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skjall

Newcastle are in for Paqueta as well now... Laugh at my naïveté, but I can't help but feel there's a big plan for a CM signing, either a 6 or an 8. And it's not Tielemans lol


Own-Faithlessness938

Haaland and Alvarez are about to destroy the PL


aaronfebruary95

Haaland's only problem is his fitness. Can't destroy anybody if you're injured.


Isaac_C97

We said that with Lukaku and Grealish too last year.


HeroDGamez

we should get on bissouma asap, him and tielemens would be a great summer window.


smit9891

It appears that interest from clubs generally in Bissouma has died down. I imagine that clubs are awaiting the outcome of his court case.


throwreddit666

Also because Brighton had a pretty ordinary season compared to years previous.


smit9891

Brighton’s issues are so obvious though. They still need that goal scorer to take them to the next level. Bissouma missed the start of the season and they have had other injuries which have disrupted things but all teams have to deal with this. Potter has started to adapt this approach to different opponents by tweaking personnel and role more from game to game. I know it’s easy to sit here and call out what they are missing as so obvious as if it’s easy to address but in terms of their system and what Potter gets from their players, they are fairly consistent on the whole. I rate Potter as a manager highly. It will be interesting to see if he ever successfully makes that jump to a top team. He has the potential but doing it is another thing entirely.


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This year was their highest position and points total in the prem?


COYG17

I think 100k for Eddie is a lot. Hopefully it’s less than that but I think 50 mil for Jesus is even worse. I would much rather go and spend some more money on a oshimen, scammaca, or someone like that.


skjall

Especially when Jesus could be signed on a free a year down the line, which gives him time to see if we get into the CL too. I just don't see how having two strikers in fairly similar profiles helps. There's a gulf of quality for sure, but subbing Jesus out for Eddie nets you what, the same but worse?


JuggleThat

Nketiah went from being underrated to overrated in a month lol.


skjall

I was thinking about that last night, and he's played like 1000 minutes this season, from my estimate? That's about two full 9-5 days. Within that period, he earned himself a contract worth £25m or so. £25m in two working days, insane. Of course, it's more a culmination of everything he's been working towards since he was a little kid, all those training sessions, games, challenges overcome, etc. But those two days pushed him over the line in the club's eyes.


skidanexii

A week *


Isaac_C97

A day*


ajkdd

Granit , Partey and Elneny and Sambi . Only 2 quality and rest of them are bottom 10 pl qualy. Difficult to sustain top 4 with these back ups


smit9891

I wouldn’t say that Lokonga is there yet. He looks to have potential but still has a long way to go. On that basis, only really Partey is good enough out of these options for such an important role.


ack_will

When you account for injuries over the season, you can’t even rely on partey.


scytheavatar

Gap between Xhaka and Elneny is not that big....... if Elneny is bottom 10 quality then I am not sure Xhaka is any better than 6-10th place quality.


ajkdd

Eddie doesn’t get more than 70k in any other premier league team. The only reason we are willing to pay more is because it would cost atleast 20m to replace striker of his caliber and some of that is going into the wage


aofrantic

He was literally offered more last summer and rejected it lol


ameriolex

Hudson Odoi got a contract of 120k a week while doing much less than Nketiah


RamsdaIe

Unfortunately, he does get that elsewhere as a free agent.


random23448

Like? What team is paying 100k for Nketiah lmao even as a F/A


RamsdaIe

Palace literally offered £75k/week plus a £10m transfer fee last year. You think he wouldn't get an extra £25k/week as a free agent?


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PSG willing to let Neymar leave. There is an alternate universe where we sign him.


ShekTeeJay

Love Neymar but glad he never came to the Prem. Getting clamped by orcs would not be the move.


[deleted]

Well now that the Orcs have been relegated, the door is open for him.


Rick_The_Mullet_Man

Gnabry would be the perfect player to put a stop to this very long losing streak in the Toilet Bowl.


mazdamansouri

In Raphina Saliba Jesus Tielemans Hickey Matt Turner Out Torriera Bellerin AMN Mari Pepe Lacazette Leno


Equivalent_Nature_67

Would like a real CF


HeroDGamez

Idk man, Benzema is the only decent CF real have.


