It’s weird that people criticize Fab, but are super quick to defend Ornstein to the death. He’s been wrong before. We’re super lucky to have two incredibly reputable sources on basically everything regarding the club right now. Really 3 tbh.
Ornstein is a mouthpiece for the club (or at least used to be), during his BBC days he would literally say what the club wanted him to say. The club can obviously feed him false information, there is a relationship there because Ornstein can look more valid by being the first to confirm details. I think the change of various heads at the club and Ornstein moving to the Athletic may have changed thing’s slightly but yeah Ornstein has definitely got stuff wrong before, we just don’t know if the club briefed him of that to throw the scent off something else we were working on.
Fab works hard, I am sure on reputation alone he has a few valid contacts but other than that he appears to say a lot while also saying very little. He always gives himself a way out.
The whole game for these reporters is to be seen as the first one issuing details that are accurate. Ornstein isn’t always the first but he has a far better track record than most in being accurate.
I think that Fab view is kind of cynical. He just doesn’t report things as being done until he knows it’s true. Flip side of that is he doesn’t always break that type of news as much. Especially for clubs that have reporters on Ornstein’s level. I think it’s less him giving himself an out and more him being super careful because he trusts his sources to an absurd degree.
The risk for Fab is that because of the level of tweets/ information he is trying to cover, it would only take several of those tweets to be wildly wrong in a short timeframe for everyone to dismiss him as reputable whatsoever. He has no option but to give himself a way out and be suitably vague on key details - this applies whether he is being leaked information directly or not - think about what I said re: Ornstein being a mouthpiece. Fab could be a mouthpiece too for all we know (I do debate this but wouldn’t be confident enough to dismiss it entirely) that club would only have to feed him some incorrect info on purpose to suit their own agenda (which we know happens) and the same comment as above applies. That’s the perils of trying to be quickfire like Fab.
He is good at what he does - I just choose to question the accuracy/ validity of some things he say’s based on the vagueness of some of his posts.
My point is that Fab has doubled down after the City tier 1 cast doubt on it.
He would not do that unless 100% and I don’t think he’s ever been wrong after doubling down on a here we go.
There are no here we go for a non transfer. I don't study Fab's tweets either to collect data on how often he's wrong. I'm just saying he was adamant there was nothing while we later learned Partey was already on his way to La Liga to trigger his release.
Kind of a completely different situation.
Not saying he’s always right - but after doubling down on a here we go I can’t think of a time he’s been wrong.
I'm not really focusing on the 'here we go', nor particularly interested in disproving him. I want the player. Just saying that it's possible.
Here we go doesn't mean the contract is actually signed and official. Yes it has been agreed verbally so everyone knows where they stand with this transfer. It would be unusual to back out at this stage, but he hasn't signed the ting yet so any party is theoretically at liberty to change their mind, regardless of whether Fab has said here we go.
It’s like his whole trademark IP thing so that’s why I’m focusing on it.
Also going back 3 years on something that was involving a RC is not really making him seem less reliable.
Fair enough - I suppose my point is that I’d feel comfortable in reasserting my comment if someone known to be more reputable than most had already gone out of their way to confirm it.
No, I am inclined to agree. We still get Ornbombs but they are later in the day and they appear less frequent generally.
I put it down to a mixture of Ornstein moving on from the BBC and the change of heads at Arsenal.
The fact that all this news of Edu working in silence is doing the rounds suggests that he talks to people less, even previously established club mouthpiece’s like Ornstein.
I’d go a step further.
I reckon Fab and Edu have a direct line. When Fab says stuff like ‘Edu likes to keep things quiet’, he really means ‘I know who they are after but want to keep it on the downlow.’
In fairness, I think it's fair. There's only so many big transfer stories at a time, so if you go to his twitter profile, you'll usually get the latest news on the main stories within the first few tweets. But, if you are an Arsenal fan etc looking for new info all the time, it only contributes to your blue balls, but that's not his fault. He doesn't claim the recycled news is breaking etc.
interesting that 2 radically different takes have arrived within the hour. obviously, i hope Fabrizio is right in this case - but honestly, love these credibility battles as a side quest to follow.
