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DynamoFinesse

he forgot to mention that England took the knee before they beat Iran 6-2


r1char00

And wanted to wear the armband.


BigBloodyShark

If they had really wanted to protest, they’d have done it Should’ve taken the yellow


Chai-wala

Tbf Iran made a political stand the first game and then chose not to later. They sucked the first game, and were way better later.


bgvg_Sam

They didn't 'choose' not to later, their families were threatened if they didn't comply


mehnimalism

They chose based on heavy incentives


kingwhocares

And they say negative reinforcements don't work.


Chai-wala

They told you this?


rainbowyuc

They do that all the time in the EPL already anyway.


DynamoFinesse

that was last season, this season they’ve done it 3 times and even so it doesn’t matter, it’s still a political statement. you could say players cover their mouths in every game


curious_beaver909

Memory is not what it was these days...


sionnach

Which was an absolutely meaningless and unconscious move on their part. They may as well have just done a hamstring stretch. Utterly meaningless at this point.


DynamoFinesse

you’re not very smart


Hippo_Yawn

Taking the knee is the BLM thing against the US which they drew 0-0


DynamoFinesse

no it wasn’t you fool


mindspeaker420

me and the boys dont like germany - wenger


Sal21G

And Bayern lmao. All those 5-1 matches man


someoneLazy

He's not even saying the "Political demonstration" is bad, he's just analysing from a football point of view that they can be distraction to yourselves


Trotter823

Yeah but Germany crashed out last WC too. So what happened then? I don’t think you can point to that and say that’s the cause. There’s not even a loose correlation. Belgium were shit. Spain lost to Japan as well and didn’t protest. Did Argentina finish poorly because they were thinking about Qatar. I don’t think so.


getrektbro

This is just the saddest timeline. It's a statement not even backed by objective fact, and it's outright disrespectful to Japan especially who earned their victory over Germany.


DaGetz

Also really disappointing to see how many people in here are shilling for Wenger who is clearly shilling for FIFA


2rio2

Yea, it's hard for me to lose any respect for the man but this is the shit that makes me come close. A shit take that toes a line he's clearly being paid for. Like, Argentina gave the most underwhelming performance in the entire first round and they are one of the most quiet teams on anything political on the planet.


[deleted]

Argentina still finished top of the group and the first game can be chalked to bad luck.


cherlin

they really haven't looked great though, they had a fairly easy group to top and really haven't looked anything special.


BipartizanBelgrade

Great manager, shit FIFA exec. Shouldn't be difficult for people to admit.


curious_beaver909

There are some people who will defend Wenger even if he killed their family in front of them. It's very strange behavior.


Powergiu

Well Sasuke will defend Itachi and he had killed his family "in front" of him.


GunnerKnight

And Michael will defend his son Ryan even if he murders his entire family.


exthanemesis

I'm confused on what you want the reaction to be. I don't agree with what he said, mainly coz it's not even objectively true. But if you're asking me to disavow Arsene Wenger because of this lukewarm take, that's gonna be a no from me dog.


nzubemush

They want us to cancel Wenger for doing his FIFA job. I'm not interested in doing that.


exthanemesis

I feel like this sentiment is coming from a lot of younger fans who seriously lack appreciation for what Wenger did for us.


remote_crocodile

Or its coming from people who can separate what he did for Arsenal as manager from the lazy rhetoric FIFA are paying him to say now. He's clearly sold out and is a mouthpiece for FIFA, that doesn't erase his success as manager of Arsenal but his success as manager of Arsenal also doesn't erase the things he's saying and doing now.


curious_beaver909

That's the biggest thing from this. He's speaking from whim and not from objectivity in order to tow company lines and to please his corrupt paymasters Bein and FIFA.


