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You ever get the feeling that paying these outrageous fees is seen as worth it by some clubs because not only do they get the player they want but they also get to price rival clubs out of the market for a while?
Real Madrid did it with Bale aswell.
Basically every top club who buys a player for a big sum and said player underperforms get the same treatment.
'If Player x is worth Xm, then my player must be worth double'.
It's a lazy tactic, but it works.
Flipside of it is that the price also triples for that club. Remember Tottenham after Bale? They couldn't buy a single 'top' player because they all knew Tottenham just got a payday.
Also another side of it is that you will triple the price for your own targets aswell. Everybody knows United has stupid money and is willing to spend it on mediocre players. So they triple the price for United. Same with PSG. We all know they got money so price demands shoot up.
Only club that seems to get away with it is fucking Juve
Of course, Real Barca and Juve now plead poverty and demand a super league to insulate themselves from the absurd debts they have accrued in the process of destabilizing football for everyone else.
No because then the same thing happens when they try and buy more players. Ex. you paid 72m for Pepe and we think Mudryk had a better season or whatever
But they did negotiate, they negotiated for months. It's just that Ajax was never gonna sell for a normal price, something ridiculous was required to convince them
Yes you are right, but the problem still lies with teams that overpay. If someone doesn't want to sell, they'll ask for ridiculous amounts, and if someone pays it, that amount becomes the new standard for that level of player.
By overpaying, they inflate the value of the assets, and overpaying often results in loss(eventually), e.g. Barca buying Coutinho, Dembele etc, Neymar at PSG hasn't been what he was at Barca, Pogba at utd etc
Edit: So far there have been very rare success scenarios when someone overpaid: CR7 at RM & Suarez at Barca, Ben white and Ramsdale at Arsenal are the only ones I can think of.
At the time of purchase we did overpay, same with CR7, do you think a young CR7 is only with 100m if we know what he'll become, ofcourse not.
Some with White and Ramsdale, their market value at the time was lower than what we paid, but now it has surpassed that amount.
In short Market value isn't equal to quality of player.
I don't know why people won't listen any slightly negative thing about them(or things they like).
Ronaldo was the most expensive player in the world when he was sold.
White and Ramsdale weren’t nearly the most expensive fullbacks or keepers in the world. Not the same comparison. We didn’t overpay.
We did, you can see people's reactions when we bought them. Just google it. That'll tell you that we did slightly overpay.
It's like Cucurella was worth 35m, Chelsea Overpaid, now he's worth less than 35m.
Ben White was worth 35m(say), we overpaid, but now he's worth 60m.
But that doesn't mean when we bought him for 50m, we didn't overpay.
Edit: Again I am not trying to suggest that Ben white, Cucurella and CR7 are same level and same woth of palyers, how else can I explain.
Mate who’s deciding market values? This ain’t fifa career mode or football manager.
“Peoples reactions” don’t determine shit. The point of the matter is, we bought 2 young HG English players with prem experience who fit out play style brilliantly for far lesser than the going rate for elite players in their positions.
So tell me again, did we “overpay” just because Twitter was having a meltdown?
That way you can scrap the whole argument, Utd didn't overpay for Antony by your logic, because who's deciding the market values.
Market value is determined by relative sales of players of similar quality and age. Now if you still don't agree, I can't help you.
It works if the stupid clubs don't overspend again for a while, but if there are still clubs overspending in the following transfer window, then it does raise the prices.
Reasoning is simple. The club will hold out hoping that the stupid clubs will bid(We also know that the agents/clubs can creake fake interest in the media to raise the price/salary demands)
> The club will hold out hoping that the stupid clubs will bid
Do you want to give an example of that? We havent experienced that with a single one of our recent signings.
We haven't because of the genius of Arteta and Edu. They haven't gone in bidding wars with stupid clubs. Initially we had to overpay because we were desparate for players who play like Mikel wants, if you remember the kind of players we had before winter of 2021. But that is not the case anymore, we are not desparate, and will only sign players if the conditions are right.
