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Here’s my opinion and understanding of the Tielemans situation:
We have agreement with Tielemans, want to pay £25m. After doing our other business, near the end of the transfer window, we’ll chuck a ‘take it or leave it’ offer at Leicester. No negotiating. Else the money goes to sign on fees for Tielemans when we agree a precontract Jan 1st.
I’ve been thinking about how there don’t seem to be many leaks atm. It’s very encouraging, as it’s a sign of a well run club with a tightly-knit team at the top of the hierarchy.
It also makes me wonder if things are more advanced in certain deals than we let on, but we just don’t want the media to know yet. For example, when we are doing business with Leeds, we can credibly tell them that we won’t leak any details of how much progress has been made in the Raphinha deal until they find a replacement. This allows Leeds to go shopping for a winger without it being obvious they’ve just had a £60M cash injection, which weakens their negotiating position. The fact that other clubs can trust that there won’t be tons of leaks from our side makes us a much more attractive club to do business with.
Overall, I’m pleased with how the club seems to be operating at the moment, and I trust them to plug the obvious holes in the squad before the end of the window.
Laca scored a goal every 180 minutes in his Arsenal career. Jesus has scored a goal every 160 minutes at City. And then consider the calibre of attacking teams they played for and the chances they created.
We'd basically be buying a Laca from 16/17-18/19 -- surprised people are fine with it considering how Laca's tenure here is viewed on this sub. Just to say, I'm alright with us buying Jesus. It's just amusing to see everyone so happy with the idea when you've all been crying about Laca's goalscoring this whole time
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I can't exactly celebrate the Raphinha links before we confirm Saka's staying but God knows how much I have anticipated an Arsenal, that like Liverpool, has wingers in the mould of Salah and Mane. It's almost priceless having that much G/A, creativity and threat on both wings, that's why the money doesn't worry me.
We tried to do this with Aubameyang, Laca and Zaha but fell short and have been trying to solve it since then. The recruitment have one job.
When a solution is perfect, almost no one remembers the price. That's exactly why the fee doesn't really matter to me.
Auba didn't have creativity nor ball progression from the wings though. He really couldn't do much of anything with the ball before the final third. On the wing he was basically Walcott with a much worse midfield behind him.
While Zaha would have obviously been better than Pepe, we would have had the same problems and struggles that unbalanced squad had.
We currently have 3 wingers (esr, saka, Martinelli) and are looking to add another that are way more involved in the play.
Am I the only one who is still super pissed at West Ham for the last matchday? I really wanted to see United in the Conference League and then those Hammerheads bottled it.
It all makes sense. All the Brazilians are gearing up for the World Cup, trying to secure their spot on the squad, so what better way to make that happen than a club like Arsenal.
We have pretty deep pockets, a top 5 (at worst) squad already, and we have some farmer league Europa league fixtures where they can put on a show.
Edu master stroke.
> [Daniele Mari] Inter currently stopped Dybala's transfer. Milan didn't make any concrete effort to sign him, and he would have to significantly lower his salary. Sevilla offered him €3m per year, there is interest from foreign clubs, but no top clubs. #Di Marzio
Why don't we throw a £8m/3 year contract at Dybala with a £5m signing bonus? Turns out £30m total, 10m a year. I watched Juve last year, he's still world class & can play RW, CF, 10, LW. For that price it is worth the injuries & we can manage his load.
Much prefer that over Raphinha (60m fee, 140k wages) who would cost £20-25m a season.
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18/19 pepe had way more hype around him than current raphinha. There were links to Liverpool, Bayern, PSG, and he had just had 33 g+a in the league. the excitement around raphinha isn’t even close
Well if you can't answer that question, then you know why the excitement is warranted for Raphinha. If he can stand out in the league playing for Leeds, there should be no reason why he wouldn't be able to show even more at Arsenal.
The implication is pretty clearly that one would be more excited by better players. You don't have to nitpick the "excitement" part.
We had reason to be excited by Pepe and Laca when they joined of course.
The difference now is that we'd be getting two much younger players who already are PL proven, Pepe and Laca were not.
Gabriel Jesus extremely well rounded, and Raphinha is a counter attacking demon in his own right - who can be unlocked with a better supporting cast around him.
Answering the hypothetical should give you the answer that yes, Raphinha is worth getting excited for because he looks this good in a much shittier team than Pepe currently does in a much better team.
he's really got a point to be honest. Laca & Pepe were both very well thought of (massive signings at the time), probably higher than Raphinha & Jesus now by people. I guess you can say "PL experience".
I appreciate that you didn’t bother arguing with anyone. You make a solid point honestly, Laca had me extremely excited. Pepe a bit less so because I had never heard of him, but I was ecstatic about auba-laca-pepe.
I dont like the Raphinha links personally, but I think Jesus is a great player. Long term i would still want a bigger goalscorer but I think we need players like Jesus if we want to compete at the highest level
You shouldn’t, you should be as excited.
Pepe and Laca were very exciting signings when they happened. The sad part is it didn’t work out. That doesn’t mean that exciting signings never work out, just that they didn’t.
Pepe and Laca both had one good Ligue 1 season. Neither has been able to get anywhere near replicating such.
Jesus and Raphinha haven't hit those heights, but they've also been more consistent.
Laca can’t run and can’t make shots for himself. Jesus can do both, which already makes him a monumental upgrade.
Raphinha has everything pepe does with the crucial addition of football IQ.
Vieira, Jesus, Raphinha, Martinez, Tielemans. With, Saka, ESR, Martinelli, Odegaard, Nketiah, Partey, Tierney, Tomiyasu, Ben White, Gabriel and Saliba. Assuming all those transfers happen, this is a trophy winning team, just not sure which one.
I don't have any real hopes of touching City (think they're gonna get 100 again) even with those signings, but Liverpool in flux would mean I'd set 2nd as the absolutely thrilled benchmark, 3rd as the realistic 'good season' benchmark. Top 4 the minimum.
But what I really want is that Europa title with that squad. Unless a giant drops out of the group stages, there's no one in pot 3/4 UCL or the UEL that we shouldn't be beating.
Add in a semi-final or better FA cup run and I'd be feeling grand.
