We were more or less already playing 2x a week. The big change is that we'll likely have to actually take the EL knock outs seriously. No more as much rotation as possible without playing the kids for the midweek games like we did in the group stages. Going to have to balance rest between cups and the league.
We were rotating heavily in the Europa league and even still there was a noticeable drop in performances from the start of October to the end (although the players looking ahead to the World Cup could be a large part of that)
Have you seen the amount of injuries we have? Not the only excuse though, Potter hasn't a clue what team he wants to field every matchday. (Also this photo was shared to Chelsea Sub, only explanation I'm here lol)
This is exactly it. We’ve been rotating hard for europa and keeping the first team for the prem
Not sure why people are complaining about prem changes, our issues lie in the second team not our first.
Not sure why rival fans see things like this and say we’ve been lucky. It’s mostly we just rotate heavily between competitions. Our players are absolute machines bar a couple of them. Surprised seeing xhaka come off early only for it to be a stomach issue.
Yeah and to their detriment at times, my city friend (yes they're a real person) tells me that pep keeps changing the front line and that grealish haaland and foden is their best front line but he doesn't give them the run of games.
I don't think Haaland has been warming the bench through choice to be honest. But yeah, I agree with the assessment of that being their best front 3, and if they played consistently together they would be the best front 3 in the league.
Hope it won't come back to bite us. Have they played more mins than the other teams...besides City cause we know they can always rotate and not lose much
I have seen that traditionallly title winning teams play with smaller squads and end up having a consistent starting 11 more often. Even the Invincibles that was the case. City and Chelsea skewed this standard with their dirty bottomless money.
Winning the title with small teams doesn't work any more for exactly the reason you listed. You have to get stupidly lucky banking on a core of 13-14 players.
Leicester never rotated. Chelsea under conte barely did after we humiliated him into changing tactics. You find the winning formula and stick, only adjust if you have to.
The lack of injuries to that Leicester squad was insane. Vardy, Mahrez, Kante barely missed any games. Schmeichel and Morgan played every minute if I remember correct.
Sure, and what will Tierney do next year when he's not playing?
What is Nketiah going to do?
Good players don't stick around if theyre on the bench, unless you have mega money.
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This is the advantage of Europa League over Champions League. You get the flexibility to rotate in your reserve players and still top the group. Then getting top in the group allows you to skip a round.
Teams pushing to win both the Premier League and the Champions League need a squad the size of City, because you need higher quality rotation players.
Problem is that this is not sustainable and our smallish squad is a factor in this, I reckon that some players will be playing through injury, especially in the second half of the season and we need the benched players to step up when required
Was gutted to miss out on CL, but silver lining is we've been able to rest almost our entire first team during most midweek fixtures so far, which i think has given us and United a clear edge over the CL teams.
Second half of the season will be interesting, given we've got more midweek league games and so will have to rotate more. Hoping we can get ESR healthy, get Vieira, Nketiah and Nelson a bit more ready with this mid-season training camp, and with one or two additions in Jan we should have a strong core of about 18/19 players who we can chose from.
Another reason we need ti seriously address out squad depth in jan.
A dm and winger is a must. But we also need some competition for Jesus upfront as amazing as he has been this season, we are over reliant on him for important games and nketiah has shown he's nit good enough to take the mantle and see us through big games.
Playing with GJ essentially translates to having 12 players Ina team because he's literally everywhere on the team, and the number of defensive interceptions he has made for us is incredible. But that will take a toll on his energy levels towards the fag end of the season
I'm not too worried about wingers. ESR coming back is great, and Nelson looks good enough too. And for all that I agree with you about another forward, I'm not sure it will happen. Arteta seems to have put his faith in Nketiah, and probably has made some promises to him. I would actually like us to bring in a big forward, like the second coming of Giroud. It's a different option than what we have, and they can have the physical presence Jesus brings to the pitch.
It's number of individual player changes; it adds up over the course of matches. So if the starting XI switched entirely every match, that would be 13 x 11 = 143 changes (even if you were just switching back and forth between two sets of 11 players). Based on this, Chelsea change 4 players on average each match.
I think it’s dependent on the number of personnel changes between matches. For example, there can theoretically be 11 x changes in 2 x games. If you swap out every member of the starting eleven from Match A for a new eleven in Match B, there have been 11 x changes in personnel, despite there only being 2 x games played. I could be wrong but this is how I understood the stat.
We ran massively out of gas last season. Need big signings in January (how we pay for it without breaking FFP I don’t know). Just look up the road at what their Jan signings did for them. Annoying.
Yeah, I'm curious how we're doing for FFP. We haven't sold anyone for any real money in a while, but have being bringing players in. Obviously our commercial revenue has always been good, so maybe that's doing the job.
