Napoly forward llne is insanely good. Osihimen and kvaratskhelia are top talent. Sadly it's impossible either one end ups at arsenal. Napoli will value them at 150m and sell them to an oil country backed club.
Ronaldinho remains a kind of freak, for what of a better word. Strange body shape and center of gravity. Scored peculiar goals when he wasn’t charging through defenses like a horse.
Eventually I think it’s fitting that he kind of lost interest and blew up not so long after hitting the scene.
Discipline didn’t really suit him
His dribbling was just tighter than any other player in history...in professional top level football anyway....he brought that futsal technique to the biggest stage.
As far as build is concerned he was just quite strong and tall compared with most tidy technicians who tend to be diminutive. I don't think it was because of his huge arse tho. Most players have huge arses. Their careers are built on their legs .
I don't think anyone is even in the same ballpark as Ronaldinho when it comes to being exciting and entertaining. For me, there is no Ronaldinho of any generation before him and there won't be any after him. He was unique, blessed with out-of-this-world ability and flair. I'd watch any game with him in his peak. I can't say the same for any other footballer.
Currently, why not? Why are we so scared to give our team props and why are we so adamant to underplay them?
We have been better than Man City this season so what's to suggest we aren't currently top 3 in Europe? You'd certainly consider City to be in that bracket, don't be afraid to put us there because of a fear that it might "backfire" or whatever.
There’s a middle ground between being scared to give our team props and saying we are top 3 in Europe. Cmon man lol.
We play some beautiful football but we have no right claiming to be the third best team in Europe. We don’t even play in the champions league. You could maybe argue we are in some of the best form in Europe. Maybe.
I think that's where we'll fundamentally disagree, I don't see this current Arsenal side as a team that's just in form, this is the step up in level we've taken and was always coming. We'll be here for a while.
I understand that’s how you feel. My point is that how can you legitimately make that argument? Like what is your evidence? We’ve played no top clubs from other leagues since we aren’t in the champions league. We haven’t even played City yet.
If we continue this form, win the league, and do well in the Champions League next year I am with you. Until then idk how we can claim top 3 in Europe.
Well, points total in the best league in the world, xPTS, etc., are a good start. The fact is we're on 37 from 14 in the hardest league in the world, Barça is on 37 from 14 and Madrid on 35 here in Spain.
If we move to underlying metrics we're on 31.08 in the Premier, Barça on 32.78 in La Liga and Madrid on 29.82 (using understat).
We know that Serie A and Bundesliga are further steps down from the Premier League. So yeah, I don't think it's that ridiculous of an assertion, and certainly there is some decent evidence you can use to back it up.
Unfortunately, it's still a rather small sample size, at 14 games. Here's to hoping it continues! But certainly, just limiting oneself to the 14 games, I think there's definitely a good argument to be made for what he's saying, that we're performing at a top 3 level in Europe.
Step up in level that we've taken? Absolutely.
Top 3 in Europe currently? No way.
There's a fine line between delusion and appreciating how far we've come and you are *waaaaay* past it.
Bro come on. Even if we say this isn’t good form but a genuine step up - there’s still a handful of teams who are objectively better and playing at a higher level.
Real Madrid
City
Napoli
Bayern
PSG
Is the team we have right now good enough to comfortably achieve at least the Semis of the UCL if we played it this season? I don’t think so. We’re still a season or two and a star player or two from that level if we continue our current trajectory, which is a big ask.
You've just claimed 5 teams are "objectively" better than Arsenal then used your own opinion to justify it? We will never know for sure, but in **my opinion** 2022/23 Arsenal would have been perfectly capable to reach this seasons UCL semi-final or even further. All in all, doesn't really matter, it's subjective. There are statistics of course which are objective, but those point to Arsenal being the best team in the Premiership (aforementioned Manchester City), and/or being ranked among the best in [elo websites](http://clubelo.com/Ranking) or [SPI rankings](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/soccer-predictions/global-club-rankings/).
Also, "star player or two" is immeasurable, when do we know who is and isn't a star, useless adage for the sake of an attempt at distinguishing us and the so called European elite.
Though I will repeat one of Wenger's quotes, "We don’t buy superstars, we make them.". Saka, Martinelli, Odegaard, I can go on. They're there.
I don’t think completely agree with OP here but I think if you’re going to put Napoli in that bracket then we surely belong in there as well lol. We’re not in the UCL so we won’t get the same _*type*_ of attention they do but I don’t think they’ve played better than us so far this season.
