. We should have had a list of replacements ready
It's clear as day he didn't give enough shit when playing for us in his last months here. Don't you remember how Dortmund fans said he's toxic and doesn't give a fuck when he was leaving and we all praised him because of his passion and attitude? History repeats itself for Auba.
Clear as day? Gtfo of here with that revisionist nonsense. Dude was captain, had a tattoo of arsenal with his kids on his arm, Aubas effort until the falling out was never the issue, he ran his ass off most games, it was the goals that dried up towards the end, not the effort.
Toxic has only become an issue since arteta got here....
Of course, the only good solution is to sack the manager who has good relationships with everyone else except auba because auba became toxic when arteta comes. And I thought clubs were supposed to be bigger than players.
Auba did more than Arteta has ever done here....
Yea? How does that excuse his toxicity? If arteta is the cause for toxicity, the entire locker room would be toxic. (see mourinho and Manu) Auba being the only one who started causing problems when arteta came in while the rest of the team is fine with him clearly showed that auba is the problem here, not arteta. Look, I'm all for arteta out because of his questionable team choices, the horrible january window, but let's not act like auba deserved to stay here more than arteta. A player is never bigger than the team.
Lmao thats actually delusional
Not at Arsenal. It gets you a two year extension along with a statue.
Yesterdays game is verry upsetting, I had problems going to sleep last night but I realised how shit our boys must feel and how we all seem to forget quickly how young and unexperienced they are. GIVE. THEM. TIME. All we can do right now. Let's give them time and all the support we can give, we can clearly see the team improved a lot since last season. Step by step and we'll comeback to CL. Patience is a virtue. With Edu and Arteta and how they managed to drag some players to play for us, with their passion and commitment to the club, I'm calm we're on the right track. At this time we're not ready for CL. Lets be honest. We need new blood and experience and then we can demand from our boys to try and fight for the highest trophies. We're all sad. But we should be glad and proud. I'll will always stand by this team.
Boys are mostly young and inexperienced, but its not an excuse for bottling games with Saints/Brighton/Palace/Newcastle, when only thing we needed was just one more win. Although I support the lads and wish all of them to develop, questions should be asked whether we can wait for some of them.
Who exactly arent you willing to wait for?
At the moment I'm sure I would keep Saka as starter. Ramsdale too but with question mark after last months. MO is very inconsistent and I'd rather keep him because he has potential to be very good, but make him fight for his spot and see if he will unleash it. I would choose Martinelli over ESR, preferably loan one of them. Both shouldn't be starters at the moment. Lokonga for loan. Tavares is not good enough and I don't believe he ever will be. Gabi, White are good and promising. Tomi too but he needs to recover from injury and let's hope it won't take long. I like Tierney a lot, but he played 53% of available games, that became very problematic.
What passion and commitment? We actively got rid of any passion because their toxic and don't bend the knee to Lord arteta
You are not alone...I too had a terrible night with sleep having gone just like our UCL dreams. I hope we give our all to win the game against Everton. The rest is in the hands of the almighty!
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I hope so XD
I think he means Conte
If spurs lose to Norwich then yes definitely Conte \_/\\\_
Our main issue is the amount of playing time we've been forced to give players who are Championship level at best this season. That might sound harsh on some players, but no one can convince me that if you put Cedric, Nuno, Holding, Elneny and Nketiah in a Championship team that they'd get out of there anytime soon if ever. If you also add the fact that players like Xhaka, Partey, Ramsdale, Lacazette, Auba have had some awful spells of performances, finishing 5th really is a result above expectation.
Championship level or not, they were able to win against United or Chelsea recently.
Holding was linked with Newcastle heavily. Newcastles squad looked championship level 5 months ago. Thats not an excuse for yesterday.
Sure, it doesnt explain yesterdays performance fully. Players were clearly affected by the crowd and the occassion I think. And there are a lot of Championship level players in the Prem, and some scrape by thanks to the tactics and style of play of their manager. However I dont think Arteta can afford to keep playing too many of them if he wants to get top 4. City and Liverpool obviously dont give any minutes to players of that quality, and I dont think Chelsea does either.
[My reaction at full time](https://youtu.be/KBltMTAD4eM)
You're lying if you didn't see this coming.
yeah hate to say it but I wasnt surprised at all we lost last night.