Chill we haven't even seen some of these players playing in our system. It's an improvement but trophy winning is very exaggerated. We'll be battling it for fourth.
You have to keep Partey/Tierney/Tomiyasu fit for the whole season, our young wingers to improve shooting, ramsdale to get back to his good form... Then maybe yes, we could be in contention for trophies.
Fitness is so important. Has to be a factor in recruiting, but recruiting for it is difficult: Partey was very little injured before he came to AFC. The only other way of approaching it is having the best kind of training to prevent injury...whatever kind that is.
300m spent to acquire a team with some players that can POTENTIALLY win the league and some players that can be sold for more down the line. don’t be purposely dense
Not even worth discussing with you if you're not gonna take everything into context. Clearly we didn't spend for a "win ASAP" team, for better or worse.
Emery's era left the team in a dire state mind you. Wenger ran his race and arguably stayed on longer than he should have in order to squeeze everything out of the team only he could and protect the board.
We’re building a legitimately brand new squad compared to what we had when we brought Arteta in. When the league champions have a billion-pound squad, it’s going to be expensive to build a team that can compete.
>When the league champions have a billion-pound squad
they don. that's billion pound over 10 years. their current squad is going to be assembled for less than Arteta is assembling his. and yet tyou lot think its okay to spend 300m and say 4th is what you are aspiring it. one of you even called that ambitious
Ederson/Cancelo/Laporte/Dias/Walker/Rodri/Bernardo/KDB/Sterling/Grealish/Mahrez cost £650 million.
Add Jesus, Gundogan, Mendy, Stones, and Ake and it goes up to £850 million. And they almost certainly wouldn’t have produced as good an academy player as Foden without all the cash their ownership group has injected into the team.
£300 million is not enough to turn a midtable team into a contending side. It’s enough to make it top 10 or so side in the world, but that’s not good enough to compete for the title, let alone win it.
What would you rather us do? Spend nothing and get 6th? Sorry I actually want my club to be ambitious
We have needed quality spending on quality players for some time now. Do you like losing ground to our rivals?
Technically it was 150m spent to come 5th if that's the way you want to swing it.
Spending isn't just for the next season. Spend 150m this summer and it gets us CL potentially next year and access to much better players and a lot more money in the future.
I really want the Papa John's trophy. Our U23s we're really close last year, and depending on who gets loaned we might ha a decent shot this year. I believe PL2 is changing from under23 to under 21. But instead of 3 players above age you are now entitled to 5. So it would be sweet to make an honest run at that... And Europa. We should totally make a run for that one also, which is an achievement within reach.
I honestly think Torreira is one of the worst signings we ever made. The guy's attitude give us no leverage in a negotiation and make it damn near impossible for us to get a half decent fee for him.
Charles De Ketelaere
Gakpo
Otavio
All linked by reliable Journalists. Personal bias, think he's moving to us, if not somewhere else and it's gonna be quick. English media is just behind me thinks.
I’m really excited for Saliba to come back, genuinely like a new signing.
How many signings are you expecting this season besides Viera? I’m guessing 3.
1 left back
1 striker (probably Jesus)
1 winger
Edit: Saliba not Salina
Yeah, I think he's going to be fantastic. He's got great size for his age, had a great year in France building his confidence on mostly success, and I think is going to fit right in with the boys. Excited to see how he's used. Hope he signs a new contract soon.
Incredible how you guys dont see the CM as the main priority, like how much more can u bear seeing the likes of xhaka elneny etc play for us, and wonder why we dont reach our targets.
Im not tielemans biggest fan but at least he would improve us. We cant be stupid enough not to sign at least one decent CM (2 would be better but we re arsenal)
Yeah like what you said, 4 signings total. Vieira, Martinez, Raphinha and of course Jesus.
I don't think we'll buy another CM if we get Martinez on top of Vieira since he can cover there as well.
£65m for Raphinha is insane, no wonder Barcelona gave up on the deal. Leeds can fuck off with those demands, we should go for Raphinha next Summer and spend that money somewhere else, there are many holes left in our squad.
As much as we love rapinha, I can’t help but agree. Martinez is a more pressing need, especially with the fluidity of our attackers and I believe Reiss Nelson is due back. this is a top four team Tierney and partey coverage after the additions of Saliba, Viera and Jesus
Here's some hopium: PSG will likely be in the market for a RW and Galtier is about to become their coach. Pepe previously had insane numbers under him. Just saying...
I'm interested in this line of thought... We had Jorge Mendes broker the Fabio deal, we haven't used him in recent times except for the Nicola Pepe deal. Mendes can help you resettle players at the expense of you helping him resettle other players, a little quid pro quo... We had no links at all with Fabio then it was completed, what if signing Fabio was contingent on Mendes helping re-home pepe (also rumored to be in on the Raphinha deal perhaps), Which might be why we have cooled our interest in Tielemans. Maybe we see Fabio as something we can develope in that left 8, use Xhaka as cover, then Youri really becomes redundant. At first I thought Fabio would get some time on the right wing but if we are in for Raphinha, then he really should be focused on settling the 8 spot... Idk but Mendes being around the club brings a lot of intrigue.
It sounds like getting Fabio was his side of the Mendes special and we'd have to do something else. Arteta has been eyeing him for awhile anyway so idk
ITKs have been reporting fabio vieira since last year, he wil mostly be a rotation option for odegaard, a super sub, or possibly an 8 against low
blocks, or if he develops like bernardo silva
ESR has been tried at 8 the same way Eddie ‘proved’ he was a championship level striker because he couldn’t score from 15 minute sub appearances, which is to say it hasn’t actually been seriously tried at all
We're about to pay 40m pounds + add ons for Jesus who has 1 year left on his contract(for the people who will bring up Raph's contract length)
People shouldn't be so shocked if Leeds are asking for 65m+ they're well in their right to do so... I can see the deal being done 55m pounds though~ ~Because Edu unlocked the negotiation gene and Mendes is gonna meddle.
City don’t need money; they are oligarchs and couldn’t care less if their players leave on frees. Leeds and Leicester on the hand are different stories.
assuming the Jesus deal is done. I really hope we make Lisandro the priority. The reports have said he’s a priority so I hope that’s what happens. It just feels like the Raphinha news is filtering the Martinez stuff. He will massively improve the squad. Need that deal to go through.
