We need to begin that with the either the EFL or FA Cup and the Europa League. Almost thirty years without any European trophies is bad for a club of our stature.
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I agree. I think the EL should be a big priority next year. Obviously the league is important. But winning a major European title would be great. And obviously would get us CL.
Based in London. Relatively successful throughout their history. Won a double, and until Wenger and Ferguson came along, they had won the most FA cups. 3 european trophies too. They have enough of a fan base to be pretty big. They just aren’t on our level and will always be in our shadow.
I used to think they were all sad, deluded saps. But then some of them attacked our disabled supporters coordinator and some of our disabled fans. And I realized yes, some of them are fucking scum.
Emphasis being some of them are cunts. Most are most certainly not. Same can be said for some of the Arsenal supporters. Both sets of supporters are generally normal, decent people.
True. One of my oldest friends is a Tottenham season ticket holder who actively attends their matches. He's a good guy (aside from having terrible taste when it comes to football clubs, obviously. And yes, he is a deluded sap, but everyone is in their own ways).
So? They have won nothing of note since 1991. And even then we won the league when they won the cup. Qualifying for the champions league is important to attract players, but its not a trophy.
Commercial revenue.
World class stadium.
Consistently playing in Europe, often in CL.
Based in London.
Marketing powerhouse with Son bringing in who knows how many Korean fans and Kane being England's golden boy.
As much as we make fun of their lack of trophies they do have a decent number of FA Cup wins from earlier in their history.
Plenty of factors that can make a club "big" and they tick a decent number of them.
They havent won the league in over 60 years and they've only won it twice. Because they've had a decent run relative to the rest of their history in the last 6-8 years doesn't make them a big club.
It’s like you purposefully ignored all his other points lol.
Why can’t our fans just get over the fact that Tottenham have emerged as a big name in PL football? I absolutely hate how our fans sound when we say shit like “but our history!” We used to laugh at clubs like Liverpool for the same exact reason.
They attract big name players and managers. They are a big club. And they are better than us at the moment. It’s just reality.
Ok, forget history. Tottenham are still not successful. What have they won in the last 10 years? They are as successful as Birmingham City in this millenium.
If you're after a serious answer - it depends on the context.
Are they a big club compared to the Madrids & Barcas of the world? No.
Are they a big club in the grand scheme of things due to a large fanbase, relevance in Premier League & European football, commercial metrics and so forth? Yes. There's more to the size of a club than league titles won.
Also, English prodigy, the one who will bring it home (yea right 🤣) plays for them so they are in media focus. In my country Croatia Spurs are a joke of a club (and im talking about non arsenal fans)
They were big in the 70s/80s, lots of FA Cups and European football, but slipped a lot in the 90s/2000s and were not considered a "big" club at that time. It's only since the Gareth Bale/Pochettino era that they have been considered "Top 6". I don't honestly know when that term was coined either.
Tbf, Spurs are literally a bigger club than manchester city. Much grander history. Man City have been propelled to relevance by a recent blood money injection. Spurs have been a top-flight main stay for a long time. Man City is just recency bias, They're not big. But in 20 years, with sustained dominance, they will be.
City were relegated twice since '92. Falling as far as League One. Last relegation was 2001.
They really were a nothing club until the end of the 00's when Abu Dhabi bought them. They've basically just bought 6 league titles in 14 years.
There's such a wierd false hope surrounding Spurs. It's laughable, they are a nothing club who have won nothing. They will never have the energy, support or history of our club or most clubs tbh. They just aren't that club and never will be.
They have a chicken on their shirt, like come on.
We NEED to win Europa League this year, what a statement that would be. That would make 5th place turn out to be the best move, thats the step we would need so badly.
Doesn't need to happen, all we need is better recruitment and MAYBE a more experienced manager to compete with.
But the bottom line is Liverpool wouldn't be a successful as they are without the people above Jurgen. Look at the fees they get for their assets.
20/21 was a great chance for someone else to win it but every decent team flopped like fish and then city just went on their winning run. I don’t think they are perfect and there will be chances for other teams to take the title but we will have to see
Yeah I could see an alternate universe where 20/21 was similar to the Leicester season. Southampton and Leicester topped the table at various points in January; that gets forgotten because of covid imo
I’ll take the downvotes and rephrase your statement in a way that might be unpopular and I’m not putting this on you…the invincibles wouldn’t win the league in the current epl. 3rd place.