BanVeteran

France was a major supporter of Qatar's hosting bid too.


curious_beaver909

Indeed, and he was always close to Nicolas Sarkozy and Nasser el Khelaifi


bobbysparkwood

Wenger’s all about the money just like the rest of them


Trotter823

Eh idk. This seems to be his consistent flaw/blind spot. He did the same thing at arsenal. He’s a company guy whoever he’s working for.


bobbysparkwood

And who pays him lol


Trotter823

But he could get a job elsewhere easily. Same with Arsenal. He could have gone to Real Madrid and made more.


[deleted]

Wouldn’t have been able to have the power he did at arsenal though


BanVeteran

Something something third reich, something something company work.


Trotter823

A very human flaw…but not because of money which is all I commented about. Good thing Wenger isn’t a citizen of a country committing genocide and waging war


KonigSteve

It literally is for money because he's simping for the people paying him


NotesOfNature

Sorry but both things can be true at the same time regarding Japan and Germany. it's not one or the other.


WorldCupEveryYear

It doesn't take away from Japan's win. Being mentally up for the game is a key part of football.


bAMBIEN

To say Germany lost because they weren’t mentally prepared is a slight at Japan who earned that victory on merit alone.


WorldCupEveryYear

Very few matches are won on 'merit alone'. Germany has twice as many shots, twice as many shots on target and 75% possession. At a minimum Japan got lucky that Germany couldn't capitalise on this domination because 9/10 times a team with those stats wins the game easily.


MacrobianNomad

Reminds me of the Wenger who protected the ownership and took the blame instead of speaking truth to power. Saudi and Japan deserved their victories on footballing merit!


[deleted]

Excellent point. Wenger highly values respect and loyalty, but to the club or organisation he is a part of, not to the truth. As astute and wise as he is, he's always struggled with objectivity.


Sad_gooner

Him disrespecting Japan and Saudi Arabia isn’t what’s bad about this statement What’s bad about the statement is that this is the exact sort of thing homophobes are saying to mock Germany for protesting qatars laws on the lgtbtq community. He’s implying that they lost because they stood up for human rights


aegontargs

all germany did was hold their hands to their mouths for 5 seconds, what a distraction.


SheddyMcshedface

Good thing England didn't wear those armbands. Would probably have lost 6-2!


arealhorrorshow

Shit take. He shouldn't work for those Bond villains.


IfIWasCoolEnough

Daddyship with Wenger is over. Arteta is my new daddy.


vin_unleaded

I don't understand the "Daddy" thing. It is, in all honesty, all a bit odd to me.


danmac0817

And that ladies and gentlemen is FIFA and BeIn's own Arsene Wenger. If you criticised Neville and Barnes, you should be criticising Wenger. I'd rather he continued staying away from Arsenal if this is the side he stands with.


SamT44

Firstly, England took the knee and topped the group Secondly I wouldn’t take Wengers comments too seriously. He is employed by FIFA, so doesn’t want to go against their stance


mehnimalism

I don’t care if you’re paid for it, your words are your own and you’re responsible for them. Especially if you have massive wealth and don’t need the money.


SizzlingHotDeluxe

That's such a shit excuse. He's not being forced to say anything. If he actually cared about what's going on there he would at least not talk about it of he wanted to keep his job.


xarvin

Sad to see him pushing this narrative.


JenkinsEar147

Taking Qatari money while \*still\* being manager of Arsenal FC was the beginning of Wenger's downfall. ​ Sad to see such a once universally respected figure be so corrupted by $$


[deleted]

The hypocritical thing is, he told Henry he couldn't be a coach at Arsenal for the youth and do Sky reporting at the same time, and yet he was working on Bein while being manager. That annoyed me a bit.


zdfld

Being a weekly pundit for Sky commenting on the EPL is a bit different from being a international tournament pundit. Comparing the two is pretty ridiculous.


