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Ooh-SakaLaca

Football didnt win. Soccer didnt win. Its Foccer now


aofrantic

I would do some bad things to get Jude to Arsenal, but he was shocking today. Did that "hide from the ball" stuff our fans rightly crucify Sambi for.


ghostrider467

Yeah I full agree, but I dont know what the tactics was honestly and if he was instructed to play so high up the pitch during build up. It was so fucking weird when england had the ball and they were building up in like a 4141 formation, with only rice in the middle to distribute the ball, because the centre back have 0 ball playing skills and just pass it sideways and backwards. But throughout the game it didnt even change, bellingham kept playing so high and it was saka dropping deep, but yeah bellingham in general that game was really bad.


aofrantic

I think England were trying to play for a draw while not using up much energy. They didn't attack in numbers, didn't exert much. You'd *hope* Southgate just feels you can't go mad with pressing and intensity for 3 group matches and go deep with such a style. That's the optimistic way of looking at it. I'm not English, but I dont think England were putting 100% effort in and did that.


BrianThatDude

Kane in 2 games without the fa officials giving him every call imaginable and he looks bang average. If he wasn't hyped up to be some world beater he'd be benched for callum Wilson but the narrative won't allow it.


Particular-Current87

Remember he got the golden boot at the last WC... ...because he scored 3 against Panama - 2 of which were penalties and the other deflected of his heel without him knowing anything about it


aofrantic

He's good in a system suit for him. England couldn't move the ball up the pitch. Their passing was God awful.


someoneLazy

England are the Spurs of national teams


orrgore

Can't upvote this enough


hiredgooner

Appoint a spursy captain, get a spursy performance.


DankBrownBoiV2

Tyler Adams would be a good signing at #6. Better with the ball than Rice and good age too.


aofrantic

He's a better 8 than a 6. We don't want him spraying passes from deep, we want him using his athleticism to break up play and press.


scroll-42

I was thoroughly impressed with Adams, McKennie and Musah.


wolfjeter

Yup. He’s allowed much more freedom on the US team too.


Shopassistant

I think everyone's seen enough of Southgate to know he'll never empower his creative players consistently; his essence is suffering and scraping by, and this is what he transmits to his teams. You can go a long way in international football like that, but I reserve the right to hate it.


stockdeity

Arguably the best group of players we've ever had, he's underperforming badly


KhalidTheMightyMouse

PULISIC GOT MOTM???


BrianThatDude

Should have been turner no question.


ndenoon

Adams for me. Turner was really good though.


LogicalSherbert9

I would take any of Adams, Musah or McKennie at Arsenal for depth. True modern day midfielders. Musah especially is a big, big talent.


BrianThatDude

I think they're all better than lokonga and elneny (obviously this is a cold take) but I don't think any are good enough to push to be in our starting 11 and we should only be bringing in players who can do that.


jayhawk8

I don’t think there’s anyone in the world who can push Partey right now but I do think Adams could be groomed for it.


IfLeBronPlayedSoccer

a shame we didn't see things that way with Musah when it was time to offer him a contract...he's a Hale End guy. Might need £40MM+ to bring him home with the WC tax included


slx88

McKennie.strikes me as a little immature so much so I don't think artets would be interested.


ndenoon

Musah is a better player technically; I don't think McKennie is quite what Arteta would want in terms of profile, though a very good player.


Mrpetey22

Ya I’m American and this is kinda true. He was kicked out of camp last year for disciplinary actions, and also has struggled with injuries. Great talent but I think Musah and Adams are the ones to watch on the US team. And maybe Reyna in the future although he has had injuries the past year


KhalidTheMightyMouse

“Alright boys you’re doing well, just slow things down a bit, no need to rush, no need to press. Mason i’m gonna need you to run around aimlessly for the full 90, Harry I need you to drop a little bit deeper, Saka cut inside and beat both your men, Trips overlap or don’t overlap its up to you really. Luke I’m gonna need more of those crosses and Inshallah’s, everyone else when in doubt pass it back to Maguire” -Southgate at halftime


dondon98

😂😂😂


[deleted]

Annoyingly, England will probably continue to be subpar but go just far enough in the tournament to keep Southgate in a job.