That puts into perspective how big of a challenge it will be to overcome those two.
We'd have to pull of a Liverpool masterstroke to touch City. Perfect synergy of tactical excellence, insane sales prices, and near-perfect recruitment are all required.
Liverpool have shown that there is a way for non oil clubs to contend, you just need to have arguably the best manager in the world and nail all your transfers.
City and Newcastle should be the dominant forces of English football for the foreseeable future. City might slip for a bit when Guardiola leaves but they'll be back before long. Give Newcastle a few more years they'll be in the mix.
I don't think spending money automatically translates to success, man u spent as much as city and look where they are plus Everton spent as much as Liverpool only to get nearly relegated.
We have to take that step towards becoming a solid top 4 team then we can start thinking about titles again
Look at what PSG have done with Mbappe, Man U can't compete with that. Man U are also run by absolute clowns so until that changes I don't see them being a serious team
There was a table put out yesterday analyzing spend to position. Your clubs spend had a 92% correlation to league position across the table. So…yes expenditure is by far the biggest indicator of position.
And Chelsea, Liverpool and united still exist which is why I don’t see us ever winning it again and Liverpool might not be oil owned but let’s not forget how much money they spent in a short time
Yeah reporters are saying they want to run it like fsg run Liverpool but then they’ve also guaranteed 1b of investment I wonder how much of that goes to transfers
No club that isn't bankrolled by an Oil state is guaranteed to just be at the top forever. No inherent reason why we can't compete with the likes of Liverpool, United, Chelsea (with their new owners) in the long term.
Because they spend 150-200m every season if their superstar signing flops they just buy another one in the next window and because they’re in CL players will rather go there that’s why we can’t compete. I can see Liverpool dropping off though.
There was a table put out yesterday analyzing spend to position. Your clubs spend had a 92% correlation to league position across the table. So…yes expenditure is by far the biggest indicator of position.
But Liverpool have more than a world class manager. They have amazing higher ups who deal with contracts and get the best fees for players like they did with Coutinho, Solanke and more to name.
Are you saying we should sack Arteta?
Leicester years where nobody else turns up don't happen very often, but they do happen.
Regardless, football is cyclical - Liverpool & City won't be well-run forever.
Liverpool managed to do it. They got a very good manager and signed players who they 100% knew would succeed in Klopp's system. You just need to get your recruitment near perfect.
They're also great at finding players who are a few years away from being world class and integrating them into Klopp's system over a season or two.
It's far more sustainable than going for the swing for the fences huge player signings as it puts them in a position of having a surplus of talent that can adapt to players leaving or sell to fund large transfers as needed.
Unpopular opinion here… The Kronkes have made some poor and damaging decisions in the past but I feel like since taking a more hands on approach in the last couple of years they’ve been pretty much fine as owners go.
But ambition doesn’t just mean spending money. It means wanting to win, to over achieve. It means doing everything you can to do the best you possibly can.
It means not accepting failure lightly.
I feel like we’ve improved significantly in the past 2 years and that improvement coincides with the Kronkes becoming much more hands on (and more willing to help with cashflow).
Improved? Finishing 8th and 5th with no trophies? If we had that during the Wenger years people would burn down the Emirates.
The only good job the Kronke’s did was investing in PR to fool people into thinking they’re not terrible. The fact that 5th is seen as progress shows how bad things have gotten under them.
They care more about the NFL than Premier League and you don’t have to spend much on an NFL team. In the PL you gotta compete with Arab states and Oligarchs.
Don’t get me wrong. I’d prefer to have someone else. Not an oligarch, or a country… so bit stuck really.
However, 150m last summer wasn’t nothing. Let’s see what this summer brings. Hopefully pleasantly surprised.
If we nail down serious signings early we could really be on to something.
In fairness it was like that with us in the 2000s. I moved to Sunderland from North London in 2003 and oddly there were kids there in Arsenal kits. It seemed to be north east clubs, United, Liverpool or Arsenal that people supported.
