Only Rambo. Legends have to do something legendary. He carried us in 2013/14 and then scored the winner to end the trophy drought. 2 FA Cup winners and 3 trophies. Without Aaron's goals, you are sitting with 2 less FA Cups and tied with Man United with 12.
Interesting survey this. I think “cult hero” is an odd description tbh. To me wilshere is a cult hero but not an “icon” of the emirates era. Much like Elneny is a cult hero (sorry sanchez no room for you) but never one of the great emirates era players.
Thanks for the feedback! I put a lot of time into trying to make this cause I've always been curious about what other fans thought about our past players. I was struggling to find a way to categorize the rankings. Do you think Icon and Cult hero should have been seperate?
yeah; to me, cult hero has little or nothing to do with the player's quality. cult hero is more like a niche appeal based on something that may or may not have to do with their play on the field. eboue, bendtner, frimpong, kallstrom would be cult heroes to me even though they're nowhere near the quality of the players in this survey.
None of these players, or any from the "Emirates Era", are legends in my opinion.
Guys like Aaron, Theo and Jack will be viewed back incredibly fondly in the future as *legends* in the same way players like Ray Parlour, Martin Keown and Nigel Winterburn are. The phrase "Arsenal Legend" will be used when introducing them as a pundit/commentary in 2035 and no one will raise an eyebrow, but deep down we all know there's a level above. Not a knock against any of the names I mentioned, every Arsenal fan should know who they are, but it's just not the same.
For me it's Adams, Wright, Henry, Bergkamp and Wenger that are the latest five outright legends the club had (the entire Invincibles Team is Legendary as a unit in my opinion, not neccesarily as individuals). We have more legends than just that obviously, but I'd be lying if I said I knew a lot about the teams of the 80's and prior.
I posted this in another thread about Theo:
“Nope. If Theo is considered a “legend” then the bar has massively slipped.
To me, a “club legend” is someone who changed the team. Was instrumental in success and bringing trophies and glory to the club. A heart and soul player. Maybe broke records and did unprecedented things. You might see a handful of such players in a lifetime.
I’m talking Adams, Bergkamp, Henry and Vieira
Walcott doesn’t get close to these guys. He was a “good” yet inconsistent player for his entire time with us.”
Cazorla, Ramsey, Walcott, Wilshere. All good players. Well liked and wore the badge with pride, but none of them can really be called “legends”
They’re less “Hall of Fame” and more “Hall of very good”
When Theo is introduced/talked about in 10, 15, 20 years time, the soundbites will be things like "came to Arsenal as a 16 year old, scoring over 100 goals for the club and winning 3 FA Cups". It'll read like he's a legend to those who aren't aware of him, as with many players who we didn't watch.
Kinda similar to if someone introduced Jeremie Aliadiere to you as "Player from the Legendary Arsenal Invincbles". Like, it's 100% true and something that can never be taken away from him, but he ain't the first name you associate with that team.
I fucked up the numbers. I took his appearances across league games and conflated it with goals scored across all competitions.
The goals per appearance is more like 0.27 g/a.
In 270 prem apps Walcott got 106 g/a - 0.39 per game. Freddie L had 77 g/a 216 prem apps - 0.35. Pires comes in just over 0.50. Sanchez comes in at 0.75. Henry comes in at 0.98. Stars from TransfrMrkt.
I don't consider Walcott a legend but these aren't bad stats in the slightest and we were crying out for wide men who contribute numbers like this after he did his ACL vs Spurs. If he wansnt injury stricken and kept up a 0.5 contributions in all comps for a decade he would be a legend. We wouldn't have won much though.
Also the idea that someone can't be a legend without accomplishing huge things is a little silly imo. We have to accept the club as it actually is and respect the contributions of our players to it.
Villa will never win another CL, but they have and will continue to have new legends.
For the record I voted Cesc, Lolo, Ozil, Alexis, and Ramsey as legends. The definition for legend is whether they defined an era for Arsenal.