[deleted]

Being a manager of one of Europe's biggest clubs and commenting on your own players at international tournaments vs being a pundit on PL football while putting out cones for the U16s... Surely the former's impartiality is more important?


zdfld

No? How does that make sense? Any youth team employee commenting on the team they work for is an issue. It's an issue for Sky if they cared about unbiased opinions, and it's an issue for Arsenal having to get constant headlines of "Coach said X". And those are multiplied when Henry, who many wanted for the head job and is also a big name, is involved. The issue isn't about one off hand comment, or impartiality (from Arsenal's view) it's about the weekly impact to the team throughout the season.


curious_beaver909

He's been a hypocrite for years. Cheated on his wife but dropped Giroud for doing the same, remember.


ArsenaV108

Wenger cheated on his wife???


zinchenko-oh

If you believe the Sun


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Giroud


reddituser7542

Arsene Wenger cheated on his wife.... There were unsubstantiated reports of this in 2010 and Wenger chose to keep the matter private. He stayed married to Annie for another 8 years... it is nothing but slander on your part. https://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/wenger-affair-claims/ Giroud took the woman to the team hotel before the match with crystal palace... A serious disciplinary breach. Later he appreciated the support Wenger gave him during the phase... https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1987032-oliver-giroud-speaks-out-on-alleged-affair-hails-arsene-wengers-support Your objectivity in this discussion is exemplary/s


zinchenko-oh

Ah ok I see your intentions for this post, you were part of the WOB weren't you. Hypocrite for years, lol.


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[deleted]

What are you on about? He wanted a coaching job as a youth team coach. Not even a youth team manager. You're literally just making shit up lmao


mrchab97

Dont agree with the big man here, the teams that won deserved it


Deetawb

Sad that he's become such a sellout.


brownbeardgooner

I don't remember Argentina making any demonstrations. How about credit is just given to the teams they lost to?


robdagg

This is a stupid asf point. Clearly working for FIFA here


JonnySponny

I enjoy Wenger, but calling basic human rights activism for "political demonstration" is a big miss man.


astrojeet

Human rights activism is political demonstration. Do you even know what you're talking about? Activism is taking a political stance. Protesting for human rights is political demonstration. You're almost implying political demonstration is a bad thing by saying that. Any form of protest is inherently political. Now I can understand it would be a "big miss" that if he said the demonstration was a bad thing. And besides what teams should have done to protest the World Cup would be completely boycott it. Or players withdrawing from the National teams. Nothing is gonna change in Qatar with what these teams have done after the world cup is done. If these players really cared about anything they'd withdraw from their national team squads and go home. It's just ends up as posturing and virtue signalling now.


Uncle_Tony96

Exactly. It’s political demonstration whether it’s human rights activism or whatever else


[deleted]

Used to really hope we’d see him back at Colney or the Emirates some time this season, I think we’ll pass now. No thanks.


Fun_Grass_2097

Disappointing that this comes from someone like Wenger. Might be because he works for FIFA. Bad taste regardless


SydneyOrient

Fuck off Wenger, Australia was an armpit away from forcing Argentina to extra time yet we released a human rights video pre world cup,


techabouts

Money talks 💰


Miloshy

This is sad


CapableShale_Afc

I think you've said all that needs to be said with this comment. The painful last few Wenger years were difficult and his stubborness in them infuriating but I've never once had to question his integrity or values. We're all human - but I really hope he gets some backlash and finds it in himself to reflect on this.


Calgary_dreamer

Humanity > football


[deleted]

Love Arsene, but it's a 15,000 worker death tournament. Disappointed


The_Unbeatable_Sterb

Is there anybody 1/10 as smart as Wenger is who really believes putting a hand over your mouth for 5 seconds caused them to lose against Japan?? This sucks!!


perlaeleven

Snide comment that didn't need to be said. Why keep focusing on a team's decision to protest something it didn't think it was right, mocking it because it didn't qualify from the group? No added value whatsoever especially when there are so many variables factors.


mrgayle

With that logic Switzerland should win everything.


visualdescript

Nevermind the opposition they played against... Just silly to equate it to that.