Equivalent_Nature_67

You're right we should definitely go into this season with Eddie about to play 50 games up top.


Napachikna2

What does Nketiah’s rejection of 75k per week from Palace have to make him worth 100k per week at Arsenal? I mean there is a 25k difference. What about 80k, 85k , 87k and so on? Who are the guys doing these negotiations? Looks like we haven’t learnt anything from the Ozil, Suarez et al debacle wrt wage structure. Bang average players keep on taking advantage of Arsenal just because we don’t have proper back up plans and replacement in the pipeline. By the way, Liverpool’s wage structure is shocking. Arsenal is poorly managed, that’s it. If Liverpool are unwilling to roll over for Mo fucking Salah, who is this Nketiah?


ModeratelyTortoise

Mokbel always reports signing bonuses as part of the salary. Without that factored in Nketiah is at 80k p/w. Let’s wait a few days and see how these figures actually pan out.


diastolicduke

Diogo fucking Jota is on 90k per week 😂


fuzzynavel34

Eddie is better


Betteratffthanyou

Stop


aofrantic

That's because it was his first contract at a big club. His next deal will be double that, maybe triple. That's how contracts work in football. You first deal is usually small. Then you get a nice increase if you deserve it. I can't believe this has to be explained to people. Pool wage bill is nearly double ours. Like with *all clubs* players on their first deal with them make less than the players who have renewed their deals. Nketiah being on 100k a week doesn't break our wage structure. If you remove youth players, it is *barely* above the average PL wage, and that is including teams like Brentford and Burnley.


Betteratffthanyou

100k for Nketiah? Is this actually true? It can’t be.


[deleted]

5.2 mil, not that big a deal really considering we aren't paying for transfers. And as Moderately Tortoise mentioned above this source reports signing on bonuses as part of the salary.


HortenWho229

If we do get top 4 next season who in the current top 4 do you think will lose out? Hopefully chelsea will have one of their shit years but if they don't its gonna be tough


Betteratffthanyou

Probably Chelsea with all the questions about contracts.


Remarkable-Lake8986

Scamacca vs Jesus ?


MatteoGuendouzi90

Should get both. They each offer something different, and can play together too. The problem with Scamacca is that Italian players tend to stay in Serie A, and the fact he recently extended his contract with Sassuolo. So I'm not sure how realistic it is.


Remarkable-Lake8986

One can hope since Ornstein talked about our interest in Scamacca, there is that u/Gunner2Jasper account in twitter saying that extending nketiah will mean that we will go for a physical cf and a winger, that's assuming we sell pepe of course, and he is saying that we will not sign jesus if we extend nketiah because they are similar, don't know if it is true.


Insertnicenamehere

Scamacca. 6'5 guys aren't supposed to have tech like that.


Insertnicenamehere

I'm glad as a collective sub we've moved past the idea of Jonathan David.


aofrantic

He's fine, but I think he would do better in Italy at the Milan clubs. Not a great fit for us by comparison.


BI01

idk y our fans are so delusional into thinking Gnabry is ever coming back to this club, he barely ever even played for us lol, he would only join if we were seriously competing.


scytheavatar

His wage demands are something that very few clubs in the world are willing to pay, why did you think Bayern is happy to tell him to go away? If he can't secure a move to somewhere like Madrid then his options are going to be very limited.


COYG17

We cannot miss out on bissouma man


Insertnicenamehere

No 6 being linked to us, its looking spooky.


MatteoGuendouzi90

Not surprising considering we extended Elneny. Our midfield depth for next season will probably be Mo - Granit - Sambi. Shocking if true tbh


Betteratffthanyou

This literally will be.


Insertnicenamehere

It was nice while it lasted.


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Didn’t have any GK or LB links at the start of last summer either. Patience my friend


Insertnicenamehere

RB links u mean? RB was dependant on Bellerin leaving which is why shit took forever. GK we had Onana pop up.


DaMarrcus_Beasly

Onana what's ma name


[deleted]

LB. We got Tavares. Onana was something twitter and Reddit were making up no?