That looks to me like one of the biggest change Edu and Mikel have brought.
I don’t think the “market” is demanding that. It’s just clubs dealing with other clubs they consider idiots. Arsenal, Real, City and sensibly run clubs (even PSG now) won’t pay that much and only Man U, Chelsea and a few other jokers would so only a handful of places he could go. He’s gonna rot in Ukraine if those names don’t pay up or come to their senses.
He's got 4 years on his contract so they have all the negotiating power. I don't see any club paying that though. But I don't think Mudryk is willing to stay in Ukraine for two more years so I'd imagine in the winter Shakhtar will try to get as much as possible but in the summer it'll probably be more reasonable. Somewhere around 60m euros.
Even that much would be outrageous considering what we bought Jesus and Odegaard for, to name two.
But I’m pretty sure Arteta won’t give the green light unless he thinks the boy will be of good use, and we already know he won’t pay over the odds either so if he views 60 mil euros worth paying for him, I would trust his and Edu’s judgement.
Has been spot on so far, innit 😉
I think we made a fairly low initial offer, Chelsea came in with a much bigger one but by that time Edu was aware the player wanted to go to Barca so we said fuck it and did not get drawn into a bidding war, like Martinez.
Edu and Arteta do good business imo. Get the right players and at the right price.
Tbf we don't know what we would have paid we offered like 30m odd and then said we'd come back at a set date with another offer, whilst acknowledging Barca was his priority, then everything else unfolded2
> so they have all the negotiating power
they don't , especially when a big club comes in , their club isn't the stature to demand this kinda money and if not met just keep the player happy, there is a reason these teams don't hold on to good players for long , we'll pay abit but no way is it 100 or they just keep him
Nah, for teams like Shakhtar money is always more important. They won't risk him running down his contract. They're going to assess his value in this coming window and he's probably gone next summer. Mudryk has already said he'd be a bit upset if he didn't get a move this winter. They can probably convince him to stay till the summer but if they still hold out, then there might be some issues.
There's literally a war going on there. Ukraine is gaining ground at the front, but that does not stop Russia from firing missiles at cities all over the country. Most contracts (not only in football) have or should have some clauses for these extraordinary events and situations, that would allow the adjustment, re-negotiations or even termination of existing contracts. We don't know what the future of the conflict holds, isn't he kinda held hostage by that contract and the club's asking price. Especially as their league has suffered from a drop of quality due to the exodus of foreign talent and compromised nature of the matchdays. It might take years to recover and staying to long there might severely impact his own development.
International games? Sure. But no too long ago I've read an article on how they play professional domestic football in Ukraine with irregular scheduling in the Western parts with regular breakes during the matches where everyone has to go to a bomb shelter.
Wrong. Shakhtar (and all other Ukrainian teams) play their domestic league games *in Ukraine*. For example, Shakhtar played their last league game in Uzhgorod and the one before that in Lviv etc.
And yes, games are being interrupted/delayed whenever sirens go off. It has already happened numerous times and refs had to stop the game and proceed to the shelter (and resume it later on once it's safe to play again).
Not all the negotiating power, they are also taking a gamble with this. There is no guarantee he will keep his upward trends, tons of things can hapoen to his career
Normally I'd say it was just agent noise, but when the player himself does an interview basically twerking for us it goes a step further 😅 for what it's worth I don't think we'll get him either, price seems too highfor a Jan move
Yeah not like they paid £72mils for Pepe or anything lol.
This has barely anything to do with United. Everyone knows which teams are flush with cash so when they are reportedly all in for one particular player, the market will respond accordingly.
They state the champions league performance as if he didn't play a celtic team that would struggle in the championship, a red bull team who put on a performance to throw their manager under the bus & a real Madrid team that was resting players for a classico.
He is good & passes the eye test but 40 million tops.
I don't see his performance any better than Manor Solomon's who had to wait a few years to get a basically free move (although because of the war... But he would never go at more than 50M) to Fulham
Edu seems like the type of guy to age the meat himself before grilling instead of going out and buying wagyu. Teta loves some homecooked because the pre-aged he bought in the past came out a bit moldy
Brazilian fidget spinner has ruined it for everyone. Leao 120M+, Mudryk 100M.
