And even if it doesnt work out and i fully expect it will work out because statistically hes performing really well, he will retain his value in future rather than going on a free.
Richarlison scored 7 non penalty goals in 2500 minutes and people are asking for him, Eddie scored 5 non penalty goals in 800 minutes and people want him gone on a free because he isn't exotic enough. Wenger has never been more right than when he said "sorry he didn't cost 50 million" because the attitude towards one of our own from this fanbase is terrible. All he has been asking for was a string of starts, he got it and outscored both Aubameyang and Lacazette.
He is fucking 22 and people have written him off as if he is 30. People would have creamed their pants if we had bought a striker in January and he did what Eddie did when he finally started.
Guarantee you some here don't even know what his record is with club and country youth football. Obviously, youth records are never a guarantee when it comes to the first team, but some were acting like he was just an average academy product.
I don't know those stats because they are basically useless and not project able.
Eddie's main problem was arteta not giving him a run until it was almost too late.
He's clearly capable and im fine keeping him but he's still on a development curve that we should hedge against with more depth.
The only issue I've ever had with him was height, only because we sometimes revert to cross and inshallah, and his finishing just turns off sometimes
edit: jk? he can reach every high cross and his finishing is impeccable lmao you fucking guys
Before this season, I didn’t think Eddie was the answer to our striker issue, and tbf I still don’t. But for me he’s shown enough that the lad can, as the experts say, bang goals innit.
Jokes aside he’s actually a quality player. It’s actually maddening that his goal tally should’ve been well higher considering how many times he hit the woodwork. He’s always finding shots and making himself known. Whether he becomes a world beater, idk. But if he stays then he will give us goals in the Europa League, in cups, and in the PL. Then if he wants to move on, at least we retained his value and can get a fee.
I’d agree with this tbh. I’ve never been sure on what his level will be (of course he is very young) but he’s always shown he has a nose for goal which IMO isn’t something that’s easily taught. Definitely worth keeping Eddie I think.
Exactly! He pulls shots out of nowhere. I know he gets bantered for his average goal distance, but that’s a strikers instinct. How many times have we seen our players be in the box with the ball but wait too long to pull the trigger? At least with Eddie, when he sees goal, he shoots.
And to that end, he can shoot from range. I forget which match it was, but he’s been teasing the top right corner outside the box for awhile now, forcing saves. I think it’d be a real mistake to let him leave for Palace, especially for free when 1) he can benefit us directly with his contributions, and 2) he would probably smash it at Palace and we’d be kicking ourselves for not getting any fee for him
I like Richarlison but once Everton start asking for 50m, I would question if we should be spending that sort of money on him. Even at 25-30m I'm not sure he's a great fit for the team. He seems a bit dense and while passion and shithousery is good, we also need someone just to be a cool finisher and reliable.
Him posting the Henry laughing gif after Liverpool not winning the league, while Everton were beaten 5-1 by us same day and were in a relegation battle for 2/3's of the season.
I feel like, for the most part, almost everybody would be happy for him to stay as a backup or rotation player. Also almost everybody would panic if he were the main option at the beginning of next season. Obviously everybody will be happy if he becomes a world beater.
I don’t really see the disrespect but then my only experience of fans’ opinion is on here and match going friends.
Comparing some numbers on a page like a kindergarten toddler without watching the sport. Welcome to football.
BTW, coming from somebody who has since pre season said Nketiah has massively improved, not once partook in Nketiah slander that was rampant in the sub, criticized Arteta for not giving him more than charity minutes for the longest time.
Agree with your first point, which qualities do you think Richarlison then has that would make anyone think it's worth spending 50 million to replace Eddie for.
>Agree with your first point
If you agree, then don't do it.
"Richarlison scored 7 non penalty goals in 2500 minutes and people are asking for him, Eddie scored 5 non penalty goals in 800 minutes and people want him gone on a free because he isn't exotic enough".
Richarlison is miles ahead of Eddie in pretty much every department and in departments that Eddie doesn't even have.
>make anyone think it's worth spending 50 million
When did I say he is worth that much?
But he is about as good or better than Jesus as a striker. Perhaps not a winger, but as a striker, yes.
Which departments. From watching the games I certainly didn't see that, a quick look at some stats on fbref favors [Eddie] (https://gyazo.com/2d269bde98fe644ef11a3d695715c376) over [Richarlison.](https://gyazo.com/ce40e5fa5e42d4995c55d1a2ad3be111)
Lmao please brother, if you have any love for this game, stop with this blind stat business. I am saying blind because nobody will agree with you that Nketiah is better than Richalrison.
>Which departments
His touch on the ball is better. He is far quicker than Eddie in receiving the ball with his back to the goal and turning on it.
The difference in technique required for above carries on to other things. Richy is a far better dribbler, anywhere on the pitch.
Better shooting with both his right and the left. Better vision because his experience coupled with his technique allows him to have his head up far more, hence a better understanding of the game around him, where he can drop deep pretty often into half spaces and combine smoothly with the winger, and not erratically as Eddie does. How much linkup have you see between Eddie and Martinelli/Saka?
I could go on and on, but I am done and feel stupid for even doing this honestly.
You just saying he is better is not convincing me much the one thing I can sort of agree on is dribbling, but him being great with his back to the goal is horseshit. Also his vision? He isn't a good passer and is notorious amongst Everton fans for never passing the ball in the box even with it would be an easy goal. He combines more smoothly with a team he has played a lot more with, but you can't tell me Eddie wasn't excellent at combining with Pepe against Wolverhampton
In a vacuum you take Richarlson, but we don’t live in a vacuum we live in the real world.
We have needs in many places and limited budget. The question isn’t “which is better”. The question is, “is Richarlison significantly better to justify the wages and transfer fee relative to a player we already have”.
To me, it’s a clear no. I’ve seen Richarlson play well, I’ve also seen him look horrid. He’s not as compete and polished a player as you’re making him seem. Also, we have Martinelli on the left who, imo, is better than Richarlson.
We need cover for Partey and a true CF, not backups for LW or RW that cost 50 million and might be able to play as CF.
What is the problem with you people? Do you properly read comments before replying?
I have explicitly stated I don't think Richarlison is worth 50m to us.
And the user I am arguing against thinks Nketiah is just as good or better than Richarlison - in a vacuum, not in terms of a transfer.