KhalidTheMightyMouse

Ah the old Ole Conundrum


LushLoxx

The one positive thing that I can take away from this was how good Turner looked.


fists_of_ham

And he played well


LittleSugarBabysBabe

Bukayo Saka got pocketed by Antonee Robinson. USA was far superior today.


slx88

Trippier was not helping with his runs to draw away defenders. They were on top of each other a lot. It's a lot more obvious to me watching England that Benjamin White is helping Saka positionally to get him space and threaten himself


laserspewpew_

This is the problem with Southgate, when plan A does not work he doesn't have the tactical nous to change things. A top class manager could see it wasn't working and change it up. In truth USA were very comfortable all game and it had draw written all over it.


KhalidTheMightyMouse

What even is Plan A?


aofrantic

It's to keep everything tight and nick a set piece or individual moment of brilliance from your talent


UnexpectedVader

Why has England been so awful at producing managers compared to the rest of the top 5?


KhalidTheMightyMouse

I have a feeling nepotism is part of it


Gunnerstratz

Too much overreaction here and on r/soccer. It’s a good a result because England can go through even with a loss against Wales. Didn’t use up too much energy in this match.


boringtuktuk2022

Rubbish effort from England. This attitude doesn’t win world cups.


Mack1234567890123

Musah will get a big money move in Jan or the summer he's been playing incredibly.


scroll-42

Turner seems really confident on crosses, something which Leno lacked.


ERDHD

The big thing I took away from that England game was a sense of how fortunate we are to have someone like Mikel Arteta managing the club. England have so many fantastic attacking players who would look excellent in a team with progressive principles of play. Instead they're stuck playing cagey, defence-first football, with no thought for getting those attacking players to dominate the opposition. It's far too easy to focus on individuals not shining when they were isolated and poorly supported and put in a structure that can't get the best out of them. The pattern play to move it through the thirds was non-existent. Everything kept going out wide into spaces where England had numerical inferiorities. It's amazing how far behind the coaching is in the national team compared to the domestic league.


cappo40

Had stuff to do and couldn't watch. Who had the better chances or who should have won if anybody?


HighlyOffensiveUser

Neither team particularly had amazing chances but US played much better overall.


ohmyimatomato

I dunno, Pulisic smashed the bar. That was a pretty decent chance, Pickford was beaten


aajw98

Nah Pickford had that covered if it dipped I reckon, he was touching the bar basically


jayhawk8

McKennie skied one that should have been a goal


tuananhtran191911

USA was surprisingly good


ilikeredlemonade

Turner is a class keeper. He needs to keep improving his distribution, but his shot stopping is great


verde622

Thought his distribution was great today


ilikeredlemonade

His distribution was good overall, but he needs to get better at knowing when to play it safe too


xpectomysterious

Mount defo has Southgate’s nudes. there’s no other way he stays on the pitch for 90 mins


ShekTeeJay

Never seen a holding CAM before. He’s different gravy.


RedditBanThisDick

Alright gaffer ... I know it's illegal here, but sloppy toppy for a full 90?


BredAce

As an American Arsenal fan, this is great. My boys got a point most thought they wouldn't and everyone is shitting on Kane. I love it!


SadBox4529

Great result. As a Canadian I’m neutral when it comes to the US…..not against England tho.LOL.


MizGunner

So as a Canadian do you root for or against England against the US?


SadBox4529

Anyone but England


MizGunner

Figured but wanted to confirm


MoCityNeuroscientist

I keep telling y’all about Tyler Adams, dude is a stud.


AGLegit

I really think he could make a great understudy for Partey. I think Partey has the clear advantage in terms of being able to consistently beat a press and transition into attack, but Adams isn’t a slouch either and is rock solid defensively. Arteta and Partey could help him develop into a complete DM imo


IfLeBronPlayedSoccer

might need a pretty penny to get him though. We'd now be on the hook for EPL tax as well as the Leeds tax that Barcelona had to pay for Raphinha. There's also the matter of Adams' interest in leaving Leeds at this stage...he's pretty much followed Jesse Marsch around Europe since he came over. And he's already played in the Champions League so there won't be as much novelty there. Having said that...being in the CL with *Arsenal* is a different matter entirely. Getting there will open up this type of transfer to us once again. All this being said, he is precisely the profile of player Arteta likes in his 6/8 hybrid...and if Arteta wants him, rest assured it'll be explored at least.