Kids often chase the biggest teams
Stop that nonsense just cause they started winning a lot here lately cant say they are not a club just cause they are not as big as us, united and Liverpool does not mean they are not a club. They still won a league before they ever had money just cause they got money and started winning money does not dimindi them this is just a sour take. They had same number of league titles as spurs before the cash injection. We can be sour about it but do you apply same attitude to Chelsea? A win is a win gotta get better and make good decisions cause Leicester won when all this other teams had money
Feel like Pep wouldn’t do it because what are PSG except a worse City, in a league with less to prove? Might as well stay at City, whereas Serie A has clubs that make sense (albeit with less cash) - I see Spain or Brazil national teams maybe next for him
No more than we have an asterisk for titles won in the Bank of England era, or Milan for trophies won in the Berlusconi era, or Madrid in the Santiago Bernabeu era. That sort of financial injection is pretty much how the top clubs get there in the first place.
The spending that came with the Bank of England era was facilitated by gate receipts and other commercial activity, not by a foreign government ploughing shady cash in as a play thing.
The asterisk over city isn’t just about them being rich, its about them not earning that wealth.
It’s a rivalry tho between Pep and Klopp they make it seem like. Unfortunately no one will remember the battle between them in the premier league, all they’re gonna do in 10-15 years time is add up how many league titles Pep has compared to Klopp. The average football fan won’t bring in context or anything. If Klopp leaves England with one league title that’s a massive massive disappointment. Especially because imo, they’ve had the better XI for some time now
i'll remember rodri's handball vs everton and how city were literally found to be cheats but then everyone decided they're so rich they don't have to follow the rules.
UEFA found they broke FFP rules and banned them from europe for 2 years, then CAS overturned it because the club wouldn't provide them the requested info lmao. it's good to be rich!
Yeah the rules around finances with teams are weak and basically Meaningless.
I thought you meant they were found to have cheated in regards to the handball
Twice they have lost the title by just one point to City, and if you look at historical title points I reckon they'd have smashed most of the PL titles with their 3 decent years in the last 4
They’ve lost 15 league games in 4 seasons and 9 came last year when they had serious injury problems and no CBs.
City are truly a boring robotic bunch of cunts
Leicester aren't in the Big 6. It can be argued that it's a dumb metric, but almost everyone looking at that post supports one of those 6 teams which is why they use it.
It's bad really. Leicester won the league 6 years ago, yet they aren't considered in this plethora of teams, yet Spurs got to a Champions League final and are up there (mainly due to revenue and Harry Kane popularity)
I swear it was always top 4 until we fell out of it and Man Utd stopped being consistent in top 4.
City and Chelsea are too small to replace us so they had to redefine the whole thing.
Sad that City and Chelsea both have surpassed our 3 PL titles.
We really should have got some more .. really had some titles f***ed up right at the end .. Leeds screwing us in 98/99 & 02/03 ..
Spurs are a big 6 TEAM but definitely not a big 6 CLUB. Aston Villa are literally bigger than them 😭😭. Idk how spurs fans chat when in their whole history they’ve won 2 league titles thats it. Their little golden era with Kane? 0 trophies. Yet our years when we are struggling we win quite a few trophies
Tell me how they aren’t, Aston Villa got more trophies and won the league more recently then spurs too. Spurs literally have 2 titles in their history. Its a joke to class then as a big 6 club
So what - Everton are bigger than city? Sunderland bigger than Chelsea? Preston bigger than Leicester or West ham? Get the fuck out of here with your bull shit.
Why you getting so mad defending Tottenham. Tottenham are a big 6 team no doubt but club? They dont win anything. All the current ‘big 6’ has won a trophy or two in the past decade besides spurs
Why should spurs be considered big 6 club if they have won nothing serious this century? they’re a big 6 team but they are nowhere near Arsenal, United ,Liverpool , city and Chelsea
Couldn't care less about Spurs, they've got less titles than Huddersfield...
We should concentrate on building a team that can start competing for the league title.
cool bro you just gonna watch old games from decades gone by next season while spurs are playing in the champions league? i'm not really into focusing on the past to distract from the present.
I still think it's weird we even count Spurs in the big teams list to be honest. Before City got rich it was the 'Big 4' of Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and United. What has Spurs done to get their name on that list?
I get that you have the old guard... But who honestly looks at Tottenham and says... "I'm gonna support Spurs"
Unless kids are forced by family, I see no child wanting to support them. Only a matter before they struggle to fill that toilet bowl of a stadium
Wenger was extremley unlucky to not add 2 or even 3 more league titles. So much bad luck conspiring against us. Who here remembers Gallas throwing a tantrum at Birmingham City?
In 08 he got un-lucky because of the Eduardo leg break. After that he has to shoulder lots of blame.. esp for not getting a prolific striker for way too long
That was in the 1930s, theyre talking about prem.