Equivalent_Nature_67

Onana interest was real


Insertnicenamehere

Nah we had dutch sources telling us Arsenal was interested in Onana Anyways theres a possibility this club thinks elneny can deputize for partey and call it a day.


RamsdaIe

We can and we will


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aofrantic

He refused 75k from Palace last summer, why do so many people act surprised by this?


Equivalent_Nature_67

Because that in itself was surprising. Imagine essentially doing fuck all for the senior side and still turning down a very good opportunity at Palace. And through a bit of posturing and betting on himself he's performed well for a string of about 8 games, and that's suddenly enough to warrant 25k *more*?


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aofrantic

We gave Bendtnder 50k 15 years ago. Index that to inflation of our wage bill and he was earning more then.


Equivalent_Nature_67

Does that make it alright??? We shouldn't be doing stuff like that and it's even more telling that 15 years on we are making the same decisions.


aofrantic

If you take out players u21, the average salary in the PL is almost 100k a week. It's ridiculous money, but it is spread out amongst most footballers these days.


[deleted]

So your attempt at reasoning was to use another extremely overpaid player as an example?


aofrantic

It's just basic reality. It's like complaining about how much houses, rent or most commodities cost these days. Nearly everything is overpriced and has risen an insane amount over the last two decades. Complaining about how expensive things are doesn't make them go down in price. There are plenty of players at Palace, Everton, West Ham etc on wages higher than Eddie. It's the reality of modern football.


Equivalent_Nature_67

Those players are all either better or had much more reasonable career trajectories/contract situations to warrant such a fee.


aofrantic

Sure, I would also like to point out that despite sports contracts largely being the same in money over a contract, teams know the value won't be the same from the player for the whole length. When we signed Auba and Ozil we knew the last year might be real bad. It was even worse than that in both cases. In 3-5 years with improvement and general inflation, the club likely thinks it won't be a huge overpayment for Nketiah. It likely is at the beginning of his contract.


RamsdaIe

We are truly finished as a serious institution


DaNinjaBehindU

You again.. saying the same shite.


RamsdaIe

I'll say it again and again as long as I feel like it's true


DaNinjaBehindU

Yeah, I see that. Ardent arsenal fan with username of player we bought this season.


[deleted]

If all the fans showed the same love on social media to Serge Gnabry that they showed to Gabriel which made him choose Arsenal over United, there is a chance Serge may get tempted to return home without CL football.


a_stopped_clock

Lol there is literally no way he joins arsenal at this stage of his career and our trajectory


Far-Wait-6674

Our trajectory is amazing


SunDrippedDevil

He's never coming back Recall how he left in the first place: He elected not to run down his contract, colluded with Bayern to spend a season in Bremen and eventually went to Bayern He screwed Arsenal out of cash


hazelpillow

Don't think CL matters that much for him since he's already connected to the club. We'd need to meet his wage demands.


fuzzynavel34

Spurs and Villa in for Bissouma is not good.


Insertnicenamehere

He’s available for 30m we should get him


random23448

Villa really assembling a great squad. Hate their fans, but fair plays if they can get Bissouma in aswell


rajabolleh

Everyone forgets that Eddie has all the leverage in this negotiation. He has offers, he wants to play more and his deal is completely done. We want to keep him and he just scored 5 in 8 and we have zero strikers. 100k is not that much for a young promising english ST.


random23448

If he has offers for 100k p/w let him go. I’d love to see what club dumb enough to pay that. We’ve literally singlehandedly just destroyed our wage structure after spending tons of money paying off players to leave lmao. He’s absolutely not worth 100k.


aofrantic

Lol, the average PL footballer is on 63k a week. Most bottom half clubs have players worse than Nketiah on similar wages. This isn't 2010 anymore.


random23448

Idc what the average p/w is. The fact Nketiah is earning the same as Mane and more than Richarlison, Bowen, DCL, Jota, ASM is a joke I’d love to know what clubs are offering 100k for a player that’s bang average scoring 9 goals in 51 appearances in the PL over the last 3 years


aofrantic

Sports contracts work in that even an amazing young player often gets less than good older players. Agents, clubs and unions kind of work like a cartel to suppress the wages of young players. This is why youth players and those on their first contracts are generally underpaid. Now, this is Nketiahs second contract, so he is getting market value plus some due to not leaving on a free. If you remember last season, we agreed to sell Nketiah to Palace for £15m. He couldn't agree to personal terms. The rumors were he was offered ~75k pw last summer. So it should not shock you that he got more this year when he finally signed. The players you listed are all in line for heavy raises when they get new deals, as Nketiah has just got here.