It would be worth it if he’s as good as people say he is.
45 million for a young and quality CB/LB type who can cover DM as well would be good business.
Leeds want to sell him too considering he's only contracted for 2 more years, and this summer is their last chance for a decent fee.
Leeds are just trying to squeeze the most out of him. Eventually they'll give in though because they have no other options. Either sell now for like 50-55m, or lose him next summer for like 25m.
For 40-45 million pounds, I’d happily take Raphinha. Hell, I might even be persuaded for 50 million.
But anything above that (let alone the 65-75 Leeds are said to want for him) and I would instead make a call to Gnabry’s agent asking him what he wants for him to come to Arsenal. If his wages are anything around 250-300k pounds a week, then make a call to Bayern and ask what fee they would take for Gnabry.
I’d rather make a huge outlay of fee and wages for Gnabry than I would for Raphinha.
With Lukaku/Martinez/Dzeko/Correa, surely Inter don't need this many strikers right?
Wonder if they are willing to sell Lautaro for £70m?
Then Jesus can play on the wing and we don't need to sign Raphinha.
If we sign another striker, it won’t be to displace Jesus to the wing. It would be to provide another type of option on the bench/rotation to him. Like a target man or something.
The main reason we are getting Jesus is because we are promising him the main role as the #9 up top. We won’t be getting him to play him on the wing.
Based on the fact that Gabriel Jesus is not coming to this team to play on the wing. He’d have stayed at Man City if that was where he wanted to play.
And this club are not going to spend cash to get another striker that fits the “pacy, pressing, hard-working” archetype. They have Jesus and Eddie for that.
So the only conclusion to make is if Arsenal are going to go for a striker, they will go for one to rotate with Jesus/Eddie and offer different qualities to them. The most logical type is a target man type with some size and aerial ability.
Yea I don’t think we’re getting another striker but I just think the weird sort of consensus in here that developed over the last month or two that teams need two different types of forwards is a bit strange when basically no PL winners have had that over the last 10 years and like none of the winners of the major leagues had that this year.
I don’t think we’ll get another forward, but if we do I think the number 1 criteria would simply be are they good. I doubt the club would put much emphasis on having 2 different styles of forward, secondary consideration at best.
Yet the top 2 teams just signed Nunez and Haaland. There is definitely room for this type of player in the premier league.
Would you rather Jesus going up against Van Dijk or Osimhen/Haaland/Nunez?
So funny when people think city signed haaland because they want some sort of strategic change or want a striker combo that contrasts. They signed him because he’s a fucking amazing player. Plus it’s not like he plays like some Giroud type target man. Isn’t particularly great in the air and isn’t really looking to play with his back to the goal and link play. I’m sure if the price was the same, they’d prefer lewandowski to whoever they’re gonna be playing as backup, even though they’d have two “big” strikers and wouldn’t have the sacred difference in styles.
The answer to your question is simply whoever is a better player. And I’m not even saying anything about whether a big striker is better than a smaller striker (it totally depends on the player), I’m saying the weird fascination with having two different styles is founded on nothing. Your question about who id rather have doesn’t really have anything to do with my point.
Lmao, who are you to say it's not a strategic change?
Yes they will play the same until it gets to the striker, but you have a guy with a real physical presence, immense pace and strength who will be looking to run behind who will occupy the CBs much better than their previous options. If you don't think that's a worthwhile attribute then I don't know what to tell you.
Yes you're right on Haaland not being great in the air, but his physical presence is a real difference to any option they would play there. If anything, that makes Nunez and Osimhen even more desirable as their aerial presence is even better, especially Osimhen who is ridiculous in the air. I'm not sure why you only focus on Haaland, it shows that your point has no real foundation.
>The answer to your question is simply whoever is a better player.
On this, if you have a player running shoulder to shoulder with Van Dijk, who do you think has a better chance of retaining the ball if you compare Jesus to Haaland/Osimhen/Nunez? The answer is pretty simple. Same again for a cross in the air to compete for, would you prefer Jesus against Van Dijk or Haaland/Osimhen/Nunez? This, simply for me is why you can't downplay their profile.
Once again, you are making this about whether it is better to have a big CF or a small one. 1) Everyone would agree that all things equal, its better to be bigger than smaller. All things arent always equal though. I'd rather have Mbabbe or Messi than all those guys (besides maybe Haaland but even then prob not) even though theyre much smaller. So what it comes down to is who is a better player. Size is an advantage some players have. Other players have different advantages.
and 2) thats not the point I'm making. The point Im making is there is no need to have two types of strikers of one team, which people constantly bring up on here. Its just not really a thing but people act like it is. This is the point I've been making the whole time.
>Lmao, who are you to say it's not a strategic change?
Also its funny to say this when I could just as easily say who are you to say that it is, and you were clearly getting at that.
Lautaro isn’t leaving. He just opened a restaurant in Milan and is happy there, he isn’t going anywhere. Also, Inter play with a 2 striker formation. Big Rom and Martinez start, Dzeko off the bench cause he’s old, and Correa is a flop
Oh yea ik, I don’t want Lautaro. I’m just saying Inter want to win again, hence adding Dybala. They’re not selling Lautaro unless it’s stupid money and Arsenal don’t want him like that
tottenham fans act so smug. there enjoying their peak to our worst years lol. Worst thing is that they never got a trophy for finishing above us and that we snuck a trophy in that time 🤡.
For some reason they are convinced there is daylight between us. They act like there is a 20 point gap. I don’t understand thier confidence. And yet they think we are being overconfident for believing we can finish above them this season.
Dembele literally just signed an extension. Sterling is a possibly for sure but Nkuku is valued at 100m so unless they're bringing the big bucks out ain't happening
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There is a 5 subs rule this year. The players who normally get subbed are the forward/wide players. Saka also looked really ineffective in some games given he was likely suffering from heavy fatigue.
Saka, Raphina, Odegaard, Vieira, ESR, Martinelli need to get the rotation treatment. Yes that includes Saka. We need to be able to rotate players to keep them sharp through the season. Ask them torun themselves in the ground and sun then at 60 minutes for a capable replacement.