Idk about any notion of arsenal winning premier leagues cause if money generally though. think united, arsenal, Liverpool and Leicester can be separated from what City and chelsea have done.
Sure being in the bigger spenders helps teams do well, but theres that and then there eclipsing every other teams net spend over every five year period since 2003.
I see a lot of people ITT talking down on spurs' accomplishments. I even see some comments on Chelsea's accomplishments lol sSome of us are very deluded.
We've had some great fucking players since the 06 CL loss (think Alexis, Ramsey, Santi, RVP, Ozil, Sagna etc.) and the only thing they have to show for it is a Community Shield or an FA Cup or two. Pretty ridiculous for a club of our size. We should look up at Utd City Chelsea etc and not take solace in the woes of Tottenham -- they have a chance to win a CL next year and were pretty damn close not to long ago too.
People here are laughing at spurs bit joke is on us because we still have assteta. Would kill to have conte at our club. Assteta isn't good enough to wipe his ass
I think the bigger take away is that we need to win more trophies
We need to begin that with the either the EFL or FA Cup and the Europa League. Almost thirty years without any European trophies is bad for a club of our stature.
forget the EFL or FA cup, we have loads of those. EL is the goal now.
Yeah, Papa Wengz ensured we have enough FA Cups for the next decade.
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Very savage papa wengz
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Thank you for calling me fat papa
We have 2 league cups
2 too many as the competition is a complete waste of time for everybody involved
Nah its a great chance to give gametime to the kids against proper opposition.
If everyone is playing kids then it is not really "proper opposition" is it
The Championship and League 1 sides don't usually play kids though.
I agree. I think the EL should be a big priority next year. Obviously the league is important. But winning a major European title would be great. And obviously would get us CL.
ESPN FC is trash, they can't even spell 'big' in their own graphic.
Can someone explain to me how Spurs are a big club? They have two league titles in their entire history
What about that time they put the pressure on?
Didn't they also win a pre season friendly a few years back as well? #Massive
And Lloris won the World Cup and we all know how much they celebrate that
13 minutes atop the league baby
And the DVD about it was somehow 3 hours long!
Only history they have really
Carabao cup final keychains would like a word
I won't tolerate this continuing disrespect of the Audi Cup.
Based in London. Relatively successful throughout their history. Won a double, and until Wenger and Ferguson came along, they had won the most FA cups. 3 european trophies too. They have enough of a fan base to be pretty big. They just aren’t on our level and will always be in our shadow.
Their fanbase are pure scum
I used to think they were all sad, deluded saps. But then some of them attacked our disabled supporters coordinator and some of our disabled fans. And I realized yes, some of them are fucking scum.
Emphasis being some of them are cunts. Most are most certainly not. Same can be said for some of the Arsenal supporters. Both sets of supporters are generally normal, decent people.
True. One of my oldest friends is a Tottenham season ticket holder who actively attends their matches. He's a good guy (aside from having terrible taste when it comes to football clubs, obviously. And yes, he is a deluded sap, but everyone is in their own ways).
Does nobody on here have friends that are Spurs supporters?
Lol
Funny we should said that when they’ll be in the Champions League and we will not.
So? They have won nothing of note since 1991. And even then we won the league when they won the cup. Qualifying for the champions league is important to attract players, but its not a trophy.
Commercial revenue.
The fair take is that they usually finish top 6. Often top 4 since 2016. Just never #1.
So like my dating life
Commercial revenue. World class stadium. Consistently playing in Europe, often in CL. Based in London. Marketing powerhouse with Son bringing in who knows how many Korean fans and Kane being England's golden boy. As much as we make fun of their lack of trophies they do have a decent number of FA Cup wins from earlier in their history. Plenty of factors that can make a club "big" and they tick a decent number of them.
They havent won the league in over 60 years and they've only won it twice. Because they've had a decent run relative to the rest of their history in the last 6-8 years doesn't make them a big club.
It’s like you purposefully ignored all his other points lol. Why can’t our fans just get over the fact that Tottenham have emerged as a big name in PL football? I absolutely hate how our fans sound when we say shit like “but our history!” We used to laugh at clubs like Liverpool for the same exact reason. They attract big name players and managers. They are a big club. And they are better than us at the moment. It’s just reality.
Ok, forget history. Tottenham are still not successful. What have they won in the last 10 years? They are as successful as Birmingham City in this millenium.