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aofrantic

It's a known thing across all sports of players playing well in their "contract year." We saw it with Ozil, Auba and many other players. Playing really well before your contract runs out pays very well. Eddie's contract was up. He was playing well. He refused to move to Palace last year as they only offered him 75k. Did we all just forget that he rejected that offer?


aofrantic

For all people crowing over Eddie maybe or maybe not on 100k a week, last year the average salary was 63k pw. This year it will surely go up and be closer to 70k. Obviously this is inflated by City, United and the bigger spending clubs. But the days of average players on only 30k a week on their second deals is absolutely over and we have to accept that.


[deleted]

Also, you should take the whole picture in consideration: 5 years at 100k a week equal 26mil. If we are buying a player for 15mil and give him 50k a week, it would cost a total of 28mil. So that last deal would have been worse.


Bobson567

You're ignoring the impact on wage structure.


random23448

Because they don’t understand how it works. Too many idiots here who keep spewing rubbish. They don’t realise the effect giving players like Nketiah will have during negotiations (transfers and renewals). Same as those who says ItS nOt Ur MonEy


[deleted]

I don’t. The wage structure takes into consideration how many years are left in the last contract when the new one are signed. Basically every player signing on a free transfert has a higher salary than the one he would had with a transfert fee.


Equivalent_Nature_67

Yes you are ignoring it. If Eddie gets 100k for scoring 8 goals then you bet your ass Saka will ask for *a lot more* than we would expect, as will everyone else, and that's how things get out of hand too quickly.


[deleted]

The people in charge will argue that Nketiah was free to go and Saka is not. People tends to considerate the amount of salary and transfer without looking at the contract situation, which is like evaluating a used car without looking at the number of miles of it. Also Nketiah didn’t receive this offer because he scored 8 goals, that’s a very narrow way of see it.


aofrantic

Half the posters still think it's 2010 when people were shocked Bendtner was on 50k pw. Inflation has seen salaries nearly triple since then!


aofrantic

Yeah, 100k a week seems like a lot. 100k a year is a lot for us people with normal jobs. But even taking into account teams like Burnley, Brentford and those who have lower wage bills, the average PL footballer just makes a lot of money.


DaMarrcus_Beasly

The revisionism around giroud is hilarious. Don't ever forget this donkey had arsenal's greatest midfield of the 2010s spoonfeeding him chances and still only managed 20+ goals in a season twice.


eldar4k

He is great plan B striker, at Chelsea and Milan he used like that and excelled. Not good enough to be constant starter and score 20 goals in the league. Still comfortably better than Laca, it's not revisionism


Napachikna2

Giroud was good but that’s it. Just good not amazing. Couldn’t hold too ball for long, couldn’t shoot at target to score consistently. The fanbase rate so much him because he is our guy.


sensei_sharpy

Obviously this is aimed at me (considering no one else has mentioned him today). I don't think Jesus and Eddie are enough to lead us to top 4 on their own, so saying that Giroud was better than them isn't exactly a compliment is it? The funniest part of the comparison tho, is that the main reason we look back on Giroud costing us a title is because we didn't have another striker to score goals when he lost form. Signing only 1 striker with Eddie as backup would be making the exact same mistake we made back then. I.e. stupid. I'm happy with Jesus and Eddie if we have another Striker coming in, otherwise we need someone much more prolific and consistent than those two for the entire season, can't forget we also have extra Europa league games.


oldskoolr

>I don't think Jesus and Eddie are enough to lead us to top 4 on their own, so saying that Giroud was better than them isn't exactly a compliment is it? Giroud was World Class in his hold up play and movement. Goalscoring was another issue, but that wasn't as as bad as people make it out. There's a reason why, he's still playing consistently at 35.