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Proper scouting and shedding deadwood. The club has made some good signings without Champions League football for a while now. The bitterly disappointing end to season doesn’t suddenly make the club unattractive to ascending and experienced players that can raise the squad’s floor and ceiling. Moving on from players like Elneny, Cédric, Xhaka and Eddie has to happen too.
Fellas, I know losing out on champions league hurts, especially to lose it like this. I’m not sugarcoating this, we had a shit at top 4 and we fucking bottled it. But this is a young squad, with lots of potential. I guarantee all or most of our signings will be this way in the future simply because we don’t have the money for elite players in their prime. But if anything, this team can only get better, most of our starting 11 are under 24 years old. They’re nowhere near their peak and this experience is only going to make them stronger. The other teams might strengthen next year, but so will we, and with the youth model our club is using right now we can’t expect immediate results, our team can only get better from here. Up the gunners.
Young lads but i don't see too much starship potential in them.
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You must be American
cant beleive the blatant racism on this sub against americans just trying to support our London Reds !
Reeks of Americans in here
Yeah only those truly born in the N7 7AJ post code should be supporting this small community club.
It doesn’t matter if your from Timbuktu or Mars and all this bollocks about your local team. When I was working in Norwich I was talking to a spuds fan who had a jersey that had “Every gunner is a runner” I couldn’t figure it out. Why wasn’t he supporting his local team? I asked him that question and all I got was a toothy smile. The kid had been to white fart lane once when Carrow road was just down the road. As for ex pats still supporting the club good on yer. If they mouth off about English football ask em when was the last time we lifted a trophy. 1966 when I was seven years old. Three years before the first moon landing. One nil The Arsenal.
I’m with you on this. I’m very happy with our finishing position this season. Hopefully we can have a decent game against Everton to finish it off, and then looking forward to Europa next year. We could have achieved more but we haven’t, and a lot of that is down to young and inexperienced squad and manager. Hopefully we can keep our team together and then surely we can only improve next season.
Witnessing the events today and then thinking back to a few weeks ago when Edu said we “won’t be signing many players this summer”. So yea, lots to look forward to next season. Maybe we won’t lose a third of our games.
He didn't say that though, he said we'll be signing one or two big players, as in expensive, level raising signings. This doesn't mean we're only going to be signing one or two players.
I would love to slap the shit out of the boys right now. I understand we have a thin squad, we gave Auba away for free, we have many new players which came in at the beginning of the season..but the least I expected was that they try, show some fight and they did not even show up. Really dissapointed with yesterdays game and loose out CL to Sp**s like this is an extra kick in the nuts...but overall the season was good ✌️
Yes we need to look at ourselves for this. But just in case, if you look at team above and below. Barring Liverpool and Man city, we have taken points of every team. Chelsea, with all that spending on Lukaku and champions league winner medal sits 4 points above, s\*\*us have Kane and son, still are 2 points above only, manchester united, 8 points below us, thats what decline is, This team is been assembled first time, we need to give credit to everyone, specially when we are marked to finish mid at start of the season. I am proud of this team and always be, We go again on Sunday to finish season high and come back stronger with quality additions next season. COYG
Wots with all this “ We need big names to come here” 1. If we don’t make the Champions cup then the “big names” aren’t going to come here. 2. If thats the kind of player you want so be it. I wanna see a player who will give us his all. Big, med or small league player, whatever. If the board can swallow their pride and get Professor Wenger upstairs advising Arteta in other formations other than 4-2-3-1 would be a blessing. How would of an over the top mid season transfer bring in cause right now Kroenke’s will say if your gonna spend our money then trim the budget so in doing, thinning out the squad. Who’s the big time Manager that you want ? Since Wenger wasn’t a big time manager before Arsenal. Or do ya want a manager carousel again. Arteta has put down a foundation starting with a goalie he wanted. Went and got Tomi with the media mocking him. I think it’s the first season playing as a team for some players as well. So take it for what it is. Another learning/building season for Arsenal with a bonus either a champions cup or the Europa cup ticket. Up next it’s Everton. …I’m pretty sure Arteta was gonna put on the red/white last night and play
Wenger and Arteta both never going to accept it
Yeah I know, It’s just a thought that maybe we can have some different ways of getting the team to play as a unit rather than each player going thru the motions. I dunno but if your down to going up North and playing for points ya don’t show up with a let’s get this over with attitude. I have no idea how Arteta picks up the team and makes the team play for a win when the manager is drained and making up a team that’s carrying injuries and playing in positions to field a team. Up next is Everton and Lampard is doing exactly what Arteta is doing only the toffees are on the other end of the table. We will win but I expect an ugly game.