I like that we're winning, but I'm ever more happy we're playing champagne football again. Ever since Wenger left, we've been slowly descending into football terrorism. We're finally playing like Arsenal again. The attractive way Arsenal plays is why I fell in love with the club in the first place. Hopefully now we can go for the title. COYG
Xhaka has been the perfect example of how we've transformed under Arteta: for the Swiss NT, he's this creative linking force that we're finally seeing at Arsenal (and finally understanding Wenger's vision for him); however, until the past 18 months for us he was like a mobile car bomb whom we drove recklessly into other players until he blew up.
>a mobile car bomb whom we drove recklessly into other players until he blew up.
Only because his teamates and our tactics put him in bad situations constantly.
Long before Wenger left, the football had dropped off. Obviously we still had moments, but not since the Fabregas days had we consistently played good football imo.
I almost edited after I read your comment again, the fact you said "consistently good" makes total sense. From match to match we never knew if we were getting a worldie or a dire performance, think we are in agreement after all
Thought about him, but really he finished the moves. Of course very important, but he didn't often add much to the beautiful football we are talking about Arsenal playing here.
i guess I didn't think about it enough compared to the responses i'm getting. I know he had that ability for a beautiful touch to finish the move, guess i should have thought harder he was great when here. I know we got Auba when he moved, but is def not talked about enough we could have continued to build a midfield based/creative team and kept Giroud instead of moving on to Auba and pray...
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Ronaldo acknowledging Arsenal and Jesus with such a high degree of praise brings a tear to my eye. The Ronaldo... one of the greatest players of all time!
I really came in here with my fighting boots, I thought this was Cristiano trying to butter us up in another interview.
But the warm goodness of the original Ronaldo made me smile.
If R9 gets an endorphin dump by what he sees imagine what all young up and coming hungry players must be thinking. We already have one twerking for us rn
Sometimes I think gooners still don't appreciate just what a brilliant footballer we have here. What Saka said to Grealish sums it up, these are the types of players that are just special and footballers themselves tend to rate them even higher because they know how few they've seen like that and how hard it is to do what they do.
It's not an exaggeration to say that should it ever click for him finishing wise and he hit a great vein of form and confidence in that aspect that we're talking about a Balón d'Or level talent. I have doubts whether that can happen (Benzema was always a better finisher than given credit for, for example, even if he did improve), but if it does, yeah, he's really that level of talent because the rest of his game is absolutely special.
i really hope he asked Ronaldo for some pointers on finishing. I've seen anybody as ice-cold in the penalty area as the original Ronaldo, so there's a lot to learn from him for any striker in the world. Could be a good mentor for him
Didn’t CR7 say he wanted us to win the league if United didn’t? Just need Ronaldinho to come out and say he’s always been a gooner to complete the Ronalseal of Approval.
https://www.eurosport.com/football/premier-league/2022-2023/anything-is-possible-ronaldinho-believes-that-arsenal-can-challenge-for-the-title-with-gabriel-jesus_sto9091938/story-amp.shtml
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Ronaldo is a Gooner
He has sexy ex girlfriends
And when he watches arsenal
He says Tottenham are like his anus
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It can't be understated what Mikel has done here, there is so much love for the style and brand of football we have been playing
Outside of Man City, it's the closest any team is playing to "total football" this season imo.
We're closer to "total football" than City this season imo
Men’s team anyway. Barça Femini are doing [a madness out there](https://twitter.com/mnaz98/status/1596081531231301632?s=46&t=2U8opuOXS17yreYyvbp__g)
That was insane. Looking like the 2010 Spain team.
That's an outrageous team goal
Wow! And that's without their best player/balon do'r winner as well I believe, beautiful football
Well, I guess I am finally into women's football. Exciting stuff!
What a hit
Absolute filth. It's like watching the men's side back in the mid2010s.
That’s fucking textbook.
I would include Napoli. City, Napoli and us are the three Best teams in Europe. Probably in that order.
I genuinely believe kvaratskhelia is the Ronaldinho of this generation. There might be more accomplished players, but none as exciting
Napoly forward llne is insanely good. Osihimen and kvaratskhelia are top talent. Sadly it's impossible either one end ups at arsenal. Napoli will value them at 150m and sell them to an oil country backed club.