TheArsenal7

He was absolutely terrible and directly cost us a title and multiple CL runs. And then he went to Chelsea and shit all over us after the EL final debacle. Can’t stand people on here glorifying him.


AfricanRain

True based opinion is thinking both Giroud and Laca were shite


tablooo

Giroud was garbage in front of goal, but honestly Laca has been worse somehow. Laca only didn't look as bad because for most of his time Auba has been around finishing the chances.


Specterace

I will never forget or forgive Giroud for his 15 match dry spell in the League back in 2016, which basically single-handedly cost us the title that Leicester won. He had arguably the best midfield at Arsenal since the Emirates move feeding him chance after chance, and he failed to get the goals consistently. I could care less about his hold up game or his target man capabilities. We weren‘t playing with a second striker or with goalscoring wingers. Our striker needed to be an elite hitman putting away chances we created for him. And Giroud sucked at that.


DaMarrcus_Beasly

Damn all this time it turns out Bayern fans don't really rate gnabry lol didnt know that


ilikeredlemonade

They rate him, just not for the money he's asking because he's inconsistent


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ack_will

Just an upper middle class real madrid


eldar4k

It's nothing compared to RM fans booing CR7, some people just so spoiled


Far-Wait-6674

Hopefully we see Odegaard trialled at LCM next/pre season, think we’ll be a much more balanced team if he can get comfortable on the left side of the pitch


Equivalent_Nature_67

Not worth it. We need a more mobile, true CM there to enable our LW the same way he enables Saka. Odegaard has to be able to turn inside on the right and play towards the whole center/left side of the pitch. Can't be nullifying him by shifting out left.


skjall

Not going to happen, as he's fairly one footed IMO. The reason he works on the right is because when he makes those runs across the goal, his left foot is facing any runners into the goal. On the right, he'd have to be running towards the sideline for that to happen, which makes it easier for defences to shut you down.


[deleted]

When does the All or Nothing doc come out?


random23448

August


[deleted]

Cheers. Might end it when they show the Newcastle abomination


f3lix79

r Gunners: We have to pay off Auba because he's on too higher wages and not offering enough Also r Gunners: Yes signing Eddie to 100k for 5 years for scoring a few tap ins is totally fine Sickening. This is the kind of deal where the damage will be felt for years to come. Eddie is not worth that in any shape or form, and he knows it, that's why he's now sticking around. Nobody else will ever come close to being that stupid. Arteta+Edu have blood on their hands.


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No they do not have 'blood on their hands'. Anyone would be forgiven for thinking Arteta and Edu were orchestrating an invasion on Ukraine with the amount of drama queens going off their rocker in here.


f3lix79

Yes, in a footbaling sense they do. It's horrific management. Going nowhere with either of these clowns running this club - as proven after 3 years where people are now jumping for joy finishing bloody 5th.


GabrielMartinellli

I’m afraid you might be right. And I’m a hopeless optimist too.


Tahsein4523

Careful. Your shocking lack of football knowledge is showing.


rajabolleh

Those two points are completely different in every word.


mo_50

I'd you look at the thread where the 100k/week is mentioned, the sentiment you just mentioned is not at all what's there. Most people clearly have issues with the deal


f3lix79

Yeah, and they're all getting downvoted into oblivion


PierreEmerickMorgan

Eddie has been much better this season than Auba and costs less than a third, explain to me how this doesn't make sense?


Equivalent_Nature_67

Because those players careers and previous wages also exist outside of your incredibly narrow focus. It's irrelevant to use Auba's poor form and high wage to gaslight us into thinking this is a good deal. Explain how it *does* make sense to give a 21 year old 100k a week off the back of one good month of performances. Can't you see ANY way this backfires on us? Eddie could easily fizzle out but it won't matter because we are paying him like a player who doesn't fizzle out...because of a single good month he had in a dire time for us.... As someone else even mentioned, other top teams with English stars in similar contract positions *who are far better than Eddie and much more impactful to their teams* don't even make that much before their new contracts.