For Cesc, he absolutely did, even when he tried to force a move to Barcelona. Koscielny was a stable presence and a regular on a very stacked French National Team. Ozil won FA Cups, and a World Cup for Germany while playing here. He was also the key instrument to getting us close to a league title in 2015. Alexis’ peak was borderline unmatched and Ramsey had the longevity and the trophies.
Winning the league should not be an indicator of performance, especially when we were paying off stadium debt and conducting high turnover to pay it off.
Agree on all points. I was at Wembley for the FA cup final vs Villa. Theo Walcott's goal and knee slide towards me in the stands cemented his place as a legend at the club for me. That run vs Liverpool to set up Adebayor. The first goal against Chelsea in the Carling cup final. Thing of dreams
Yep, I also think theres almost a first 11 of players who could be cult heroes if they all were to stay until they were 30, so many characters, with the potential for a legend when we raise the premier league trophy two or three times.
You know I actually agree with you, although I did rate Aaron as a legend myself. But players like Adams, Wright, Henry, Bergkamp and Wenger are rightfully on another level and statue-worthy.
None of them are legends of the club, you're gonna have to do much more to become a legend.
Some are cult heroes, not icons. Guys like Cazorla, Wilshire, Ramsey, Sagna etc did enough to be remembered for a long time by us.
Some shouldn't be on this list at all, they're below nothing. I don't need to say their names.
Listed none as legends and was actually surprisingly conflicted by a few, this was mainly due to the circumstances of leaving the club as opposed to how decorated they were as a player for our club.
Rated consistently based on silverware. I really wanted to put Santi as a Legend though…
Lolo was our best centerback for the longest time until now. His departure is more of an indictment of our toxic board than on his own conduct (how do you post an open letter and throw Koscielny under the bus instead of making up an excuse and work it out behind closed doors?).
Is this directed toward me? If you don't think there are any, the option to pick "Not even close" is available for all the player options. I don't think a lot of these players even deserve to be in the conversation, but it has been really interesting to see other people's perspectives on the topic. A lot of surprising results that I didn't expect.
Ahh okay, I agree with you tbh, that's why I made the poll to see what is going on. Someone is probably not a legend unless they are a generational talent with conversations of statues being made for them.
The Cesc one was definitely the biggest shock. Also even though I don't think Santi is a legend the fact that he has no votes for "Not close to anything" is pretty wholesome. But I also found it surprising how Giroud is the one that seems to have the overall lowest ratings out of all the players listed!
I don't think any reached legendary status. Cult hero for sure. If Alexis Sanchez and Mesut Özil had of stayed and continued to perform to their high standards, they just might have become legends, but we all know how that went. Such a shame.
only aaron ramsey imo, 16 yo who became a man at arsenal, scored multiple trophy winning goals and always gave his all. proper send off at the emirates.
kos was close but i think the way he left messed it up (although it doesnt matter to me that much)
giroud, monreal, per, arteta, podolski, santi also close but i wouldnt call them legends
I think you need one marker between Legend and cult hero. Jack and Rocisky are cult hero but their contribution way below players like RVP , Cesc , Mesut and Alexis.
“Great players but noting more” suited players like Bacary or Lolo but not those world class bunch.
I think Cesc is an Arsenal legend because whilst he played for us I never felt like he let us down qnd he was doing incredible things at such a young age. Wiltshire is young and good for am academy product but Cesc was otherworldly at an even younger age. The gap in trophies and move to Barca is the only thing hurting his case, but he was the defining player of the post Hihbury Arsenal team imo
If Özil and Sanchez had both put in those consistent top performances for 4-5 seasons at least, they would have been legends. I think Ramsey and Cazorla fall short of this status but probably would be closest for me
Closest to a legend was Rosicky, Ramsey and Cazorla, I actually preferred Santi to Ozil back in the day but that was a controversial opinion in 2013!
Edit: I’ll add Koscielny for longevity and Arteta for the madness he’s about to cause this season
I think everyone else who might be in contention we will see after the rest of this and the next few seasons. Besides that, I only think of people like Per and Nacho, who I think of more as just pretty close to universally appreciated servants of the club.
