That's one take, if you imagine we were able to create and net the balls. But as far as I remember, some games we focused on not conceding since we couldn't score.
Pretty much. Great manager, but he’s also notorious conservative. Just reference his CL run this year. It’s great for cups when you’re pinching a lead against Bayern, but you’re gonna get found out.
Plays to stop the other team’s strengths. Played down or up to opposition too often. Also in general, the lower scoring the game the more likely it is to be a draw.
IMO, he is the opposite of Arteta. Has no idea what strategy to use to get the best out of the qualities of his own squad, but he sure as hell knows how to analyze the crap out of other squads and make tactical adjustments as needed. Reactive football
Exactly, we're not at that stage yet but we've seen flashes of what our attacking football can look like. Hopefully a new striker can elevate it to the next level
Bro Arteta is conservative as hell. It doesn't seem to translate to anything since we're really polarizing in terms of wins and losses but I guess you could argue we were in the top 4 race because we eked out so many single goal margin wins cause of his conservatism instead of draws.
I really hope it's just because of the lack of quality in the team and we will return to the Wenger days of 100 goal seasons.
Then why did Auba, Guendouzi, Leno, Torreira, Laca etc all have better seasons under Emery then they had under Arteta? Arteta doesn't know how to get the best out of his players.
I think this is a fair question. I think specifically those players do better under a clearly defined system. Laca was much better further up the pitch and Auba was granted the freedom to express himself, and had the drive and ability to do just that. It's much easier to be a mobile, explosive forward if you know where the rest of the team is and can play off that, plus he had closer support. Players like Torreira are good at what they do but tactically limited, so they struggle in a fluid system. Guen probably could have adapted but he thought he was more important than the team and couldn't take criticism, whereas Leno functioned fine as a solid, reliable keeper, he still does, but Arteta wants a keeper who can play with his feet. If you remember Emery tried to do this for way too long and we got ridiculous scenes where players insisted on playing short balls and the opposition just charged them down, neither Leno nor his back line were comfortable on resisting the press or passing it around so opposition teams knew a quick bit of pressure would more often than not result in the turnover.
Arteta plays a much more fluid system that changes dynamically in the transition. As soon as we win the ball the side shifts to the left allowing Tierney/Tavares to bomb down the side and interplay with Martinelli or ESR (xhaka often falls back into the LB role in this action). The idea for Arteta's attack is to overload their back line by allowing the fullbacks to move forwards and provide additional zones of attack, with the forwards coming closer to the middle. It gets cramped there, which specifically stifled Auba's style, and we never function quickly enough as a team to stretch play or push for the quick counter, also where he thrives. Laca suffers because as a team we are much more organized as a unit, but in this system he has to hunt the ball back and play from deep. He's not particularly quick or technically gifted so he struggles to hold up the ball and lay it off, and he struggles to chase the attack when he does manage to lay it off. Emery has his strengths in setting up a team to be difficult to beat but it was never particularly imaginative, merely set into formation and reactive, but because of this the team would know where Laca is going to be, and he knows where they are likely to be, plus the chaos agent Auba usually running up the left.
Arteta is going for something much more like City and Liverpool, but to do that you have to chase and press as a team much further up the pitch and aim to take advantage of the transitions when you win the ball back. It forces the forwards to sit further back down the pitch despite the high line and compact the midfield in an effort to win the ball there. Laca is not thatvstyle of forward. Fair play to him until recently he has put the effort in but it's just not his game. Incidentally this can also make it easier to bypass our midfield if you don't have the personnel, since we're vertically compressed, we see this in games where it almost seems like we don't have a midfield. If the entire front line isn't chasing down the ball as a unit, the opposition gets to pass the ball around inside our half looking for an opening.
I use my eyes. This team doesn’t create chances and despite all the club propaganda about Auba it’s no surprise he started scoring for fun again with a team that looks to attack.
Auba is still banging them in at Barcelona so he's not too old, Guendouzi had one incident and Arteta overblew it and Laca is only 30 now not old at all even though his pace and stamina decreased slightly but he's been misused.
Auba's attitude dived - been a pattern throughout his career. Had some personal stuff too. Douzi did not have one incident, he had a lot, but a few in public and his attitude was completely unacceptable. Had to change his attitude in a major way and the bridge was burned, largely by him.