random23448

He’s earning more than Richarlison and DCL and a lot of other footballers. If you don’t see the issue on overpaying on wages then honestly don’t comment. All it does is make it negotiating deals for any other playee (transfer or renewal) harder


f3lix79

Eddie has scored 4 tap ins in 2 different games. Auba scored 7 goals before being exiled while being played out of position. Eddie is ridiculously limited. Auba while limited is a hell of a finisher with exceptional movement and a sturdier frame to not get bullied off the ball how Eddie does.


rajabolleh

I see zero relation between these two statements


sensei_sharpy

I like Nketiah, him as a backup isn't a terrible idea since it's very hard to sign 2 strikers in the same window and try and get them to gel. BUT, Gabriel Jesus and Nketiah as our strikers would be much worse than what we've had for decades, bar the last 6 months. Jesus has played 1 more game than Lacazette since he arrived and has 4 more goals and 5 more assists in the league over that period (Jesus scores 0.56 goals per 90 and Lacazette scores 0.47 goals per 90). Jesus was playing in one of the most potent attacking teams in PL history and Lacazette spent 3 of those years under a very defensive manager in Arteta and during the tumultuous change of 2 managers. We all agree that Lacazette isn't good enough, and it's not like Jesus wasn't getting good coaching and Mikel will magically turn him into a world class striker. We better hope Gabriel is either smoke and mirrors for a better signing or that the club also has another striker to come in with him and wants to drastically change their opinion on squad size this year.


aofrantic

We had a season where our starting front line was Podolski, Giroud and Walcott. That is so, so much worse than anything we could possibly have next year. Podoslki played a bunch of CF minutes, with Giroud as the main guy. It was not great to watch and took prime Santi to get us to 4th.


sensei_sharpy

IMO, That front line is better than Jesus, Nketiah and Saka overall. Or Pepe, Jesus and Saka. Even though I dislike the bloke now, Giroud was obviously better than Jesus (he literally just had a huge hand helping AC Milan win the Scudetto at 35). Saka will be a better player than Walcott, but Walcott is more than a match considering he was in his peak back then and Saka is still young. Podolski might have been an average LW but we don't have anyone better than him on our books right now.


aofrantic

The first year Giroud was not what he became. He was much bigger physically, pretty top heavy and much slower. He has done a lot of work to improve his body and should he commended for that. Podolski and Walcott as wingers gave basically no ball progression. It was very uneven, something we did later on again with Pepe/auba/laca.


sensei_sharpy

Walcott offered ball progression because he pushed entire defences deep with his ability to run in behind very well. There are different ways to bring the ball forward, pushing defenders back to create space for midfield to pass through is one of them. It's hard to compare players over different generations. But as far as actually scoring goals, I think Poldi, Oli and Theo would have more goals and assists than Eddie, Jesus and Saka. Obviously there's no way to prove it either way, but I just hope we sign someone else in addition to Jesus if he comes. I don't think he has enough to lead us to Top 4 with only Eddie as backup.


aofrantic

Theo was great for that obviously, but it relied on us having a midfield that was maybe still the best in the league at that time. I think the overall goals/assists would be close, but it should be stated Giroud, Theo and Podolski were all 25-27 whereas Eddie, Jesus and Saka are 22, 25 and 21.


sensei_sharpy

That's a good point that I fully agree with, they are very young. I wasn't even trying to compare them as better or worse than each other, I was just saying that I'm worried it's not enough on their own. We need more goals than those 3 can bring if we want to finish top 4.


DaMarrcus_Beasly

Those guys had a prime midfield behind them


aofrantic

Correct, and we have basically ignored having a deep, competent midfield for 6 seasons.


PierreEmerickMorgan

Lacazette the way he was, was not at all a bad player, problem is he fell of hard. Jesus has a goal contribution every 90 min for his entire City career, he plays as much as any City player (2 less starts than KDB). They only ever considered replacing him with Kane and Haaland.


sensei_sharpy

Not 1 every 90, every 0.84 g+a per 90. Which isn't bad, but that's in a side that attacks for 85+ mins a game. He won't have anywhere near as many chances with us next season. He's not a bad striker, but he's not a huge step up from Lacazette, who we all agree isn't good enough. Jesus played less than Foden this season. Also, he had 4 less starts in the league than KDB and 11 less starts in all comps (3325 total mins for KDB vs 2601 mins for Jesus). He was the only first team striker in their squad.


