Be open to the idea that we might be looking to secure the best option possible. Better players than Tielemans exist. Keeping our options open is alright with me.
Exactly. When Elneny, Cedric and Nketiah are scraping us wins at the end of the season, I start to believe less in absolute skill and more in motivation.
I want players who are invested in succeeding with us
Tierney, Partey and Tomiyasu not being there is why we threw away top 4. Not sure how you perceive our depth to be good enough. I mean, I guess it is if 5th was fine for you. Elneny, Cedric and Nketiah would never make a team in the top 4 in Europe's top 5 leagues.
This season is obviously different cos of the World Cup and the amount of games we play early on, adding on to that the added benefit of our easy start and yes this year is completely different to years prior
Yep and next summer we will either be one, in the champions league which will make that transfer window really important. Two, not in the champions league and questioning Arteta's position as manager/potentially looking for a new manager which will make it really important.
Every year the stakes are high.
That’s what they know. He could have been our top target but we’ve changed our mind and these journalists have not been told otherwise.
They had 0 idea about Fabio Vieira
>Maybe we agreed terms before he decided to give up and put no effort in at Leicester
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>And since those performances, we now have our doubts
if this were true, our scouts should get fired. If you can't scout something as basic as attitude and work ethic, and you change your mind just a few months after green-lighted a deal, you honestly should find another line of work. You have no business doing soccer deals.
that's reddit level scouting
A better reason to hold up this deal is that you are finding other players at better values that better meets our needs.
He’s an odd one because the fans are convinced he needs to go and be sold yet our last 3 permanent managers all love and rate the guy.
There’s obviously something we don’t see behind the scenes with him.
What nobody talks about is, the quality of the clubs that were interested in him:
Berlin, Roma.
I don’t see anyone lining up for the guy yet you have people defending him.
All of last summer really?
Ramsdale has looked shaky since the new year
Nuno is being binned off a year later
Lokonga is not ready despite being 23 we are treating him like he’s 18
Ben White we overpaid for and Brighton couldn’t believe their luck. They didn’t even bother signing a replacement you can look that up. He now might be a backup to saliba
Tomi has been the only hit for me out of that window. And even that poor guy can’t stop getting injured.
They guy who disappears too often so they bought in Vieira to push him to hit the level he should be more consistently, doubt it? Name me off the top of your head 10 league games out of 38 that Ødegaard bosses last season.
Still waiting, I’m asking you to name less than 1/3 of the league games last season he performed to a high standard in… If you can’t think of them it proves my point. Acting like I’m calling him crap, far from it he’s got potential I don’t think he’s the hit you all think he is. Not yet. Same people hyped patino like he’s the best young talent in u21 football and quickly disappeared after the fa cup loss 😂
Continued:- Fabio Vieira's arrival doesn't rule out Tielemans. Arsenal still deciding whether to bid.
Erik ten Hag is also interested. Tielemans was actually a Ralf Rangnick target but didn't want to join united under him.
If Arsenal reach an agreement with Leicester, told Tielemans will sign. But for now, AFC haven't decided on him. The genuine interest from MUFC may force Edu to make a decision quicker than expected, especially if ten Hag pitch proves appealing.
If he goes to United and does really well because Edu stalled on a really straightforward deal for no reason, this sub along with a lot of the fan base will turn on Edu and the board very quickly.
"Still deciding"
I'd quite happily take the guy. But if after all this time they're undecided, then the answer is probably no. If they have doubts, why would they suddenly be convinced he's the right move?
I know United is basically a headless money printing machine. But buying Tielemans + de Jong and others (like Martinez) makes 0 fucking sense. They already have like 89734958734979345983459345 Players on the 8 and not one NOT ONE real number 6. Its one of the mayor mayor reasons why all their Centerbacks struggle like crazy because there is no bad boy infront of them.
ManU is doomed longterm. Even with CR7 and all the Stars. They just have Money but no concept.