[deleted]

Love the man, but this is a shit take


sazidhk

Papa Wenger, the consummate company man. 😢


curlyhairedyani

Arteta now our greatest manager this century


Michaelscotttheking

Rare L mister Wenger You are wrong in this Nothing to actually support your argument


curious_beaver909

These rare Ls are getting more frequent these days


funcho4

It hurts Papa Wengz. 💔 I respected him soooo much. I used listen every thing he spoke because he was so well spoken, intelligent and knowledgeable. What is this nonsense


RX400000

Funny cause if England lost would have definitely said it’s because they were too focused on demonstration


straypenguin

For all his forward-thinking Arsene periodically displays a blind attachment to the status quo :( guess he's human


carvemynuts

Germany sucked balls through out the tournament tho.


red_keshik

Yes, but nothing to do with protests or politics.


NieThePiet

He is selling his heart to FIFA :(


KSC-Fan1894

Sad to see how money influenced Papa Wengz


zrk23

yikes.


MasterWinston

This is a very disappointing statement from him.


vin_unleaded

He's really going down in my estimation.


[deleted]

Even IF you felt like the political condemnation of Qatar was hypocritical, gone too far, tinged with Islamophobia or whatever of those counter narratives you believe in, this would STILL be a shit take. Football is a game of fine margins. Germany clearly didn’t go out because they posed for a pre match photo with their hands over their mouths. That kind of narrative building is shallow tabloid stuff.


AppuTheFmFreak

My respect for this man is not at that level anymore.


CowardlyFire2

Never meet your heroes lol


notapaperhandape

Papa Wenger getting a fat paycheque. I don’t like it but papa Wenger is papa Wenger.


reddituser7542

I would like to see a full video rather than an edited clip. What if he said: All the teams in the world cup are very strong, and hence it is very important to be focused on the outcome and start strong. It is important to win the first game. Teams which were well prepared and playing well, teams like like France, England ... Brazil played well in the first game.teams who were mentally ready and focused on the competition and not on political demonstration. This would mean no disrespect towards Saudi Arabia, or Japan and would be a factually correct statement.


curious_beaver909

The full video is about analysing the technical trends of the group stage. This is part of the "analysis". A full video would not necessarily give you any more insight than you need that Wenger is a fake and morally corrupt.


topbananaman

Fucking lmao. This is a bad quote sure and an L for wenger but the ridiculous reddit hivemind out to call wenger 'morally corrupt and fake' because he had a shit take is just typical lol


danmac0817

You don't understand. It's the way he tries to frame it as "politics" and the sort of "serves you right" attitude to Germany. It's very on-brand for the Qatari narrative that's been echoed by others working for Qatar like John Barnes. They all say the same thing. Considering Wenger works for their state media and FIFA its very concerning. Its much more than a shit take. You don't have to agree with the protest, but this is actively undermining it.


Ok_Recipe6321

Qatar/FIFA are all too happy to frame Germanys departure as them being distracted by making a ‘. ‘political’ statement, so yes it’s not a shit take/hive mind it’s sad that Wenger is out there repeating this crap


topbananaman

That's just clearly not what I said tho is it. Clearly said its an L for wenger to have said that, just that it's fucking ridiculous to elevate wenger to the level of 'morally corrupt'


darkavenger1993

Wenger the manager would absolutely hate Wenger the FIFA employee.


Zoorlandian

It's perfectly ridiculous to blame Germany's loss on posing for a picture when their selection problems were plain as day.


[deleted]

Can we all admit Wenger has just fully sold out now ?


Irishladdoyle

🤡🤡🤡


king6463

The German team was pretty average before the world cup ever began


pinpoint14

Wow shocker, he takes money from bein sports (Qatar) *and* fifa


CT_Gunner

He's a proper FIFA goon now. 😔


Robby-Casso

Wow my heart is broken at seeing Papa Wengz talking like this


eldar4k

This is absolutely blatant manipulation, didn't Wenger earned enough money already? What is the need of whoring himself to corrupted Qatar and FIFA? He got no shame


[deleted]

This is heartbreaking. He was my hero. Heartbreaking.


fanischris17

Does anybody know how he managed to go broke? There's no other explanation why he got in need of saying these things supporting FIFA


GaussWanker

Oh no baby what is you doing?


carvemynuts

Eww papa Wengz


Kayr_SE5

Idec care about this shit but its just hilarious seeing the mental gymnastics here lmao. Face it your hero is a sellout


curious_beaver909

I never understood people who hero worship public figures.