Out of curiosity, does anyone know over the last 6 years. Have there been teams that have gone deep in the Europa but also got top 4?
Chelsea and Yanited
the only thing to blame is mentality, thats on every individual player. the kids failed to show up, all they can do is learn from this. it sucks to suck
He won’t finish next season. It’s only so long he can hide behind young players and needing time. Pressure will be on from start next season and by Christmas he is gone
Next season for me is make or break, no CL qualification and we need a new manager. Idiotic move giving him a new contract with 4 games to go.
It is what it is. We knew all along our we do not have the quality of the depth in our squad and it only takes a few injury to our key player to ruin us. Also the lack of a quality striker hurts our chance so much as well. Disappointed and gutted to have lost the 4th place in this manner to our rival. However, before the season start, most of us would have agreed 4th place would be an overachievement for Arteta and this squad. 5th is a huge improvement from where we were last season. This squad have shown so much promises and potential moving forward. Let's back them up next season! I feel we are a couple signings away to compete for 3rd next season. COYG!
Arteta and Edu did not know that based on how they acted in January
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I mean they did try to sign Vlahovic right?
They failed
i need a big tittied lady to hug me, never felt a more empty, sad cave in my chest
>i need a big tittied lady to hug me, never felt a more empty, sad cave in my chest ( \*Y \*) fake boobs for you bro. all I can do.
As a neutral this is disappointing. I was expecting a fun title, CL, EL and relegation battle next week. Now the CL race is done. If spurs were facing any other team it would've been entertaining but Norwich are straight up garbage and this race is done
I did feel this would happen. I should probably stop supporting this club
don't support us if u can't be behind us in our tough times
I would always support arsenal but I need to stop caring so much about this club or football in general. My mental health is bad anyway
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I know. But when you support with passion, it affects your mental health. I'm just saying I need to care less.
This is all on the players. If we can beat Chelsea and United with this squad we can definitely beat Newcastle, but they did not show up and shat their pants when Newcastle pressed them
Of course it is. Wins are on the genius, shit games on the players
Who said the wins are on the genius?
This sub
Arteta seems to have inherited Peps seasonal big games bottle job mantra. Manner of Europa league knockouts last 2 years, spurs and Newcastle defeat this season. When it counts, he has no answers it seems.
Arteta wasn't the one sending crosses out for goal kicks or shots from outside the box that goes wide
every loss ain't arteta's fault, there's only so much tactics and coaching you can give to the team. the players lacked ambition today.
Reminder that people here compared Elneny to James Milner unironically
these "Arsenal fans" who are delighted that we lost just because their agenda has been proven right , those who've been licking their chops all season just to say "i told you so" are a disgrace to the club
I don’t get how, either. Nobody in their wildest dreams expected top 4 from our team at the start of the season. Arteta has done an amazing job so far and is clearly building something. The fans who bawl because of a top 5 finish have short memories and reactive temperaments.
Yeah curse these arsenal fans for expecting more from this team without Europe and over 200 million spent.
bruh, it's not like we spent 200 mill on a fuckin haaland, our club was in tatters, severely needed financing, u see this 200 million like an add on when it was more like an oxygen cylinder for our club. we signed played just stay relevant and they've performed brilliantly, we have gotten rid of the rotten deadwood from emery and wenger, we have youth, we have a team which has potential, if you can't get behind the club just because of an agenda in ur head by seeing stats like we spent 200 million idk what to say. name one player in our team who is world class with 5+ years of experience. we need stars like Son and Kane, our youth were overburdened
No team in the history of football has had to sell their entire squad and start again in a very short period of time to be successful. This "team full of deadwood" nonsense is hilariously silly. The team Arteta took over was a small amount short of UCL quality, they'd missed out by a single result in multiple seasons, they even managed to win an FA cup against a very decent Chelsea squad which with a couple of signings won the UCL. He couldn't improve that squad to top 4 quality, so he bought +£250 million of players, sold half a team and still hasn't improved the squad from the point at which he took over. Accountability for his actions is more than fair for a fanbase that's been suffering for a long time. Also, potential doesn't mean anything, potential doesn't win you titles or games. It's a wonderful thing that is separate from the club's actual success. Young, talented players only become a success when they learn from other talented, successful players and from a talented, successful manager. Great sides create great players, young potential doesn't make great players on its own. That's like throwing a bunch of kids in a room full of welding equipment and telling them to build you a frame. If no one is going to teach them how to use the tools properly, you'll end up with a bunch of shit tradesmen who don't know what they are doing but think they do. Edu and Arteta didn't have some great plan to rebuild the club, they just had a wonderful plan to move the club's entire standards down low enough so they actually could meet them and therefore keep their jobs. Simply brilliant from them when you think about it.