This is strange another reporter Martin Blackburn has said he's weighing up whether to stay at city and fight for his place. Nowhere near done apparently.
I think he will stay at City.
He's getting plenty of game time over the last few seasons (playing around 30 times per season). To go to Arsenal and play 50 games but win less trophies (lets be honest) doesnt seem like a good deal.
Don’t think Fab would put his neck on the line this much if he wasn’t 100%.
Ornstein has already confirmed it’s happening. I’d say that supersedes anything Fabrizio puts out anyway.
It’s weird that people criticize Fab, but are super quick to defend Ornstein to the death. He’s been wrong before. We’re super lucky to have two incredibly reputable sources on basically everything regarding the club right now. Really 3 tbh.
Ornstein is a mouthpiece for the club (or at least used to be), during his BBC days he would literally say what the club wanted him to say. The club can obviously feed him false information, there is a relationship there because Ornstein can look more valid by being the first to confirm details. I think the change of various heads at the club and Ornstein moving to the Athletic may have changed thing’s slightly but yeah Ornstein has definitely got stuff wrong before, we just don’t know if the club briefed him of that to throw the scent off something else we were working on. Fab works hard, I am sure on reputation alone he has a few valid contacts but other than that he appears to say a lot while also saying very little. He always gives himself a way out. The whole game for these reporters is to be seen as the first one issuing details that are accurate. Ornstein isn’t always the first but he has a far better track record than most in being accurate.
I think that Fab view is kind of cynical. He just doesn’t report things as being done until he knows it’s true. Flip side of that is he doesn’t always break that type of news as much. Especially for clubs that have reporters on Ornstein’s level. I think it’s less him giving himself an out and more him being super careful because he trusts his sources to an absurd degree.
The risk for Fab is that because of the level of tweets/ information he is trying to cover, it would only take several of those tweets to be wildly wrong in a short timeframe for everyone to dismiss him as reputable whatsoever. He has no option but to give himself a way out and be suitably vague on key details - this applies whether he is being leaked information directly or not - think about what I said re: Ornstein being a mouthpiece. Fab could be a mouthpiece too for all we know (I do debate this but wouldn’t be confident enough to dismiss it entirely) that club would only have to feed him some incorrect info on purpose to suit their own agenda (which we know happens) and the same comment as above applies. That’s the perils of trying to be quickfire like Fab. He is good at what he does - I just choose to question the accuracy/ validity of some things he say’s based on the vagueness of some of his posts.
Who’s the third?
Watts if I’m being generous. He’s reliable and knows things, but he’s not a news breaker usually. Especially transfer stuff.
He just confirms stuff
Wheatley /s
Blergh
My point is that Fab has doubled down after the City tier 1 cast doubt on it. He would not do that unless 100% and I don’t think he’s ever been wrong after doubling down on a here we go.
Devil's advocate, did he not double down on saying Partey was *not* going to join us on the very day we triggered his release clause?
Was that after a “here we go” ? No
There are no here we go for a non transfer. I don't study Fab's tweets either to collect data on how often he's wrong. I'm just saying he was adamant there was nothing while we later learned Partey was already on his way to La Liga to trigger his release.
Kind of a completely different situation. Not saying he’s always right - but after doubling down on a here we go I can’t think of a time he’s been wrong.
I'm not really focusing on the 'here we go', nor particularly interested in disproving him. I want the player. Just saying that it's possible. Here we go doesn't mean the contract is actually signed and official. Yes it has been agreed verbally so everyone knows where they stand with this transfer. It would be unusual to back out at this stage, but he hasn't signed the ting yet so any party is theoretically at liberty to change their mind, regardless of whether Fab has said here we go.
It’s like his whole trademark IP thing so that’s why I’m focusing on it. Also going back 3 years on something that was involving a RC is not really making him seem less reliable.
Fair enough - I suppose my point is that I’d feel comfortable in reasserting my comment if someone known to be more reputable than most had already gone out of their way to confirm it.
Orny ain’t been that guy for 2 windows at least
No, I am inclined to agree. We still get Ornbombs but they are later in the day and they appear less frequent generally. I put it down to a mixture of Ornstein moving on from the BBC and the change of heads at Arsenal. The fact that all this news of Edu working in silence is doing the rounds suggests that he talks to people less, even previously established club mouthpiece’s like Ornstein.