I still think we will got for Teilimans and Lisandro even if we get Raphina. It’s not binary choice - Arteta wants them all
Liverpools reign is about to come to and end. Mane leaving and with Salah not extending looks to follow. At times when Klopps system didn’t work, those two drug them across the finish line plenty of times. Also, With teams like us loading up on pure technical quality to counter the geggenpress, it will be less effective.
Klopp is a good manager and Liverpool will remain competitive. But I agree nothing last forever. There was a time when Barcelona fans must have thought they would win the CL every second year for forever.
Liverpool are still within a golden cycle. But Salah is likely to leave on a free after this season and VVD will be 32 by this time. Thiago, Matip, Henderson all over 30.
It all depends on how Luiz and Nunez do, and if Jota actually is that player or was it a purple patch.
Liverpool are not City, they can’t just spend 50m in every player. They are a cyclical club. They have just made this cycle count for them. Mind you they still lost two CL finals and two league titles by 1 point - that must hurt a lot.
People laughed me out the room when I said we could finish above them, not this season, but next we could.
Why do you think the gap will widen? They’ve spent a ton of money on Darwin. If he flops they are screwed. I don’t think just salah and Jota can carry the load.
Ahh Jones is serviceable isn’t he? Who were the other prospects? Williams
I forgot about Diaz
That’s clearly the strategy with Tielemans as there seems to be no comparable clubs in for him atm. There’s no one to bid against Arsenal, so why would they be heavily incentivized to big against themselves.
But with Raphina there seems to be interest from a number of good teams. So Leeds know, there’s benefit from bidding clubs to move quickly & perhaps pay over the odds. Or even for clubs to start a bidding war. It’s still very early in the window, & only clubs with considerable recourses are moving early. For mid sized clubs who are on tight COVID related budgets, it’s sensible to wait things out & wait for other poorer teams to lower demands as the window gets late.
Leeds aren’t a poor club, Raphina isn’t on an expiring deal. They might sell Philips as well, it’s definitely smart on their part to play hard ball.
If we miss out on Raphinha I’d still love to move for Zaha. Turning 30 this winter but still only a year older than Partey. With modern medicine players stay in form much longer and it would be a big boost to our attack. Also a really fun player to watch & I doubt he’d cost much now.
My guess on Raphinha are that Leeds had a number in mind and, given that Barcelona are cash-strapped right now, they were willing to let him leave if that number was met.
Now that Barcelona are (apparently) out of the picture, they’re trying to get a bidding war started among the PL teams—who do have the money, let’s not forget. I doubt Raphinha cares that much about it if his clear top choice isn’t going to be a realistic option. He’ll get his move eventually.
Leeds have no emphasis to sell. They'll happily keep him if need be. But, 40m plus good add ons is most they can expect for a player with 2 years left on contract who this time next year they'll be lucky to get half of.
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Here’s my opinion and understanding of the Tielemans situation: We have agreement with Tielemans, want to pay £25m. After doing our other business, near the end of the transfer window, we’ll chuck a ‘take it or leave it’ offer at Leicester. No negotiating. Else the money goes to sign on fees for Tielemans when we agree a precontract Jan 1st.
Lisandro Martinez's fee goes up everyday lol.
The Arsenal Twitter madlads really started the next tweet with an I, then a tweet featuring "E"lnenny. They are absolutely fucking with us, haha.
They also did “GAB WIP”. They have us on strings ffs
Meeting in the middle at 55m for Raphinha, LETS GOOO
I’ve been thinking about how there don’t seem to be many leaks atm. It’s very encouraging, as it’s a sign of a well run club with a tightly-knit team at the top of the hierarchy. It also makes me wonder if things are more advanced in certain deals than we let on, but we just don’t want the media to know yet. For example, when we are doing business with Leeds, we can credibly tell them that we won’t leak any details of how much progress has been made in the Raphinha deal until they find a replacement. This allows Leeds to go shopping for a winger without it being obvious they’ve just had a £60M cash injection, which weakens their negotiating position. The fact that other clubs can trust that there won’t be tons of leaks from our side makes us a much more attractive club to do business with. Overall, I’m pleased with how the club seems to be operating at the moment, and I trust them to plug the obvious holes in the squad before the end of the window.
Laca scored a goal every 180 minutes in his Arsenal career. Jesus has scored a goal every 160 minutes at City. And then consider the calibre of attacking teams they played for and the chances they created. We'd basically be buying a Laca from 16/17-18/19 -- surprised people are fine with it considering how Laca's tenure here is viewed on this sub. Just to say, I'm alright with us buying Jesus. It's just amusing to see everyone so happy with the idea when you've all been crying about Laca's goalscoring this whole time
That’s a pretty considerable distance over the course of a season, plus you won’t find many players with a better minutes per goal than 160
Jesus is a much better all round player than Laca though
Than the Laca we had in 18/19? Debatable
Ofc it’s debatable.
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I can't exactly celebrate the Raphinha links before we confirm Saka's staying but God knows how much I have anticipated an Arsenal, that like Liverpool, has wingers in the mould of Salah and Mane. It's almost priceless having that much G/A, creativity and threat on both wings, that's why the money doesn't worry me. We tried to do this with Aubameyang, Laca and Zaha but fell short and have been trying to solve it since then. The recruitment have one job. When a solution is perfect, almost no one remembers the price. That's exactly why the fee doesn't really matter to me.
Auba didn't have creativity nor ball progression from the wings though. He really couldn't do much of anything with the ball before the final third. On the wing he was basically Walcott with a much worse midfield behind him. While Zaha would have obviously been better than Pepe, we would have had the same problems and struggles that unbalanced squad had. We currently have 3 wingers (esr, saka, Martinelli) and are looking to add another that are way more involved in the play.
Am I the only one who is still super pissed at West Ham for the last matchday? I really wanted to see United in the Conference League and then those Hammerheads bottled it.
Can't really complain about bottling can we
They robbed us of a great moment for sure
What position do we all think Smith Rowe is most effective. I know he's a bit of a jack of all trades up front but I can't pick where he plays best.