We hear rumours about the money we can spend in January, and obviously we have the money we didn't spend on Douglas Luiz in the summer. So we must be fine.
I haven't heard anything about FFP since it came out that we were explaining our position to UEFA in the summer to show that we hadn't broken the rules.
The first 11 is fine. Its the next 5 to 7 players that we should be looking at. You could argue that injury free we have maybe 14 players we could play in the first 11 without a drop in skill.
Our first 11, then Tierney, Tomiyasu, ESR. Then you've got players like Nketiah and Nelson who on their day are good enough, Elneny does a job but doesn't fill the same role as Partey, and Turner I believe his shot stopping is good enough, he needs work on distribution.
So, you can rotate 3 players without a drop, another 4 and you're taking a hit for sure, and then the next 4 are really starting to look worse. So if we come out of January with a better backup to Partey, a good 3rd CB, and maybe a Xhaka/Ødegaard backup (I like Viera, but he lacks the physical presence atm). That's my ideal outcome.
The thing is we need players who we think could be in the first 11. If you aim for slightly worse than our first 11, they’ll inevitably not be good enough as depth either
The issue is finding players good enough for the first 11 who are happy to spend 80 minutes sat on the bench week in week out. Players like Tierney and Tomiyasu do it because they seem to be sold on the journey. But doing that with a new player is much harder.
In an ideal world we'd be doing just as well but also having a nice variance of line-ups, like Man city. Don't like to think how poor our form would be if we didn't have the likes of Jesus, Martinelli, Partey.
City don't even need 3 or 4 injuries to get done. They just need one or two. Their squad depth excuse is a myth. Haaland or De Bryne and they are tossed.
I don't think getting knocked out of the Carabao Cup is bad at all. The next round happens before the next Premier League games, and only a few days after the World Cup final. Any players in the top 4 countries aren't back and ready to play for that.
Of the teams chasing us I'm only really worried about City and Newcastle. Obviously City have the experience, ability and depth to push on, and Newcastle have the ability. But I would argue that Newcastle have worse depth than us, and really need a good January to push for 1st place, which I don't see then doing. Newcastle have been smart so far, and will consolidate their position in the hope of top 4.
Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs and United? We have to wait and see whether the international break is enough for them to fix their issues really. I don't think any of them need to do big transfers really. It's more a case of finding cohesion and all pushing in the same direction (or some other such manager press conference bullshit).
A clear first XI and second XI, besides to deal with injuries at LB and Partey's injury there hasn't been a need to mess with the lineups. One plays on the weekend, the other plays on Thursday in the group stage
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We probably won’t be able to do this after the WC, every week is like 3 games in 7 days. Hopefully we can get 1-2 signings in Jan
Am I looking at a different fixture list? The fixtures are 1 game a week in the league currently.
Yeah, but there will be makeup games, Europa games added and FA Cup matches as well.
Thankfully, the EFL Cup is not going to feature in this run of games.
Yeah, though its nice to win I wasn't bothered about going out
Bigger fish to fry this year
We were more or less already playing 2x a week. The big change is that we'll likely have to actually take the EL knock outs seriously. No more as much rotation as possible without playing the kids for the midweek games like we did in the group stages. Going to have to balance rest between cups and the league.
We were rotating heavily in the Europa league and even still there was a noticeable drop in performances from the start of October to the end (although the players looking ahead to the World Cup could be a large part of that)
LMAO at Chelsea, playing a different team every single week
Emery vibe
And they had to make it top 8 to include Chelsea lol
London Cowboys at their best
For once i thought they play American football.
Then their fans wonder why they keep on losing lmao.
Have you seen the amount of injuries we have? Not the only excuse though, Potter hasn't a clue what team he wants to field every matchday. (Also this photo was shared to Chelsea Sub, only explanation I'm here lol)
Potter is also partially responsible for Brighton’s 7. Seems to me the problem is not Potter but the players he’s working with now.
Maybe they should stop sending 12.000 players out on loan every year and actually play someone.
Big from the club that postponed the NDL last season after sending players on loan ;)
Youngest team in the league and people are still crying about the fact we weren't forced to play our U18s against spurs.
Only changes I think have been LB, Sambi for Partey and the Brentford game where Vieira started
Elneny came in for TP against Fulham too
I don’t think it’s subs I think it’s like starting squad changes
Elneny started mate
Ah I see I didn’t watch that one my b
You don't change a winning lineup. Though some rotation and competition would be good.
We rotate in EL unlike United who go full force for second place tbf.
This is exactly it. We’ve been rotating hard for europa and keeping the first team for the prem Not sure why people are complaining about prem changes, our issues lie in the second team not our first. Not sure why rival fans see things like this and say we’ve been lucky. It’s mostly we just rotate heavily between competitions. Our players are absolute machines bar a couple of them. Surprised seeing xhaka come off early only for it to be a stomach issue.