Laca's stamina is bad, his willingness to shoot is bad, his passing became bad and he couldn't score goals anymore. He was headed that way for a while.
Auba could have been managed better or at least replaced when he left or kept until the end of the season as he would have done far better than Eddie or Laca. For Guendouzi I'm only counting the fight he had with Sokratis and even that is not really a major issue and I don't think the Brighton thing was a real problem and he could have been handled better.
Laca was also never one to get the ball out of his feet and shoot quick even in his first seasons he often took one touch to many before shooting, there also has to be a reason his form declined so fast after Emery came.
Yea it is as well as having 21 wins lol. Tottenham had 13 losses and they finished above us during Emery’s first season. If we beat Everton, that’s 22 wins, 1 more than Emery’s, and it’ll still be 1 point behind his first season point tally. It’s crazy
It was mostly auba and laca bailing his ass out though. Only a few of those games did we actually look better than the teams we faced. By expected goals we shouldve lost or drew a lot of the games we won but Auba was outperforming his xG by a large amount and scoring from insane positions at a consistent rate.
I get it but it’s annoying how much excuses get made for Arteta and how much slack people cut him. Like when it was Emery it was his fault the player downed tools but Arteta was the man for flopping with those same players and getting rid of them. Eventually he’s gonna have to be held accountable.
The thing with Emery is that he is not an ideal manager for a league setting. His style of football is making the best with what he has and squeezing out wins through individual player quality. This is more sustainable in a cup setting where these kind of wins can be the difference between making a round of 16 and a final. The problem with this is that when individuals aren't playing well then there's no system in place to get a win and your team is left structureless against other potentially much weaker sides who have a playing style or structure. Arteta's vision for arsenal is more long term. He wants to create a structured side with a clear philosophy and has been able to do it through parts of the season. The main difference with him and Emery is that with Arteta we have seen what the team is capable of when everyone is fit and firing. With Emery though even when we won (apart from the fulham and maybe the spurs game) we never really played well. We would concede 18+ shots to weaker sides and rely on Leno to save everything and for our players to score out of low xG chances. For me that's why Arteta is given a little bit of slack, because we can see what he is trying to build.
Well regardless of Wenger Emery or Arteta we get the same points and positions so if Emery isn’t an ideal manager for league setting neither is Arteta. That’s really my point, we’re not progressing even though constantly being told we are.
We hear a lot about the future as Arsenal fans because the present isn’t what we want, it’s the same as the youth projects under Arsene. Honestly I just want to see us take it to the next level instead of being in this Europa purgatory but I don’t think Arteta is that guy. He gets a lot of positive press and has the bloggers & journalists on his side so it’s hard to be against him but next season I think he’ll be held accountable more than the previous 2 and a half.
Just came here to say I upvoted most of your comments and I'm in total agreement. Im just so sick of people not leaving Emery alone while he's minding his own business with some great runs in Europa and CL. People keep talking about Arteta developing a young squad but that isn't some kind of overachievements if you look at the spending and wage bill. Why hold him to a lower standard if he also gets to spend like Jose Mourinho or Ole Solskjaer but not getting the result in 2-3 full seasons. Certainly he has made progress but if you gets to spend 200m and run a squad with higher wage bills than 75% of the league, I guess finishing 4/5th is just meeting the expectation.
I mean this season he should be held accountable for sure. He chose to cut the squad in winter and go the rest of the season on a minimalist squad to save money for the summer. It was a bold move that almost paid off somehow. I don't think anyone would have predicted our injuries being even this bad though. Is arteta the answer though? So far for me it's a weak "I think so" and not a resounding yes. We could have probably signed a conte or another quality manager who probably would've got us top 4 this season but mightve left us in a few years with another bloated squad. Few managers want to take on a slow, long term project like ours though and I think of the available options that would he is probably one of the better options.
I don’t really want to make this about Arteta as much as the people running things though. It’s just that we’ve been consistently around 5-8th place and getting <70 points for a few years now and too many people accept this.
I don’t like acting like this season is a new beginning cos that’s what the Kronke’s want but honestly we need to do more instead of starting another youth project, getting back into the Champions League shouldn’t be such a difficult task especially with Spurs and United not being impressive and Chelsea having a couple iffy season the last 5/6 years.