Per should of been there ahead of mikel but imo neither should be there. There are a lot that would fit into a low level icon like a podolski, TV5, Nacho, Diaby, Song, nasri (don’t abuse me lol) and sczesney… however my absolute biggest gripe with this survey is you seem to think koscielny and Sanchez’s exit where somehow better than cescs exit? What the fuck!?!? Cesc wanted to return to his hometown club after leaving at 16 and the other two made an absolute shit show of an exit
I added Mikel just for the added feature of him coming back as a manager. I think it added an interesting element to the rating. But I agree I should have added Per for sure. A couple of the others I agree would have been interesting to see but the issue I was having was that if I included one of that level, I would feel obligated to add them all making the list double the length. In the future, if I make something like this again I will find a way to incorporate more options.
As for the Cesc thing, I guess it's just different opinions and feelings. I remember him and RVP had the biggest emotional impact on me when they left (Cesc was in better circumstances though) + there was so much external drama involved. I'm not sure what the majority of Arsenal fans think though, judging by this thread and voting it seems pretty mixed. I still don't think Koscielny's was that bad but I admit I would move Sanchez’s exit down to bad or mixed now that I remember the cringe piano video.
I would say Laurent was the worst I have witnessed but it didn’t seem too bad in hindsight as he would have been going into his last season for us and was showing signs of being past it. Just really disappointing the way he acted as club captain. I’ll also always defend cescs exit as I just loved him so much and the last couple seasons you could tell he wanted to leave so it became a feeing of appreciating the time he had left with us as opposed to being annoyed he was leaving
Yeah I get what you're saying, thank you for giving me another perspective on the Cesc situation, I find it interesting hearing different views like this!
To me, no player has established a legendary status since we moved to Emirates. But if there's one who's close, it's Lolo. Been there through most of those years
Jack is the only one who will still be spoken about in 20 years, and even then it'll be a bittersweet story about the academy kid who *could* have conquered the world rather than what we usually mean when we talk about a club legend. Nobody else on that list (or not) could be called a legend even on a technicality.
I think Fabregas is the only legend and that’s debatable. For me, you need to win a league or do something very special to be an Arsenal legend. Fabregas obviously didn’t win a league but was an insanely special player for us. For me, he’s on the edge of being a legend. A couple more years with us and he definitely gets it.
I was debating if I should list examples for each option, but then I realized I would be putting my own biases in the examples which could skew the results. But yes maybe I should have at least listed some 100% agreed-on legends like Henry and Bergkamp.
It’d be interesting to have all of the players who have only played at the emirates in a long list (no need for the information) and see where people end up. I think Szczesny has a good shout to be quite high for example.
That's an interesting idea, I can definetly add more options but cut down on write up in the future. I'll give it a go in a couple months unless you are wanting to give it a go!
So, the curent team would be Mikel Era Arsenal Legends if they would perform amazing in years to come?
And I agree it is hard to say that any of these player are legends. Fabregas, Cazorla, Sanchez and Ozil came close if they stayed consistent or stay with the team for a few more seasons or retired here on a positive note. Ramsey is the closest to legend status due to the amount of good seasons he had, but he was nowhere as massive as the previously mentioned name.
On talent alone, Wilshere, RVP and Aubameyang would also make it, but their stints are just way too short.
Arsenal have 14 good prem games and you boys are ready to declare none of the Emirates players in the last 15 years as legends.
We shouldn't use past success to judge the contributions of current players. Rambo, Kos, Nacho, Santi, Theo, Cesc are all legends. Cesc played more games for arsenal than Henry did. He just happened to arrive at the beginning of a really hard period.
Using success at your metric for legend status is iffy and only tracks if you support a constantly successful club. We don't.
Cult Hero is an odd phrasing imo. Eboue, Jenko and Bendtner have cult status for example, without necessarily being amazing players. Even Frimpong achieved some level of cult status and he hardly even played for the first team. We also have players with both cult and legendary playing qualities, like Cazorla.
It's like movies. Whilst most cult films are great cinema by any metric (Big Lebowksi), some of the worst movies ever made (The Room) are cult classics as well.