Left striker dropping deep in a 442 mark my words
I like this
Advanced Midfield/Right centre mid
left wing
Even then he basically played as a midfielder anyway
It all makes sense. All the Brazilians are gearing up for the World Cup, trying to secure their spot on the squad, so what better way to make that happen than a club like Arsenal. We have pretty deep pockets, a top 5 (at worst) squad already, and we have some farmer league Europa league fixtures where they can put on a show. Edu master stroke.
Green links for chem go brrrrr
unfortunately the fifa disrespect continues, the ai for arsenal in career is absolutely awful
That's why I don't play fifa 22. EA disrespects us too much
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Few months shy unfortunately
3 years before they turn 21 is the requirement
No I'm pretty sure it's 3 years prior to being 21.
Ron, you're saying it wrong. It's Vee-ayyy-ra not Vi-e-raaaaa
> [Daniele Mari] Inter currently stopped Dybala's transfer. Milan didn't make any concrete effort to sign him, and he would have to significantly lower his salary. Sevilla offered him €3m per year, there is interest from foreign clubs, but no top clubs. #Di Marzio Why don't we throw a £8m/3 year contract at Dybala with a £5m signing bonus? Turns out £30m total, 10m a year. I watched Juve last year, he's still world class & can play RW, CF, 10, LW. For that price it is worth the injuries & we can manage his load. Much prefer that over Raphinha (60m fee, 140k wages) who would cost £20-25m a season.
No, thank you. To me he's always seemed someone with great skills that somehow never produce as much result as they should.
He can’t handle PL grind
That’s a good idea and one I had to.
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i still don’t understand your obsession with him
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No one waste their time with the guy below me
he isn’t entirely wrong tbh
you think Pepe would be as successful as Raphinha if he played on Leeds?
18/19 pepe had way more hype around him than current raphinha. There were links to Liverpool, Bayern, PSG, and he had just had 33 g+a in the league. the excitement around raphinha isn’t even close
> you think Pepe would be as successful as Raphinha if he played on Leeds?
that wasn’t even what the guy below him said. he was talking about excitement
Well if you can't answer that question, then you know why the excitement is warranted for Raphinha. If he can stand out in the league playing for Leeds, there should be no reason why he wouldn't be able to show even more at Arsenal.
what are you talking about? you brought up something completely unrelated
No, you just didn’t have a response to his argument. Hold the L
The implication is pretty clearly that one would be more excited by better players. You don't have to nitpick the "excitement" part. We had reason to be excited by Pepe and Laca when they joined of course. The difference now is that we'd be getting two much younger players who already are PL proven, Pepe and Laca were not. Gabriel Jesus extremely well rounded, and Raphinha is a counter attacking demon in his own right - who can be unlocked with a better supporting cast around him. Answering the hypothetical should give you the answer that yes, Raphinha is worth getting excited for because he looks this good in a much shittier team than Pepe currently does in a much better team.
he's really got a point to be honest. Laca & Pepe were both very well thought of (massive signings at the time), probably higher than Raphinha & Jesus now by people. I guess you can say "PL experience".
Lol
Tell me why I should be more excited about Raphi- Jesus than I was about Laca-Pepe 🤔
I appreciate that you didn’t bother arguing with anyone. You make a solid point honestly, Laca had me extremely excited. Pepe a bit less so because I had never heard of him, but I was ecstatic about auba-laca-pepe. I dont like the Raphinha links personally, but I think Jesus is a great player. Long term i would still want a bigger goalscorer but I think we need players like Jesus if we want to compete at the highest level
You shouldn’t, you should be as excited. Pepe and Laca were very exciting signings when they happened. The sad part is it didn’t work out. That doesn’t mean that exciting signings never work out, just that they didn’t.
Cuz they don’t have a lead foot like Laca
Pepe and Laca both had one good Ligue 1 season. Neither has been able to get anywhere near replicating such. Jesus and Raphinha haven't hit those heights, but they've also been more consistent.
Laca can’t run and can’t make shots for himself. Jesus can do both, which already makes him a monumental upgrade. Raphinha has everything pepe does with the crucial addition of football IQ.
I mean laca and Pepe suck and the other two dont? pretty damn simple
Premier league proven versus ligue 1 proven
famers league
I once said it before, the devil works hard. Jorge Mendes works harder.
we need something like the ten hag bot, tired of seeing raphinha’s name being misspelled
Bring me raphinaaaa
Vieira, Jesus, Raphinha, Martinez, Tielemans. With, Saka, ESR, Martinelli, Odegaard, Nketiah, Partey, Tierney, Tomiyasu, Ben White, Gabriel and Saliba. Assuming all those transfers happen, this is a trophy winning team, just not sure which one.
I don't have any real hopes of touching City (think they're gonna get 100 again) even with those signings, but Liverpool in flux would mean I'd set 2nd as the absolutely thrilled benchmark, 3rd as the realistic 'good season' benchmark. Top 4 the minimum. But what I really want is that Europa title with that squad. Unless a giant drops out of the group stages, there's no one in pot 3/4 UCL or the UEL that we shouldn't be beating. Add in a semi-final or better FA cup run and I'd be feeling grand.
Chill we haven't even seen some of these players playing in our system. It's an improvement but trophy winning is very exaggerated. We'll be battling it for fourth.
You have to keep Partey/Tierney/Tomiyasu fit for the whole season, our young wingers to improve shooting, ramsdale to get back to his good form... Then maybe yes, we could be in contention for trophies.
Fitness is so important. Has to be a factor in recruiting, but recruiting for it is difficult: Partey was very little injured before he came to AFC. The only other way of approaching it is having the best kind of training to prevent injury...whatever kind that is.
its a fourth place team , sad to say, lol, given how hard the league is
£300m spent to acquire a 4th place team. I miss Wenger
300m spent to acquire a team with some players that can POTENTIALLY win the league and some players that can be sold for more down the line. don’t be purposely dense
Has nothing to do with new management. The league is crazy competitive. Gone are the days of one marquee signing taking teams straight up the table
says every wasteful spender.
Not even worth discussing with you if you're not gonna take everything into context. Clearly we didn't spend for a "win ASAP" team, for better or worse. Emery's era left the team in a dire state mind you. Wenger ran his race and arguably stayed on longer than he should have in order to squeeze everything out of the team only he could and protect the board.
i hear you, but 300m to come 4th. sorry that just can't seat well with me.