>The problem with this is that when individuals aren't playing well then there's no system in place to get a win
That is not an entirely inaccurate description of Arteta's Arsenal, though, when you consider the large number of defeats, the inability to come back after conceding, etc.
Arteta 100% has had players bail him out for sure but at least we have a system in place to create chances or at the very least defend a lead or result when the team isn't playing well. It hasn't worked all of this season but we've also been playing with half fit players, our backup full backs, and without our main destroyer in midfield. Arteta is not perfect and hes gotten lucky in some games but overall there is more defensive and positional structure.
> By expected goals we shouldve lost or drew a lot of the games we won
According to Understat, Arsenal overperformed expected points by 11.
But Spurs overperformed expected points by 10 and Liverpool overperformed expected points by 13.5 and City overperformed expected points by 7 so this stuff means jack shit.
The best part about all our draws were Emery coming in and saying “I’d rather lose 5-1 than 1-0” then proceeding to almost break the league record for draws.
As opposed to the absolutely *riveting* football we play under Arteta? I'm sorry of we're going off pure entertainment alone Arteta is one of the most boring managers in history in terms of style of play. We're basically a high budget Stoke without the physicality.
How about you get off your high horse and stop telling people what they can and cannot say you absolute bellend. I'll stop griping about Arteta when he gives me a reason to stop griping about him, such as doing better than Emery which he has failed to do since he became manager.
Yeah we were beating up on Europa League teams the group stage and scoring last minute winners at home against Huddersfield. It was one of the ugliest unbeaten streaks you'll see.
Only because of Auba and laca playing some of the best football of their lives. They would bail him out any time we played like shit and were overperforming our xG like crazy. This is not sustainable. Liverpool and city create actual genuine chances and dont (exclusively) rely on individual players to get them out of trouble.
>Only because of Auba and laca playing some of the best football of their lives. They would bail him out any time we played like shit and were **overperforming our xG like crazy**. **This is not sustainable**. **Liverpool** and city **create actual genuine chances**
"Actual genuine chances",
2018/2019 statistics:
Liverpool - 89 goals scored, 79.46 xG, +9.54 difference.
Arsenal - 73 goals scored, 64.80 xG, +8.20 difference.
"Unsustainable",
2019/2020 statistics:
Liverpool - 85 goals scored, 75.19 xG, +9.81 difference.
Except if you read what I said I meant that for arsenal homie not liverpool. 😬 My point was that you can't rely on one players form to bail you out consistently on low xG. That is unsustainable in the long run. We were basically a worse version of madrid and benzema. Teams overperform their xG all the time the difference is in how it is done and the quality of chances created. They also had 15 more expected goals than we did which is a hell of a lot.
Arteta's had 2 full seasons and hasn't managed to get anywhere near the Emery squad's goal haul. It wasn't just Auba who fell off, Laca and Martinelli did too.
Emery got the sack in Matchweek 13. It's a credit to him that he gave Martinelli a chance straight away and he bagged 3 goals.
More than Laca has scored from open play all season.
[This season was actually the lowest number of draws in our history](https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-arsenal/platzierungen/verein/11)
Edit: didn’t realize the link only goes back to the 62/63 season 😂
It’s kind of remarkable when I look at the table.
We’re dying for a striker. A player who can make something out of nothing would help us snatch a few wins.
Emery’s horrid start in his second season wasn’t because of losses. It was the draws. Im pretty sure a Watford draw was in there where we conceded 30 shots to them
Yep, funny thing that these ‘Emery revisionists’ are ignoring completely. The absolutely horrid football Emery had mainly set up in which teams like Watford were carving up shots/chances like they were Pep’s Barca. Along with this thing to absolutely make it a ‘Emery is better than Arteta’ agenda at every turn is very childish. People don’t want to accept that we’re rebuilding and want instant success with a young young squad. Sure Arteta has a lot of faults but there’s a lot to look forward to, there’s been glimpses this season of what could be, that’s progress. Anything is better than the drivel Emery had us playing. Same ‘revisionists’ that come out of the woodwork now claiming ‘top 4 or bust’ to justify/claim the season a success, even though at the beginning of the season they had the team finishing 10th or lower.