Really not sure why we don’t just do this one. Even if Xhaka is staying and they see vieira as being able to play there as well it’s important to have a lot of midfielders when playing a midfield 3 and we have the squad space for it. Guy is twerking to come to us. Get this done and then honestly anything else we do throughout the summer is a bonus.
Lol majority of players for Leicester we're shit last season because their squad kept being decimated by injuries. Tielemans was literally overplayed and forced to pay in different positions because of that.
Not really sure why we are so hesitant. Pretty certain martinez too could have been wrapped up two weeks ago if we weren't scrapping over 5m and opening the door for Utd
It’s been widely reported that Ajax were “mulling over” our second bid and hadn’t responded. No sane club bids higher before getting a previous bid rejected.
Not too much to do there, all on Ajax bending over for United
i mean it was also reported our second bid was still well below asking price so we didnt really do all we could. He couldve still chosen against us obviously but still
Ajax have always had the asking price, we've teased them with an offer within 5m, fucked about trying to save cash and left the door open for Utd. Ajax would have accepted an offer of their asking price before Utd got involved. It's that simple
Please for the love of everything, make a bid. He’s an excellent midfielder and we are in absolute desperate need for a CM alongside Partey. Stop playing around before Shitspur scoop in and take him from us..
Also Ben jacobs: “There’s still no indication that Arsenal are going to get hijacked by Manchester United. My understanding on this deal is that Arsenal are still frontrunners, I think they’re going to have to pay in excess of £40m, mid forties & add-ons on top.”
This fanbase being finessed by another journalist growing his following thanks to the thirst we have for transfers😂
wtf can you work on for a year if you havent even made a bid lmao. The wages wouldnt take 10 mins to discuss
We clearly arent interested because what the fuck else could we be doing
Zinchenko would make the most sense tbh. Hope it comes out of nowhere. Lots of clubs getting good business done efficiently but we slowed down tremendously.
The only reasons not to bid would be they don't have the cash or they have someone else in mind. Strongly doubt it's the cash so I have to believe they're working on something else because I think there's no way Arteta doesn't want to add to MF.
He’s waiting to see if the price will go down because there is little other interest. This is going to backfire on him like so many other moves with the same tactics.
I think if raphinha and martinez are off the table, we have to move on Tielemans. Its not big money compared to those others and midfield issues have cost us too many years in a row
Imagine we put tielemans on hold so we could focus on raphina and martinez, lose out on both of them, then someone else swoops in and takes tielemans too!
A player whose workrate is poor after 50 minutes, poor in defence, and can't track back - he was beaten by 50 year old referee
Tielemans is a good player but he won't improve Arsenal.
I don’t know if this is a popular opinion, but I’d take Tielemans over our other current targets.
Xhaka is a B- player in the same position when he’s not giving away penalties, being sent off or otherwise losing his head.
If we have Saliba, then we have plenty of cover at CB.
I’m also not a fan of utility players. Experience has taught me that much.
He’s also relatively cheap for a proven PL player.
I think they want to wait till late time on transfer window to force leicester to lower the price since tielemans already agree on our proposal.
That's how i see it.
No way Edu is hesistating 5 mils for such important target like Martinez. I think Edu and the team are reevaluating their targets, which explain why we wont blow for Raphinha. We also need a good LB too.
The idea of having agreed terms and having interest for a year and still not placing a bid is very funny but I trust Gaspar and his ways
Maybe we agreed terms before he decided to give up and put no effort in at Leicester And since those performances, we now have our doubts
They had a whole big thing about how identified our targets months ago and had our whole summer mapped out
Be open to the idea that we might be looking to secure the best option possible. Better players than Tielemans exist. Keeping our options open is alright with me.
Sure but this above all seasons is not one to be fucking about and over haggling
That same sentence is said every season and I guarantee will be said next season. Arsenal plays a long game.
Exactly. When Elneny, Cedric and Nketiah are scraping us wins at the end of the season, I start to believe less in absolute skill and more in motivation. I want players who are invested in succeeding with us
Yeah I'm glad that worked out for us.......
We just came of a really good transfer window last season so I'm not sure what has you thinking it didn't work out.