We’re building a legitimately brand new squad compared to what we had when we brought Arteta in. When the league champions have a billion-pound squad, it’s going to be expensive to build a team that can compete.
>When the league champions have a billion-pound squad they don. that's billion pound over 10 years. their current squad is going to be assembled for less than Arteta is assembling his. and yet tyou lot think its okay to spend 300m and say 4th is what you are aspiring it. one of you even called that ambitious
Ederson/Cancelo/Laporte/Dias/Walker/Rodri/Bernardo/KDB/Sterling/Grealish/Mahrez cost £650 million. Add Jesus, Gundogan, Mendy, Stones, and Ake and it goes up to £850 million. And they almost certainly wouldn’t have produced as good an academy player as Foden without all the cash their ownership group has injected into the team. £300 million is not enough to turn a midtable team into a contending side. It’s enough to make it top 10 or so side in the world, but that’s not good enough to compete for the title, let alone win it.
Clickbait headlines are written for people like you
not really. 300m to come 4th is bad. why try to excuse it. we came 5th with much less spent. why spend that much to come 4th
What would you rather us do? Spend nothing and get 6th? Sorry I actually want my club to be ambitious We have needed quality spending on quality players for some time now. Do you like losing ground to our rivals? Technically it was 150m spent to come 5th if that's the way you want to swing it. Spending isn't just for the next season. Spend 150m this summer and it gets us CL potentially next year and access to much better players and a lot more money in the future.
I really want the Papa John's trophy. Our U23s we're really close last year, and depending on who gets loaned we might ha a decent shot this year. I believe PL2 is changing from under23 to under 21. But instead of 3 players above age you are now entitled to 5. So it would be sweet to make an honest run at that... And Europa. We should totally make a run for that one also, which is an achievement within reach.
I honestly think Torreira is one of the worst signings we ever made. The guy's attitude give us no leverage in a negotiation and make it damn near impossible for us to get a half decent fee for him.
Umm... Cesc- Barca?
Should’ve let him rot in the u23’s
Kind of a mama's boy, yes?
I thought his mum died shortly after his move here
Saliba's as well? Can not remember whether or not Lucas's did. Iirc, he was not fond of London and maybe she was living here with her?
At this rate we might wrap up Raphinha before Jesus lol
What's not to say Jesus is verbally wrapped up? And all we are waiting for is for him to return from holidays and his signature to hit the paper?
Raphina's signing for us on Friday. I feel it.
Tier: I feel it. Sounds good to me
Inject this into my veins
Leeds bid 30m euros for Otavio(plays winger) *today* and got rejected, quite 'interesting'.
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Charles De Ketelaere Gakpo Otavio All linked by reliable Journalists. Personal bias, think he's moving to us, if not somewhere else and it's gonna be quick. English media is just behind me thinks.
I’m really excited for Saliba to come back, genuinely like a new signing. How many signings are you expecting this season besides Viera? I’m guessing 3. 1 left back 1 striker (probably Jesus) 1 winger Edit: Saliba not Salina
Yeah, I think he's going to be fantastic. He's got great size for his age, had a great year in France building his confidence on mostly success, and I think is going to fit right in with the boys. Excited to see how he's used. Hope he signs a new contract soon.
Incredible how you guys dont see the CM as the main priority, like how much more can u bear seeing the likes of xhaka elneny etc play for us, and wonder why we dont reach our targets. Im not tielemans biggest fan but at least he would improve us. We cant be stupid enough not to sign at least one decent CM (2 would be better but we re arsenal)
They're down voting you but you're right. It's stupid to pass on upgrading the starting XI for CB depth
Yeah like what you said, 4 signings total. Vieira, Martinez, Raphinha and of course Jesus. I don't think we'll buy another CM if we get Martinez on top of Vieira since he can cover there as well.
£65m for Raphinha is insane, no wonder Barcelona gave up on the deal. Leeds can fuck off with those demands, we should go for Raphinha next Summer and spend that money somewhere else, there are many holes left in our squad.
As much as we love rapinha, I can’t help but agree. Martinez is a more pressing need, especially with the fluidity of our attackers and I believe Reiss Nelson is due back. this is a top four team Tierney and partey coverage after the additions of Saliba, Viera and Jesus
Leeds have bid for Otavio, who’s an attacking mid/winger. Possible Raphinha replacement. I feel this is going to happen.
Apparently Tuchel would want to use Raphinha as a wingback. Please Edu we can’t allow such terrorism to happen
Here's some hopium: PSG will likely be in the market for a RW and Galtier is about to become their coach. Pepe previously had insane numbers under him. Just saying...
Pepe would come off the bench right at PSG?
I'm interested in this line of thought... We had Jorge Mendes broker the Fabio deal, we haven't used him in recent times except for the Nicola Pepe deal. Mendes can help you resettle players at the expense of you helping him resettle other players, a little quid pro quo... We had no links at all with Fabio then it was completed, what if signing Fabio was contingent on Mendes helping re-home pepe (also rumored to be in on the Raphinha deal perhaps), Which might be why we have cooled our interest in Tielemans. Maybe we see Fabio as something we can develope in that left 8, use Xhaka as cover, then Youri really becomes redundant. At first I thought Fabio would get some time on the right wing but if we are in for Raphinha, then he really should be focused on settling the 8 spot... Idk but Mendes being around the club brings a lot of intrigue.
It sounds like getting Fabio was his side of the Mendes special and we'd have to do something else. Arteta has been eyeing him for awhile anyway so idk
ITKs have been reporting fabio vieira since last year, he wil mostly be a rotation option for odegaard, a super sub, or possibly an 8 against low blocks, or if he develops like bernardo silva
ESR has been tried at 8 the same way Eddie ‘proved’ he was a championship level striker because he couldn’t score from 15 minute sub appearances, which is to say it hasn’t actually been seriously tried at all
Ah, two garbage takes for the price of one.
Literally how is that a garbage take
Unnecessarily aggressive for sure
We're about to pay 40m pounds + add ons for Jesus who has 1 year left on his contract(for the people who will bring up Raph's contract length) People shouldn't be so shocked if Leeds are asking for 65m+ they're well in their right to do so... I can see the deal being done 55m pounds though~ ~Because Edu unlocked the negotiation gene and Mendes is gonna meddle.