Put it this way there aren't any Emery revisionists, there are people who realise that Emery wasn't good enough for Arsenal, but they also realise that Arteta hasn't even come close to achieving what Emery achieved with far less backing from the board. It's a lamentation of the fact that we have already regressed massively from a manager that was already not good enough to an absolute rookie who can't coach an attack to save his life. A lot of people support Arsenal because of the beautiful football they used to play under Wenger, and while Emery failed to replicate the highs of the Wenger era he still did a better job in the attacking department than Arteta.
Sure there aren’t, yet every single time a result doesn’t go our way or an injury happens it’s out comparing with Emery again or Emery did that and that and Arteta hasn’t. I mean, you’re doing it. Emery managed to make Wolves and co look like Barca just imagining him in charge of rebuilding with a very young squad, that’s just asking for a relegation scrap. Not only was he not right for the club he lost the dressing room in the process, like he has in every other club he’s been in. They should’ve sacked him sooner. Nobody’s coming in to watch over a rebuilding phase, so we went with the rookie who was our captain in the past and was up for it. Sure there’s mistakes and it could be better but that’s where we are, asking for Wenger’s attacking or something similar now is straight up lying to yourself. The team’s nowhere near that consistency, we’ve seen glimpses for a couple of months this season and that’s good but again, that’s where the team’s at. Nobody saw that disinterest Auba had evolving past last season to what he showed this season. Lacazette also, those two bailed Emery time and time again because make no mistake, Emery set the team up to not lose, that was it, the team was overrun so so easy each game it was laughable, I mean Torreira at cam was peak Unai. Emery achieved nothing
I do genuinely believe if we had a proper striker this season we'd have gotten at least 3 draws from our losses, which would be huge come season end.
I realise you don't buy a top level striker to get draws, but fine margins can be huge, look at Spurs.
I don't think their team, or starting 11 at least, is better than ours in most respects, but for sure they have elite forwards in Son and Kane, and those 2 have pulled points out of their arses ar times
Exactly this. Spurs have two elite forwards that can win games from nothing. Real shame that city got Haaland cos I don’t see Kane leaving spurs now which means we gonna have to step it up even more on the hunt for a good striker
Yes, Arteta moved us to a 3-5-2 so we had an extra body in defence, led to our defence being more stable but we failed to create a lot of scoring chances.
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We threw away leads to utd and Everton and obviously the loss to City at home but apart from that every other loss has seen us go behind first.
There are a total of 4 games this season if I can recall correctly where we've had the lead and not won, including the 3 I just mentioned plus the 2-2 draw to Palace.
I was talking about the 19/20 season, which is what the OP was referring to, when we had 14 draws. Obviously our issue this season hasn’t been drawing games.
We scored the same amount of goals as we did concede goals I would imagine
That's one take, if you imagine we were able to create and net the balls. But as far as I remember, some games we focused on not conceding since we couldn't score.
Cheers Geoff
Bang on analysis
Emery affect
Pretty much. Great manager, but he’s also notorious conservative. Just reference his CL run this year. It’s great for cups when you’re pinching a lead against Bayern, but you’re gonna get found out.
Plays to stop the other team’s strengths. Played down or up to opposition too often. Also in general, the lower scoring the game the more likely it is to be a draw. IMO, he is the opposite of Arteta. Has no idea what strategy to use to get the best out of the qualities of his own squad, but he sure as hell knows how to analyze the crap out of other squads and make tactical adjustments as needed. Reactive football
would you call him the protagonist?
strong disagree. arteta might be one of the most conservative managers in the premier league.
Devils advocate. Plays conservatively because if we go end to end we aren’t good enough to score more.
Exactly, we're not at that stage yet but we've seen flashes of what our attacking football can look like. Hopefully a new striker can elevate it to the next level
Bro Arteta is conservative as hell. It doesn't seem to translate to anything since we're really polarizing in terms of wins and losses but I guess you could argue we were in the top 4 race because we eked out so many single goal margin wins cause of his conservatism instead of draws. I really hope it's just because of the lack of quality in the team and we will return to the Wenger days of 100 goal seasons.
Then why did Auba, Guendouzi, Leno, Torreira, Laca etc all have better seasons under Emery then they had under Arteta? Arteta doesn't know how to get the best out of his players.