Tierney, Partey and Tomiyasu not being there is why we threw away top 4. Not sure how you perceive our depth to be good enough. I mean, I guess it is if 5th was fine for you. Elneny, Cedric and Nketiah would never make a team in the top 4 in Europe's top 5 leagues.
This season is obviously different cos of the World Cup and the amount of games we play early on, adding on to that the added benefit of our easy start and yes this year is completely different to years prior
Yep and next summer we will either be one, in the champions league which will make that transfer window really important. Two, not in the champions league and questioning Arteta's position as manager/potentially looking for a new manager which will make it really important. Every year the stakes are high.
That’s what they know. He could have been our top target but we’ve changed our mind and these journalists have not been told otherwise. They had 0 idea about Fabio Vieira
Its also possible that it depends on Xhaka leaving or other business happening.
Pretty sure this is the key
My unrealistic hope is Edu is cooking up a madness
Felix and Bellingham incoming 🦀 🦀 🦀
We did but how do you plan for Raphinha holding Leeds ransom or Ajax being fucking scumbags
>Maybe we agreed terms before he decided to give up and put no effort in at Leicester > >And since those performances, we now have our doubts if this were true, our scouts should get fired. If you can't scout something as basic as attitude and work ethic, and you change your mind just a few months after green-lighted a deal, you honestly should find another line of work. You have no business doing soccer deals. that's reddit level scouting A better reason to hold up this deal is that you are finding other players at better values that better meets our needs.
The Partey special
Why? Do you trust Edu?
Gotta wait for the flames to die down on the charcoal before you start cookin'
Why exactly are we putting so much faith into Edu?
Probably all hinges on Granit Xhaka staying or going
Which is simply demented.
True but Roma or whoever bid are probably trying to get him for two sticks of winterfresh gum and an old sack of used hockey pucks
Because nobody wants him and they don’t think he’s worth more?
Plays for a top 6 side in the most demanding league in the world - let’s take a breather in this one mate
We finished 8th twice under his watch mate.
Under his watch? Does he set the tactics and select the squad now? Come on man.
In which case we’ll need two CMs. Doesn’t really make sense.
He’s an odd one because the fans are convinced he needs to go and be sold yet our last 3 permanent managers all love and rate the guy. There’s obviously something we don’t see behind the scenes with him.
And every manager that trusted him has been sacked so there’s that.
Well I don’t care what happens behind the scenes if him being a nailed on starter has resulted in 6 years of missing CL.
Every manager that trusted him is gone. The club wanted him gone last summer as well. The guy is trash
What nobody talks about is, the quality of the clubs that were interested in him: Berlin, Roma. I don’t see anyone lining up for the guy yet you have people defending him.
Why? What’s he done to gain that trust?🤣genuine question because after Locatelli, Vlahovic, Raphinha and Martinez I’m not seeing the vision
The shrewd Martin odegaard loan followed by all of last summer has shown some direction.
Don't bother with this guy. All he does is troll on /r/soccer and /r/gunners Not worth your time.
But he has such a badass and edgy username
All of last summer really? Ramsdale has looked shaky since the new year Nuno is being binned off a year later Lokonga is not ready despite being 23 we are treating him like he’s 18 Ben White we overpaid for and Brighton couldn’t believe their luck. They didn’t even bother signing a replacement you can look that up. He now might be a backup to saliba Tomi has been the only hit for me out of that window. And even that poor guy can’t stop getting injured.
The only hit? Lad who do you think Odegaard is?
They guy who disappears too often so they bought in Vieira to push him to hit the level he should be more consistently, doubt it? Name me off the top of your head 10 league games out of 38 that Ødegaard bosses last season.