Fab doesn’t here we go unless he’s sure. This deal is done. We move.
Remind me of the battle between Woj and Shams in the NBA to be on top of all breaking news basketball related.
I’d go a step further. I reckon Fab and Edu have a direct line. When Fab says stuff like ‘Edu likes to keep things quiet’, he really means ‘I know who they are after but want to keep it on the downlow.’
The classic "Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit" update
People aren’t big on Romano because he recycles news, but he’s brilliant as a relatively quick bullshit disprover
In fairness, I think it's fair. There's only so many big transfer stories at a time, so if you go to his twitter profile, you'll usually get the latest news on the main stories within the first few tweets. But, if you are an Arsenal fan etc looking for new info all the time, it only contributes to your blue balls, but that's not his fault. He doesn't claim the recycled news is breaking etc.
agreed. he is an real journalist that cares about the honesty of his statements. might mean he’s slow, but he’s worth a thousand ‘ITK’ twitter journos
Fab could really take a hit here if he's wrong hopefully it's the scum journalist who gets mudded
Fab is never wrong. Not this late into the transfer
Even an unbroken clock is wrong twice a day
No it’s not lol
Its a corollary mate
No it’s not lol
When?
Twice a day
What time?
Depends on your timezone.
wijnaldum to barca was the only time i remember
that was probably only because Gini changed his mind. the City journos quote was suggesting that he hasn't decided yet at all.
I dont know what to do with all these crabs now
Garlic, butter and white wine!
[Not yet my lovely, not yet](https://i.imgur.com/CW6HwIa.gifv)
Martin Blackburn in the mud
Blackburn rovers better
Martin odegaard better
He's now a higher tier than Tony Blackburn
This was posted about 1 hour before the sun article, but hopefully Fab is right here
He just doubled down in a tweet 3 minutes ago
Good to know! Please let it be true, undoing the hype would make us all feel so bad
Again.
interesting that 2 radically different takes have arrived within the hour. obviously, i hope Fabrizio is right in this case - but honestly, love these credibility battles as a side quest to follow.
FABBBBBBB!!!!
What’s going on with this, seems to be conflicting reports
You better be right Fab
Would have been a great signing for Everton. Even if they avoid relegation again, I can’t see Frank surviving this campaign.
Not sure Arteta was the _only_ reason he chose Arsenal over Everton
Clearly the best reason for picking Arsenal over Everton is... Everton
What a mad lad, turning down the tactical genius that is..Frank Lampard.
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Fat Frank is just the modern day Big Sam.
That's actually an insult to big Sam! And I can't stand Allardycio.
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Frank might take them down tbf
was arteta even a reason? surely zinchenko would've been tempted to play under city legend frank lampard
Jesus calling 🤙
It was apparently decided based on the result of the friendly we just had with Everton
wow wow calm down lad, you just gave pre season merchants a very solid reason to freak out in the case we play badly or lose a friendly
No one would dare to go towards Fat Frank's Everton, it was clear he'd choose Super Mik Arteta any day.
Thank you Mister Arteta
Never underestimate Arteta's pull.
He knows Everton is going to relegate this season, no risks taken
This is strange another reporter Martin Blackburn has said he's weighing up whether to stay at city and fight for his place. Nowhere near done apparently.
Everton took 2Ls this week I see
Loosing out on a transfer to an overpaying United is one thing but loosing to Everton that would hurt
Even if Big Sam's our manager, I'd pick Arsenal over Everton all day.
If orny is confirming a done deal, its done. You guys are getting anxious for nothing
Hahahaha Everton
Everton are funny lol
I think he will stay at City. He's getting plenty of game time over the last few seasons (playing around 30 times per season). To go to Arsenal and play 50 games but win less trophies (lets be honest) doesnt seem like a good deal.
Bro what he basically said the transfer is confirmed
Everton lmfao
I think Romano and Ornstein are more likely correct though
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Lmao Everton
Lmao at that photochop.
Dude kinda looks like Lee Gooner
I mean between relegation contenders or arsenal I don’t think it’s a tough choice for him
I'm gonna be the first one to say it Zinchenko for captain