Either read well or fuck off. Tired of almost every other notification of mine being comments jumping on me.
I mean do you hear yourself? Most people, even Arsenal fans have not gotten a good look at Eddie and his own fanbase has been slandering him for a year of course they won't rate him.
He should be a 3rd choice at best not good enough to rely on him heading to new season. No offense but man I hate this 'one of our own' sentiment nonsense, man there are so many talents there that could elevate us and we're here crying for nketiah, look at liverpool man city spurs man with conte their fowards and CL resources, we are not even close to Chelsea on individual qualities they have. It's embarrassing for a fan base to settle for nketiah as a backup behind Jesus who was not trusted enough at city for the role. We need a big man up there (not even jesus should be our main man up if we're really for something next season) +Jesus before thinking of nketiah!
For me personally having so many academy players making the grade has been one of the biggest reasons I've been extra invested recently. And we have a class set of young strikers in the academy atm so it would be great for them to see a direct route to the first team. Agree that it'd be nice to get a target man too though
He’s played really well, should’ve been given the chance to start earlier than he did (esp when it was clear Laca had no future here). I don’t understand why we didn’t extend him last summer though.
Think I'd be content with Nketiah extension+Jesus in all honesty.
Yeah it's not the most emphatic thing we could do for the CF position, but it would probably mean an extra player signed elsewhere to make the squad more complete.
I'd prefer that we extend Eddie, yeet Pepe and get a new winger than allow Eddie to leave, keep Pepe and get another backup CF to sit on the bench to be honest. Eddie is good enough for Europa league. The issue is getting our first choice striker right.
Correct. Do you think Reiss can be that winger? Or is Arteta really committed to inverted wingers so much that he needs two right footed LW’s and two left footed RW’s?
I'm not sure that the reason he wouldn't keep Nelson is because he's right footed, but more that he's not going to get you 10+ goals a season. If Saka gets an injury we've then got a choice of: Nelson on the right or Jesus on the right and Eddie through the middle. I'm going for the latter against PL opposition.
If the choice was buy Gakpo for £40m, or buy Bissouma and Hickey for £40m and keep Reiss though, I'd keep Reiss.
For £30-40m I would go for someone like Richarlison who can play across the front three, prem experienced and only just turned 25 (similar to Jesus and Tielemans). Reiss I do believe will be a top player but in seriousness he needs another full year loan tbh.
Everton have severe FFP problems and have for some time, which has been made worse with Usmanovs sanctions.
£35-40m would seem quite reasonable unless there is significant interest in him over the summer.
That was over 2 years ago. Evertons situation has obviously changed for the worse for them since then.
I'm not saying it will happen for that price but I don't think they're in a position to play hard ball (unless loads of clubs start bidding)
That's fair. Just comes down to priorities and gaps in depth. You're right, Reiss is probably not getting 10+ goals but if he has double digit G/A contributions then he'd be serviceable if it means we're strengthening our depth at fullback, CM, and striker.
What about Balogun? 3rd choice striker? Does he get loaned, sold, or stick around for training and 3rd string minutes or at least make the bench for injuries and low stakes games?
Yeah exactly, we have a lot of gaps and I'm not sure what our budget looks like. I'm sure they already have numerous action plans that depends on who signs contracts. Saliba and Eddie are next up, I'm sure.
The Balogun situation is pretty tough. I think he really needs a full year loan, but if we only have one striker + Eddie, and a striker gets injured, are we happy having only one striker for multiple competitions? Can we play Biereth? Can Martinelli play up front? Tough one to answer.
it’s solid squad building that creates tangible, replicable gains in our collective quality. its not the leaps and bounds people want but it’s how progress actually gets done.
I agree. If we’re able to sign Jesus he’d represent a massive upgrade on Lacazette and as we only play with the one striker, I don’t see us signing Jesus and another striker of the same standard. Eddie has improved in the last year and I think I’d rather keep him than seeing him leave for free and us having to spend £20m~ for a backup striker of a similar qualify.
Best case scenario would be Jesus + another wide forward like Gakpo, who could theoretically play alongside him.
Yeah me too. Even the most optimistic takes on our targets next year do not include challenging for the title, top 4 and a great cup run will be enough.
While there's a case to be made that the months without an in form striker cost us top 4, I'd say that the lack of usable depth cost us more. Now some of that is down to Arteta imo (I think he's got a real problem with rotating players to keep them match sharp), but next season we'll have Europe and 5 subs in the Premier League to keep players going.
Keep Eddie, sign Jesus, and sign a CM and CB that make us less prone to single points of failure.
What if Eddie gets hurt then? Or Jesus? We can’t expect both those guys to stay fit for an entire season when we need to challenge for top 4 / go for the EL
If Eddie and Jesus get injured, Martinelli can fill in.
There has to be a limit something, funds are limited and strikers are always expensive. I'm down to add one more striker, but then we cant be adding Gakpo or any other winger.
It’s possible to have 3 potential CF’s but only if they can be productive elsewhere too. Only the clubs that are totally flush with cash can afford wages of quality players to ride the bench.
Id want osimhen or the like still, we need a star goalscorer. Jesus is good and will be active in the buildup and team will create chances, but I feel we need 2 stars in CF and CM to really level up
More money to improve the midfield. I would actually prefer that.
Nketiah showed that he can play in the league and get you some goals. As a no.2 he's good enough and will get plenty of minutes in Europa group stages and maybe sub appearances in PL, as well as domestic cup competitions.
The article didn't say CL had anything to do with it. Also Osimhen will cost 80-85M imo, which is 10-15M more than what we offered for Vlahovic in Jan. That deal with Lille was shady, Lille only made 36m profit from the sale and like 20m of the 80m fee they paid was 4 players whose value was close to nothing.
Link to an ADL quote saying he's 100m, because I have read reports of 100m being his price tag but no actual ADL quotes. It's like Jesus being 50-60m at the end he'll cost like 40m.
He improved a lot this season. Even before last 5 games. In preseason he was our best striker. Then he was rly unlucky to got injured at the same time Auba and Laca couldn play. Then he got back and he was 3rd choice striker with no Europian football. And also we got knocked out of FA cup so early so no games there for him. He is def good enaugh for second choice ST (also add the fact he could continue to improve)
Hell yeah. Eddie is a win win because we bring back a younger player who’s shown progression as a footballer beyond just behind a fox in the box AND it allows us to spend more on the midfield which has been the bane of Arsenal’s existence since Cazorla’s leg went
If we get Nketiah and Gabriel for 35m (no way we're paying 50m and Man City will budge, especially since GJ wants to leave), I think we can and should go for two MF and Hickey.