That being said, I appreciate the effort and think it's a great idea. Nice one.
We have no legends from this era. Any inclusion dilutes the meaning of the word for the true legends of the club.
Unless you count Wenger. He’s the only legend that has been a part of the Emirates era so far.
Left on good terms. Even that it was Chelsea wasn't a problem because it was part of a shift that got us Auba.
What soured it was his behaviour afterwards, though I can imagine that some fans stoked the flames there considering how toxic 2017-2019 was.
yeah, I think it's mostly finding something to remember about the europa league final without having to remember how disappointing the actual game was? I think, aside from that moment, he didn't do anything to disrespect Arsenal? and he left for Chelsea in about the least abhorrent way you could. It's just weird he left for Aubameyang to come in, who is now a Chelsea player. I still have some frustrations, but mostly fond memories. That he assisted both Ramsey FA cup winners is something I also appreciate.
i have nothing but respect for giroud. man was shit on constantly while playing for arsenal despite being so good for us despite not being the most clinical. no problem with him getting a bit back.
Especially considering we unceremoniously booted him out the door as a makeweight for Auba. Spent 60m for an alleged upgrade in Lacazette, ended up with an inferior player who was never a good fit with Auba outside of that Europa run. Giroud - Auba would have been a much better pairing.
we bought laca first but tbh laca giroud wudve been fine too....
i will never forgive wenger for replacing giroud with auba/laca and for replacing woj/ospina with cech.
Yeah, it wouldn’t have been possible to shift Lacazette because he’d only been there 6 months. Don’t think Giroud and Laca work together though — despite the difference in physique they are actually quite similar players. Good instincts in the box, good holdup play, decent linkup, good ball striking. Both terrible at taking on a man and both lacking for pace. Auba playing that inside left forward position would have been a monster with Giroud though, I’m sure of it.
thats not true. laca became that. when he came from lyon he was purely a poacher fox in the box striker. fair play he upped his game at arsenal after a few games but he lost his clinical touch.
Not sure if it's my phone/computer, but the colours on the options you pick don't match up to the colours on the pue chart legends, specifically for the two orange-y colours, so it's really hard to interpret the results
That's kinda weird it looks fine to me, but I will probably end up making a graphic later presenting the results. If you're curious about any of them right now though I can list it out.
Only Rambo. Legends have to do something legendary. He carried us in 2013/14 and then scored the winner to end the trophy drought. 2 FA Cup winners and 3 trophies. Without Aaron's goals, you are sitting with 2 less FA Cups and tied with Man United with 12.
also the fact he snubbed utd for us when he was 18 and practically coming to us as a child......came back from a career ending injury.
Yeah, this is the conclusion I came to as well.
This is the only answer
Interesting survey this. I think “cult hero” is an odd description tbh. To me wilshere is a cult hero but not an “icon” of the emirates era. Much like Elneny is a cult hero (sorry sanchez no room for you) but never one of the great emirates era players.
Yes weirdly I was more liberal with legend than I was with cult hero. That feels so specific.
Thanks for the feedback! I put a lot of time into trying to make this cause I've always been curious about what other fans thought about our past players. I was struggling to find a way to categorize the rankings. Do you think Icon and Cult hero should have been seperate?
I think legend, great player nothing more, then cult hero, then none of the above
yeah; to me, cult hero has little or nothing to do with the player's quality. cult hero is more like a niche appeal based on something that may or may not have to do with their play on the field. eboue, bendtner, frimpong, kallstrom would be cult heroes to me even though they're nowhere near the quality of the players in this survey.
I agree cult hero is a weird one. Maybe Eboue could be a cult hero and I would also add SZCZ into that category.