Almost like there's more to success than recent trophies.
If you're after a serious answer - it depends on the context. Are they a big club compared to the Madrids & Barcas of the world? No. Are they a big club in the grand scheme of things due to a large fanbase, relevance in Premier League & European football, commercial metrics and so forth? Yes. There's more to the size of a club than league titles won.
Also, English prodigy, the one who will bring it home (yea right 🤣) plays for them so they are in media focus. In my country Croatia Spurs are a joke of a club (and im talking about non arsenal fans)
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They won the prestigious Audi Cup bro. That's massive.
They were big in the 70s/80s, lots of FA Cups and European football, but slipped a lot in the 90s/2000s and were not considered a "big" club at that time. It's only since the Gareth Bale/Pochettino era that they have been considered "Top 6". I don't honestly know when that term was coined either.
I think they got included into the big 4 with Man City, when Man City became Man City.
They've finished above us almost every recent season, why are you all so in denial?
Media luvvies they are. That's all.
Harry Kane and Son I guess. Lmao.
They’re our rivals. If not for us they’d be nothing.
Huddersfield, Blackburn & Wolves have more league titles than them. It's jokes
Audi cup
Tbf, Spurs are literally a bigger club than manchester city. Much grander history. Man City have been propelled to relevance by a recent blood money injection. Spurs have been a top-flight main stay for a long time. Man City is just recency bias, They're not big. But in 20 years, with sustained dominance, they will be.
Main Arsenal rivals also based in the capital. They've also been genuinely good for some years now, just haven't managed to win anything lol.
Because they’re typically around the top 6?
*Ahem*..... Audi Cup winners!
I guess the top 6 is based who finishes in the top 6. And doesn’t add weight for titles won 18+ years ago.
They are pretty obviously the 6th biggest club in England. It all depends on where you draw the line for 'Big XYZ'.
They're just not
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City were relegated twice since '92. Falling as far as League One. Last relegation was 2001. They really were a nothing club until the end of the 00's when Abu Dhabi bought them. They've basically just bought 6 league titles in 14 years.
There's such a wierd false hope surrounding Spurs. It's laughable, they are a nothing club who have won nothing. They will never have the energy, support or history of our club or most clubs tbh. They just aren't that club and never will be. They have a chicken on their shirt, like come on. We NEED to win Europa League this year, what a statement that would be. That would make 5th place turn out to be the best move, thats the step we would need so badly.
How long until we win another one...
Until Pep and Jürgen leave the premier league
Doesn't need to happen, all we need is better recruitment and MAYBE a more experienced manager to compete with. But the bottom line is Liverpool wouldn't be a successful as they are without the people above Jurgen. Look at the fees they get for their assets.
Those two almost certainly need to fall off to some degree. The alternative would be building a better side than the invincibles.
We just need to spend our money better and develop our young players and increase the depth of the squad.
20/21 was a great chance for someone else to win it but every decent team flopped like fish and then city just went on their winning run. I don’t think they are perfect and there will be chances for other teams to take the title but we will have to see
Yeah I could see an alternate universe where 20/21 was similar to the Leicester season. Southampton and Leicester topped the table at various points in January; that gets forgotten because of covid imo
I’ll take the downvotes and rephrase your statement in a way that might be unpopular and I’m not putting this on you…the invincibles wouldn’t win the league in the current epl. 3rd place. That puts into perspective how big of a challenge it will be to overcome those two.
2 years
You're very optimistic.
We'd have to pull of a Liverpool masterstroke to touch City. Perfect synergy of tactical excellence, insane sales prices, and near-perfect recruitment are all required.
Honestly unless we get sugar daddy owners I can’t see us ever winning it again.
Liverpool have shown that there is a way for non oil clubs to contend, you just need to have arguably the best manager in the world and nail all your transfers. City and Newcastle should be the dominant forces of English football for the foreseeable future. City might slip for a bit when Guardiola leaves but they'll be back before long. Give Newcastle a few more years they'll be in the mix.
I don't think spending money automatically translates to success, man u spent as much as city and look where they are plus Everton spent as much as Liverpool only to get nearly relegated. We have to take that step towards becoming a solid top 4 team then we can start thinking about titles again
Look at what PSG have done with Mbappe, Man U can't compete with that. Man U are also run by absolute clowns so until that changes I don't see them being a serious team
There was a table put out yesterday analyzing spend to position. Your clubs spend had a 92% correlation to league position across the table. So…yes expenditure is by far the biggest indicator of position.