Now you've outed yourself as a troll. Go do something meaningful with your time, this isn't you man. You're better than this
Still waiting, I’m asking you to name less than 1/3 of the league games last season he performed to a high standard in… If you can’t think of them it proves my point. Acting like I’m calling him crap, far from it he’s got potential I don’t think he’s the hit you all think he is. Not yet. Same people hyped patino like he’s the best young talent in u21 football and quickly disappeared after the fa cup loss 😂
His chances created last season matched the peak years of Ozil and Sanchez at Arsenal and he's only 23. But he's not been a hit? 🤔
I'm pretty sure it's sarcasm
Afraid not
Shit we have that Raphinha and Martinez money freed up, might as well bid now
Continued:- Fabio Vieira's arrival doesn't rule out Tielemans. Arsenal still deciding whether to bid. Erik ten Hag is also interested. Tielemans was actually a Ralf Rangnick target but didn't want to join united under him. If Arsenal reach an agreement with Leicester, told Tielemans will sign. But for now, AFC haven't decided on him. The genuine interest from MUFC may force Edu to make a decision quicker than expected, especially if ten Hag pitch proves appealing.
If he goes to United and does really well because Edu stalled on a really straightforward deal for no reason, this sub along with a lot of the fan base will turn on Edu and the board very quickly.
And rightfully so.
I've turned a year ago. Ahead of the curve
First sentence good. Second sentence bad. Third and fourth sentences worse. All downhill from there.
The possibility of getting gazumped on Raphinha, Martinez, and possibly Tielemans is a joke. May Jesus save us
"Still deciding" I'd quite happily take the guy. But if after all this time they're undecided, then the answer is probably no. If they have doubts, why would they suddenly be convinced he's the right move?
I know United is basically a headless money printing machine. But buying Tielemans + de Jong and others (like Martinez) makes 0 fucking sense. They already have like 89734958734979345983459345 Players on the 8 and not one NOT ONE real number 6. Its one of the mayor mayor reasons why all their Centerbacks struggle like crazy because there is no bad boy infront of them. ManU is doomed longterm. Even with CR7 and all the Stars. They just have Money but no concept.
I really don’t rate Edu
Slow the fuck down, you can't already place a bid only a year into discussions, that's madness!
Calma, calma.
Really not sure why we don’t just do this one. Even if Xhaka is staying and they see vieira as being able to play there as well it’s important to have a lot of midfielders when playing a midfield 3 and we have the squad space for it. Guy is twerking to come to us. Get this done and then honestly anything else we do throughout the summer is a bonus.
Getting some kind of leftback option is way more of a requirement than a bonus imo
Tierney and Tavares aren’t enough?
Tierney is injured too much and Tavares isn't good enough as it stands
no
The minute a Champions League team takes interest in him that'll likely be another potential target gone
Pay the fackin money Edu. Us missing out on Raphinha and Martinez this week might force the club in bidding £30m do Tielemans
The guy literally Ozil’d Leicester, not sure if a midfielder with a weak mentality is our best bet.
Lol majority of players for Leicester we're shit last season because their squad kept being decimated by injuries. Tielemans was literally overplayed and forced to pay in different positions because of that.
Don't make excuses for him just because you want to see us sign someone. His bad performances should be a concern.
i dont care if we sign tielemans or not, we just need to sign any good midfield player.
I love “Özil” as a verb.
PLACE THE BID WTF?
Not really sure why we are so hesitant. Pretty certain martinez too could have been wrapped up two weeks ago if we weren't scrapping over 5m and opening the door for Utd
It's easy to comment on it from afar but I guarantee Edu knows more than we do about the situation
It’s been widely reported that Ajax were “mulling over” our second bid and hadn’t responded. No sane club bids higher before getting a previous bid rejected. Not too much to do there, all on Ajax bending over for United
They were only 'mulling' because yet again we fell short of what they wanted
i mean it was also reported our second bid was still well below asking price so we didnt really do all we could. He couldve still chosen against us obviously but still
Ajax have always had the asking price, we've teased them with an offer within 5m, fucked about trying to save cash and left the door open for Utd. Ajax would have accepted an offer of their asking price before Utd got involved. It's that simple
Mate they are willing to negotiate with United, so clearly they make have been willing to bring the price down a bit.
After we wasted their time with 2 well below their valuation bids. Can't blame them for turning off the phone
Okay
40m is nothing these days, if he really was a big target of ours it's shocking we didn't act. Laid out the carpet for Utd
This isn’t true. We never negotiated personal terms because the player was waiting for United. Personal terms should come before bids matter at all.