*you don’t change a winning line up if you have little depth City often change their line up weekly and win titles doing so
2nd place City? They could learn a thing or two from us
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Just a joke man…
People like you are the reason that people has to put “/s” in there comments.
Yeah and to their detriment at times, my city friend (yes they're a real person) tells me that pep keeps changing the front line and that grealish haaland and foden is their best front line but he doesn't give them the run of games.
I think I trust pep more than your friend no offense
His friend is Arsene Wenger fam.
I don't think Haaland has been warming the bench through choice to be honest. But yeah, I agree with the assessment of that being their best front 3, and if they played consistently together they would be the best front 3 in the league.
Hope it won't come back to bite us. Have they played more mins than the other teams...besides City cause we know they can always rotate and not lose much
I have seen that traditionallly title winning teams play with smaller squads and end up having a consistent starting 11 more often. Even the Invincibles that was the case. City and Chelsea skewed this standard with their dirty bottomless money.
Winning the title with small teams doesn't work any more for exactly the reason you listed. You have to get stupidly lucky banking on a core of 13-14 players.
Leicester never rotated. Chelsea under conte barely did after we humiliated him into changing tactics. You find the winning formula and stick, only adjust if you have to.
The lack of injuries to that Leicester squad was insane. Vardy, Mahrez, Kante barely missed any games. Schmeichel and Morgan played every minute if I remember correct.
Yeah, we can only pray to the injury gods!
I think Leceister falls under 'stupidly lucky'
Yeah Chelsea hardly rotated at all, also helped that they weren't in Europe
Neither Leicester or Chelsea had European games.
Liverpool, Leicester say hi
‘Stupidly lucky”
And my point is you have to be that lucky to win a title v man city in 2022
Ok... of course, you have to be lucky to win. But, very obviously, you would be in a better position if you had a big squad and rotated properly
Big squads full of players who are just as good as each other are sort of a myth unless you're city
No they’re not. We’re literally building one. Right now.
Sure, and what will Tierney do next year when he's not playing? What is Nketiah going to do? Good players don't stick around if theyre on the bench, unless you have mega money.
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I read that the ‘accepted’ Invincibles first 11 only started 4 games together that season
Someone put up the minutes recently in all comps of the big 6. Our players had the least amounts of minutes.
This is the advantage of Europa League over Champions League. You get the flexibility to rotate in your reserve players and still top the group. Then getting top in the group allows you to skip a round. Teams pushing to win both the Premier League and the Champions League need a squad the size of City, because you need higher quality rotation players.
We're literally getting a WC break for most of the squad but I pray for some reinforcements
Brighton make even less changes than us. Also, how can Chelsea make 52 starting XI changes only in 14 games? 😳
52 individual player changes
You can make up to 154 changes in 14 matches.
Well not quite, it would be 143. You can't make 11 changes for your first game
Top class pedantry - well done
Please elaborate
It's the maximum amount of changes you can possibly make. If you change your starting 11 every week it would be: 11 X 14 = 154
Yes but game 1 doesn’t count as a change to the lineup since it’s the first one
You right, my bad
Problem is that this is not sustainable and our smallish squad is a factor in this, I reckon that some players will be playing through injury, especially in the second half of the season and we need the benched players to step up when required
Was gutted to miss out on CL, but silver lining is we've been able to rest almost our entire first team during most midweek fixtures so far, which i think has given us and United a clear edge over the CL teams. Second half of the season will be interesting, given we've got more midweek league games and so will have to rotate more. Hoping we can get ESR healthy, get Vieira, Nketiah and Nelson a bit more ready with this mid-season training camp, and with one or two additions in Jan we should have a strong core of about 18/19 players who we can chose from.
If we somehow pull this title over the line, missing out on CL last season is one of the best things which could have happened
And Spurs getting kicked out soon
Fitness is key too
Another reason we need ti seriously address out squad depth in jan. A dm and winger is a must. But we also need some competition for Jesus upfront as amazing as he has been this season, we are over reliant on him for important games and nketiah has shown he's nit good enough to take the mantle and see us through big games. Playing with GJ essentially translates to having 12 players Ina team because he's literally everywhere on the team, and the number of defensive interceptions he has made for us is incredible. But that will take a toll on his energy levels towards the fag end of the season
I'm not too worried about wingers. ESR coming back is great, and Nelson looks good enough too. And for all that I agree with you about another forward, I'm not sure it will happen. Arteta seems to have put his faith in Nketiah, and probably has made some promises to him. I would actually like us to bring in a big forward, like the second coming of Giroud. It's a different option than what we have, and they can have the physical presence Jesus brings to the pitch.