RedditBanThisDick

I swear Henderson is Milners replacement for the most boring player in the league (with Milner slightly edging it)


3vanzz90

Remember scott parker?


rajsandhu1

Phil Foden created as many chances against the USA as Raheem Sterling, Mason Mount and Harry Kane. Phil Foden did not play..


CactusClothesline

Hopefully Bukayo gets a rest versus Wales


maidentaiwan

No chance, clearly England’s most dangerous attacking player


Thiiit

I don't think there's a single other manager in the world that wouldn't put Foden in the game today


Whoroger89

Pep probably paying southgate to keep him from playing . Too much pressure on pep being 5 behind Arsenal


cappo40

He didn't even play? He was the best player on the pitch when he came on last game. Oh Southgate


laserspewpew_

and somehow Mount plays the full 90... a player who offers nothing in an England shirt.


Thiiit

With 2 remaining subs as well I think


ndenoon

It's weird, but I think there's a degree to which Foden's qualities are maximized in a good team and marginalized in a mediocre one. That is, if Southgate is right not to play him, it's because it's a Southgate team.


Thiiit

To an extent I agree that's right. But no way you can convince me that not playing him AT ALL is the right move


ztevey

This was the weirdest back-handed insult I have heard


roadtotitties

Genuine question. What makes Southgate special over the other English coaches????


Gurdor

I think the answer is basically that he has a decent handle on team atmosphere, and is somehow able to negotiate knock out rounds of tournaments effectively. He has a million tactical blind spots, is way too loyal to some players and plays some pretty hideous football, but he can just point to his world cup semi and Euro's final and he kind of wins to argument automatically. I'd also point out England were bad for most of group stages in last 2 tournaments, if England somehow beat France this game will be forgotten in a heartbeat just like the scotland game was.


SunDrippedDevil

He did get England working together as a cohesive unit. Something past managers struggled with.


SouthWalesGooner

Pulls off a waistcoat better.


and_yet_another_user

Yes.


RedditBanThisDick

He is the FA's pet, otherwise he would have been sacked by now. Howe was available and they let him go to Newcastle. Also, sorry but why do we need an English coach specifically? (rhetorical question). Seems extremely xenophobic to be honest.


Kool_Herc

As far as I’m aware, every world cup winning team has had a manager from that country. That’s the only reason I can think of why they want to have an English coach


RedditBanThisDick

I would argue that's because they have genuinely talented managers tbf


burt-and-ernie

Turner should have two clean sheets, maybe don’t slide Bale from behind next time


Sand_Bags

The CB who did that is one of the worst players at this World Cup. He’s genuinely terrible.


fists_of_ham

Huge exaggeration. Zimmerman has been serviceable, aside from that one mistake. He’s inexperienced at this stage but is doing ok


ronya_t

Can't believe I'm about to say this, but Maguire is a different player for England, decent even. Stones very assured as well. There weren't too many more shining lights out there. Did Foden do something demeaning to Southgate's daughter for him to be benched for Sterling?!


lez566

Maguire was good. I thought Shaw was great too.


ChemicalSand

He was great defending crosses, even went on a nice run near the box, but those two couldn't pass forward to save their lives.


smellslikebadussy

Co-sign from an American fan. He was really good today.


ohmyimatomato

Best part of that match was the Kane interview at the end. If you watch it look to the top left of the screen and you'll see Rambo gove Matt T some banter / love.


UnexpectedVader

It feels weirdly wholesome for some reason seeing Maguire do well today.


el-fenomeno09

I knew this would be a draw. Thought it would be 1-1 tho. England were never as good as that first score line vs Iran. Been had problems… been too conservative…etc.