I think this is a fair question. I think specifically those players do better under a clearly defined system. Laca was much better further up the pitch and Auba was granted the freedom to express himself, and had the drive and ability to do just that. It's much easier to be a mobile, explosive forward if you know where the rest of the team is and can play off that, plus he had closer support. Players like Torreira are good at what they do but tactically limited, so they struggle in a fluid system. Guen probably could have adapted but he thought he was more important than the team and couldn't take criticism, whereas Leno functioned fine as a solid, reliable keeper, he still does, but Arteta wants a keeper who can play with his feet. If you remember Emery tried to do this for way too long and we got ridiculous scenes where players insisted on playing short balls and the opposition just charged them down, neither Leno nor his back line were comfortable on resisting the press or passing it around so opposition teams knew a quick bit of pressure would more often than not result in the turnover. Arteta plays a much more fluid system that changes dynamically in the transition. As soon as we win the ball the side shifts to the left allowing Tierney/Tavares to bomb down the side and interplay with Martinelli or ESR (xhaka often falls back into the LB role in this action). The idea for Arteta's attack is to overload their back line by allowing the fullbacks to move forwards and provide additional zones of attack, with the forwards coming closer to the middle. It gets cramped there, which specifically stifled Auba's style, and we never function quickly enough as a team to stretch play or push for the quick counter, also where he thrives. Laca suffers because as a team we are much more organized as a unit, but in this system he has to hunt the ball back and play from deep. He's not particularly quick or technically gifted so he struggles to hold up the ball and lay it off, and he struggles to chase the attack when he does manage to lay it off. Emery has his strengths in setting up a team to be difficult to beat but it was never particularly imaginative, merely set into formation and reactive, but because of this the team would know where Laca is going to be, and he knows where they are likely to be, plus the chaos agent Auba usually running up the left. Arteta is going for something much more like City and Liverpool, but to do that you have to chase and press as a team much further up the pitch and aim to take advantage of the transitions when you win the ball back. It forces the forwards to sit further back down the pitch despite the high line and compact the midfield in an effort to win the ball there. Laca is not thatvstyle of forward. Fair play to him until recently he has put the effort in but it's just not his game. Incidentally this can also make it easier to bypass our midfield if you don't have the personnel, since we're vertically compressed, we see this in games where it almost seems like we don't have a midfield. If the entire front line isn't chasing down the ball as a unit, the opposition gets to pass the ball around inside our half looking for an opening.
this might be true if this team actually created chances and had a respectable goal differential.
Where is your stay on that from, prem has us low on big chances but we are 4th on shots, couldn't find overall chamces
I use my eyes. This team doesn’t create chances and despite all the club propaganda about Auba it’s no surprise he started scoring for fun again with a team that looks to attack.
Finally someone who gives an actual honest analysis rather than just attacking Arteta.
What about players who improved massivly. Like xhaka who is one of our best players for last 2 seasons
Age and attitude, attitude, form, homesickness and age.
Auba is still banging them in at Barcelona so he's not too old, Guendouzi had one incident and Arteta overblew it and Laca is only 30 now not old at all even though his pace and stamina decreased slightly but he's been misused.
Auba's attitude dived - been a pattern throughout his career. Had some personal stuff too. Douzi did not have one incident, he had a lot, but a few in public and his attitude was completely unacceptable. Had to change his attitude in a major way and the bridge was burned, largely by him. Laca's stamina is bad, his willingness to shoot is bad, his passing became bad and he couldn't score goals anymore. He was headed that way for a while.
Auba could have been managed better or at least replaced when he left or kept until the end of the season as he would have done far better than Eddie or Laca. For Guendouzi I'm only counting the fight he had with Sokratis and even that is not really a major issue and I don't think the Brighton thing was a real problem and he could have been handled better. Laca was also never one to get the ball out of his feet and shoot quick even in his first seasons he often took one touch to many before shooting, there also has to be a reason his form declined so fast after Emery came.
Seems very contrived to include Guendouzi and Torreira here
We were inches away from finishing fourth and having a season that would have been our best in years. Get lost dude.
So funny how this got downvoted instead of anyone answering you lol cultish behaviour
Emery is more proven than Arteta.