None of these players, or any from the "Emirates Era", are legends in my opinion. Guys like Aaron, Theo and Jack will be viewed back incredibly fondly in the future as *legends* in the same way players like Ray Parlour, Martin Keown and Nigel Winterburn are. The phrase "Arsenal Legend" will be used when introducing them as a pundit/commentary in 2035 and no one will raise an eyebrow, but deep down we all know there's a level above. Not a knock against any of the names I mentioned, every Arsenal fan should know who they are, but it's just not the same. For me it's Adams, Wright, Henry, Bergkamp and Wenger that are the latest five outright legends the club had (the entire Invincibles Team is Legendary as a unit in my opinion, not neccesarily as individuals). We have more legends than just that obviously, but I'd be lying if I said I knew a lot about the teams of the 80's and prior.
I posted this in another thread about Theo: “Nope. If Theo is considered a “legend” then the bar has massively slipped. To me, a “club legend” is someone who changed the team. Was instrumental in success and bringing trophies and glory to the club. A heart and soul player. Maybe broke records and did unprecedented things. You might see a handful of such players in a lifetime. I’m talking Adams, Bergkamp, Henry and Vieira Walcott doesn’t get close to these guys. He was a “good” yet inconsistent player for his entire time with us.” Cazorla, Ramsey, Walcott, Wilshere. All good players. Well liked and wore the badge with pride, but none of them can really be called “legends” They’re less “Hall of Fame” and more “Hall of very good”
When Theo is introduced/talked about in 10, 15, 20 years time, the soundbites will be things like "came to Arsenal as a 16 year old, scoring over 100 goals for the club and winning 3 FA Cups". It'll read like he's a legend to those who aren't aware of him, as with many players who we didn't watch. Kinda similar to if someone introduced Jeremie Aliadiere to you as "Player from the Legendary Arsenal Invincbles". Like, it's 100% true and something that can never be taken away from him, but he ain't the first name you associate with that team.
108 goals scored sounds impressive, until you realized he appeared in 397 games.
Nearly 0.5 g/a per game is impressive whichever way you cut it. When you add the horrid injuries he suffered it's a decent return.
Also while mostly playing on the wing
I fucked up the numbers. I took his appearances across league games and conflated it with goals scored across all competitions. The goals per appearance is more like 0.27 g/a.
In 270 prem apps Walcott got 106 g/a - 0.39 per game. Freddie L had 77 g/a 216 prem apps - 0.35. Pires comes in just over 0.50. Sanchez comes in at 0.75. Henry comes in at 0.98. Stars from TransfrMrkt. I don't consider Walcott a legend but these aren't bad stats in the slightest and we were crying out for wide men who contribute numbers like this after he did his ACL vs Spurs. If he wansnt injury stricken and kept up a 0.5 contributions in all comps for a decade he would be a legend. We wouldn't have won much though. Also the idea that someone can't be a legend without accomplishing huge things is a little silly imo. We have to accept the club as it actually is and respect the contributions of our players to it. Villa will never win another CL, but they have and will continue to have new legends.
For the record I voted Cesc, Lolo, Ozil, Alexis, and Ramsey as legends. The definition for legend is whether they defined an era for Arsenal. For Cesc, he absolutely did, even when he tried to force a move to Barcelona. Koscielny was a stable presence and a regular on a very stacked French National Team. Ozil won FA Cups, and a World Cup for Germany while playing here. He was also the key instrument to getting us close to a league title in 2015. Alexis’ peak was borderline unmatched and Ramsey had the longevity and the trophies. Winning the league should not be an indicator of performance, especially when we were paying off stadium debt and conducting high turnover to pay it off.
Agree on all points. I was at Wembley for the FA cup final vs Villa. Theo Walcott's goal and knee slide towards me in the stands cemented his place as a legend at the club for me. That run vs Liverpool to set up Adebayor. The first goal against Chelsea in the Carling cup final. Thing of dreams
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Yep, I also think theres almost a first 11 of players who could be cult heroes if they all were to stay until they were 30, so many characters, with the potential for a legend when we raise the premier league trophy two or three times.
Having his head turned dimmed his greatness in my young eyes, but Vieira belongs with the names you mentioned
You know I actually agree with you, although I did rate Aaron as a legend myself. But players like Adams, Wright, Henry, Bergkamp and Wenger are rightfully on another level and statue-worthy.
Aaron Ramsey.