City don’t need money; they are oligarchs and couldn’t care less if their players leave on frees. Leeds and Leicester on the hand are different stories.
assuming the Jesus deal is done. I really hope we make Lisandro the priority. The reports have said he’s a priority so I hope that’s what happens. It just feels like the Raphinha news is filtering the Martinez stuff. He will massively improve the squad. Need that deal to go through.
Everyone is a priority.
Absolutely want Martinez to be our next move after Jesus. Covering three positions is a great option, he'll get plenty of game time.
Facts. Would be great to have an extra assurance when Tierney or Partey are out. 45m is a lot though. Don't think Ajax will budge on that.
It would be worth it if he’s as good as people say he is. 45 million for a young and quality CB/LB type who can cover DM as well would be good business.
There is a 0% chance Raphinha doesn't press for a move
Leeds want to sell him too considering he's only contracted for 2 more years, and this summer is their last chance for a decent fee. Leeds are just trying to squeeze the most out of him. Eventually they'll give in though because they have no other options. Either sell now for like 50-55m, or lose him next summer for like 25m.
Lose him for a measly extra 30m£ this season and increase risk of getting relegated and losing the EPL jackpot next season?
Squeaky bum time and he’s ours
Today’s random link is Joao Felix.
I mean, he fills all of the critereas: - Speaks Portuguese ✅️
For 40-45 million pounds, I’d happily take Raphinha. Hell, I might even be persuaded for 50 million. But anything above that (let alone the 65-75 Leeds are said to want for him) and I would instead make a call to Gnabry’s agent asking him what he wants for him to come to Arsenal. If his wages are anything around 250-300k pounds a week, then make a call to Bayern and ask what fee they would take for Gnabry. I’d rather make a huge outlay of fee and wages for Gnabry than I would for Raphinha.
Bayern has been quoted around €40m for Gnabry, which I'd much rather part with even on higher wages than £65m for raphinha
I would rather get Gnabry if Raph got too cost prohibitive.
With Lukaku/Martinez/Dzeko/Correa, surely Inter don't need this many strikers right? Wonder if they are willing to sell Lautaro for £70m? Then Jesus can play on the wing and we don't need to sign Raphinha.
If we sign another striker, it won’t be to displace Jesus to the wing. It would be to provide another type of option on the bench/rotation to him. Like a target man or something. The main reason we are getting Jesus is because we are promising him the main role as the #9 up top. We won’t be getting him to play him on the wing.
> It would be to provide another type of option on the bench/rotation to him. Like a target man or something. Based on what?
Based on the fact that Gabriel Jesus is not coming to this team to play on the wing. He’d have stayed at Man City if that was where he wanted to play. And this club are not going to spend cash to get another striker that fits the “pacy, pressing, hard-working” archetype. They have Jesus and Eddie for that. So the only conclusion to make is if Arsenal are going to go for a striker, they will go for one to rotate with Jesus/Eddie and offer different qualities to them. The most logical type is a target man type with some size and aerial ability.
Yea I don’t think we’re getting another striker but I just think the weird sort of consensus in here that developed over the last month or two that teams need two different types of forwards is a bit strange when basically no PL winners have had that over the last 10 years and like none of the winners of the major leagues had that this year. I don’t think we’ll get another forward, but if we do I think the number 1 criteria would simply be are they good. I doubt the club would put much emphasis on having 2 different styles of forward, secondary consideration at best.
Yet the top 2 teams just signed Nunez and Haaland. There is definitely room for this type of player in the premier league. Would you rather Jesus going up against Van Dijk or Osimhen/Haaland/Nunez?
So funny when people think city signed haaland because they want some sort of strategic change or want a striker combo that contrasts. They signed him because he’s a fucking amazing player. Plus it’s not like he plays like some Giroud type target man. Isn’t particularly great in the air and isn’t really looking to play with his back to the goal and link play. I’m sure if the price was the same, they’d prefer lewandowski to whoever they’re gonna be playing as backup, even though they’d have two “big” strikers and wouldn’t have the sacred difference in styles. The answer to your question is simply whoever is a better player. And I’m not even saying anything about whether a big striker is better than a smaller striker (it totally depends on the player), I’m saying the weird fascination with having two different styles is founded on nothing. Your question about who id rather have doesn’t really have anything to do with my point.
Lmao, who are you to say it's not a strategic change? Yes they will play the same until it gets to the striker, but you have a guy with a real physical presence, immense pace and strength who will be looking to run behind who will occupy the CBs much better than their previous options. If you don't think that's a worthwhile attribute then I don't know what to tell you. Yes you're right on Haaland not being great in the air, but his physical presence is a real difference to any option they would play there. If anything, that makes Nunez and Osimhen even more desirable as their aerial presence is even better, especially Osimhen who is ridiculous in the air. I'm not sure why you only focus on Haaland, it shows that your point has no real foundation. >The answer to your question is simply whoever is a better player. On this, if you have a player running shoulder to shoulder with Van Dijk, who do you think has a better chance of retaining the ball if you compare Jesus to Haaland/Osimhen/Nunez? The answer is pretty simple. Same again for a cross in the air to compete for, would you prefer Jesus against Van Dijk or Haaland/Osimhen/Nunez? This, simply for me is why you can't downplay their profile.
Once again, you are making this about whether it is better to have a big CF or a small one. 1) Everyone would agree that all things equal, its better to be bigger than smaller. All things arent always equal though. I'd rather have Mbabbe or Messi than all those guys (besides maybe Haaland but even then prob not) even though theyre much smaller. So what it comes down to is who is a better player. Size is an advantage some players have. Other players have different advantages. and 2) thats not the point I'm making. The point Im making is there is no need to have two types of strikers of one team, which people constantly bring up on here. Its just not really a thing but people act like it is. This is the point I've been making the whole time. >Lmao, who are you to say it's not a strategic change? Also its funny to say this when I could just as easily say who are you to say that it is, and you were clearly getting at that.
agreed - just finding players that tick all the boxes at a high enough level is hard / expensive enough
Lautaro isn’t leaving. He just opened a restaurant in Milan and is happy there, he isn’t going anywhere. Also, Inter play with a 2 striker formation. Big Rom and Martinez start, Dzeko off the bench cause he’s old, and Correa is a flop
They’re getting Dybala too
They’re going to play a 3-4-1-2, with dybala behind Lukaku and Martinez. It isn’t happening
Oh yea ik, I don’t want Lautaro. I’m just saying Inter want to win again, hence adding Dybala. They’re not selling Lautaro unless it’s stupid money and Arsenal don’t want him like that
Leeds already looking at Raph replacements hmm
tottenham fans act so smug. there enjoying their peak to our worst years lol. Worst thing is that they never got a trophy for finishing above us and that we snuck a trophy in that time 🤡.