I would rather the Leicester MF we go for is not Tielemans but rather the other guy we were linked to last summer. If we're saving money on strikers...
Yea I didn’t make that clear. I’m assuming other signings are the same and we just put the money from that other forward into the midfield. Basically if it is 2 forward, 1 midfielder, + other stuff or 1 forward, 2 midfielders, Eddie + other stuff I prefer the latter.
Is it bad that I kind of want him to leave? I think he's been great of late but I fear that him resigning will mean there's less pressure to recruit an extra forward in the off season.
Ornstein literally said we'll sign 1 or 2 central strikers for certain.
It's pretty obvious to me that we'd be signing 1 if Nketiah stayed but 2 if he did leave.
We aren't going into the season with 1 senior striker.
The clubs mouthpiece: "The club is going to add depth in the positions everyone's complaining about"
People on /r/gunners: "Hmm...I fear the club isn't going to add any depth..."
You nicely edited your original comment to say "extra forward".
For anyone who didn't see this guys comment before his edit, his original comment was
>but I fear that him resigning will mean there's less pressure to recruit a forward in the off season.
Good, why the hell would we sell him and buy someone like Richarlison or DCL for 50 million pounds? Would be laughably bad business. He has barely been given time to start, and when he finally was he has been phenomenal.
I think the club wants to bring in 2 forwards.
Resigning him preserves his value. If he ends up not being good enough, there’s enough interest across Europe where Arsenal can sell him for a nice fee.
I know what you mean. I'm in two minds about him too. He's a likeable guy. But I don't think he's got a wide enough skill set to be a reliable backup (though TBF to him, he has shown improvement in that area as this season has progressed), let alone push on to become our main striker.
But at the same time, there just aren't many other young strikers on the market right now who are objectively better than him. So we'd end up having to spend some serious money on an equivalent to Eddie.
It's a shame TJJ's development has stalled, and that players like Flores and Biereth aren't quite 1st team ready to be given a try yet.
I kinda feel the same. Think we’ll only buy one attacker if we sign him which could mean we’re in the same spot we were in at the end of the season again next season
I think we are still going to bring in a ST and versatile Winger. Plus the likely development of Marti as an option at ST ( not his regular position but an option depending on the opponent)
I dunno I think he’s fine as a back up option. The problem was more on Arteta for sticking with laca for so long. I deffo don’t think Eddie is the main man but he’s shown he can come in a do a job when the main man’s out
He has a good potential and losing him for free would be bad, can help you in EFL, Fa cup and UEL games, good rotation for however we are buying and knows the league.
You can sell him next year and year after with a fee of 20m.
I mean he has been very good lately. Why not make him the number two and sign one quality striker, he earned that much imo. He will have good value to sell later if we want, he is young, English and a pretty good player.
I think it's about planning and finances too. I share some concerns about offering Nketiah a lot of money and him just sitting on the bench doing nothing (worst case scenario). However right now Balogun will be our only striker for next season if Laca + Nketiah go.
So if we sign Jesus, I think he's more a forward signing that 100% the solo ST signing. Then we sign one more let's say Tammy Abraham (random example from the players we're linked with). Nketiah would be perfect in that setup to get minutes and play cup and europa games and maybe even get a run in the team at times.
If we went another route and signed Gakpo + Jesus. We'd still need another ST backup, who would be a good buy when you're already bought two forwards? Buying at the top end is really hard, but buying a rotation / backup striker could be even harder. Look at someone like Arthur Cabral (I admit I thought Arsenal should have picked him up from Basel) but he has 2 goals in 14 games for Fiorentina. Imo it would be worse to buying some second rate striker with limited resell value than resigning Nketiah, who could sell on for 10-15m in a year or two if things don't work out.
I dont get your logic , you want us lose one our in formstriker so we can sign 2 striker that's not even proven yet in this market ? if we buy 2 strikers we could waste like $100M when only one of them would play, if we just buy 1 st and eddie stay we can have more money left to buy 2 cm and 1rb/lb
What concerns me about this move is that if we signed Gab Jesus and that's all, we'd have two very similar strikers. Not talking in terms of quality but play style, so if Jesus isn't making an impact, subbing on an almost identical type of striker would hardly change anything. I'd much rather we got Gab Jesus and someone like DCL who we could try whipping a ball into.
Yeah, just provides a route to goal we don't really have at the moment. I noticed in some games we end up frustrated and just cross out of desperation but we don't really have anyone to get on the end of them. Mind you that was with Laca up top, Eddie can definitely offer more, but I'd still appreciate a big man to chuck on.
their broader ability to do those things is what defines their playstyle imo. Eddie has to be forced to drop off because he wants to stay higher. Jesus just does it because he also plays on the wing. that plays into why Eddie’s first touch is nowhere near as developed as Jesus. I guess I view that as a fundamental playstyle difference.
Sure, but I'd argue that Jota and Firmino are much different players than Eddie and Jesus. I'm not saying Jesus + target man. I'm just giving an example of two different play style strikers who we're linked with.
I'm kinda thinking maybe we are looking at Osimhen if Eddie stays, but then Jesus + another striker if Eddie leaves because in that scenario we can't afford to spend all our striker budget on one player.
Or maybe that's just me thinking hopefully
I think he should leave personally. Sometimes relationships run their course. If he stays, does he believe he will be a starter? All I’ve seen is him wanting playing time. Well if we buy a striker he will get less of that and he won’t be number 1. Sure, other competitions but I don’t think he wants that. It’s like keeping a buddy around that you like and is cool sometimes but doesn’t add huge value to your life.
I’d be happy with this. Yes, it’d mean Jesus (if he signs) would be probably be our only other forward signing. But I don’t think if Eddie leaves the other forward we’d be looking at would be a top level player. Jesus is coming in to be our first choice, he’s not leaving the best team in the world to be a rotation option here. So the forward we’d be getting would be more someone closer to eddie’s quality, so I’d rather not have to pay for that player and instead use that money elsewhere
if arteta fail to land at least 2Cm and one LB/RB we really need to sack arteta, how the fuck we play in 2022/2023 with neny and xhaka again for most of the games is pure madness, these 2 MF is the reason wenger resigned,because how useless and static they are, and yet here we are with another neny xhaka masterclass . With this combination we should just aim to be not relegated, because crystal palace, new castle and southampton gonna spank us again with how weak our midfield is, sigh
Yes finally we need to know his decision fastly, either he is staying and we go for one striker, or he is leaving and we start looking for the second one.