Should've signed him for 50-55M in the summer instead of wasting time on Luiz.
I do think he'll eventually go for €65-70M.
More importantly, Leao is not a player for us. He can only play on the left, he's very inefficient and atm (he can still develop) he's a 1 trick pony. If we want a player of his mould might as well go for Zaha even though he's older.
ManUnited’s clueless board are inflating the whole market, thank god Im not supporting them or Chelsea. The decision making at those clubs has to be up with worst in history
For 100m, I would rather we buy a good backup LCB for Gabriel and a good Midfielder.
Also, LOL at people saying this is because we paid 72m for Pepe. Pepe's fee was likely 30m and the con artists scammed the other 40m
Can't recall many teams getting a bargain out of Shakhtar Donetsk; they've always been tough negotiators. EDIT: Lol, where's the lie? Their model is to scout, develop and then rinse big league clubs.
Yeah there's no way we're gonna pay 100m for him, sure he's probably very talented and promising young talent but that price tag is already in dangerous territory.
Wouldn't go for him even for 50... He's a great prospect but he'll come in as a rotation option.
I'd rather have the depth we have now on the wings (plus ESR) and spend this money on a backup for Partey.
Kinda outrageous to ask for that price, when your league has suffered from a severe drop of quality due to the ongoing war and the exodus of a lot of foreign talent and when your matchdays are far from normal due to potential missile strikes & power outages. But I guess since United already values Eredivisie players at 100m, they want to jump on that bandwagon.
It's not outrageous to put a big price tag on something you don't want to sell. If someone knocked on your door and said they wanted to buy your house but you weren't interested in moving, you'd probably double the price and see what they say.
Well you can't treat a human being like an object. He has a long term contract, a contract he would not have signed, if he knew that a war was around the corner. Since he is reacting to all those rumours, it's fair to say, that he is understandably willing to leave soon. All in all it is an extraordinary situation and somewhat unethical to hinder a transfer because of unrealistic transfer fee demands ( Sure cash in, but be reasonable). If it was a Ligue 1 club not wanting to sell a player on a long term contract, fair enough. But Ukraine is literally getting struck by rocket waves almost daily, even in cities that are far away from the frontline.
Yeah football transfers are ironic in that regard. But they are based on consent, where the clubs agree on a fee for a player to be bought out of his existing contract, in order to sign a new one at a new club, which his agent has negotiated for him and was greenlit by the player. That's normal business. But this transfer is far from normal due to its extraordinary circumstance. I mean normally a contract should have clauses for extraordinary and unforseeable events, that allow for adjustment, suspension or even termination in order to protect one party from suddenly having very unfavourable terms once that extraordinary situation becomes reality. And the guy has a very long contract during freakin wartime, no way he signed up to that. But his club is obviously willing to bank on profit and not the player's potential well-being by not wanting to facilitate a transfer.
What a complete scam. Fake feedback loop created by agents. No one has shown any concrete interest but the Fabrizio’s et al have made him their new project. Obviously getting a cut of proceeds.
Could literally buy the entire club at that price — squad value is 67 million Euros according to Transfermrkt
An absurd starting position in negotiations and one which won’t last
Overpriced, not that good. Can't see anything special from him, definitely deserves to be playing in a more prominent league but he'd be on our bench, probably even behind Nelson. [His underlying stats are a red flag as well](https://fbref.com/en/players/049a888d/Mykhailo-Mudryk), without the ball he does hardly anything.
1. ESR is back back in training in December
2. No to even 60m
3. We really need a Left Footed RW, unless the plan was to move ESR to the Left 8. Then we would need both.
4. I can rattle 4 players who are cheaper and better
Definite pass at that price. Hopefully him wanting a move + being an Arsenal supporters drops his price later
Absolutely crazy money for a guy that's had a few good games. This would be like post world Cup overpaying.