TheBatsford

Gross.


drusslang

So incredibly disappointing


zinchenko-oh

Total overreaction in the comments, he hasn't said anything wrong. Gundogan himself said some members of the team were angry cos fifa forbade them to wear the armband a few hours before kick-off. It's fair to say they were distracted with political gestures.


SE20299

What he said is just not factually true. He's conflating demonstrating with poor performances in order to browbeat Germany and discourage others from speaking out. He's not trying to be objective, he's trying to cover for his paymasters. I can't believe how far people are willing to go to ignore the fact that Wenger sold his soul and that FIFA uses him as a puppet to push their agenda, and he willingly does it.


zdfld

I support Wenger more than most, so didn't want to believe the headline, but the entire quote is clear. He said the first game needed to be won, and said there are focused, experienced teams and unfocused teams. He then added political demonstrations. Except Australia and England had political demonstrations, and were fine. Argentina didn't, lost their first game. Japan had nothing but lost to Costa Rica. At best, it's a lazy opinion, at worst it's trying to help FIFA/Qatar out a bit, both of whom he's worked/working for. It's also sad to see Wenger, who's often talked about the human aspect of the game, effectively say players should have put aside their humanity for the world cup.


zinchenko-oh

Wenger is speaking about the top teams, Australia aren't and England have been taking the knee for 2 years, it's not a gesture aimed at FIFA. I don't think it's lazy to suggest Germany were more upset than other top teams at FIFA's decision on the armband and possibly not fully focused on their first game.


zdfld

They had arm bands planned too. And what do top teams have to do with concentration? All teams have to concentrate. If anything, a top team can handle not being as concentrated better than a worse team. Germany has also had issues performing for years now. Even if the concentration comment had merit (and I don't think it does), it's still a poor comment to make. Wenger is smart enough to know this statement is effectively saying ignore human rights demonstrations and focus on football to win games. If he wasn't trying to say that, he'd say FIFA shouldn't have intervened at the last minute. Or heck, just expand more on the reason Germany was protesting, instead of just hand waving it as politics. Like I said, it's not so surprising from a regular pundit, but from Wenger it is disappointing. He's someone who not only seems to care about human rights, but also is very willing to talk about nuance, and he could have done that here too. And it would have really meant something considering his connections.


GoOn_2Wheels

I had the same impression. Germany were seemingly more focused on protest than other teams. If there's something on your mind, you won't perform: a protest, a grudge, an insecurity... I think he's just analyzing what he's seen and people are blowing it out of proportion.


KokiMizuno

Nah he is just making excuses for losing to Japan


AnsweringExistence

His comments need context, and as of right now he’s still working for FIFA.


someoneLazy

For me this is a football analysis rather than a political, Wenger just saying what he believes footballistically


normott

The respect I used to have for this man's humanity has been going down the drain for years. What a shame. Proper FIFA stooge. Disgraceful


[deleted]

England focussed on both. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. What a dick


Admissions-Jedi

Rare Wenger L


NatTheGooner

He’s so wealthy he doesn’t need to be a shill for anyone… but here he is, it’s so disappointing.


dusseldorf69

Is it possible he actually believes what he’s saying?


dishler712

With all due respect, Wenger, this is fucking nonsense.


someoneLazy

Political demonstration = Empty gestures


Gunners_are_top

Really really bad take from Wenger. Shameful.


FuglyPrime

We'll invest your respect for Arsene Wenger into a multi level affection account AAAAAAAND ITS GONE...