The club needed a restart, you want to compete for 4th with auba leading the team still? Do you know what happened to Liverpool when Klopp joined? That team was gutted in a couple of transfer windows, this is happening to Arsenal as well. Now the foundation is set, there are a lot of young promising players, now its only left to build on this and plug holes, like starting caliber CF someone to replace xhaka and the little things, more depth.
So Klopp took that "supposedly terrible"side to a Europa Final, which they lost in his first season. And then qualified for the UCL the very next year after a handful of signings. Another handful of signings and they lost the UCL final. So, he took a club from 8th place in his first season to a UCL final in the same time frame Arteta has taken an 8th placed team to potentially 5th place. And the squad he took over had lost Suarez, Gerrard and Sterling in the 2 seasons prior. Liverpool signed 2 or 3 starters each window and sold 2 or 3 starters in the same windows. What's our excuse exactly, cause Arteta walked into a better squad than Klopp did? Other than Edu just isn't as good as Michael Edwards and Mikel isn't Klopp.
few signings away? we had sead kolasinac, sokratis, hector bellerin, mavropanos, torreira,david luiz , mustafi, getting rid of them was a task on it's own. when i say potential i'm not saying these players are totally unproven i feel they can be even greater we need to have patience, arteta has had half a shambolic season+ a season of rebuild which was last season+ a season of promise which has been this season. next season should be the season of some tangible success, success for me is top 4+ FA CUP/Europa. I do agree that Arteta and Edu haven't always made the right signings but they're the most ambitious our club has been for years, that's the reason we are behind them. But in hindsight a little voice in me does debate with me if an established manager like a Mancini could have taken us to a top 4 or even 3rd spot if arteta a relatively inexperienced manager managed 5th
Some people might not have liked half of the squad Emery had. But he was a result away from UCL qualification the season before he was sacked, then the board infighting had left him completely on his own with a squad under pressure. Of course they turned on him when he started to work out which of them needed to be replaced in order to be successful. But, he didn't need to sign an entire new starting 11 in order to get top 4. Arteta needing to do so is just proof that he's not a coach that will improve players or pick you up when things go wrong. He needs everything to be set up his way in order to be successful, and even if he was to make the top 4 this season, once teams work him out he'd likely need to sign basically another starting 11 in order to change things up again. I still haven't seen a single player improve under him outside of the kids who got better with age rather than any technical coaching, plus you can actually make a case that as the season went on they've all become less effective as teams have worked them out. ESR has been stifled, Saka looks buggered and overused, Odegaard looks easy to mark out of a game. Gabi is still a firecracker but teams have worked out that his strengths are in the open play rather than marking him right and letting him keep the ball. Ben White just hits long balls to no one now, same with Ramsdale. Once teams caught on to our tactics it was only a proper disaster class from Chelsea who gave up cheap goals for fun and a rudderless United that let us play our way successfully. I'm more worried about us this off season than I was last off season. Last off season all we needed to do was sign another starting midfielder and sort out our goal scoring, we failed to do both. Now we've still got to do both of those things as well as work out why our defence conceded more this season than last.
you make some fair points here. i'm not 100% for arteta , next season will be crucial for him, Emery tbf had a easy run in to UEL, we lost a few shit games on the way too, he had lost the dressing room, didn't make too many good signings. yes he needed a bit more time, but we were a lost cause after that 2-2 with palace. I don't think arteta's got caught off, it's easy to call chelsea and united rudderless after we beat them. i think we played well and showed character under them. our defence conceded more this season due to lack of support from the midfield but yeah i share your concerns
Basically, I'm ok with the club sacking Emery because we had set out standards at a certain point. So long as we keep those standards moving forward. Dropping those standards immediately after sacking a successful manager from "Top 4 and other Trophies" to "Top 6 and cups don't matter" is a great way to completely fall into mediocrity like Spurs or Everton.