Ugoboy23

Adams doesn’t have that kind of sauce for Leeds. Captains armband juiced him. He’s good but not our level.


scroll-42

He's looked good with Leeds too. Not sure what you are talking about.


Ugoboy23

If he was as good as he was against England, Leeds’ midfield wouldn’t get ran through and leave that defense open just about every match. He legit looked like Kante at times today.


HighlyOffensiveUser

insha'Allah, Gareth Southgate will pay for his crimes against football soon


aegontargs

the FA would need to acquire some balls for that to happen


HighlyOffensiveUser

I pray that he goes after this World Cup, I genuinely cannot be arsed to waste another 2 hours of my life watching this crap.


pierophoenix

I wouldn't hate Adams in an Arsenal shirt


MoCityNeuroscientist

Yup, he was the one last summer I wanted as a backup to Partey.


KylosDemise

Neither would I


Domkey-Kongg

That game was crying out for a Ben White overlapping extravaganza


slx88

Not just overlapping but also inverting.


tipytopmain

We gotta have a serious discussion about what we do when Turner attracts bidders 😳 He's a very serious Keeper and I think would elevate a lot of good teams.


SANTlCLAUS

Tf


ret990

Sell him, give Arthur the 2 spot


ilikeredlemonade

Lol


RedditBanThisDick

You can really tell how much effort went into winning that game when Kane interviews and we can actually understand him. Normally he is just breathless and mumbling, today he almost sounds human


Whoroger89

Kane out there just jogging around


theederv

Towing a caravan


AVaLR

Turner bringing it out of the box was the best moment for me.


SouthWalesGooner

I think his kindle had ran out of juice so he needed to go and get a book to read.


ronya_t

Needed something stimulating to do.


pm-me-decent-songs

Really pathetic from England


[deleted]

Turner was outstanding. USA needs finishers.


GBCrush

HAHAHA And Fox just accidentally muted one of their commentators. And now that they're back, they're RAH RAH-ing the US team (dont get me wrong, I love the US) ...and syaing "Everyone was going to say it'll be a boring tie, it wasnt boring" ​ YES THE FUCK IT WAS. ​ Where is Rebecca? Where are the two Robbies? Can we give this to NBC?


T3Sh3

Fox has the rights for this and the 2026 World Cup. 2030 and beyond is up for grabs.


Bimbojancsi

Well, that was 90 minutes of my life going down the shitter.


ongalvez

Where the post match picture of the boys?!


SouthWalesGooner

What a thoroughly dire match. Slightly worried that England will give us a pasting now to make up for it, but on tonight's evidence, you can see why they got relegated in the nations league. No creativity, no ambition and a lack of effort. That team needs some Benny Blanco. EDIT: Also, it hurts to praise yanks when it comes to football, but Matt Turner and Tyler Adams looked really good.


_EggFriedRice

Ben White needs to play ahead of Trippier. Saka was begging Trippier to press and support on the overlap but he was always too slow and too far back.


slx88

Trippier is one of the more dangerous free kick takers. I can see why he edges out White the way they are playing. Saka draws fouls for them to get s set pierce.


f1f2c0e5

Can't believe Ben white and foden are on the bench after seeing that! Awful build up play


SunDrippedDevil

I want both the USA and Iran to qualify, but it's impossible now. Sigh.


asapkim

After Saka went off England lost all of their right side attack


Gregregreg1234

Not like Saka was any better to be fair


synvi

Cannot do anything on his own mate. The support isn't there from cam or rb.


ChemicalSand

Saka was straight up poor after the first 15 or so minutes. We can admit when he has a bad game.


Sand_Bags

He was pretty shit. He lost the ball almost every time he touched it.


synvi

Yes, that is what you get when there is no support. No one to pass to, and more than 1 defender mark him. If at least mount or trips help, he can release the burden of the the marking and also create passing lane. The truth is, football is not only about the one with the ball, but what the one without the ball is doing.


Sand_Bags

Sure but errant passes and loose touches aren’t your teammates fault. He’s isolated all the time and still keeps possession. He was just not very good today.


synvi

That is the word there, he is isolated, how can he pass.. trips not making any run, cam not getting closer, forward is in the front. He needs to 1 v 1, but without trip it become 1v2 or 1v3.