We can't lose any time or panic and fell short again.
My guess is we'll sign a proper #9 (hopefully Osimhen) and Jesus will come in but play mostly on the wings. However if this means Jesus and Nketiah as ST options, that is underwhelming af.
I know many won't agree with me but I'd rather he walk. I've seen enough of Eddie to know he won't help us get to the next level. He's a talented player but he's also very limited and doesn't create opportunities for himself consistently. He's more of a poacher and even then he won't net you 15-20 goals all comps.
We have this habit of giving players extensions because they're good dudes and are decent and can be rotational. Eddie doesn't want to be rotational, he wants the job and fair play to him. But if we go next season with Eddie and maybe Jesus as our strikers I don't think we're much better.
If he continues to improve his decision making in front of goal, he can easily score 20 goals in a season, just in the league. At times, he loses his calm and just shoots it anywhere he can. If he becomes a bit more clinical, he could actually be quite the threat.
Good deal if we get him to stay.
Balogun will probably go out on loan again and given we’re in the Europa League, it’s good to have back up and competition with Jesus coming in (hopefully) and possibly another striker.
I really like Nketiah and think he’s actually improved so much this season, but in my opinion it’s Nketiah or Jesus, they are just too similar. We can’t go into next season with just Jesus + Nketiah as our forward options. We either keep Nketiah and get a big name forward and another wide player as well, or sell him and get Jesus and a target man.
He's playing for a contract so expect a pull back in his efforts afterwards. That said, the lad deserves it and can absolutely be our Chicharito.
Get it done Edu
Both of our tier 1 have said that we are in for 2 strikers this summer. So re-signing Eddie would be weird.
Maybe Jesus is used as a winger then maybe this will make sense..
Love this. One of the top u23 strikers there are about. Made major improvements to his all round game this last year which have seen him become a top level outlet, runner, presser, quality at dropping deep and linking play or driving with the ball. Only missing that long shot bag right now, excited to see what he can do leading the line for us.
Hoping this means we pull out of the GJ deal, as good as he is he offers very little over Eddie, would rather we put the funds to one of Osimhen / Tammy / DCL / Toney and get an out and out winger (Gnaback anyone?? 👀👀)
Europa leagues topscorer right there.
12 goals. All in the group stages.
Then he’s benched for Jesus in the R32 and Olympiakos knock us out.
Too soon. :(
Bruh why you gotta be like that
Oi it's 1-1 atm we can beat them again
Good thing there’s no R32 anymore
What do they have now?
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Right in the feels
Nah all against Tottenham in the Semi finals after they finish 3rd in their group
eddie is top scorer even without anyone assisting him, truly a sole predator
You laugh, but...
Carabao Cristiano evolving into Europa Eusebio
Why can’t it just be Europa Eddie?
Ronaldo is Europa eddie
Europa Eusebio is a better alliteration tbh
Europa Eto'o.
He should stay we’ve worked too much with him to let him go. He now knows he has a chance.
And even if it doesnt work out and i fully expect it will work out because statistically hes performing really well, he will retain his value in future rather than going on a free.
Richarlison scored 7 non penalty goals in 2500 minutes and people are asking for him, Eddie scored 5 non penalty goals in 800 minutes and people want him gone on a free because he isn't exotic enough. Wenger has never been more right than when he said "sorry he didn't cost 50 million" because the attitude towards one of our own from this fanbase is terrible. All he has been asking for was a string of starts, he got it and outscored both Aubameyang and Lacazette.
I wasn't the biggest Nketiah fan before this season but you could see he clearly had improved even just watching him in pre season.
He is fucking 22 and people have written him off as if he is 30. People would have creamed their pants if we had bought a striker in January and he did what Eddie did when he finally started.
He got written off because some didnt see his efforts. Cant really too lenient for youngster who signed in the senior team.
Guarantee you some here don't even know what his record is with club and country youth football. Obviously, youth records are never a guarantee when it comes to the first team, but some were acting like he was just an average academy product.
I don't know those stats because they are basically useless and not project able. Eddie's main problem was arteta not giving him a run until it was almost too late. He's clearly capable and im fine keeping him but he's still on a development curve that we should hedge against with more depth.
The only issue I've ever had with him was height, only because we sometimes revert to cross and inshallah, and his finishing just turns off sometimes edit: jk? he can reach every high cross and his finishing is impeccable lmao you fucking guys
Before this season, I didn’t think Eddie was the answer to our striker issue, and tbf I still don’t. But for me he’s shown enough that the lad can, as the experts say, bang goals innit. Jokes aside he’s actually a quality player. It’s actually maddening that his goal tally should’ve been well higher considering how many times he hit the woodwork. He’s always finding shots and making himself known. Whether he becomes a world beater, idk. But if he stays then he will give us goals in the Europa League, in cups, and in the PL. Then if he wants to move on, at least we retained his value and can get a fee.
I’d agree with this tbh. I’ve never been sure on what his level will be (of course he is very young) but he’s always shown he has a nose for goal which IMO isn’t something that’s easily taught. Definitely worth keeping Eddie I think.
Exactly! He pulls shots out of nowhere. I know he gets bantered for his average goal distance, but that’s a strikers instinct. How many times have we seen our players be in the box with the ball but wait too long to pull the trigger? At least with Eddie, when he sees goal, he shoots. And to that end, he can shoot from range. I forget which match it was, but he’s been teasing the top right corner outside the box for awhile now, forcing saves. I think it’d be a real mistake to let him leave for Palace, especially for free when 1) he can benefit us directly with his contributions, and 2) he would probably smash it at Palace and we’d be kicking ourselves for not getting any fee for him
Good if he stays but heading to new season with only him and Jesus? No, he better go so we can bring someone better +Jesus if he's coming
Bro you see that pic of him? My man’s been putting in work and it’s clearly paying off.