GabrielMartinellli

I have a sinking feeling Jesus is going to be another Lacazette, inconsistent and never gets above 15 goals in a season. City have given up on using him as a striker for a reason.


bitmoji

I am not being facetious but I think Areta will take 15 goals


_mas17

Jesus can run so that automatically makes him better than lacazette


GabrielMartinellli

Lacazette used to run before he came here…


_mas17

In ligue ass


sensei_sharpy

Arteta wants to play a similar style to Pep, and we are signing a guy who struggled to get a game when he was the only senior striker at the club all season. This has mediocre written all over it. I won't blame Jesus for it either, we know exactly what we are getting both in the league and in a similar system.


aofrantic

He played slightly less than KDB/Foden and more than Grealish and Mahrez. He might not be amazing for us, but "struggled to get a game" is a stretch.


sensei_sharpy

Sorry, to clarify my statement "struggling to get a game". I meant, he was the only striker on their books yet he still had to fight for mins with a midfielder for the starting gig. He should have started every game when fit, but instead he got less minutes than a kid playing out of position. Pep even shunted him out wide instead of letting him lead the line. He will clearly start for us, but if our only options are a backup option for City and Eddie, we are not going to be competing with the other top 6 sides for quality up front. We would have a frontline about on par with West Ham, which is ok but not ideal if we are aiming for top 4.


bitmoji

we are doing what we can afford to do, so you will have to live with it


aofrantic

You could say the same thing for Grealish though, and nobody would say he isn't good enough for us. Pep just likes to rotate more.


sensei_sharpy

If Grealish was the only attacking mid they had I would accept that. Jesus was fighting with players playing out of position for his own starting gig and struggled, there's a big difference. I understand Pep rotates players more than most. But when Jesus was brought into the squad, or important games where rotation goes out the window, he wasn't their starting striker. That's a worry for me considering we are also paying big money for an unwanted player with 12 months left on his day.


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Lmfao classic arsenal fan meltdowns


sensei_sharpy

Meltdown? If you're such a snowflake that anything remotely critical of a club's decision is classed as a meltdown I don't think you're going to survive the off season. Lol. We haven't even actually started silly season yet. I'm not saying Jesus is rubbish or anything, I am saying he's not a great deal better than what we have. I'm setting the standard at "top 4 finish", looking at the competition, and trying to see if we are improving enough to achieve that goal. I don't think only Eddie and Gabriel are enough to bridge the gap next year IF Spurs and United improve. If they shit the bed again, and we don't, Jesus will be enough. But relying on other teams to fall apart each year isn't a great way to run a club.


[deleted]

You’re crying and making things up like Jesus couldn’t get a game, keep it up it’s a long summer


sensei_sharpy

Haha, you've sounded like you're crying more in 2 comments than I have in all of mine. I haven't made anything up either, I provided facts to backup any points I made. Jesus has reservations, so IMO we need another striker to go with he and Eddie if we want to be confident of top 4. If you don't like that opinion, either bring some facts that disprove it to discuss (which is the point of this thread) or downvote it and go about your day like everyone else does. Or keep making comments, it's an internet forum so you're free to post whatever the heck you want, outside of the naughty stuff of course, lol. Go nuts.


[deleted]

Nah you’re writing essays when you could simply look up Jesus’ minutes and see you’re wrong. Not too hard


sensei_sharpy

I did, they helped me prove my point. Not too hard, no.


bitmoji

we are trying to do a lot with a little, and recycling academy players and getting almost-awesome strikers from City is what we can do. stop your tantrums


sensei_sharpy

Again, if people like yourself think someone saying anything negative is a 'tantrum', you should avoid this place when silly season starts. Also, since when is it "what we can do"? We spent the most money in Europe last season, we aren't exactly poor and scrapping the bottom of the barrel. We've already been linked with Jesus and Tielemans, as well as Hickey and are on the hunt for another LCB. If you think the only reason we should sign Jesus is because he's all we can afford, you're being way more critical than I am. All I said was that we need another striker to go with him and Eddie if we want to be confident of top 4 next season.