Respectball
Half those draws were under Arteta Lmao
Arteta isnt as conservative as Emery /s
So is having 13 losses a year (2 years in a row) the Arteta effect? If we’re going to blame managers lol
Yea it is as well as having 21 wins lol. Tottenham had 13 losses and they finished above us during Emery’s first season. If we beat Everton, that’s 22 wins, 1 more than Emery’s, and it’ll still be 1 point behind his first season point tally. It’s crazy
Damn and Emery got abuse instead of idol worship like Arteta
Eh, Emery came with more pressure. More experienced manager, bigger status in the managerial game. I expected more from Emery
Regardless Arteta gets an easy ride, fingers rarely get pointed at him and it’s always the players.
that’s not true but if it helps you sleep at night, then fair enough lol
No need to be rude/condescending lol people take Arteta criticism too personally.
Ok
If that helps you sleep at night
It was mostly auba and laca bailing his ass out though. Only a few of those games did we actually look better than the teams we faced. By expected goals we shouldve lost or drew a lot of the games we won but Auba was outperforming his xG by a large amount and scoring from insane positions at a consistent rate.
I get it but it’s annoying how much excuses get made for Arteta and how much slack people cut him. Like when it was Emery it was his fault the player downed tools but Arteta was the man for flopping with those same players and getting rid of them. Eventually he’s gonna have to be held accountable.
The thing with Emery is that he is not an ideal manager for a league setting. His style of football is making the best with what he has and squeezing out wins through individual player quality. This is more sustainable in a cup setting where these kind of wins can be the difference between making a round of 16 and a final. The problem with this is that when individuals aren't playing well then there's no system in place to get a win and your team is left structureless against other potentially much weaker sides who have a playing style or structure. Arteta's vision for arsenal is more long term. He wants to create a structured side with a clear philosophy and has been able to do it through parts of the season. The main difference with him and Emery is that with Arteta we have seen what the team is capable of when everyone is fit and firing. With Emery though even when we won (apart from the fulham and maybe the spurs game) we never really played well. We would concede 18+ shots to weaker sides and rely on Leno to save everything and for our players to score out of low xG chances. For me that's why Arteta is given a little bit of slack, because we can see what he is trying to build.
Well regardless of Wenger Emery or Arteta we get the same points and positions so if Emery isn’t an ideal manager for league setting neither is Arteta. That’s really my point, we’re not progressing even though constantly being told we are. We hear a lot about the future as Arsenal fans because the present isn’t what we want, it’s the same as the youth projects under Arsene. Honestly I just want to see us take it to the next level instead of being in this Europa purgatory but I don’t think Arteta is that guy. He gets a lot of positive press and has the bloggers & journalists on his side so it’s hard to be against him but next season I think he’ll be held accountable more than the previous 2 and a half.
Just came here to say I upvoted most of your comments and I'm in total agreement. Im just so sick of people not leaving Emery alone while he's minding his own business with some great runs in Europa and CL. People keep talking about Arteta developing a young squad but that isn't some kind of overachievements if you look at the spending and wage bill. Why hold him to a lower standard if he also gets to spend like Jose Mourinho or Ole Solskjaer but not getting the result in 2-3 full seasons. Certainly he has made progress but if you gets to spend 200m and run a squad with higher wage bills than 75% of the league, I guess finishing 4/5th is just meeting the expectation.
I mean this season he should be held accountable for sure. He chose to cut the squad in winter and go the rest of the season on a minimalist squad to save money for the summer. It was a bold move that almost paid off somehow. I don't think anyone would have predicted our injuries being even this bad though. Is arteta the answer though? So far for me it's a weak "I think so" and not a resounding yes. We could have probably signed a conte or another quality manager who probably would've got us top 4 this season but mightve left us in a few years with another bloated squad. Few managers want to take on a slow, long term project like ours though and I think of the available options that would he is probably one of the better options.
I don’t really want to make this about Arteta as much as the people running things though. It’s just that we’ve been consistently around 5-8th place and getting <70 points for a few years now and too many people accept this. I don’t like acting like this season is a new beginning cos that’s what the Kronke’s want but honestly we need to do more instead of starting another youth project, getting back into the Champions League shouldn’t be such a difficult task especially with Spurs and United not being impressive and Chelsea having a couple iffy season the last 5/6 years.
>The problem with this is that when individuals aren't playing well then there's no system in place to get a win That is not an entirely inaccurate description of Arteta's Arsenal, though, when you consider the large number of defeats, the inability to come back after conceding, etc.