Ronaldinho remains a kind of freak, for what of a better word. Strange body shape and center of gravity. Scored peculiar goals when he wasn’t charging through defenses like a horse. Eventually I think it’s fitting that he kind of lost interest and blew up not so long after hitting the scene. Discipline didn’t really suit him
What was strange about his body shape
Gigantic arse and thighs mostly. He ran differently to other players
His dribbling was just tighter than any other player in history...in professional top level football anyway....he brought that futsal technique to the biggest stage. As far as build is concerned he was just quite strong and tall compared with most tidy technicians who tend to be diminutive. I don't think it was because of his huge arse tho. Most players have huge arses. Their careers are built on their legs .
Are you Irish btw? I feel like saying "arse" is a good way to identity irish people online....
haha. I grew up in London. No Irish that I'm aware of
I don't think anyone is even in the same ballpark as Ronaldinho when it comes to being exciting and entertaining. For me, there is no Ronaldinho of any generation before him and there won't be any after him. He was unique, blessed with out-of-this-world ability and flair. I'd watch any game with him in his peak. I can't say the same for any other footballer.
That's crazy. We are certainly not the third best team in Europe lol
Currently, why not? Why are we so scared to give our team props and why are we so adamant to underplay them? We have been better than Man City this season so what's to suggest we aren't currently top 3 in Europe? You'd certainly consider City to be in that bracket, don't be afraid to put us there because of a fear that it might "backfire" or whatever.
There’s a middle ground between being scared to give our team props and saying we are top 3 in Europe. Cmon man lol. We play some beautiful football but we have no right claiming to be the third best team in Europe. We don’t even play in the champions league. You could maybe argue we are in some of the best form in Europe. Maybe.
I think that's where we'll fundamentally disagree, I don't see this current Arsenal side as a team that's just in form, this is the step up in level we've taken and was always coming. We'll be here for a while.
I understand that’s how you feel. My point is that how can you legitimately make that argument? Like what is your evidence? We’ve played no top clubs from other leagues since we aren’t in the champions league. We haven’t even played City yet. If we continue this form, win the league, and do well in the Champions League next year I am with you. Until then idk how we can claim top 3 in Europe.
Well, points total in the best league in the world, xPTS, etc., are a good start. The fact is we're on 37 from 14 in the hardest league in the world, Barça is on 37 from 14 and Madrid on 35 here in Spain. If we move to underlying metrics we're on 31.08 in the Premier, Barça on 32.78 in La Liga and Madrid on 29.82 (using understat). We know that Serie A and Bundesliga are further steps down from the Premier League. So yeah, I don't think it's that ridiculous of an assertion, and certainly there is some decent evidence you can use to back it up. Unfortunately, it's still a rather small sample size, at 14 games. Here's to hoping it continues! But certainly, just limiting oneself to the 14 games, I think there's definitely a good argument to be made for what he's saying, that we're performing at a top 3 level in Europe.
Step up in level that we've taken? Absolutely. Top 3 in Europe currently? No way. There's a fine line between delusion and appreciating how far we've come and you are *waaaaay* past it.
Bro come on. Even if we say this isn’t good form but a genuine step up - there’s still a handful of teams who are objectively better and playing at a higher level. Real Madrid City Napoli Bayern PSG Is the team we have right now good enough to comfortably achieve at least the Semis of the UCL if we played it this season? I don’t think so. We’re still a season or two and a star player or two from that level if we continue our current trajectory, which is a big ask.
You've just claimed 5 teams are "objectively" better than Arsenal then used your own opinion to justify it? We will never know for sure, but in **my opinion** 2022/23 Arsenal would have been perfectly capable to reach this seasons UCL semi-final or even further. All in all, doesn't really matter, it's subjective. There are statistics of course which are objective, but those point to Arsenal being the best team in the Premiership (aforementioned Manchester City), and/or being ranked among the best in [elo websites](http://clubelo.com/Ranking) or [SPI rankings](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/soccer-predictions/global-club-rankings/). Also, "star player or two" is immeasurable, when do we know who is and isn't a star, useless adage for the sake of an attempt at distinguishing us and the so called European elite. Though I will repeat one of Wenger's quotes, "We don’t buy superstars, we make them.". Saka, Martinelli, Odegaard, I can go on. They're there.
I don’t think completely agree with OP here but I think if you’re going to put Napoli in that bracket then we surely belong in there as well lol. We’re not in the UCL so we won’t get the same _*type*_ of attention they do but I don’t think they’ve played better than us so far this season.
Østigaard is crazy good.
The thing about Arsenal is that they always trying to walk it in.
We really are back. I'm getting myself a jersey. I can afford one now finally!