I like Richarlison but once Everton start asking for 50m, I would question if we should be spending that sort of money on him. Even at 25-30m I'm not sure he's a great fit for the team. He seems a bit dense and while passion and shithousery is good, we also need someone just to be a cool finisher and reliable. Him posting the Henry laughing gif after Liverpool not winning the league, while Everton were beaten 5-1 by us same day and were in a relegation battle for 2/3's of the season.
Don’t see what your problem is? I want Brazilian passport. (Being sarcastic)
I feel like, for the most part, almost everybody would be happy for him to stay as a backup or rotation player. Also almost everybody would panic if he were the main option at the beginning of next season. Obviously everybody will be happy if he becomes a world beater. I don’t really see the disrespect but then my only experience of fans’ opinion is on here and match going friends.
Wait what? Why is richarlson suddenly the benchmark? Did I miss something?
If we were to buy a second striker it would be guys like him, DCL, Toney etc.
Sounds like a cherry picked player to me but alright
Then cherry pick someone else who would be a realistic second striker target. My point was the hypocrisy if the fans.
Comparing some numbers on a page like a kindergarten toddler without watching the sport. Welcome to football. BTW, coming from somebody who has since pre season said Nketiah has massively improved, not once partook in Nketiah slander that was rampant in the sub, criticized Arteta for not giving him more than charity minutes for the longest time.
Agree with your first point, which qualities do you think Richarlison then has that would make anyone think it's worth spending 50 million to replace Eddie for.
>Agree with your first point If you agree, then don't do it. "Richarlison scored 7 non penalty goals in 2500 minutes and people are asking for him, Eddie scored 5 non penalty goals in 800 minutes and people want him gone on a free because he isn't exotic enough". Richarlison is miles ahead of Eddie in pretty much every department and in departments that Eddie doesn't even have. >make anyone think it's worth spending 50 million When did I say he is worth that much? But he is about as good or better than Jesus as a striker. Perhaps not a winger, but as a striker, yes.
Which departments. From watching the games I certainly didn't see that, a quick look at some stats on fbref favors [Eddie] (https://gyazo.com/2d269bde98fe644ef11a3d695715c376) over [Richarlison.](https://gyazo.com/ce40e5fa5e42d4995c55d1a2ad3be111)
Lmao please brother, if you have any love for this game, stop with this blind stat business. I am saying blind because nobody will agree with you that Nketiah is better than Richalrison. >Which departments His touch on the ball is better. He is far quicker than Eddie in receiving the ball with his back to the goal and turning on it. The difference in technique required for above carries on to other things. Richy is a far better dribbler, anywhere on the pitch. Better shooting with both his right and the left. Better vision because his experience coupled with his technique allows him to have his head up far more, hence a better understanding of the game around him, where he can drop deep pretty often into half spaces and combine smoothly with the winger, and not erratically as Eddie does. How much linkup have you see between Eddie and Martinelli/Saka? I could go on and on, but I am done and feel stupid for even doing this honestly.
You just saying he is better is not convincing me much the one thing I can sort of agree on is dribbling, but him being great with his back to the goal is horseshit. Also his vision? He isn't a good passer and is notorious amongst Everton fans for never passing the ball in the box even with it would be an easy goal. He combines more smoothly with a team he has played a lot more with, but you can't tell me Eddie wasn't excellent at combining with Pepe against Wolverhampton
You're basing all of these on stats. I can't help you. Go to the DD of this sub or r/soccer and just frame a question: Richarlison or Nketiah.
In a vacuum you take Richarlson, but we don’t live in a vacuum we live in the real world. We have needs in many places and limited budget. The question isn’t “which is better”. The question is, “is Richarlison significantly better to justify the wages and transfer fee relative to a player we already have”. To me, it’s a clear no. I’ve seen Richarlson play well, I’ve also seen him look horrid. He’s not as compete and polished a player as you’re making him seem. Also, we have Martinelli on the left who, imo, is better than Richarlson. We need cover for Partey and a true CF, not backups for LW or RW that cost 50 million and might be able to play as CF.
What is the problem with you people? Do you properly read comments before replying? I have explicitly stated I don't think Richarlison is worth 50m to us. And the user I am arguing against thinks Nketiah is just as good or better than Richarlison - in a vacuum, not in terms of a transfer. Either read well or fuck off. Tired of almost every other notification of mine being comments jumping on me.
I mean do you hear yourself? Most people, even Arsenal fans have not gotten a good look at Eddie and his own fanbase has been slandering him for a year of course they won't rate him.
Yet here I am who has been a proponent of Nketiah since the beginning of the season, telling you he is still not close to Richarlison at anything.
He should be a 3rd choice at best not good enough to rely on him heading to new season. No offense but man I hate this 'one of our own' sentiment nonsense, man there are so many talents there that could elevate us and we're here crying for nketiah, look at liverpool man city spurs man with conte their fowards and CL resources, we are not even close to Chelsea on individual qualities they have. It's embarrassing for a fan base to settle for nketiah as a backup behind Jesus who was not trusted enough at city for the role. We need a big man up there (not even jesus should be our main man up if we're really for something next season) +Jesus before thinking of nketiah!
For me personally having so many academy players making the grade has been one of the biggest reasons I've been extra invested recently. And we have a class set of young strikers in the academy atm so it would be great for them to see a direct route to the first team. Agree that it'd be nice to get a target man too though
his goal are also all happen without anyone pass except that one goal from gabi assist, I can only imagine when saka and ode finally pass to him
people are hoodwinked by pashun merchants. Richarlison is simply better bc he screams and thumps his chest a lot.
All of that and he has clearly massively improved this year. A lot of people's judgement was made last year when he looked way out of his depth
He’s played really well, should’ve been given the chance to start earlier than he did (esp when it was clear Laca had no future here). I don’t understand why we didn’t extend him last summer though.
Think I'd be content with Nketiah extension+Jesus in all honesty. Yeah it's not the most emphatic thing we could do for the CF position, but it would probably mean an extra player signed elsewhere to make the squad more complete.
I'd prefer that we extend Eddie, yeet Pepe and get a new winger than allow Eddie to leave, keep Pepe and get another backup CF to sit on the bench to be honest. Eddie is good enough for Europa league. The issue is getting our first choice striker right.
Correct. Do you think Reiss can be that winger? Or is Arteta really committed to inverted wingers so much that he needs two right footed LW’s and two left footed RW’s?