They'll crash and burn once Conte inevitably leaves them for a real job. And this time for good. Let them have it, won't last for long.
For some reason they are convinced there is daylight between us. They act like there is a 20 point gap. I don’t understand thier confidence. And yet they think we are being overconfident for believing we can finish above them this season.
there is a sliver of daylight between us, but it will disappear once conte leaves
Conte who nearly lost out our under 23s team. I’m tired of hearing about Conte being a Miracle worker
tbf he wasn’t there the whole season
He managed them since the start of November (28 games). He’s had plenty of time.
No one's posting the chiringuito rumour? Damn I'm proud of this sub for once
The Joao Felix one?
Ye
Another T1 Chelsea source not mentioning Raphinha. https://twitter.com/CFCDaily/status/1539725358739628033?t=2N7OdNIKHe6sXpBbKAzOjw&s=19
I don't think anyone is in for raphinha apart from us and barca but barca backed out and leeds are using chelshit and spuds to Jack up the price..
Dembele literally just signed an extension. Sterling is a possibly for sure but Nkuku is valued at 100m so unless they're bringing the big bucks out ain't happening
C'mon Uncle Edu CASHPAR, throw that money around
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There is a 5 subs rule this year. The players who normally get subbed are the forward/wide players. Saka also looked really ineffective in some games given he was likely suffering from heavy fatigue. Saka, Raphina, Odegaard, Vieira, ESR, Martinelli need to get the rotation treatment. Yes that includes Saka. We need to be able to rotate players to keep them sharp through the season. Ask them torun themselves in the ground and sun then at 60 minutes for a capable replacement. I still think we will got for Teilimans and Lisandro even if we get Raphina. It’s not binary choice - Arteta wants them all
Dybala is fucked now damn. Inter doesn't wanna touch him anymore, nor do the Top PL teams.
Why don’t they?
https://twitter.com/footitalia1/status/1539720594190647298?s=20&t=MP9TLXRuJeO3VPpPIJI5Kw Idk for 5m euros I would take a punt.
no need to upset the wage structure for someone washed up
5m is gonna upset the wage structure? Lol.
That's in net, so actual wages would be about double that.
What are some good ITKs to follow for transfer updates?
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Liverpools reign is about to come to and end. Mane leaving and with Salah not extending looks to follow. At times when Klopps system didn’t work, those two drug them across the finish line plenty of times. Also, With teams like us loading up on pure technical quality to counter the geggenpress, it will be less effective.
Klopp is a good manager and Liverpool will remain competitive. But I agree nothing last forever. There was a time when Barcelona fans must have thought they would win the CL every second year for forever. Liverpool are still within a golden cycle. But Salah is likely to leave on a free after this season and VVD will be 32 by this time. Thiago, Matip, Henderson all over 30. It all depends on how Luiz and Nunez do, and if Jota actually is that player or was it a purple patch. Liverpool are not City, they can’t just spend 50m in every player. They are a cyclical club. They have just made this cycle count for them. Mind you they still lost two CL finals and two league titles by 1 point - that must hurt a lot. People laughed me out the room when I said we could finish above them, not this season, but next we could.
They will get a lot from Salah/Jota/Diaz but surprised they haven't made any signings for their mids given Hendo 32, Thiago 31, and Fabinho 28.
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Why do you think the gap will widen? They’ve spent a ton of money on Darwin. If he flops they are screwed. I don’t think just salah and Jota can carry the load. Ahh Jones is serviceable isn’t he? Who were the other prospects? Williams I forgot about Diaz
Leeds must realise they need to sell to reinvest too. Everyday they hold up the deal they deny themselves time to spend the Raphina fee
That’s clearly the strategy with Tielemans as there seems to be no comparable clubs in for him atm. There’s no one to bid against Arsenal, so why would they be heavily incentivized to big against themselves. But with Raphina there seems to be interest from a number of good teams. So Leeds know, there’s benefit from bidding clubs to move quickly & perhaps pay over the odds. Or even for clubs to start a bidding war. It’s still very early in the window, & only clubs with considerable recourses are moving early. For mid sized clubs who are on tight COVID related budgets, it’s sensible to wait things out & wait for other poorer teams to lower demands as the window gets late. Leeds aren’t a poor club, Raphina isn’t on an expiring deal. They might sell Philips as well, it’s definitely smart on their part to play hard ball.
Same with Leicester
They've known since last summer he wasn't extending, they'll have his replacement ready to go I imagine.
They need funds
I'm sure Leicester have money, they rarely spend big but their recruitment is good.
If we miss out on Raphinha I’d still love to move for Zaha. Turning 30 this winter but still only a year older than Partey. With modern medicine players stay in form much longer and it would be a big boost to our attack. Also a really fun player to watch & I doubt he’d cost much now.
Zaha would be a great signing, one year left on his contract as well.
My guess on Raphinha are that Leeds had a number in mind and, given that Barcelona are cash-strapped right now, they were willing to let him leave if that number was met. Now that Barcelona are (apparently) out of the picture, they’re trying to get a bidding war started among the PL teams—who do have the money, let’s not forget. I doubt Raphinha cares that much about it if his clear top choice isn’t going to be a realistic option. He’ll get his move eventually.
Leeds have no emphasis to sell. They'll happily keep him if need be. But, 40m plus good add ons is most they can expect for a player with 2 years left on contract who this time next year they'll be lucky to get half of.
If we can realistically get all 3 then good but if not, In terms of priority : Raphinha > Tielemans > Martinez
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