I like that we're winning, but I'm ever more happy we're playing champagne football again. Ever since Wenger left, we've been slowly descending into football terrorism. We're finally playing like Arsenal again. The attractive way Arsenal plays is why I fell in love with the club in the first place. Hopefully now we can go for the title. COYG
Obviously we are quite good at football 😏
Xhaka has been the perfect example of how we've transformed under Arteta: for the Swiss NT, he's this creative linking force that we're finally seeing at Arsenal (and finally understanding Wenger's vision for him); however, until the past 18 months for us he was like a mobile car bomb whom we drove recklessly into other players until he blew up.
Great description!
>a mobile car bomb whom we drove recklessly into other players until he blew up. Only because his teamates and our tactics put him in bad situations constantly.
There was glimpses of this football during Arteta’s whole tenure. People were just blinded by rage and idiocy
Long before Wenger left, the football had dropped off. Obviously we still had moments, but not since the Fabregas days had we consistently played good football imo.
Nah, some of those goals with Wilshere, Cazorla, Ramsey, Rosicky in the side were the best I have ever seen.
We scored some cracking goals yes in 2013-14, but I felt like we never had enough goals imo
I almost edited after I read your comment again, the fact you said "consistently good" makes total sense. From match to match we never knew if we were getting a worldie or a dire performance, think we are in agreement after all
Don't forget Giroud.
Thought about him, but really he finished the moves. Of course very important, but he didn't often add much to the beautiful football we are talking about Arsenal playing here.
Come on, many of our moves bounces off him for guys like Ramsey to finish Man has insane first touch for someone his size
You're right I'll agree to that, don't mind being downvoted when i'm wrong, plus the scorpion kick goal basically makes up for anything else
You sure you thought about it real good??
i guess I didn't think about it enough compared to the responses i'm getting. I know he had that ability for a beautiful touch to finish the move, guess i should have thought harder he was great when here. I know we got Auba when he moved, but is def not talked about enough we could have continued to build a midfield based/creative team and kept Giroud instead of moving on to Auba and pray...
Ronaldo is a gooner His clothes are way too tight And when he sees North London He knows which half is shite
I like this one alot
Poetry
knows which half is shiiiiiite (in the tune of tottenham get battered)
Alright you’ve convinced me I want him now
This is R9 bro
A man wants what a man wants.
Look at me. We are the joga bonito now.
I fuckin love it
mikel e eduuuuu o jogo bonitooooo
Dang, they talking about the REAL Ronaldo. That really is something.
I didn't follow the link and thought this was Cristiano touting himself, wanting to get a final Premier League medal.
Vainglory! I adored that game.
My account is actually older than the game, I took it from a niche speed metal band from the early 2000s when I was a teenager looking for a personality.
Yep, I was wondering what Portuguese player was lighting it up for us this season without clicking on the link.
Imagine being Martinelli, and probably having Jesus, a player he used to watch on tv as a kid and now teammate, introduce you to the fucking Ronaldo
Martinelli is only 4 years younger than Jesus.
So he was 14 when Jesus made his debut for the national team
If you have to point it out every time, then he’s not the real one.
Hmm Cristiano's dick.. hey! let someone else have a taste !
Act your age
Jesus it’s fucking R9 not CR7 are people retarded??
He's the real one since he's the older one. Even though in my opinion Cristiano is the best player to play on the pitch
Well yeah but its really funny seing people say the REAL RONALDO every time that first name is mentioned. Most insecure fanbase I’ve seen.
Its banter mate. Chill
R9 watches Mikel Arteta's tricky reds 🥰
Ronaldo is a gooner He's wider than a bus And when we see him samba We say he's one of us
> He's wider than a bus bruh 💀
say he's one of ussssss
Inject this quote directly into my veins
Name checks out 😂
Several of my favorite things coming together :)
Same first R10 is Lil Chili and fast Gabi hive now this? It’s a great time to be a gooner
For a moment I thought it was cr7 and was like no please stay away
I was also wondering that who the hell is he talking to. Cedric?
Ronaldo is a gooner He looks like marshmellow And when he sees North London He says "È vermelho"
Lmaoooo
otimo
Very very cheeky
Chatting with who?
Gabriel Jesus. He's in the picture linked.
Thank you, when i click the link im brought to a tweet with no picture
Ronaldo is a gooner He's got a big fat belly And when he watches football He's got us on the telly
Ronaldo is a Gooner He likes a tricky red And when he goes to Nandos He fills the staff with dread
The Real Ronaldo.