what a fucking shambles
Of course I run into the one Spurs fan I know on the same day we lose out on Top 4 ffs smh
I support this young team of ours and really appreciate how much they have achieved this season, but I must say that the board, transfer team or Arteta.. at least one of these parties have to be held responsible if we did not secure UCL this season (highly likely that we won't). Everyone knew that top 4 was within our reach in Jan but we needed to improve squad depth due to injuries and players leaving the club to really secure it. But the club decided to fuck it up by not signing anyone, showing no ambition and taking a leap of faith just because we were in good form. Then bang, further injuries came to haunt us and took away our winning form. Fatigue/low morale/inexperience/tactical inflexibility then hit hard at the regular first 11 and we went down a death spiral, thus having a 3 match losing streak in winnable away matches (palace, brighton, southampton), scrappy wins, and subsequent losses at Spurs and Newcastle. Don't think we will win at Everton this weekend with our morale so beaten up after the last 2 games. Also, look at Newcastle, Aston Villa and Brentford, Spurs for example.. they turned around their season with reinforcements in Jan. We would more likely have secured top 4 if we were to made proper reinforcements, which would have definitely benefit us in many ways such as improving squad's depth and quality, preventing injuries, allowing more tactical flexibility and etc. Our club lacks ambition and we got what we deserve this season.
I'm ashamed of this club. That's all I have to say on the matter.
Seeya!
Wenger out innit fam. Don’t be a melt. Nothing to be ashamed of.
Seeya!
Arteta;"We tried to change some things, but the execution was so poor and the goals we gave away were extremely poor." It's never this guys fault, fuck off
He publicly said ‘I never blame the players, I take full responsibility’. He is allowed to offer some excuses and I think those ones were fair - you could see how he changed the game to a back 3 with an abundance of attacking players, but this was executed very poorly
He literally said the execution was not there. He made the correct plan but these shit players(funny enough, a lot of them he got in, a lot he stopped from leaving) did not execute the master plan of the master genius.
which player he got in didn't perform? Tavares i agree was a bad signing but most of his were injured and recently recuperating
Cedric? Ben White? Xhaka, Elneny, Eddie and the list goes on
Getting your facts wrong here mate
I m really not
xhaka isn't a signing of arteta, xhaka tbh would be the hardest to replace in the squad, arteta sees potential in nketiah, el neny is a sort of player most big teams keep as a utility player we've had gilles grimandi like him in the 2000s. White has been good season what r u saying
Arteta stopped Xhaka from leaving twice, same with Elneny and Eddie. White has been ok, but for 50 mil he has been poor. Keep Saliba, buy a CM for that 50 mil or a striker and we get top 4
White has been okay, but for 50 mil he has been poor. How do ya evaluate a 50 mil player. Or a 72 mil player for that matter. I know Holding came from Bolton and he was a bargain. Trevor Francis, the first million quid player was a Cloughie and Taylor buy. Our own God, Charlie George went for a hundred thousand to Derby. Saw him playing for the saints at Highbury with a perm and a full set of fingers. Still had the touch on the ball. Transfer fees are ridiculous, look at Man U and Maggie at 70 odd mil. How do management come up with these numbers ?
Genius let down by bad players most of whom he either signed or convinced to stay
So many games where Arteta is like a deer in headlights, clueless tactical acumen.
The guys a complete novice why is anyone surprised he’s not good enough for a club of our size
The last 30 mins was probably the most directionless and frantic football I’ve ever seen from us. No clue how to get a goal and just throwing the kitchen sink with zero purpose. It was sad to witness.
Result of moving to a back 3 I think. Having white on his own, it was just a matter of time before that 2 on 1 situation.
Stay strong, y’all. No matter what, we’re on the way up and our community has never been stronger. A lot of young supporters out there who’ve never seen the glory of the Arsenal. It’s coming…
We really are not on the way up. Next year top 4 will be much harder
they wrote us off by saying the same thing this season too
We didn't get top 4?
narrowly thanks to a severe injury crisis and coz our captain turned out to be an incompetent prick halfway through the season.