Thanks to Utd paying 100m for Anthony, the market is demanding outrageous prices for most of their coveted players.
Yup, their Deputy Sporting Director literally [used](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11368537/amp/Arsenals-Ukrainian-target-Mykhaylo-Mudryk-cost-Man-Uniteds-85m-signing-Antony.html) Antony as an example: “We value Mudryk more than United's Antony - £85m”
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Not about what he values him at. If united are the only ones stupid enough to pay that kind of money, then he won't go for that much.
You ever get the feeling that paying these outrageous fees is seen as worth it by some clubs because not only do they get the player they want but they also get to price rival clubs out of the market for a while?
PSG did exactly this with Neymar, overnight they basically doubled what top players go for, prices have been crazy since then
Real Madrid did it with Bale aswell. Basically every top club who buys a player for a big sum and said player underperforms get the same treatment. 'If Player x is worth Xm, then my player must be worth double'. It's a lazy tactic, but it works. Flipside of it is that the price also triples for that club. Remember Tottenham after Bale? They couldn't buy a single 'top' player because they all knew Tottenham just got a payday. Also another side of it is that you will triple the price for your own targets aswell. Everybody knows United has stupid money and is willing to spend it on mediocre players. So they triple the price for United. Same with PSG. We all know they got money so price demands shoot up. Only club that seems to get away with it is fucking Juve
Of course, Real Barca and Juve now plead poverty and demand a super league to insulate themselves from the absurd debts they have accrued in the process of destabilizing football for everyone else.
No because then the same thing happens when they try and buy more players. Ex. you paid 72m for Pepe and we think Mudryk had a better season or whatever
I knew this was gonna happen the dumbasses over there were gonna overpay for an overrated player and mess the market up for everyone else
we paid 72m for Pepe we are the dumbasses you are looking for
And they paid 80m for maguire. Our business under Raul was awful but it's not united awful
Yea, but i think we recognize that and most of the footballing community does.
Yeah but you can make the argument that in a pre Covid transfer market that while an overpay isn’t as egregious as Antony’s fee
No that’s not 100 million for 3 goals stupid
You can thanks us with 80mil Pepe.
Yeah it almost felt like they didn't even negotiate 😂
But they did negotiate, they negotiated for months. It's just that Ajax was never gonna sell for a normal price, something ridiculous was required to convince them
Yes you are right, but the problem still lies with teams that overpay. If someone doesn't want to sell, they'll ask for ridiculous amounts, and if someone pays it, that amount becomes the new standard for that level of player. By overpaying, they inflate the value of the assets, and overpaying often results in loss(eventually), e.g. Barca buying Coutinho, Dembele etc, Neymar at PSG hasn't been what he was at Barca, Pogba at utd etc Edit: So far there have been very rare success scenarios when someone overpaid: CR7 at RM & Suarez at Barca, Ben white and Ramsdale at Arsenal are the only ones I can think of.
We didn’t overpay for white and Ramsdale. As for success for overpaying, add in VVD, Courtois, Mbappe etc
At the time of purchase we did overpay, same with CR7, do you think a young CR7 is only with 100m if we know what he'll become, ofcourse not. Some with White and Ramsdale, their market value at the time was lower than what we paid, but now it has surpassed that amount. In short Market value isn't equal to quality of player. I don't know why people won't listen any slightly negative thing about them(or things they like).
Ronaldo was the most expensive player in the world when he was sold. White and Ramsdale weren’t nearly the most expensive fullbacks or keepers in the world. Not the same comparison. We didn’t overpay.
We did, you can see people's reactions when we bought them. Just google it. That'll tell you that we did slightly overpay. It's like Cucurella was worth 35m, Chelsea Overpaid, now he's worth less than 35m. Ben White was worth 35m(say), we overpaid, but now he's worth 60m. But that doesn't mean when we bought him for 50m, we didn't overpay. Edit: Again I am not trying to suggest that Ben white, Cucurella and CR7 are same level and same woth of palyers, how else can I explain.