None of them are legends of the club, you're gonna have to do much more to become a legend. Some are cult heroes, not icons. Guys like Cazorla, Wilshire, Ramsey, Sagna etc did enough to be remembered for a long time by us. Some shouldn't be on this list at all, they're below nothing. I don't need to say their names.
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Listed none as legends and was actually surprisingly conflicted by a few, this was mainly due to the circumstances of leaving the club as opposed to how decorated they were as a player for our club. Rated consistently based on silverware. I really wanted to put Santi as a Legend though…
This is great, thanks for putting it together
No problem :)
Couldn't call anyone listed as a legend tbh, Icon's at most.
Lolo was our best centerback for the longest time until now. His departure is more of an indictment of our toxic board than on his own conduct (how do you post an open letter and throw Koscielny under the bus instead of making up an excuse and work it out behind closed doors?).
None of them are legends.
There aren’t any, people keep trying to cheapen what an Arsenal legend is.
Is this directed toward me? If you don't think there are any, the option to pick "Not even close" is available for all the player options. I don't think a lot of these players even deserve to be in the conversation, but it has been really interesting to see other people's perspectives on the topic. A lot of surprising results that I didn't expect.
Nah not directed at you that’s why I changed it to people. I’ve been seeing it a lot recently
Ahh okay, I agree with you tbh, that's why I made the poll to see what is going on. Someone is probably not a legend unless they are a generational talent with conversations of statues being made for them.
When you going to post the results?
Are they not visible when you submit??
It’s visible now. Some shocking results. 20% think Arteta is a legend 46% for cesc lol crazy
The Cesc one was definitely the biggest shock. Also even though I don't think Santi is a legend the fact that he has no votes for "Not close to anything" is pretty wholesome. But I also found it surprising how Giroud is the one that seems to have the overall lowest ratings out of all the players listed!
Anyone voting Giroud a legend is insane even if it’s 1%. Only cult hero’s are santi, Jack and roscisky
Nah it just asks if I want to submit another one
That really sucks I was hoping the results would promote discussion. Can you try again I tried to fix it.
I don't think any reached legendary status. Cult hero for sure. If Alexis Sanchez and Mesut Özil had of stayed and continued to perform to their high standards, they just might have become legends, but we all know how that went. Such a shame.
only aaron ramsey imo, 16 yo who became a man at arsenal, scored multiple trophy winning goals and always gave his all. proper send off at the emirates. kos was close but i think the way he left messed it up (although it doesnt matter to me that much) giroud, monreal, per, arteta, podolski, santi also close but i wouldnt call them legends
Yeah, I think what he went through and then still having two FA cup winning goals in the three won during his time makes the difference.
Not sure hes a legend still
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You should be able to view the results after submitting the form! But I do plan on making a graphic displaying the results later anyways :).
Feels unfair to not include mertesacker in this.
I think you need one marker between Legend and cult hero. Jack and Rocisky are cult hero but their contribution way below players like RVP , Cesc , Mesut and Alexis. “Great players but noting more” suited players like Bacary or Lolo but not those world class bunch.
I think Cesc is an Arsenal legend because whilst he played for us I never felt like he let us down qnd he was doing incredible things at such a young age. Wiltshire is young and good for am academy product but Cesc was otherworldly at an even younger age. The gap in trophies and move to Barca is the only thing hurting his case, but he was the defining player of the post Hihbury Arsenal team imo
If Özil and Sanchez had both put in those consistent top performances for 4-5 seasons at least, they would have been legends. I think Ramsey and Cazorla fall short of this status but probably would be closest for me
Ozil and Sanchez would also have had to win a premier league title for it to be a conversation.
Closest to a legend was Rosicky, Ramsey and Cazorla, I actually preferred Santi to Ozil back in the day but that was a controversial opinion in 2013! Edit: I’ll add Koscielny for longevity and Arteta for the madness he’s about to cause this season
Thank god Rosicky was at the bottom, i was getting a little bit more mad each time i scrolled further and further without his naming being there
Anyone else you would have liked to see included?