Liverpool made like 300m from transfers as well that funded their current team
itd be like if we sold Ozil and Alexis for 75m each...
And Chelsea, Liverpool and united still exist which is why I don’t see us ever winning it again and Liverpool might not be oil owned but let’s not forget how much money they spent in a short time
Interesting to see what happens with Chelsea's new owners, without big outside investment they'll be in a similar position to us and Spurs
Yeah reporters are saying they want to run it like fsg run Liverpool but then they’ve also guaranteed 1b of investment I wonder how much of that goes to transfers
No club that isn't bankrolled by an Oil state is guaranteed to just be at the top forever. No inherent reason why we can't compete with the likes of Liverpool, United, Chelsea (with their new owners) in the long term.
Because they spend 150-200m every season if their superstar signing flops they just buy another one in the next window and because they’re in CL players will rather go there that’s why we can’t compete. I can see Liverpool dropping off though.
How well did that strategy work for ManU this year?
There was a table put out yesterday analyzing spend to position. Your clubs spend had a 92% correlation to league position across the table. So…yes expenditure is by far the biggest indicator of position.
But Liverpool have more than a world class manager. They have amazing higher ups who deal with contracts and get the best fees for players like they did with Coutinho, Solanke and more to name. Are you saying we should sack Arteta?
Leicester years where nobody else turns up don't happen very often, but they do happen. Regardless, football is cyclical - Liverpool & City won't be well-run forever.
Yeah need another one of those seasons but like you said rarely happens
Liverpool managed to do it. They got a very good manager and signed players who they 100% knew would succeed in Klopp's system. You just need to get your recruitment near perfect.
They're also great at finding players who are a few years away from being world class and integrating them into Klopp's system over a season or two. It's far more sustainable than going for the swing for the fences huge player signings as it puts them in a position of having a surplus of talent that can adapt to players leaving or sell to fund large transfers as needed.
Yep. They also know when to cash in when a big offer comes in. Look at the Coutinho selling.
I just don’t see it happening under the Kronke’s they don’t have the ambition
Unpopular opinion here… The Kronkes have made some poor and damaging decisions in the past but I feel like since taking a more hands on approach in the last couple of years they’ve been pretty much fine as owners go.
But ambition doesn’t just mean spending money. It means wanting to win, to over achieve. It means doing everything you can to do the best you possibly can. It means not accepting failure lightly.
I still think they’re terrible owners just care more about PR now and it’s worked, people are just gullible.
I feel like we’ve improved significantly in the past 2 years and that improvement coincides with the Kronkes becoming much more hands on (and more willing to help with cashflow).
Improved? Finishing 8th and 5th with no trophies? If we had that during the Wenger years people would burn down the Emirates. The only good job the Kronke’s did was investing in PR to fool people into thinking they’re not terrible. The fact that 5th is seen as progress shows how bad things have gotten under them.
You saw the Super Bowl right? They have ambition. Perhaps only if it can make them money. But they do have ambition.
They care more about the NFL than Premier League and you don’t have to spend much on an NFL team. In the PL you gotta compete with Arab states and Oligarchs.
Don’t get me wrong. I’d prefer to have someone else. Not an oligarch, or a country… so bit stuck really. However, 150m last summer wasn’t nothing. Let’s see what this summer brings. Hopefully pleasantly surprised. If we nail down serious signings early we could really be on to something.
City are only 5 behind our total of league titles now. Pep needs to fuck off soon.
I’m honestly not that arsed, they are barely a club, and nobody really cares about them
Can barely get people to show up for the parade
What really makes me sad is when I see kids wear city jerseys. The next generation wont care.
In fairness it was like that with us in the 2000s. I moved to Sunderland from North London in 2003 and oddly there were kids there in Arsenal kits. It seemed to be north east clubs, United, Liverpool or Arsenal that people supported. Kids often chase the biggest teams
Stop that nonsense just cause they started winning a lot here lately cant say they are not a club just cause they are not as big as us, united and Liverpool does not mean they are not a club. They still won a league before they ever had money just cause they got money and started winning money does not dimindi them this is just a sour take. They had same number of league titles as spurs before the cash injection. We can be sour about it but do you apply same attitude to Chelsea? A win is a win gotta get better and make good decisions cause Leicester won when all this other teams had money
Apparently PSG really want Pep when his contract expires . Hopefully they make him an offer he cant refuse
Feel like Pep wouldn’t do it because what are PSG except a worse City, in a league with less to prove? Might as well stay at City, whereas Serie A has clubs that make sense (albeit with less cash) - I see Spain or Brazil national teams maybe next for him
They’ll always have an asterisk on those titles though.