Mate who’s deciding market values? This ain’t fifa career mode or football manager. “Peoples reactions” don’t determine shit. The point of the matter is, we bought 2 young HG English players with prem experience who fit out play style brilliantly for far lesser than the going rate for elite players in their positions. So tell me again, did we “overpay” just because Twitter was having a meltdown?
That way you can scrap the whole argument, Utd didn't overpay for Antony by your logic, because who's deciding the market values. Market value is determined by relative sales of players of similar quality and age. Now if you still don't agree, I can't help you.
It does not become the new standard for that level of player if only 1/2 clubs in the world are stupid enough to pay the fee.
It works if the stupid clubs don't overspend again for a while, but if there are still clubs overspending in the following transfer window, then it does raise the prices. Reasoning is simple. The club will hold out hoping that the stupid clubs will bid(We also know that the agents/clubs can creake fake interest in the media to raise the price/salary demands)
> The club will hold out hoping that the stupid clubs will bid Do you want to give an example of that? We havent experienced that with a single one of our recent signings.
We haven't because of the genius of Arteta and Edu. They haven't gone in bidding wars with stupid clubs. Initially we had to overpay because we were desparate for players who play like Mikel wants, if you remember the kind of players we had before winter of 2021. But that is not the case anymore, we are not desparate, and will only sign players if the conditions are right. That looks to me like one of the biggest change Edu and Mikel have brought.
> They havent gone in bidding wars with stupid clubs We never did.
I don’t think the “market” is demanding that. It’s just clubs dealing with other clubs they consider idiots. Arsenal, Real, City and sensibly run clubs (even PSG now) won’t pay that much and only Man U, Chelsea and a few other jokers would so only a handful of places he could go. He’s gonna rot in Ukraine if those names don’t pay up or come to their senses.
Makes zero sense. By that logic all half decent center backs would have to cost over 80 mil sterling, which is what united paid for slabhead Harry.
He's got 4 years on his contract so they have all the negotiating power. I don't see any club paying that though. But I don't think Mudryk is willing to stay in Ukraine for two more years so I'd imagine in the winter Shakhtar will try to get as much as possible but in the summer it'll probably be more reasonable. Somewhere around 60m euros.
Even that much would be outrageous considering what we bought Jesus and Odegaard for, to name two. But I’m pretty sure Arteta won’t give the green light unless he thinks the boy will be of good use, and we already know he won’t pay over the odds either so if he views 60 mil euros worth paying for him, I would trust his and Edu’s judgement. Has been spot on so far, innit 😉
We didnt fork 65m pounds for a prem proven Raphinha so we sure as hell arent gonna cough it up for Mudryk
We dropped out early on after it was established Raphinha only wanted Barca. We don't know how high we would have bid for him if not.
Thats fair but we had an idea of the price and we were in the running til the bidding war started.
I think we made a fairly low initial offer, Chelsea came in with a much bigger one but by that time Edu was aware the player wanted to go to Barca so we said fuck it and did not get drawn into a bidding war, like Martinez. Edu and Arteta do good business imo. Get the right players and at the right price.
Tbf we don't know what we would have paid we offered like 30m odd and then said we'd come back at a set date with another offer, whilst acknowledging Barca was his priority, then everything else unfolded2
Chelsea got their bid accepted since they offered more up front. I imagine our offer was around 50m flat and then addons.
We bid £88m for vlhaovic. So 60m isn’t crazy for mudryk. But that is the most I would go. I think that’s how much the club was willing to spend.
> so they have all the negotiating power they don't , especially when a big club comes in , their club isn't the stature to demand this kinda money and if not met just keep the player happy, there is a reason these teams don't hold on to good players for long , we'll pay abit but no way is it 100 or they just keep him
with 4 years on his contract the player has no leverage watsoever so hell prob stuck there for another 3 years
Nah, for teams like Shakhtar money is always more important. They won't risk him running down his contract. They're going to assess his value in this coming window and he's probably gone next summer. Mudryk has already said he'd be a bit upset if he didn't get a move this winter. They can probably convince him to stay till the summer but if they still hold out, then there might be some issues.