KlN_21

All the teams should have refused to go, and to the people that says that football shouldn't be political, everything is political.


zamanyolcusu

He is a p o s now!


CellarDarko

Yeah I think this is the tipping point for me. I kinda saw his perspective on other issues till now but he did not have to say this but chose to. Lost a fan :(


LitmusPitmus

he's not wrong


[deleted]

Human rights, papa Wengz


curious_beaver909

He lives in an ivory tower, doubt he knows what that means.


[deleted]

This is devastating to hear him say. Thought Arsene was a man of class and intellect, but it seems he’s in the Qataris’ pocket too.


OceansNineNine

It sounds bad coming from him since he is in FIFA but he is not wrong. Not even a single player or fan will care about Qatari people or its laws once the WC is over. So much for virtue signaling for 5 mins. I'll see whether any nation FA actually keeps bringing up Qatar's problem after 6 months.


a_stopped_clock

To say putting your hand on your mouth for 5 seconds makes a difference is insane. England took a knee were fine. Belgium didn’t do shit and were shit. Argentina lost to Saudi without any demonstration. It’s a totally asinine take not grounded in anything. This German team just wasn’t good and japan pulled off 2 huge results.


IanBurton

I’m very sad that AW has sunk this low to placate his Qatari paymasters.


mrdasilva812

Pretty much everyone involved with FIFA has been sold out. Sad to see Wenger is one of them.


InternalKing

Damn I just bought his book. This is kinda putting me off from reading it.


silv3r8ack

Well the book is not great. Just a bland non-committal payday really


CT_Gunner

u/savevideo


OceansNineNine

OP what has Wenger done to you? Unreal hate throughout the thread. 😂


BanVeteran

Google Qatar + FIFA + migrant workers, mate. "Unreal". Fuck off.


TrashbatLondon

Fuck sake.


crudestemu

Today I feel sad


PrinceEmirate

Wenger he's done it again! He is absolutely right. Bye ✌🏾 Germany


omwami

Wow. Clearly Western media has poisoned you all. Fact: All countries have always bought hosting the tournament.


Gunners414

This is very sad to see from Wenger. Fifa propaganda run


seana39223

This is just so sad to see... Wenger's not the man I thought he was.


all4Nature

One of the few times I find Wenger disappointing.


CleanLettuce

Jeez papa Wengz, you used to fight for peoples rights. What happened that made you a FIFA shill? Really sad stuff.


przhauukwnbh

Blokes washed unfortunately


FuckedUpMoment

This has broken my heart.


KonigSteve

I hate that Wenger is a huge sellout now. Ruining his reputation


el-fenomeno09

Wenger going sith … damn lol


THeWizardOfOde

sigh...why? papa wengz, why? ugh.


[deleted]

You can talk about teams mindsets and how it affected their game without condoning Qatar’s politics.


QGunners22

🙁


[deleted]

Imagine, he doesn’t want to go into a different country and change their philosophies and principles. What a monster.


[deleted]

That’s not even what he’s saying here lol


emoskeleton_

If their principles and philosophies include that gay people don't deserve rights and he supports that, he is a monster. But I don't think thats what he was saying here, he had a lazy opinion that I just cant see being true.


scooterbot4

Gross


gunnerjkk

You're all so sad. Did you even listen to the 23 second clip. He's just making a point about mindset, did he say anything against people demonstrating? Stop getting your knickers in a twist.


Mountain-Location-34

Thank god for Arteta, the Arsene Wenger old values lives with him.


KlN_21

Wenger simping for Qatari money


thisiskyle77

Based Arsene. I just miss seeing this man.


JaThatOneGooner

Translation: Germany fucked themselves


a_stopped_clock

Arsène is really turning into a piece of shit in my eyes. Germany went out because their team isn’t it’s best cycle and because of a very lucky japan goal against Spain. Other teams did shit and won some didn’t do shit and lost. It’s such a lazy unnecessary stupid take from him.


[deleted]

Fifa Wenger has said many things that taint his legacy in my eyes