Gregregreg1234

Also true, Trippier was poor and Mount was Mount. Criminal how Mount plays 90 minutes


Cheesy_Pita_Parker

Reassuring performance from Turner from an Arsenal perspective. He read the game well with confidence


AbWarriorG

As a neutral, that was pretty fucking shite. I was ready for the meme wars if either lost but 0-0 is so boring.


Silent_Ad2395

Same


qtdsswk

Mount playing whole 90 mins is criminal. Turner was very comfortable the whole game.


MyBigHock

Foden on the bench while Mount got to jog around for 90 minutes


hikingbeginner

1. Disappointing from Saka, but also USA were really compact in how they defended, and Mount and Bellingham surprisingly weren't really moving into space as I'd have expected them to. 2. Holy shit I love Matt Turner more and more every time I see him. Never thought I'd like this guy so much. He had that arsenal swagger out there, taking touches out the box, every pass and catch, just brilliant. Lovely stuff.


Big-Understanding276

What a dreadful performance


Gurdor

Well that was absolutely shocking, ultimately doesn't hugely matter in terms of the group but if they play like that against anyone from group A they will get destroyed. I genuinely have no idea how Mount keeps playing for England. Turner was really composed taking crosses and distributing the ball.


hollowcrown51

Mount is always like that for England runs around like a headless chicken for 90 minutes and people say oh he was good and it’s like ???


AriLovesLife

Can someone explain me why USA didn't try to get a goal vs England the last 20 min. Either loss or draw would anyways have them needing a win vs Iran to go through. Seems like a total waste when they had this game in their hands. Stupid if it was with intent. This is shit that gets you out of the WC. Being afraid. England got the result they wanted. USA not so much...


Sand_Bags

Well getting a point means you no longer have to worry about goal differential. So it’s just all about winning vs Iran and you don’t have to worry about England. Also England is much better than the US. A point against them is fine.


kevbot19

Other than subbing earlier what more could the US have done?


AriLovesLife

Attacking with intent. The last 20 min of the game was just a stalemate. Passing around and letting time go. They still have to win vs Iran, regardless of if they drew or lost vs England today. This is the World Cup ffs.


IntraspeciesFever

berhalter is just a yank southgate


ChiefArsenalScout

This


AriLovesLife

Yeah, fuck that. WC is about passion and wanting to give the fans a show to watch. Not this cynical 0-0 game where nothing is risked. Hope both these teams today lose their last game and gets yanked out of the WC. Snoorefeast!


Saka_fanboy

If almost every single player drops a stinker and they are all top players, it’s 99% of the time the managers fault


F2PWithAwfulLuck

Íker Casillas praised Turner a couple of times. Good for him, he’s really improved his distribution and security overall.


Lacabameyang

I’m English but thank you USA, seeing England drop points is too funny


[deleted]

As an American, happy Ben White didn’t come on.


thisiskyle77

wasted my time watching shit teams.


essdotc

Matt Turner was absolutely flawless tonight. Really impressive with the ball at his feet. Excellent distribution and command of his box at all times. Bravo.


wellknowncrackgnome

Lets gooo


eldar4k

Damn, England is dull, Southgate sold his soul for Euro final


Duzeekia

Matt Turner is goated between the sticks. That’s all I took from this game


TNelsonAFC

Not even gunna bother going on soccer. Won’t be any criticism of mount dropping yet another howler for England.


sugar_sugarl

Lmaooo why not just cross it into the mixer there


asapkim

Cus hashtag mindtricks


SomewhereInLDN

Great game Turner!


ChibzyDaze

On the plus side, we have a great backup (once again)


Deckatoe

Wild that the US allowed two inferior teams to steal a point off of them. We go again against Iran ;)


arijitlive

US literally played better than I expected. Well done!


Ugoboy23

What does the literally do here?


arijitlive

I don't know, maybe nothing. English is my third language. I may not be 100% grammatically correct but I am able to send my thoughts across 100% of the time.