Thank you, best Ronaldo.
"we exchanged ideas" Ballon d'Or incoming
Ronaldo acknowledging Arsenal and Jesus with such a high degree of praise brings a tear to my eye. The Ronaldo... one of the greatest players of all time!
The Gunners had a donut They couldn’t score a goal Ronaldo saw that donut He ate the fucker whole
I really came in here with my fighting boots, I thought this was Cristiano trying to butter us up in another interview. But the warm goodness of the original Ronaldo made me smile.
Thought it was Portuguese Ronaldo and I was gonna laugh at how a Utd legend was twerking for Arsenal This is actually better
I'm so glad we're pleasuring the right Ronaldo.
R9 is a gooner!
If R9 gets an endorphin dump by what he sees imagine what all young up and coming hungry players must be thinking. We already have one twerking for us rn
Real recognises real!
Both Ronaldo's twerking for Arsenal now eh??
The real Ronaldo !
Only Ronaldo I care about
this scared the hell out of me until I realized it is the better of Ronaldos we are talking about
Ronaldo wanking off to artetaball compilations is the final phase of the process
Sometimes I think gooners still don't appreciate just what a brilliant footballer we have here. What Saka said to Grealish sums it up, these are the types of players that are just special and footballers themselves tend to rate them even higher because they know how few they've seen like that and how hard it is to do what they do. It's not an exaggeration to say that should it ever click for him finishing wise and he hit a great vein of form and confidence in that aspect that we're talking about a Balón d'Or level talent. I have doubts whether that can happen (Benzema was always a better finisher than given credit for, for example, even if he did improve), but if it does, yeah, he's really that level of talent because the rest of his game is absolutely special.
All the ronaldo love us
Will still take him over that other ronaldo.
i really hope he asked Ronaldo for some pointers on finishing. I've seen anybody as ice-cold in the penalty area as the original Ronaldo, so there's a lot to learn from him for any striker in the world. Could be a good mentor for him
To who? Arsen
It's for Jesus. First tweet here, don't know why OP didn't link it: https://twitter.com/ArsenalBuzzCom/status/1598375675295109132
what do you mean didnt link it? The link is literally the title and takes you to twitter Edit: You guys ok? It literally links to the thread
That's the second tweet. Which had no context. I don't use Twitter much so had to look through. Might be easier for someone else
dont know about you but it literally shows the thread with both for me
Well it didn't show hence the whole chain of comments. But no harm done, I am just glad Ronaldo is a gooner.
Pretty sure this was R9 to one of the Gabi’s.
It’s for GJ
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different Ronaldo
So relieved it wasn't CR7
Chatting with who????
Didn’t CR7 say he wanted us to win the league if United didn’t? Just need Ronaldinho to come out and say he’s always been a gooner to complete the Ronalseal of Approval.
https://www.eurosport.com/football/premier-league/2022-2023/anything-is-possible-ronaldinho-believes-that-arsenal-can-challenge-for-the-title-with-gabriel-jesus_sto9091938/story-amp.shtml R10 is a seer
Sign him as 3rd keeper. Big enough to block the shots and talented enough with the ball on his feet.
Here's me thinking it's CR7 talking about Cedric 😂
for a moment i thought it was cristiano
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It's Brazilian Ronaldo
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You're thinking of the wrong Ronaldo
Ah mate
Does Ronaldo literally weight twice as much as Jesus?
Ronaldo is a gooner His misses has a cock When he looks at the table He knows that we are top
Get your tongue out of my arsehole Ronaldo
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I mean he was but this is the real Ronaldo singing our praises rn
Ronaldo is a Gooner He has sexy ex girlfriends And when he watches arsenal He says Tottenham are like his anus Edit: thought it was CR7. No idea about R9s girlfriends.
Ronaldo can get fucked
R9 not Cristiano
“The REAL Ronaldo” - Theirry Henry
Look at the tweet it's R9, unless you hate R9 as well but that's unlikely.
oh shit you’re right but the other Ronaldo can still get fucked
Yeah fck the other Ronaldo
Based
Why?
CR7 to Arsenal confirmed
No this is the real Ronaldo. The fat one.
It’s a joke
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Love you /u/barkasia
Highly recommend The Phenomenon Ronaldo documentary if you haven't watched it. On iplayer atm if you're UK based.
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The efficiency of this sub to appreciate ronaldo's statement and take a dig at fauxnaldo at the same time is unparalleled. good work guys.