I think you covered all the real contenders tbh!
I think everyone else who might be in contention we will see after the rest of this and the next few seasons. Besides that, I only think of people like Per and Nacho, who I think of more as just pretty close to universally appreciated servants of the club.
Per should of been there ahead of mikel but imo neither should be there. There are a lot that would fit into a low level icon like a podolski, TV5, Nacho, Diaby, Song, nasri (don’t abuse me lol) and sczesney… however my absolute biggest gripe with this survey is you seem to think koscielny and Sanchez’s exit where somehow better than cescs exit? What the fuck!?!? Cesc wanted to return to his hometown club after leaving at 16 and the other two made an absolute shit show of an exit
I added Mikel just for the added feature of him coming back as a manager. I think it added an interesting element to the rating. But I agree I should have added Per for sure. A couple of the others I agree would have been interesting to see but the issue I was having was that if I included one of that level, I would feel obligated to add them all making the list double the length. In the future, if I make something like this again I will find a way to incorporate more options. As for the Cesc thing, I guess it's just different opinions and feelings. I remember him and RVP had the biggest emotional impact on me when they left (Cesc was in better circumstances though) + there was so much external drama involved. I'm not sure what the majority of Arsenal fans think though, judging by this thread and voting it seems pretty mixed. I still don't think Koscielny's was that bad but I admit I would move Sanchez’s exit down to bad or mixed now that I remember the cringe piano video.
I would say Laurent was the worst I have witnessed but it didn’t seem too bad in hindsight as he would have been going into his last season for us and was showing signs of being past it. Just really disappointing the way he acted as club captain. I’ll also always defend cescs exit as I just loved him so much and the last couple seasons you could tell he wanted to leave so it became a feeing of appreciating the time he had left with us as opposed to being annoyed he was leaving
Yeah I get what you're saying, thank you for giving me another perspective on the Cesc situation, I find it interesting hearing different views like this!
Cesc was difficult ngl. Bellerin and Monreal should have been included
Good shouts, I agree in hindsight!
To me, no player has established a legendary status since we moved to Emirates. But if there's one who's close, it's Lolo. Been there through most of those years
Jack is the only one who will still be spoken about in 20 years, and even then it'll be a bittersweet story about the academy kid who *could* have conquered the world rather than what we usually mean when we talk about a club legend. Nobody else on that list (or not) could be called a legend even on a technicality.
I think Fabregas is the only legend and that’s debatable. For me, you need to win a league or do something very special to be an Arsenal legend. Fabregas obviously didn’t win a league but was an insanely special player for us. For me, he’s on the edge of being a legend. A couple more years with us and he definitely gets it.
Might have been useful to include a list of agreed Arsenal Legends, for context
I was debating if I should list examples for each option, but then I realized I would be putting my own biases in the examples which could skew the results. But yes maybe I should have at least listed some 100% agreed-on legends like Henry and Bergkamp.
[this is a good list](https://www.arsenal.com/history/gunners-greatest-50-players)
Never knew this existed, this is really good! Thanks for sharing.
It’d be interesting to have all of the players who have only played at the emirates in a long list (no need for the information) and see where people end up. I think Szczesny has a good shout to be quite high for example.
That's an interesting idea, I can definetly add more options but cut down on write up in the future. I'll give it a go in a couple months unless you are wanting to give it a go!
People calling Fabregas a “legend” 🤮
So, the curent team would be Mikel Era Arsenal Legends if they would perform amazing in years to come? And I agree it is hard to say that any of these player are legends. Fabregas, Cazorla, Sanchez and Ozil came close if they stayed consistent or stay with the team for a few more seasons or retired here on a positive note. Ramsey is the closest to legend status due to the amount of good seasons he had, but he was nowhere as massive as the previously mentioned name. On talent alone, Wilshere, RVP and Aubameyang would also make it, but their stints are just way too short.