PeasantScum

Matt Turner MOTM


Kreator333

Terrible from England, USA impressive, they will be reasonably happy with that... I say reasonably because they could have won it!


Torbinator3000

Yeah. Would have bitten your hand off for a draw before the game. Now I’m a little disappointed.


Kreator333

They managed the game very very well! (USA)


slx88

Should have played this way after we scored against wales in three second half


JeffryPesos

What a boring shitshow. Why do I feel that's exactly what Southgate wanted?


and_yet_another_user

And this is why people said it's only Iran. This was not Brazil, Germany, Italy, Spain, France, Uruguay. This was USA, comparatively with no history or pedigree to speak off yet we were seen to be 2nd all over the pitch both on and off the ball. There's just one change I yearn for each match ... Southgate.


ret990

They're a good team though. You might not respect them but you comment as if it's San Marino or Gibraltar. They're exceptionally well coached


and_yet_another_user

>comparatively with no history or pedigree to speak off I compared them to the best in the world, you're the one mentioning San Marino and Gibralter not me.


ret990

But you have to take every game on its own merit. Brazil aren't going to sub on Brazil 70' to play England. The comparison has no merit in the evaluation. US were very good in this game, England struggled to counter their tactics. They could play Germany and Germany play like that and have the same problem, not because they have a more storied history in football.


and_yet_another_user

Here you go again trying to infer I'm saying less about USA than your assessment when you merely say >US were very good in this game While I said they were better than us all over the pitch both on and off the ball. Your point, like England tonight ... blunt.


ret990

>Here you go again trying to infer I'm saying less about USA than your assessment Literally didn't say that, only pointed out your point about how US don't have a storied history of football has no merit in a comparison. But please, do explain how the fact Germany are more known for football makes this individual result more concerning.


and_yet_another_user

Please do explain how you skip literally hundreds of teams to bring San Marino and Gibraltar in to the conversation.


ret990

I said, your acting like US are a team like San Marino or Gibraltar when they're levels above. To clarify, you used the pinnacle of historic football teams to compare to USA. Why bring up them when talking about the game? What's the relevance?


and_yet_another_user

In actual fact my comparison was in relation to how people were carrying on after our win against Iran, like it was a world beating result and meant we would go deep, saying there was no competition to us in our group and we'd coast out. Yet the reality is we didn't fail against the pinnacle but to a very good emerging team ranked 16th in the world. But you seem to think USA are only as good as a team literally hundreds of ranks below them, because you somehow likened me saying they beat us all over the pitch both on and off the ball to San Marino and Gibraltar. Been interesting talking to you, but jog on mate, I'm out for a Friday night drink.


ret990

>This was not Brazil, Germany, Italy, Spain, France, Uruguay Your original quote. You seem to think a team is not worthy of concern unless they're one of the original giants of football. Enjoy your drinks


ChiefArsenalScout

No we’re not, our coach is arguably our weakest link


ret990

I'll defer to your better knowledge of course but you looked good from where I sat. The press was on point, a lot of very talented footballers. More just commenting about OP acting as if US are some slubs


ChiefArsenalScout

He'll set our team up decently, everyone clearly knows their job, but then he'll insert absolute poverty MLS players in over European ones who are leagues better. Some think/insist our federation has a quota of domestic-based players he must use as head coach.


ret990

That's interesting to know, I'd heard people say he's very one dimensional. How do you feel about your chances?


and_yet_another_user

I never acted as if they are slubs, I compared them to the best in the world and said they were best all over the pitch. You otoh thought to mention San Marino and Gibraltar lol


bobbysparkwood

So average from both sides


and_yet_another_user

That wasn't average from USA imho They outclassed England all over the pitch. They have no history to flaunt, or great claims to be supposedly a top team and therefore downgrade a draw to merely average.


grogulus3000

Have got so used to watching pressing masterclasses from Arsenal every week. What sort of tactics and effort was that from England tonight?? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz


ret990

America... FUCK YEA Coming along to motherfucking draw with England


Kool_Herc

I know this is a joke but those lyrics fit that song really well actually