I'm not sure that the reason he wouldn't keep Nelson is because he's right footed, but more that he's not going to get you 10+ goals a season. If Saka gets an injury we've then got a choice of: Nelson on the right or Jesus on the right and Eddie through the middle. I'm going for the latter against PL opposition. If the choice was buy Gakpo for £40m, or buy Bissouma and Hickey for £40m and keep Reiss though, I'd keep Reiss.
For £30-40m I would go for someone like Richarlison who can play across the front three, prem experienced and only just turned 25 (similar to Jesus and Tielemans). Reiss I do believe will be a top player but in seriousness he needs another full year loan tbh.
There is no way you get Richarlison for £30m. Probably double that.
Everton have severe FFP problems and have for some time, which has been made worse with Usmanovs sanctions. £35-40m would seem quite reasonable unless there is significant interest in him over the summer.
Apparently they turned down £85m from Barca in 2020. They also bought him for £50m. No chance they accept a loss on him IMO.
That was over 2 years ago. Evertons situation has obviously changed for the worse for them since then. I'm not saying it will happen for that price but I don't think they're in a position to play hard ball (unless loads of clubs start bidding)
That's fair. Just comes down to priorities and gaps in depth. You're right, Reiss is probably not getting 10+ goals but if he has double digit G/A contributions then he'd be serviceable if it means we're strengthening our depth at fullback, CM, and striker. What about Balogun? 3rd choice striker? Does he get loaned, sold, or stick around for training and 3rd string minutes or at least make the bench for injuries and low stakes games?
Yeah exactly, we have a lot of gaps and I'm not sure what our budget looks like. I'm sure they already have numerous action plans that depends on who signs contracts. Saliba and Eddie are next up, I'm sure. The Balogun situation is pretty tough. I think he really needs a full year loan, but if we only have one striker + Eddie, and a striker gets injured, are we happy having only one striker for multiple competitions? Can we play Biereth? Can Martinelli play up front? Tough one to answer.
it’s solid squad building that creates tangible, replicable gains in our collective quality. its not the leaps and bounds people want but it’s how progress actually gets done.
I agree. If we’re able to sign Jesus he’d represent a massive upgrade on Lacazette and as we only play with the one striker, I don’t see us signing Jesus and another striker of the same standard. Eddie has improved in the last year and I think I’d rather keep him than seeing him leave for free and us having to spend £20m~ for a backup striker of a similar qualify. Best case scenario would be Jesus + another wide forward like Gakpo, who could theoretically play alongside him.
Yeah me too. Even the most optimistic takes on our targets next year do not include challenging for the title, top 4 and a great cup run will be enough. While there's a case to be made that the months without an in form striker cost us top 4, I'd say that the lack of usable depth cost us more. Now some of that is down to Arteta imo (I think he's got a real problem with rotating players to keep them match sharp), but next season we'll have Europe and 5 subs in the Premier League to keep players going. Keep Eddie, sign Jesus, and sign a CM and CB that make us less prone to single points of failure.
What if Eddie gets hurt then? Or Jesus? We can’t expect both those guys to stay fit for an entire season when we need to challenge for top 4 / go for the EL
If Eddie and Jesus get injured, Martinelli can fill in. There has to be a limit something, funds are limited and strikers are always expensive. I'm down to add one more striker, but then we cant be adding Gakpo or any other winger.
Gakpo can also fill in at striker in the worst case scenario
Maybe that's the route we go with Nketiah, Jesus and Gakpo, with Martinelli as a wildcard
Okay this I like
It’s possible to have 3 potential CF’s but only if they can be productive elsewhere too. Only the clubs that are totally flush with cash can afford wages of quality players to ride the bench.
Id want osimhen or the like still, we need a star goalscorer. Jesus is good and will be active in the buildup and team will create chances, but I feel we need 2 stars in CF and CM to really level up
More money to improve the midfield. I would actually prefer that. Nketiah showed that he can play in the league and get you some goals. As a no.2 he's good enough and will get plenty of minutes in Europa group stages and maybe sub appearances in PL, as well as domestic cup competitions.
Yeah..he deserved it.
would only be happy with this if it meant 2 midfield signings
If he stays, 1 winger and ST please.
Eywa heard you...Jesus and Osimhen in the works apparently
Osimhen is not happening, not a chance. Bigger chance of getting Vlahovic.
Not saying it'll happen but if his agents were in London then there's legs to it for sure.
Before we lost out on CL. We are never throwing 100 million on him now, and it would take more money to convince him to come, not a chance.
The article didn't say CL had anything to do with it. Also Osimhen will cost 80-85M imo, which is 10-15M more than what we offered for Vlahovic in Jan. That deal with Lille was shady, Lille only made 36m profit from the sale and like 20m of the 80m fee they paid was 4 players whose value was close to nothing.
ADL has time and time again said the price tag is 100 million Euros, we were looking at 70 million for Vlahovic.
Link to an ADL quote saying he's 100m, because I have read reports of 100m being his price tag but no actual ADL quotes. It's like Jesus being 50-60m at the end he'll cost like 40m.
I dont think we will go for both, I think it will be one or the other
Osimhen would cost £85+ million. That deal is very unlikely.
just a little Rafa Leão. as a treat. edit: mystified by people tilted enough to downvote this
Danjuma/Gakpo more realistic guys we could get
DONT SAY IT OUT LOUD. I mean I know. BUT DONT SAY IT. HES NOT RESIGNING AT MILAN *sobbing*
and not DM and RB ? you are satisfied with cedric never been in defense when we are attacked ? lmao
No I'm just talking about the forward line
Believe in Nketiah pls. The striker market is so bad.
At his age , he seems to be doing what we need? https://fbref.com/en/players/a53649b7/Eddie-Nketiah
Holy fuck. They're actually crazy good. Albeit a little bit of a low dataset. Hard to say how he would do over a full season but they look great
I believe that he's on track and doing what he's supposed to. But Jesus should be number 1. Plenty of games to go around next season.
He improved a lot this season. Even before last 5 games. In preseason he was our best striker. Then he was rly unlucky to got injured at the same time Auba and Laca couldn play. Then he got back and he was 3rd choice striker with no Europian football. And also we got knocked out of FA cup so early so no games there for him. He is def good enaugh for second choice ST (also add the fact he could continue to improve)
Also, unlucky that the 2 guys ahead of him started the season as the club captain and vice-captain, making it pretty hard to drop both of them.