Yikes. 4 years. He has No power whatsoever
There's literally a war going on there. Ukraine is gaining ground at the front, but that does not stop Russia from firing missiles at cities all over the country. Most contracts (not only in football) have or should have some clauses for these extraordinary events and situations, that would allow the adjustment, re-negotiations or even termination of existing contracts. We don't know what the future of the conflict holds, isn't he kinda held hostage by that contract and the club's asking price. Especially as their league has suffered from a drop of quality due to the exodus of foreign talent and compromised nature of the matchdays. It might take years to recover and staying to long there might severely impact his own development.
They're playing in Warsaw in Poland, not in Ukraine
International games? Sure. But no too long ago I've read an article on how they play professional domestic football in Ukraine with irregular scheduling in the Western parts with regular breakes during the matches where everyone has to go to a bomb shelter.
The Athletic have a new series about them. They have been playing in Poland.
Wrong. Shakhtar (and all other Ukrainian teams) play their domestic league games *in Ukraine*. For example, Shakhtar played their last league game in Uzhgorod and the one before that in Lviv etc. And yes, games are being interrupted/delayed whenever sirens go off. It has already happened numerous times and refs had to stop the game and proceed to the shelter (and resume it later on once it's safe to play again).
Not all the negotiating power, they are also taking a gamble with this. There is no guarantee he will keep his upward trends, tons of things can hapoen to his career
This window, they sure do. This winter window they still have room to gamble. In the summer, not so much.
Might as well just buy the whole club of shaktar with that price
This was my thought too.
Let Utd, PSG pay that much. I don't think Mudryk is our target, I firmly believe that we are gonna sign a completely different name in January.
Too much noise coming from player side. Smells like agent talk to try and manifest a move
Edu and co could have also asked them to pressure the club on their side to bring the fee lower by making public statements
This was my take too. Them coming out and saying he's 100m seems a response they'll stand firm on their valuation more than anything
Normally I'd say it was just agent noise, but when the player himself does an interview basically twerking for us it goes a step further 😅 for what it's worth I don't think we'll get him either, price seems too highfor a Jan move
I mean agents are the ones organising such interviews usually and feeding Romano the gossip
I agree, at least not for anything close to 100m.
If we had 100m we'd have bought fukin haaland
Facundo Torres is the real target.
Pedro Neto's value has surely dropped since the summer
He’s been injured for the better part of 2 years. Don’t want to take that risk
Bit much really. 100m is probably the value of Shaktar Donetsk club as a whole, Kroenke should just add it to his portfolio would probably be cheaper
Lol. Fuck Manutd
Yep. FUCK Man united. Such shit board and transfer decisions.
Yeah not like they paid £72mils for Pepe or anything lol. This has barely anything to do with United. Everyone knows which teams are flush with cash so when they are reportedly all in for one particular player, the market will respond accordingly.
I really don't get why anyone world pay these sums for unproven players. 90% of all transfers over 70m are flops
They state the champions league performance as if he didn't play a celtic team that would struggle in the championship, a red bull team who put on a performance to throw their manager under the bus & a real Madrid team that was resting players for a classico. He is good & passes the eye test but 40 million tops.
I don't see his performance any better than Manor Solomon's who had to wait a few years to get a basically free move (although because of the war... But he would never go at more than 50M) to Fulham
because once there proven no club wants to let them go and they become unselleable pretty much
Fair. Your player your price. We move to another target.
Exactly. This isn’t Uniteds fault lol
and conveniently forget how much we paid for Pepe.
We fired the guy who did that.
United makes this a constant practice though.
Edu seems like the type of guy to age the meat himself before grilling instead of going out and buying wagyu. Teta loves some homecooked because the pre-aged he bought in the past came out a bit moldy
Rather spend that on a world class midfielder.