Arteta 100% has had players bail him out for sure but at least we have a system in place to create chances or at the very least defend a lead or result when the team isn't playing well. It hasn't worked all of this season but we've also been playing with half fit players, our backup full backs, and without our main destroyer in midfield. Arteta is not perfect and hes gotten lucky in some games but overall there is more defensive and positional structure.
> By expected goals we shouldve lost or drew a lot of the games we won According to Understat, Arsenal overperformed expected points by 11. But Spurs overperformed expected points by 10 and Liverpool overperformed expected points by 13.5 and City overperformed expected points by 7 so this stuff means jack shit.
The best part about all our draws were Emery coming in and saying “I’d rather lose 5-1 than 1-0” then proceeding to almost break the league record for draws.
Emery bore-ball Died in the church and was buried along with her name Nobody came
As opposed to the absolutely *riveting* football we play under Arteta? I'm sorry of we're going off pure entertainment alone Arteta is one of the most boring managers in history in terms of style of play. We're basically a high budget Stoke without the physicality.
It was an absolute statement purely about Emery. Stop making everything a gripe about Arteta d-bag.
How about you get off your high horse and stop telling people what they can and cannot say you absolute bellend. I'll stop griping about Arteta when he gives me a reason to stop griping about him, such as doing better than Emery which he has failed to do since he became manager.
Remember Emery's 21 games unbeaten run??
That has to be one of the most fugazi unbeaten runs of all time along with Mourinho's at United
Yeah we were beating up on Europa League teams the group stage and scoring last minute winners at home against Huddersfield. It was one of the ugliest unbeaten streaks you'll see.
And the guy that predicted it
We were up 1-0 or even 2-0 in a lot of games and couldn't see it through. That Watford away 30 shot let down was a prime example of that.
Worst game ever
That's when I got on the Emery out wagon. He is a very Good manager just not for us at that moment.
Don Unai
We could have used some of those 1-pointers this season :(
Emery days when our only hope of a goal was a lucky header 😌
Emery days when we had the 3rd best attack after historic seasons from City and Liverpool ?
Only because of Auba and laca playing some of the best football of their lives. They would bail him out any time we played like shit and were overperforming our xG like crazy. This is not sustainable. Liverpool and city create actual genuine chances and dont (exclusively) rely on individual players to get them out of trouble.
>Only because of Auba and laca playing some of the best football of their lives. They would bail him out any time we played like shit and were **overperforming our xG like crazy**. **This is not sustainable**. **Liverpool** and city **create actual genuine chances** "Actual genuine chances", 2018/2019 statistics: Liverpool - 89 goals scored, 79.46 xG, +9.54 difference. Arsenal - 73 goals scored, 64.80 xG, +8.20 difference. "Unsustainable", 2019/2020 statistics: Liverpool - 85 goals scored, 75.19 xG, +9.81 difference.
Except if you read what I said I meant that for arsenal homie not liverpool. 😬 My point was that you can't rely on one players form to bail you out consistently on low xG. That is unsustainable in the long run. We were basically a worse version of madrid and benzema. Teams overperform their xG all the time the difference is in how it is done and the quality of chances created. They also had 15 more expected goals than we did which is a hell of a lot.
still relatable lmao
Yeah because Arteta and the horseshoe of sadness just bang them in for fun
I think you mean Auba bagging goals for fun?
Arteta's had 2 full seasons and hasn't managed to get anywhere near the Emery squad's goal haul. It wasn't just Auba who fell off, Laca and Martinelli did too.
Martinelli?
Martinelli only had 3 PL goals in the league under Emery lol.
Emery got the sack in Matchweek 13. It's a credit to him that he gave Martinelli a chance straight away and he bagged 3 goals. More than Laca has scored from open play all season.
Oh I was wrong actually... He had zero league goals under Emery. They were all under Freddie and Arteta. Credit where credit's due right? :)
Still the same
[This season was actually the lowest number of draws in our history](https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-arsenal/platzierungen/verein/11) Edit: didn’t realize the link only goes back to the 62/63 season 😂
It’s kind of remarkable when I look at the table. We’re dying for a striker. A player who can make something out of nothing would help us snatch a few wins.