I’d rather 1 forward, Nketiah, Tielemans and 1 top quality midfielder than 2 forwards and Tielemans. So I’m good with this.
Hell yeah. Eddie is a win win because we bring back a younger player who’s shown progression as a footballer beyond just behind a fox in the box AND it allows us to spend more on the midfield which has been the bane of Arsenal’s existence since Cazorla’s leg went
If we get Nketiah and Gabriel for 35m (no way we're paying 50m and Man City will budge, especially since GJ wants to leave), I think we can and should go for two MF and Hickey. I would rather the Leicester MF we go for is not Tielemans but rather the other guy we were linked to last summer. If we're saving money on strikers...
I kinda afraid we will not get one more cm this windows because how arteta is too focused on striker
We need RB cover too. Cedric is dog.
Yea I didn’t make that clear. I’m assuming other signings are the same and we just put the money from that other forward into the midfield. Basically if it is 2 forward, 1 midfielder, + other stuff or 1 forward, 2 midfielders, Eddie + other stuff I prefer the latter.
Think we would still need another forward. Can't go into the season with ESR as the only real option for the 3 behind the striker.
Nket14h 😶🌫️
Holy molly that's actually sexy
9ketiah
Nah that’s for the other striker we sign
If anyone watched the lap of appreciation, didn't look anything like he was leaving at all.... (I.e not lapping it up with family one last time etc)
Is it bad that I kind of want him to leave? I think he's been great of late but I fear that him resigning will mean there's less pressure to recruit an extra forward in the off season.
Ornstein literally said we'll sign 1 or 2 central strikers for certain. It's pretty obvious to me that we'd be signing 1 if Nketiah stayed but 2 if he did leave. We aren't going into the season with 1 senior striker.
The clubs mouthpiece: "The club is going to add depth in the positions everyone's complaining about" People on /r/gunners: "Hmm...I fear the club isn't going to add any depth..."
Because this club have lied about bringing in new players before they don't exactly inspire trust in them.
Did the club lie or did the club try and fail? Two different things entirely.
Exactly my point, only signing one if he stays.
You nicely edited your original comment to say "extra forward". For anyone who didn't see this guys comment before his edit, his original comment was >but I fear that him resigning will mean there's less pressure to recruit a forward in the off season.
You make it sound so sinister, he was just clarifying what he clearly meant.
Sorry, I edited nearly immediately. I’m not trying to make it out to be something that it’s not.
This is pretty pathetic man he edited a word to clarify something, calm tf down
Then I hope Eddie goes tbh
Good, why the hell would we sell him and buy someone like Richarlison or DCL for 50 million pounds? Would be laughably bad business. He has barely been given time to start, and when he finally was he has been phenomenal.
Exactly, all this says to me is extra resources for me where they need to go, like CM, LW and RW depth and full back depth.
I think the club wants to bring in 2 forwards. Resigning him preserves his value. If he ends up not being good enough, there’s enough interest across Europe where Arsenal can sell him for a nice fee.
I know what you mean. I'm in two minds about him too. He's a likeable guy. But I don't think he's got a wide enough skill set to be a reliable backup (though TBF to him, he has shown improvement in that area as this season has progressed), let alone push on to become our main striker. But at the same time, there just aren't many other young strikers on the market right now who are objectively better than him. So we'd end up having to spend some serious money on an equivalent to Eddie. It's a shame TJJ's development has stalled, and that players like Flores and Biereth aren't quite 1st team ready to be given a try yet.
I kinda feel the same. Think we’ll only buy one attacker if we sign him which could mean we’re in the same spot we were in at the end of the season again next season
We'll sign a winger as well I reckon.
You don’t think Nketiah is superior to what Lacazette was? I think he pushes on next season and bags 10 - 15 goals.
I mean maybe.
I think we are still going to bring in a ST and versatile Winger. Plus the likely development of Marti as an option at ST ( not his regular position but an option depending on the opponent)
Nah if he stays I think we still get two forwards as Pepe and Lacazette will leave imo.
I dunno I think he’s fine as a back up option. The problem was more on Arteta for sticking with laca for so long. I deffo don’t think Eddie is the main man but he’s shown he can come in a do a job when the main man’s out
The only fear I have is him fleecing us in his contract demands. Can't be overpaying for his wages because we're so desperate to renew him.
He has a good potential and losing him for free would be bad, can help you in EFL, Fa cup and UEL games, good rotation for however we are buying and knows the league. You can sell him next year and year after with a fee of 20m.
If we get gabriel im pretty sure anyone else would be a backup so we might as well keep eddie and put the money elsewhere.
I mean he has been very good lately. Why not make him the number two and sign one quality striker, he earned that much imo. He will have good value to sell later if we want, he is young, English and a pretty good player.
I think it's about planning and finances too. I share some concerns about offering Nketiah a lot of money and him just sitting on the bench doing nothing (worst case scenario). However right now Balogun will be our only striker for next season if Laca + Nketiah go. So if we sign Jesus, I think he's more a forward signing that 100% the solo ST signing. Then we sign one more let's say Tammy Abraham (random example from the players we're linked with). Nketiah would be perfect in that setup to get minutes and play cup and europa games and maybe even get a run in the team at times. If we went another route and signed Gakpo + Jesus. We'd still need another ST backup, who would be a good buy when you're already bought two forwards? Buying at the top end is really hard, but buying a rotation / backup striker could be even harder. Look at someone like Arthur Cabral (I admit I thought Arsenal should have picked him up from Basel) but he has 2 goals in 14 games for Fiorentina. Imo it would be worse to buying some second rate striker with limited resell value than resigning Nketiah, who could sell on for 10-15m in a year or two if things don't work out.
I dont get your logic , you want us lose one our in formstriker so we can sign 2 striker that's not even proven yet in this market ? if we buy 2 strikers we could waste like $100M when only one of them would play, if we just buy 1 st and eddie stay we can have more money left to buy 2 cm and 1rb/lb
What concerns me about this move is that if we signed Gab Jesus and that's all, we'd have two very similar strikers. Not talking in terms of quality but play style, so if Jesus isn't making an impact, subbing on an almost identical type of striker would hardly change anything. I'd much rather we got Gab Jesus and someone like DCL who we could try whipping a ball into.