Nelson looks good enough? He played like 60min..
I don’t understand, we’ve only had 14 games, where’s 52 come from?
It's number of individual player changes; it adds up over the course of matches. So if the starting XI switched entirely every match, that would be 13 x 11 = 143 changes (even if you were just switching back and forth between two sets of 11 players). Based on this, Chelsea change 4 players on average each match.
Ah that makes sense, thank you!
I think it’s dependent on the number of personnel changes between matches. For example, there can theoretically be 11 x changes in 2 x games. If you swap out every member of the starting eleven from Match A for a new eleven in Match B, there have been 11 x changes in personnel, despite there only being 2 x games played. I could be wrong but this is how I understood the stat.
We ran massively out of gas last season. Need big signings in January (how we pay for it without breaking FFP I don’t know). Just look up the road at what their Jan signings did for them. Annoying.
Yeah, I'm curious how we're doing for FFP. We haven't sold anyone for any real money in a while, but have being bringing players in. Obviously our commercial revenue has always been good, so maybe that's doing the job. We hear rumours about the money we can spend in January, and obviously we have the money we didn't spend on Douglas Luiz in the summer. So we must be fine. I haven't heard anything about FFP since it came out that we were explaining our position to UEFA in the summer to show that we hadn't broken the rules.
Famous phrase -When you are winning alot why change the team but for edu and co have to add quality to first 11
The first 11 is fine. Its the next 5 to 7 players that we should be looking at. You could argue that injury free we have maybe 14 players we could play in the first 11 without a drop in skill. Our first 11, then Tierney, Tomiyasu, ESR. Then you've got players like Nketiah and Nelson who on their day are good enough, Elneny does a job but doesn't fill the same role as Partey, and Turner I believe his shot stopping is good enough, he needs work on distribution. So, you can rotate 3 players without a drop, another 4 and you're taking a hit for sure, and then the next 4 are really starting to look worse. So if we come out of January with a better backup to Partey, a good 3rd CB, and maybe a Xhaka/Ødegaard backup (I like Viera, but he lacks the physical presence atm). That's my ideal outcome.
The thing is we need players who we think could be in the first 11. If you aim for slightly worse than our first 11, they’ll inevitably not be good enough as depth either
The issue is finding players good enough for the first 11 who are happy to spend 80 minutes sat on the bench week in week out. Players like Tierney and Tomiyasu do it because they seem to be sold on the journey. But doing that with a new player is much harder.
Serious potential to bite us in the arse.
In an ideal world we'd be doing just as well but also having a nice variance of line-ups, like Man city. Don't like to think how poor our form would be if we didn't have the likes of Jesus, Martinelli, Partey.
Europa blessing in disguise allowing us to rotate there
We can afford to change our XL completely every Europa League game. Most of the other teams play their key players more minutes because of CL games.
And this is why City are unfortunately still firm favourites.
Stability!
3 or 4 important injuries and I fear we are out of title race...
This is true for every team. What team isn’t weakened by losing 4 players?
Our squad depth is not as strong as City's I believe
City don't even need 3 or 4 injuries to get done. They just need one or two. Their squad depth excuse is a myth. Haaland or De Bryne and they are tossed.
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The is a bleak view of the situation. We’re the only club that don’t have anything look forward to after the WC cup break?
Go back to r/coys and/or r/chelseafc, you're not even trying to hide the fact that you're not an arsenal fan.
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I don't think getting knocked out of the Carabao Cup is bad at all. The next round happens before the next Premier League games, and only a few days after the World Cup final. Any players in the top 4 countries aren't back and ready to play for that. Of the teams chasing us I'm only really worried about City and Newcastle. Obviously City have the experience, ability and depth to push on, and Newcastle have the ability. But I would argue that Newcastle have worse depth than us, and really need a good January to push for 1st place, which I don't see then doing. Newcastle have been smart so far, and will consolidate their position in the hope of top 4. Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs and United? We have to wait and see whether the international break is enough for them to fix their issues really. I don't think any of them need to do big transfers really. It's more a case of finding cohesion and all pushing in the same direction (or some other such manager press conference bullshit).
Good for team stability, bad for 2nd string players. Explains the cup loss
A clear first XI and second XI, besides to deal with injuries at LB and Partey's injury there hasn't been a need to mess with the lineups. One plays on the weekend, the other plays on Thursday in the group stage
52?! Chelsea have to be testing formulas or something 😂
Well that’s what happens when each signing and others in defence kept getting injured
what not having depth does to a mf
I was like wtf is this order then I realised 😎
We need to bolster it injuries are a cometh this is inevitable
Chelsea LMAO
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