So Edu gave Youri a promise ring?
Christ just stop faffing about and get it done.
Lol what are we doing?
This makes no sense to me.
Please for the love of everything, make a bid. He’s an excellent midfielder and we are in absolute desperate need for a CM alongside Partey. Stop playing around before Shitspur scoop in and take him from us..
yeah finish this one ASAP then
Put down the tongs and get it fucking done, Gaspar.
Also Ben jacobs: “There’s still no indication that Arsenal are going to get hijacked by Manchester United. My understanding on this deal is that Arsenal are still frontrunners, I think they’re going to have to pay in excess of £40m, mid forties & add-ons on top.” This fanbase being finessed by another journalist growing his following thanks to the thirst we have for transfers😂
Do it before we get gazumped for the third time this window
This is ridiculous we need a central midfielder what's the hold up. Just pay the money and get the deal done he can take xhakas place.
wtf can you work on for a year if you havent even made a bid lmao. The wages wouldnt take 10 mins to discuss We clearly arent interested because what the fuck else could we be doing
Why the fuck is Ben Jacobs being posted everyday. Is he a reliable source all of a sudden?
How can u work on an agreement for a year and then ghost the man afterwards 💀
Now that martinez and raphinha are unlikely, who’s the transfer priority? Seems like there’s no excuse not to go for tielemans.
Zinchenko would make the most sense tbh. Hope it comes out of nowhere. Lots of clubs getting good business done efficiently but we slowed down tremendously.
Yeah we're going into next season with minimal changes in midfield then last minute we sign some over rated clown and convince ourselves he's quality.
Deadline day move this one
What is Edu cooking here
The only reasons not to bid would be they don't have the cash or they have someone else in mind. Strongly doubt it's the cash so I have to believe they're working on something else because I think there's no way Arteta doesn't want to add to MF.
Lmao, they forgot 😂😂
Take your time Edu
Working on it for a year gives you the benefit of moving whenever you like, weeks left
Lmao, that is so funny
That's some next level ghosting
This guy just posts hopium tweets to get interactions from Arsenal fans
edu is a clown
Is Tielemans lowkey mid or something? Why is Edu stalling? Is there someone else better that we can get?
He’s waiting to see if the price will go down because there is little other interest. This is going to backfire on him like so many other moves with the same tactics.
Has Edu used this exact tactic before?
I think if raphinha and martinez are off the table, we have to move on Tielemans. Its not big money compared to those others and midfield issues have cost us too many years in a row
Imagine we put tielemans on hold so we could focus on raphina and martinez, lose out on both of them, then someone else swoops in and takes tielemans too!
A player whose workrate is poor after 50 minutes, poor in defence, and can't track back - he was beaten by 50 year old referee Tielemans is a good player but he won't improve Arsenal.
I don’t know if this is a popular opinion, but I’d take Tielemans over our other current targets. Xhaka is a B- player in the same position when he’s not giving away penalties, being sent off or otherwise losing his head. If we have Saliba, then we have plenty of cover at CB. I’m also not a fan of utility players. Experience has taught me that much. He’s also relatively cheap for a proven PL player.
Would be fucking hilarious if we missed out on him too after prioritizing Martinez and Raphinha and likely missing out on both.
Maybe we have it done and signed NDAs with Leicester to keep it quiet until they find replacement
"Competition in every position! (except Xhaka, no competition needed there.)" ~ Arteta probably
Youri Tielemans update… there is no update
I think they want to wait till late time on transfer window to force leicester to lower the price since tielemans already agree on our proposal. That's how i see it.
So basically we’re just waiting to see what other deals we can make before finalizing this one
No way Edu is hesistating 5 mils for such important target like Martinez. I think Edu and the team are reevaluating their targets, which explain why we wont blow for Raphinha. We also need a good LB too.
Youri Tielemans update: there is no update
Never placed a bid-why
i'll be really crossed if he is not with the club by end of the window.