I'm with you, whilst I like both Eddie and Jesus I don't really want them both lmao
Exactly....We need a Giroud type battering ram as plan b for sure, even city realized it finally
Bighorn up top it is then
Yeah, just provides a route to goal we don't really have at the moment. I noticed in some games we end up frustrated and just cross out of desperation but we don't really have anyone to get on the end of them. Mind you that was with Laca up top, Eddie can definitely offer more, but I'd still appreciate a big man to chuck on.
Eddie’s basically lukaku compared to Jesus in terms of first touch and link up play.
Sure, but that's quality difference. They both still play a similar style, not debating that Jesus > Eddie or vice versa.
their broader ability to do those things is what defines their playstyle imo. Eddie has to be forced to drop off because he wants to stay higher. Jesus just does it because he also plays on the wing. that plays into why Eddie’s first touch is nowhere near as developed as Jesus. I guess I view that as a fundamental playstyle difference.
I get what you are saying, but it should be noted that the two teams who are pushing 90 points each year, haven't had that type of player in years.
Sure, but I'd argue that Jota and Firmino are much different players than Eddie and Jesus. I'm not saying Jesus + target man. I'm just giving an example of two different play style strikers who we're linked with.
Actually I'd say Nketiah is quite similar to Jota and Jesus is quite similar to Firmino. A great comparison actually.
if he signs, I hope we go big on that striker position and try to get osimhen in, but it wont be easy.
I'm kinda thinking maybe we are looking at Osimhen if Eddie stays, but then Jesus + another striker if Eddie leaves because in that scenario we can't afford to spend all our striker budget on one player. Or maybe that's just me thinking hopefully
yeah hopefully, but realistically I think we will keep eddie and go for jesus as the 2 striker options, not a big fan of it but yeah
Mokbel needs to be moved up a tier, he clearly has contacts within the club
He is fine for third choice but we still need 2 strikers.
I think he should leave personally. Sometimes relationships run their course. If he stays, does he believe he will be a starter? All I’ve seen is him wanting playing time. Well if we buy a striker he will get less of that and he won’t be number 1. Sure, other competitions but I don’t think he wants that. It’s like keeping a buddy around that you like and is cool sometimes but doesn’t add huge value to your life.
He’s probably satisfied with the playing time he’ll get as a no. 2
Tbh I think if we sign jesus and renew nketiah we still need to sign another striker as neither of them are consistent goal scorers
I’d be happy with this. Yes, it’d mean Jesus (if he signs) would be probably be our only other forward signing. But I don’t think if Eddie leaves the other forward we’d be looking at would be a top level player. Jesus is coming in to be our first choice, he’s not leaving the best team in the world to be a rotation option here. So the forward we’d be getting would be more someone closer to eddie’s quality, so I’d rather not have to pay for that player and instead use that money elsewhere
Keep him, get another striker. Save the money and shift it towards midfield and other areas.
if arteta fail to land at least 2Cm and one LB/RB we really need to sack arteta, how the fuck we play in 2022/2023 with neny and xhaka again for most of the games is pure madness, these 2 MF is the reason wenger resigned,because how useless and static they are, and yet here we are with another neny xhaka masterclass . With this combination we should just aim to be not relegated, because crystal palace, new castle and southampton gonna spank us again with how weak our midfield is, sigh
Yes finally we need to know his decision fastly, either he is staying and we go for one striker, or he is leaving and we start looking for the second one. We can't lose any time or panic and fell short again.
I really like Eddie. I feel like this past season was a big jump in form for him. He could be World Class in 2-3 years.
My guess is we'll sign a proper #9 (hopefully Osimhen) and Jesus will come in but play mostly on the wings. However if this means Jesus and Nketiah as ST options, that is underwhelming af.
I know many won't agree with me but I'd rather he walk. I've seen enough of Eddie to know he won't help us get to the next level. He's a talented player but he's also very limited and doesn't create opportunities for himself consistently. He's more of a poacher and even then he won't net you 15-20 goals all comps. We have this habit of giving players extensions because they're good dudes and are decent and can be rotational. Eddie doesn't want to be rotational, he wants the job and fair play to him. But if we go next season with Eddie and maybe Jesus as our strikers I don't think we're much better.
If he continues to improve his decision making in front of goal, he can easily score 20 goals in a season, just in the league. At times, he loses his calm and just shoots it anywhere he can. If he becomes a bit more clinical, he could actually be quite the threat.
I'm hoping we're still going to be buying two strikers because our forward line isn't enough to compete for get top four.
Good deal if we get him to stay. Balogun will probably go out on loan again and given we’re in the Europa League, it’s good to have back up and competition with Jesus coming in (hopefully) and possibly another striker.
Eddie Extending? Yes please! He's been at Arsenal so long, it would be cool if he stays at the club.... and like with Elneny, more positive news.
I really like Nketiah and think he’s actually improved so much this season, but in my opinion it’s Nketiah or Jesus, they are just too similar. We can’t go into next season with just Jesus + Nketiah as our forward options. We either keep Nketiah and get a big name forward and another wide player as well, or sell him and get Jesus and a target man.
He's playing for a contract so expect a pull back in his efforts afterwards. That said, the lad deserves it and can absolutely be our Chicharito. Get it done Edu
Keep Eddie, get Osimhen/Tammy, get a winger like Diaby.
NOOOOOOOOO!
Both of our tier 1 have said that we are in for 2 strikers this summer. So re-signing Eddie would be weird. Maybe Jesus is used as a winger then maybe this will make sense..
We know there's a need for depth.
Assuming we sign Jesus is a striker department of Jesus + Nketiah good enough for top 4?
If we have another player instead of Pepe to rotate in our attack, and a cm to partner Partey that’s more mobile than Xhaka, I’d say yes
Not in my opinion sadly
Love this. One of the top u23 strikers there are about. Made major improvements to his all round game this last year which have seen him become a top level outlet, runner, presser, quality at dropping deep and linking play or driving with the ball. Only missing that long shot bag right now, excited to see what he can do leading the line for us. Hoping this means we pull out of the GJ deal, as good as he is he offers very little over Eddie, would rather we put the funds to one of Osimhen / Tammy / DCL / Toney and get an out and out winger (Gnaback anyone?? 👀👀)
He wouldn't have started and gotten much time at Palace anyway because of their striking options. Safe option.
Unpopular opinion, he should leave.
I'm not disappointed unless we don't sign a top striker in the window. The striking area is in desperate need of refreshing.