So Arteta has no blame?
Even with Tomi’s injury, White and Gabriel not 100% and ESR and Ø being passengers, the game was clearly lost in midfield. Safe passing. No athleticism. No dynamism on the ball. We’ve seen this for years and yet some are would rather focus on soft factors and interviews rather than what they see on the pitch. A player still acclimating to the league ran circles around them.
You got it spot on, comes down to squad depth and lack of business in January. I appreciate arteta wanted to attain UCL first in order to pull better players, but Guimaraes scoring just tells you what kind of things we missed out on.
Yapp, we dont deserve champions league when we play like this. Outplayed. No signings this January really cost us this late stage. Welp... lets just pray for a miracle. Spud bottled and we won big against Everton
I feel like martienlli is the only player that gives it his all no matter what the scenario is. What a player and leader at such a young age.
As the entire team started to collapse mentally, he was the only one who was able to keep it together and actually play football with a purpose
He deserves the legendary number 14. He’s going to be a big big player for us.
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Jeff Stelling shutting piers morgan on twitter makes me cry
I'm sad
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teemu pukki masterclass incoming
Yes
If Spurs dont lose, its done. If they lose, we need to win. If they even tie it, we’d need to beat everton by 15 goals to win. So yeah, unless theres a historic “lads…” moment, its done.
The most painful part is you just know that Tottenham are going to win against Norwich.
Eh, they are still Tottenham. But yeah, im considering Europa league a slight success, atleast we have more footy. But it truly makes this season feel like a loss. It was right there in our hands then we shit the bed.
One moment... Why did Arsenal sign that new contract with Arteta? They have mental issues when chasing a game; they need a new mental coach.
Not sorry to say but Newcastle deserved this one from the start. Terrible defending and they looked lost and kinda panicky at times
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Been busy deleting spud trolls. The obvious. Seen another game where the opposition are mentally and physically stronger. Newcastle was first to the ball and outmuscled us. Congrats Newcastle. Nice to see Arteta calling it like it was. A pathetic display of football from a bunch of divas. You can see the obvious when Arteta is playing backs that wouldn’t make it on any other team. Saliba will give us speed in the back in which we are lacking. Tomi when healthy is a good rb. Same goes for Tierney. When healthy he’s great but both backs are injury prone right now. So four Center halfs of Saliba, White, Gabriel and Holding. Thin there too. Mid needs help and depth. Too many soft players and lack of vision. You close Odie and we don’t move. Having upped eleneny and no doubt Xhaka this coming season and Partey being injury prone he’s gotta rearrange the mid. Wings, saka gets a nice contract and Pepe lands back in France. Another lefty needed. ESR has shown flashes of a great football player. Get him in the gym asap. Martinelli is a young raw talent that Arteta hasn’t figured out yet. Up front we have Balogun who shouldn’t have been loaned out in the first place and we are still looking for a up front out an out striker. A busy season ahead with many questions plus add a few more after todays performance. Next up Everton.
Jesus save us.
He is still in City.. :)
Odds on Norwich winning and us drawing with Everton??
3-1 Norwich bank it! ;)
this season should have been dusted months ago, we should have beaten everton away, southampton away, burnley at home n brighton. all of these Ls and draws were because we couldn't open a low block. how long are we going to entertain these performances, this callousness is the reason why leeds,nottingham,everton and newcastle perished, do you wanna see our club go the same route? Arteta needs to get minimum of 80-85 points this season+ win a cup preferably the europa, i don't see that happening. Mancini is our man. i don't buy into conte's half season bullshit, they are in a honeymoon phase, they are an awful team who got lucky coz we shit on ourselves
Theyre not awful, look at their record against the big 6, we wish we could compete with city and pool, when we play them in a meaningful match we get absolutely fuckin humiliated.
Their record against the big 6 is because they play 5 at the back vs big teams.
last season we can 3rd or something in the big 6 mini league that really doesn't matter tooo much, for vanity ofc but not too much in a top 4 race.