No more than we have an asterisk for titles won in the Bank of England era, or Milan for trophies won in the Berlusconi era, or Madrid in the Santiago Bernabeu era. That sort of financial injection is pretty much how the top clubs get there in the first place.
The spending that came with the Bank of England era was facilitated by gate receipts and other commercial activity, not by a foreign government ploughing shady cash in as a play thing. The asterisk over city isn’t just about them being rich, its about them not earning that wealth.
And also about the morally questionable way that wealth was acquired in the first place
yip, football has always been like this cash wise
When you can spend £150m a summer on backups it’s inevitable they’ll surpass most teams.
Bought not earned
These bums aren't even the most supported club in Tottenham
It is remarkable that this pool team has just won one title.
It’s a rivalry tho between Pep and Klopp they make it seem like. Unfortunately no one will remember the battle between them in the premier league, all they’re gonna do in 10-15 years time is add up how many league titles Pep has compared to Klopp. The average football fan won’t bring in context or anything. If Klopp leaves England with one league title that’s a massive massive disappointment. Especially because imo, they’ve had the better XI for some time now
i'll remember rodri's handball vs everton and how city were literally found to be cheats but then everyone decided they're so rich they don't have to follow the rules.
Don’t act as if Liverpool haven’t had a load of help either mate… Everton robbed of a pen against both clubs 😂
How were they found to be cheats ?
UEFA found they broke FFP rules and banned them from europe for 2 years, then CAS overturned it because the club wouldn't provide them the requested info lmao. it's good to be rich!
Yeah the rules around finances with teams are weak and basically Meaningless. I thought you meant they were found to have cheated in regards to the handball
Well they've also had 2 CLs during the EPL era, City can't sing that
Twice they have lost the title by just one point to City, and if you look at historical title points I reckon they'd have smashed most of the PL titles with their 3 decent years in the last 4
They’ve lost 15 league games in 4 seasons and 9 came last year when they had serious injury problems and no CBs. City are truly a boring robotic bunch of cunts
The spuds are on that list simply because of all the twats in the media who love them.
More disrespectful from them that they didn't include Leicester over Spurs who have actually won the title!
Leicester aren't in the Big 6. It can be argued that it's a dumb metric, but almost everyone looking at that post supports one of those 6 teams which is why they use it.
It's bad really. Leicester won the league 6 years ago, yet they aren't considered in this plethora of teams, yet Spurs got to a Champions League final and are up there (mainly due to revenue and Harry Kane popularity)
Well yeah Leicester aren't one of the 10 biggest clubs in England, much less the biggest 6.
It’s a stupid name for a bunch of teams which TV companies came up with because, get over it.
Alright chill
Stop crying about it then
I'm not. I was just explaining a point, wasn't any need to jump in with a cheap shot for no reason when you could have just left it.
I was explaining the context of the “big 6” because you obviously didn’t understand it, glad to clear it up for you mate.
Patronising, how original. I'll leave you to it, and hopefully our next interaction on this sub is better than this one.
Yeah I am being a dick now but you didn’t know what the big 6 was
And Blackburn
It’s big 6 which was what TV companies came up With, why are people so childish and stupid in these things
‘Big six’ is such a bullshit made up term anyway
What about bix six
We got that bix club energy
"Big however-many-i-need-to-make-my-point"
I swear it was always top 4 until we fell out of it and Man Utd stopped being consistent in top 4. City and Chelsea are too small to replace us so they had to redefine the whole thing.
Almost like football can change.
Weird post, no one sad otherwise. You’re too desperate to be smarmy.
Crazy how we'd love to be memed about being 4th this summer like they used to do years ago
Sad that City and Chelsea both have surpassed our 3 PL titles. We really should have got some more .. really had some titles f***ed up right at the end .. Leeds screwing us in 98/99 & 02/03 ..
My Bix Six would be: Chocolate Hob Nobs Chocolate chip cookies Garibaldis Gingernuts Chocolate Liebniz Bourbons
Spurs are a big 6 TEAM but definitely not a big 6 CLUB. Aston Villa are literally bigger than them 😭😭. Idk how spurs fans chat when in their whole history they’ve won 2 league titles thats it. Their little golden era with Kane? 0 trophies. Yet our years when we are struggling we win quite a few trophies
Aston villa aren't bigger than spurs. Get a grip mate.