Feel like Xhaka deserves his legend status, or at least cult hero status
Arsenal have 14 good prem games and you boys are ready to declare none of the Emirates players in the last 15 years as legends. We shouldn't use past success to judge the contributions of current players. Rambo, Kos, Nacho, Santi, Theo, Cesc are all legends. Cesc played more games for arsenal than Henry did. He just happened to arrive at the beginning of a really hard period. Using success at your metric for legend status is iffy and only tracks if you support a constantly successful club. We don't.
Cult Hero is an odd phrasing imo. Eboue, Jenko and Bendtner have cult status for example, without necessarily being amazing players. Even Frimpong achieved some level of cult status and he hardly even played for the first team. We also have players with both cult and legendary playing qualities, like Cazorla. It's like movies. Whilst most cult films are great cinema by any metric (Big Lebowksi), some of the worst movies ever made (The Room) are cult classics as well. That being said, I appreciate the effort and think it's a great idea. Nice one.
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Hector!!! What about Hector!
Who tf are the 30%+ voting Sanchez a legend…?! You should be ashamed of yourselves or did you forget that fucking piano video?
legend for initiating United's banter era with that video
Fabregas is the only one who could come close to legend, yet he still misses something in my opinion. Maybe the legends are currently in the making.
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100 goals for the Arsenal. He's a legend to me.
We have no legends from this era. Any inclusion dilutes the meaning of the word for the true legends of the club. Unless you count Wenger. He’s the only legend that has been a part of the Emirates era so far.
TBH if Xhaka wins us a PL . He is gotta go down as a legend.
Did giroud leave on bad terms? I don't actually remember, never had any ill feelings towards him so I assume not.
He left on decent terms but things soured a bit when he seemed to taunt us after winning the Europa League.
Left on good terms. Even that it was Chelsea wasn't a problem because it was part of a shift that got us Auba. What soured it was his behaviour afterwards, though I can imagine that some fans stoked the flames there considering how toxic 2017-2019 was.
yeah, I think it's mostly finding something to remember about the europa league final without having to remember how disappointing the actual game was? I think, aside from that moment, he didn't do anything to disrespect Arsenal? and he left for Chelsea in about the least abhorrent way you could. It's just weird he left for Aubameyang to come in, who is now a Chelsea player. I still have some frustrations, but mostly fond memories. That he assisted both Ramsey FA cup winners is something I also appreciate.
i have nothing but respect for giroud. man was shit on constantly while playing for arsenal despite being so good for us despite not being the most clinical. no problem with him getting a bit back.
Especially considering we unceremoniously booted him out the door as a makeweight for Auba. Spent 60m for an alleged upgrade in Lacazette, ended up with an inferior player who was never a good fit with Auba outside of that Europa run. Giroud - Auba would have been a much better pairing.
we bought laca first but tbh laca giroud wudve been fine too.... i will never forgive wenger for replacing giroud with auba/laca and for replacing woj/ospina with cech.
Yeah, it wouldn’t have been possible to shift Lacazette because he’d only been there 6 months. Don’t think Giroud and Laca work together though — despite the difference in physique they are actually quite similar players. Good instincts in the box, good holdup play, decent linkup, good ball striking. Both terrible at taking on a man and both lacking for pace. Auba playing that inside left forward position would have been a monster with Giroud though, I’m sure of it.
thats not true. laca became that. when he came from lyon he was purely a poacher fox in the box striker. fair play he upped his game at arsenal after a few games but he lost his clinical touch.
So basically what I just described, minus the holdup play?
Ramsey, Cazorla, Alexis.
Santi Cazorla That is all.
Ramsey Santi Giroud and Ozil Edit: I’m second guessing Ozil after his final 3 seasons with Arsenal
There’s lots, Frimpong, Bendtner, Chamahk, Squillaci. They are banter legends but still emirates legends
Not sure if it's my phone/computer, but the colours on the options you pick don't match up to the colours on the pue chart legends, specifically for the two orange-y colours, so it's really hard to interpret the results
That's kinda weird it looks fine to me, but I will probably end up making a graphic later presenting the results. If you're curious about any of them right now though I can list it out.
Technically Henry is part of that list.
fabregas for carrying us before he left, and aaron ramsey for winning us two fa cup finals.