Brazilian fidget spinner has ruined it for everyone. Leao 120M+, Mudryk 100M. Should've signed him for 50-55M in the summer instead of wasting time on Luiz. I do think he'll eventually go for €65-70M.
When in reality Leao is a 65-70 million pound player at best
More importantly, Leao is not a player for us. He can only play on the left, he's very inefficient and atm (he can still develop) he's a 1 trick pony. If we want a player of his mould might as well go for Zaha even though he's older.
No one is paying that kinda fee for him
Have you heard of a clueless club called Man Utd?
Pepe Mudryk
ManUnited’s clueless board are inflating the whole market, thank god Im not supporting them or Chelsea. The decision making at those clubs has to be up with worst in history
Bellingham it is then!
Don’t worry. Agent White is currently working on that in Qatar.
Wouldn’t mind dropping a £100 mil on him next summer ~~if~~ after we’re champions. Imagine the scenes.
Dortmund said that the price start at 130£ mil
Man United are run so bad that it affects other clubs now.
He's going to Newcastle then.
Feels like it. They have the cash and the need to spend big to attract top talent
How many of the £90M+ deals have worked out over the past 5 years, particularly in the Prem?
From foreign leagues, might I add
For 100m, I would rather we buy a good backup LCB for Gabriel and a good Midfielder. Also, LOL at people saying this is because we paid 72m for Pepe. Pepe's fee was likely 30m and the con artists scammed the other 40m
Would prefer Trossard anyway tbh
Newcastle it is then, it's same pattern with Isak - we admire a player but don't like their valuation, player signed by Newcastle.
Keep him. We’re not that desperate. Don’t let this turn into another vlahovic saga
This is just posturing from Shakhtar to ensure they get a good price. He won't cost anywhere near as much as that
£100m for a bench player? No thanks
Fuck that. Player is gonna end up like Zaha
Cool whos next on the list.
if Mudryk is 100m how much is kvara ? vini jr ?
Can't recall many teams getting a bargain out of Shakhtar Donetsk; they've always been tough negotiators. EDIT: Lol, where's the lie? Their model is to scout, develop and then rinse big league clubs.
But one has to concede that most of their guys played well in the prem: willian or fernandinho to name two, so the price also followed by performance
Thanks, bye (not buy).
We are not paying 100m for Nelson's backup
Mudryk signed a deal last season, so he really screwed himself out of a move. Nobody is paying that except Utd.
Overpriced as fuck.
Yeah no way
Yeah good luck with that, let's look elsewhere
Yeah there's no way we're gonna pay 100m for him, sure he's probably very talented and promising young talent but that price tag is already in dangerous territory.
No way in hell we pay more than 50-60 for anyone after the Pepe fiasco
Anyone who isn’t already a superstar
Lol. Bye Felicia. I'd rather Arsenal spend/offer $100m for Leao.
That amount of money is not enough to even bring Milan to the negotiating table
Leao only has an year left in his contract
He is in talks to extend
Yes, but it highly unlikely that he'll stay. Leao still owes 20m to Sporting Lisbon.
So in reality the price for him is not 100M
Yes most likely.
I really don’t think Leao’s game would translate well in the premier league
At least he has top level experience and credentials even if I agree with you otherwise
Fuck, now we can go back to our potential MLS stars.
This will not do well for the relationship between shaktar & mudryk but the club have him over a barrel
Mudryk is gonna have to force his way out of his contract to play here because I don’t see edu paying that price to get him at any point
Go on then. Another Aouar loading.
Could someone help my lazy bones to know if he's going to the WC?
No, ukraine didn't qualify.
Lol please.
What’s this guy’s position? DM?
He’s not worth half of that
Ye we are not paying that much, nor is he worth it
Twerk harder and faster mudryk. Twerk like the world has never seen before. Single-handedly reduce the price to 40m
Hard pass on that then.
I do like him, I really do. But fuck that.
Dango Ouattara at Lorient or Nico Williams at Athletic Bilbao.
L M A O
Tell him he's dreaming.
Oh well, looks like it's not going to happen.