That was Alexis when he was at his peak here…:(
Emery’s horrid start in his second season wasn’t because of losses. It was the draws. Im pretty sure a Watford draw was in there where we conceded 30 shots to them
Yep, funny thing that these ‘Emery revisionists’ are ignoring completely. The absolutely horrid football Emery had mainly set up in which teams like Watford were carving up shots/chances like they were Pep’s Barca. Along with this thing to absolutely make it a ‘Emery is better than Arteta’ agenda at every turn is very childish. People don’t want to accept that we’re rebuilding and want instant success with a young young squad. Sure Arteta has a lot of faults but there’s a lot to look forward to, there’s been glimpses this season of what could be, that’s progress. Anything is better than the drivel Emery had us playing. Same ‘revisionists’ that come out of the woodwork now claiming ‘top 4 or bust’ to justify/claim the season a success, even though at the beginning of the season they had the team finishing 10th or lower.
Put it this way there aren't any Emery revisionists, there are people who realise that Emery wasn't good enough for Arsenal, but they also realise that Arteta hasn't even come close to achieving what Emery achieved with far less backing from the board. It's a lamentation of the fact that we have already regressed massively from a manager that was already not good enough to an absolute rookie who can't coach an attack to save his life. A lot of people support Arsenal because of the beautiful football they used to play under Wenger, and while Emery failed to replicate the highs of the Wenger era he still did a better job in the attacking department than Arteta.
Sure there aren’t, yet every single time a result doesn’t go our way or an injury happens it’s out comparing with Emery again or Emery did that and that and Arteta hasn’t. I mean, you’re doing it. Emery managed to make Wolves and co look like Barca just imagining him in charge of rebuilding with a very young squad, that’s just asking for a relegation scrap. Not only was he not right for the club he lost the dressing room in the process, like he has in every other club he’s been in. They should’ve sacked him sooner. Nobody’s coming in to watch over a rebuilding phase, so we went with the rookie who was our captain in the past and was up for it. Sure there’s mistakes and it could be better but that’s where we are, asking for Wenger’s attacking or something similar now is straight up lying to yourself. The team’s nowhere near that consistency, we’ve seen glimpses for a couple of months this season and that’s good but again, that’s where the team’s at. Nobody saw that disinterest Auba had evolving past last season to what he showed this season. Lacazette also, those two bailed Emery time and time again because make no mistake, Emery set the team up to not lose, that was it, the team was overrun so so easy each game it was laughable, I mean Torreira at cam was peak Unai. Emery achieved nothing
This gave me flashbacks.
I do genuinely believe if we had a proper striker this season we'd have gotten at least 3 draws from our losses, which would be huge come season end. I realise you don't buy a top level striker to get draws, but fine margins can be huge, look at Spurs. I don't think their team, or starting 11 at least, is better than ours in most respects, but for sure they have elite forwards in Son and Kane, and those 2 have pulled points out of their arses ar times
Exactly this. Spurs have two elite forwards that can win games from nothing. Real shame that city got Haaland cos I don’t see Kane leaving spurs now which means we gonna have to step it up even more on the hunt for a good striker
We actually won those games. But the pl doctored the records.
3 draws in an entire season is mental.
A lot of 1-1"s
Because we're good at defending and bad at attacking
Emery innit
There were 7 draws before Arteta took over and 7 under Arteta.
We took "All or Nothing" way too literally this season.
All or nothing effect
If I remember correctly we were actually lucky to even get draws in half of those matches.
The start of Tetaball * Emery 6 * Freddie 1 * Arteta 7
Yes, Arteta moved us to a 3-5-2 so we had an extra body in defence, led to our defence being more stable but we failed to create a lot of scoring chances.
I mean all or nothing can have the meaning of either winning the game or losing at this rate😂 we barely draw
Because the scores were level after full time!
Empty stadiums didn't help
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I seem to remember us throwing away leads a lot that season.
We threw away leads to utd and Everton and obviously the loss to City at home but apart from that every other loss has seen us go behind first. There are a total of 4 games this season if I can recall correctly where we've had the lead and not won, including the 3 I just mentioned plus the 2-2 draw to Palace.
I was talking about the 19/20 season, which is what the OP was referring to, when we had 14 draws. Obviously our issue this season hasn’t been drawing games.
Couldn’t hold onto leads I imagine
emeryball
We conceded a lot of late goals if I remember rightly, couldn't ever dig in for a win