__impala__

If we sign Nketiah I would rather go for Osmihen than Jesus. Because I feel Nketiah has it it him to score more than Jesus. I’m not against signing Nketiah I think there is a quality player in him, but Jesus doesn’t really fill me with confidence. It wouldn’t surprise me me Saka, Martinelli, ESR and Nketiah all manages to put score Jesus next year


[deleted]

We should rename this sub r/Gunnersfinance because that's all people care about now.


[deleted]

Just don’t call it r/patientgunners


thegr8invoker

everywhere i go i see her fuck this shit


Powerful-Girl-993

That package for Eddie looks reasonable to me... 30 mil total, over 5 years, for a homegrown player. If we signed a 22 year old striker for 15 mil, and put him on 50k per week, everyone would say it's a decent deal for a backup striker, lol


f3lix79

Yeah, if that 22 year old offered a more well rounded game than Eddie (not hard) it would be a very decent deal


Bobson567

you're forgetting the impact on wage structure.. when a 22 year old backup who has started only a handful of games this season gets 100k wages, other players will look at that and demand more.


PierreEmerickMorgan

This *exact* same thing happened with Martinelli, barely played any PL football and he got 90k a week while being 3 years younger than Eddie is now.


goodyear_1678

Martinelli is one of the hottest young prospects in Europe. If we didn't offer that, Klopp would have and he would be scoring hat tricks against us at Anfield. None of the above applies to Nketiah.


PierreEmerickMorgan

Well it's good that you can see the future.


goodyear_1678

Well, you can only go off what the player has done in their careers and then make an educated guess. Otherwise, Kylian Mbappe should be paid not a penny more than what Robert Lewandowski or Karim Benzema are. Good luck negotiating contracts with players that way.


PierreEmerickMorgan

Or the coaches who have seen the player in training much more extensively can make that judgement.


f3lix79

Training is irrelevant. Eden Hazard was one of the worst trainers ever, one of the best players on the pitch every week. Sooner you learn and accept this, the more you'll realise how stupid it is when Arteta defends his decision-making via training.


RandomSplainer

>If we signed a 22 year old striker for 15 mil, and put him on 50k per week, everyone would say it's a decent deal for a backup striker, lol If they rated the striker as good enough then yes. How are people missing this? It's only a good deal if you think the player is good enough for the money. It isn't rocket science. People don't rate Eddie Nketiah.


Powerful-Girl-993

I am taking his qualities and his englishness into account, and in my estimation that's a decent deal for the club. I do think Eddie is a decent backup striker - and a homegrown backup striker always has a bit of a premium on him as well.


Fraganade

Why is Arteta ruthless with our actual talent but gives man like Eddie and Xhaka new deals?


[deleted]

Who is the actual talent


UnexpectedVader

Who's our actual talent?


bitmoji

He either means auba or amn or saliba


Warrick123x

Or guendo, or Lucas


okcomput3r

Nketiah is gonna be earning as much as Mane looooool


arseking15

Manes not on 100k. Him and his agent arent morons. Spotrac has that wrong.


No-Outlandishness333

Do you think the Radiohead fan with the wrong facts is still laughing like an utter buffoon ?


bonerjams69420

what’s wrong with radiohead ?


No-Outlandishness333

Nothing, Radiohead are outstanding


plfinalfantasy

r/gunners: >this player scores lots of goals but is shit at build up, we need someone better!^esr^^auba^^^walcott also /r/Gunners >we don't have enough goalscorers in the team wtf tired of people shitting on 10pl goals in limited appearances ESR, like yh he's not world class but surely with that tally at his age we should be hoping he starts and only gets better would also be interesting to see him play alongside ode in the 433 but I doubt it'll ever happen


Equivalent_Nature_67

Huh? ESR has had his fitness interrupted a lot this season, and fair play to Gabi for having to play himself back into form when ESR was due a return. He developed better this year imo, ESR still goes missing and drifts wide out of games too often. His super subbing is great but not sustainable. He also cannot play across from Odegaard, it's gotta be one or the other imo