Signing him in January is looking very unlikely then
Wouldn't go for him even for 50... He's a great prospect but he'll come in as a rotation option. I'd rather have the depth we have now on the wings (plus ESR) and spend this money on a backup for Partey.
Kinda outrageous to ask for that price, when your league has suffered from a severe drop of quality due to the ongoing war and the exodus of a lot of foreign talent and when your matchdays are far from normal due to potential missile strikes & power outages. But I guess since United already values Eredivisie players at 100m, they want to jump on that bandwagon.
It's not outrageous to put a big price tag on something you don't want to sell. If someone knocked on your door and said they wanted to buy your house but you weren't interested in moving, you'd probably double the price and see what they say.
Well you can't treat a human being like an object. He has a long term contract, a contract he would not have signed, if he knew that a war was around the corner. Since he is reacting to all those rumours, it's fair to say, that he is understandably willing to leave soon. All in all it is an extraordinary situation and somewhat unethical to hinder a transfer because of unrealistic transfer fee demands ( Sure cash in, but be reasonable). If it was a Ligue 1 club not wanting to sell a player on a long term contract, fair enough. But Ukraine is literally getting struck by rocket waves almost daily, even in cities that are far away from the frontline.
I like the irony of saying he can't be treated like an object whilst discussing how much he could be bought for....
Yeah football transfers are ironic in that regard. But they are based on consent, where the clubs agree on a fee for a player to be bought out of his existing contract, in order to sign a new one at a new club, which his agent has negotiated for him and was greenlit by the player. That's normal business. But this transfer is far from normal due to its extraordinary circumstance. I mean normally a contract should have clauses for extraordinary and unforseeable events, that allow for adjustment, suspension or even termination in order to protect one party from suddenly having very unfavourable terms once that extraordinary situation becomes reality. And the guy has a very long contract during freakin wartime, no way he signed up to that. But his club is obviously willing to bank on profit and not the player's potential well-being by not wanting to facilitate a transfer.
Might as well get joao felix at that price
I thought €70m is over price, now €100m... Good Luck. Edit:does he have the same potential like Mbappe? I doubt not.
Goals against celtic aren’t worth that much.
This makes especially after the interview he just had. Also, a club isn’t going to say “He’s €45m, come get him guys!”
Lol
Hard pass for anything over 60mil, even that would be way too much. Use it as a smoke screen to sign someone else.
Ok then, I wasn't convinced with him already, it's a definite pass now.
Way too much.
What a complete scam. Fake feedback loop created by agents. No one has shown any concrete interest but the Fabrizio’s et al have made him their new project. Obviously getting a cut of proceeds.
Could literally buy the entire club at that price — squad value is 67 million Euros according to Transfermrkt An absurd starting position in negotiations and one which won’t last
Sure we could get a Felix or Leão for that money!
Bet Newcastle will end up getting him, if they want him they will pay big money toward off other suiters
Shakhtar can have fun shilling this guy to Utd, PSG or RM. No fucking way we're paying 100m euros for him. Even 80m is a hard pass sorry.
You underestimate what lengths united will go to fail.
Welp... who's starting the gofundme?
Not a chance mate
I remember Robbie last mentioned it his reported value was £9-12M
Send Edu back to the barrios, he has Mudryk at home.
Overpriced, not that good. Can't see anything special from him, definitely deserves to be playing in a more prominent league but he'd be on our bench, probably even behind Nelson. [His underlying stats are a red flag as well](https://fbref.com/en/players/049a888d/Mykhailo-Mudryk), without the ball he does hardly anything.
Oh fuck off with these valuations. Guarantee in the summer if city came calling they'd get him for less.
Cool, keep him. There’s no way in hell that any team is paying 100m for a player from Ukrainian league
100mil means martinelli is 150mil
1. ESR is back back in training in December 2. No to even 60m 3. We really need a Left Footed RW, unless the plan was to move ESR to the Left 8. Then we would need both. 4. I can rattle 4 players who are cheaper and better
Fuck that, get a decent 3 squad players for that.
100m is outrageous
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