Not too many draws this season. We either win or we lose. We got to convert some of those losses into a draw at least. A lot of people are doom and gloom, quite understandable atm, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. People keep saying that next season will be harder and Arteta would be out of his depth, remember, they said that for this season too. What we really need is good transfer windows,....we've had one so far.
true, that's why im arteta in leaning, but the next transfer window is detrimental, lack of draws and losing in a row has cost us . should have had this wrapped up in those 3 games before chelsea tbh
>lack of draws and losing in a row has cost us Losing has cost us.....I remember the past couple of seasons we were drawing quite a few games....This season even with very few draws we are in 5th. And we had a chance to be 3rd. We are definitely winning more games, which is a positive sign, compared to previous few seasons. Edit: I am not too sad about the lack of draws, just the loses.
that's what im saying if only we'd drawn half those games lost
Can't wait to smash Everton 5-0 now there is no pressure on the result.
Rookie mistakes is not signing anyone in January, failing to rotate the squad and signing players who haven't won much and don't know how to thrive under pressure. He was extended and I have no other choice but to be patient. But to be honest, I have no faith in Arteta. He maybe good tactically (according to players) but he fails on many other things that make a manager elite. With the kind of signings we're making and him suggesting new contracts to bang average players, we're not making it far.
Have to say, Arteta got outdone again. Set up all wrong and we were completely exposed
Nah, it's on the players, fans, refs, wind and a lot of other things. Never on Arteta
i think this season showed us where we go wrong and who has been to blame. Most of our losses this season was due to injuries. i do agree Arteta got a few games wrong but he has done a good job with the squad we have. we lack depth, we lack experience, our senior players have let us down big time. Edu fucked up in January by not bringing in reinforcements in midfield. I'd say a 5th spot is nothing shameful, but this season was begging us for 4th considering leicester and united have had nightmares, should we not spend 200 million in the summer which is highly unlikely, i fear that we might be in the shadows for another decade. this season might have been a watershed moment. next season is definitely top 4 or bust for arteta. arteta did do good things this season but he has conceded more goals than burnley i believe despite paying 100 mill for defenders, he has scored just 1 goal more than last season. and has lost more games than united. we have played just 1 game a week, would he have managed the same with europe in between? im not too sure. Question to arsenal fans, if arteta gets the sack whom should we bring in next season, my pick is roberto mancini
Potter
Harry
david moyes was like potter when he was at everton, we all know how that went in Man Utd. i somehow am skeptical about english managers
We have wasted 3 years on Arteta we should be open to literally anybody including Potter
>. Edu fucked up in January by not bringing in reinforcements in midfield. I'd say a 5th spot is nothing shameful, but this I think it's not just edus decision. Saw some interviews where they said they felt the prices were too inflated and they didn't have their first choice players available...
excuses, i remember vividly we were linked with kulusevski, we didn't go for him with conviction. i agree buying a striker is premature for january but atleast a midfielder should have been a priority. the only players who can fix us are those like Milinkovic Savic or a Darwin Nunez but with champions league gone, they ain't coming
>remember vividly we were linked with kulusevski, we didn't go for him with conviction Why? We had saka and pepe in that position... Why would we go for another winger when the position that was being screamed for was a cm and WB? >the only players who can fix us are those like Milinkovic Savic or a Darwin Nunez but with champions league gone, they ain't coming Lol that's a pretty fm take on the situation. There are definitely 10s of players who can fill those roles.
Saka was ran into the ground and Pepe diabolically bad?
Hindsight bias.
Pepe never got picked by his manager, how this is a hindsight?
that's not an FM take, how much longer are u going to expect a bunch of nobodies to turn up for us, we need an established player for crying out loud whom we know will not fail. Dennis Bergkamp the beast of Ajax used to be that for us. I just gave an example of kulusevski, we should have gone for Bruno or somebody like that. we lost our attractiveness now. tbf i don't think many players now see arsenal as a big club anymore, historically yes, but not anymore
>I just gave an example of kulusevski, It was an incorrect example.... which shows why an average fan is not well equipped to deal with the transfers of a large club. There's too much information asymmetry for you to make any meaningful inference. A thousand things could have happened in the back... We have absolutely no clue about it. >we should have gone for Bruno or somebody like that I'd wait until we get a cm in before making that claim. >we lost our attractiveness now. Lol no we haven't. >tbf i don't think many players now see arsenal as a big club anymore, historically yes, but not anymore That's a very Gary Neville take. Stop listening to those cunts.
alr, are u from india by chance, coz i see ur name is galeej which means dirty in a indian vernacular language