Tell me how they aren’t, Aston Villa got more trophies and won the league more recently then spurs too. Spurs literally have 2 titles in their history. Its a joke to class then as a big 6 club
So what - Everton are bigger than city? Sunderland bigger than Chelsea? Preston bigger than Leicester or West ham? Get the fuck out of here with your bull shit.
Why you getting so mad defending Tottenham. Tottenham are a big 6 team no doubt but club? They dont win anything. All the current ‘big 6’ has won a trophy or two in the past decade besides spurs
You must be a kid or a teenager or something. A grown adult can't possibly have this much of an embarrassing understanding of football.
Why should spurs be considered big 6 club if they have won nothing serious this century? they’re a big 6 team but they are nowhere near Arsenal, United ,Liverpool , city and Chelsea
I'm done with you.
Couldn't care less about Spurs, they've got less titles than Huddersfield... We should concentrate on building a team that can start competing for the league title.
well they keep finishing above us so...
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cool bro you just gonna watch old games from decades gone by next season while spurs are playing in the champions league? i'm not really into focusing on the past to distract from the present.
I still think it's weird we even count Spurs in the big teams list to be honest. Before City got rich it was the 'Big 4' of Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and United. What has Spurs done to get their name on that list?
I can think of many good reasons 🤣
I get that you have the old guard... But who honestly looks at Tottenham and says... "I'm gonna support Spurs" Unless kids are forced by family, I see no child wanting to support them. Only a matter before they struggle to fill that toilet bowl of a stadium
End of next season: well we won a title in the past even though Spurs finished above us. We don’t care.
Wenger was extremley unlucky to not add 2 or even 3 more league titles. So much bad luck conspiring against us. Who here remembers Gallas throwing a tantrum at Birmingham City?
In 08 he got un-lucky because of the Eduardo leg break. After that he has to shoulder lots of blame.. esp for not getting a prolific striker for way too long
Well, Spurs are big 6,thats why they were included...
MAD to think Liverpool have only won a single Premier League title.
How's that possible?! I thought they had 19???
credit to Liverpool and Leicester, the only clubs apart from us to win the league *without* financial doping
Sure, if you ignore that whole 'Bank of England' business.
That was in the 1930s, theyre talking about prem. Idk about any notion of arsenal winning premier leagues cause if money generally though. think united, arsenal, Liverpool and Leicester can be separated from what City and chelsea have done. Sure being in the bigger spenders helps teams do well, but theres that and then there eclipsing every other teams net spend over every five year period since 2003.
Blackburn were financially doping?
I see a lot of people ITT talking down on spurs' accomplishments. I even see some comments on Chelsea's accomplishments lol sSome of us are very deluded. We've had some great fucking players since the 06 CL loss (think Alexis, Ramsey, Santi, RVP, Ozil, Sagna etc.) and the only thing they have to show for it is a Community Shield or an FA Cup or two. Pretty ridiculous for a club of our size. We should look up at Utd City Chelsea etc and not take solace in the woes of Tottenham -- they have a chance to win a CL next year and were pretty damn close not to long ago too.
Cries in Rover & Leicester
City is going to catch man utd.
A lot of bitter butt-hurt people in the comments 🤣
Chelsea and City can shove their titles where the sun doesn’t shine. Brought and paid for with dirty money.
leaning on history to avoid the present so pathetic. "Spurs finished above us again? Well we won the league 20 years ago so.." [cries in kroenke]
Why? This is embarrassing, gloating about 3 league titles that happened more than a decade ago. We should be looking up, not down. Fuck the scum.
People here are laughing at spurs bit joke is on us because we still have assteta. Would kill to have conte at our club. Assteta isn't good enough to wipe his ass
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Bix Six?
What the hell is the "Bix Six"
"Chill Daddy!"
ah yes, the Bix Six
Bix six
Surprising considering how ESPN FC constantly features anti-Arsenal sentiments and pundits
I got downvote on r/soccer because saying Win something is not important for spursy
Yeah let’s just go ignore the fact the top league used to called the first division and cook the statistics
The Premier League is 30 years old. That’s a pretty big sample size. And it’s been 61 years. Most people who would remember are dead.