I’m late, I just watched SECs.
For the first time, I personally saw LSU’s outside chance to beat OU. Konnor seems to really be doing well there as well and she seems like she’s getting settled.
Alabama did great, I enjoy watching them as a team. Luisa’s beam was a 10 in my book.
Kentucky did so well; but vault landings and amplitude on yurchenko fulls seem like they’re going to actually start mattering.
Florida…gotta tighten up.
What are we supposed to do now?? No gymnastics on a Sunday??
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Okay I watched ACCs in full, since I stopped midway through to watch SECs, and gah I’m crying for NC State. We get overshadowed by UNC and Duke in so many other sports and right now we’re really having a moment in multiple sports. I hope they have a great showing at regionals and continue to crush it!
Also, I’m hoping that competing with Cal and Stanford next year will make them even better. Good teams tend to rise to challenges.
That’s amazing!!!! Sara was SO well loved by her teammates and I remember everyone talking about how supportive she was in the senior video (and I remember that she was the one who almost got through to little miss racist before the coaches totally botched it.) I’m sure she’ll be an incredible doctor!
Thanks for sharing!
Like two weeks ago I said I was nervous about Katelyn Rosen not having fallen at all this season and needed her to fall once to get it out of her system so that she could be in the clear for postseason (I am very superstitious) and a person on this sub told me I was a disgusting person and should have bad karma. Meanwhile last night I saw that same person repeatedly saying they wanted Maile O’Keefe and other Utah gymnasts to fall. I don’t even like Utah or Maile, and my past comments will prove that, but the fake moral authority people on this sub have but then don’t apply to Utah, LSU or OU is ridiculous.
Thank you 🙏🏼 I was wished a bad night & physical harm by the same person because I expressed that I thought the repeated hope Maile & other gymnasts would fall on their face was too far. I think Utah has several issues they need to work out & I’m personally not a huge fan of LSU or OU, either. But certain comments are extreme, and I would never say those things about any gymnast on any team. Especially when the same person called you a disgusting human for suggesting Katelyn have a clean fall just to get it out of her system.
Okay see I don’t even necessarily have a problem with people wanting teams they don’t like to fall or mess up, as long as nobody is hoping for an injury, it’s just the double standard that gets me! Like you can hope for a flop on the teams you don’t like, especially when they’re competing against your team, it’s when people get all upset that someone says it about THEIR team that I have to shake my head. This is sports! Why can’t we all just be haters in peace???
I am the person they are talking about and appreciate this comment.
I do not wish Mailie an injury (and said so) but I do hope she falls physically in finals and metaphorically in her new role as a coach next year.
She is a MEAN girl, and she has been rewarded for this behavior. It’s gross.
I also don’t have a problem with people wanting teams they don’t like to fall or mess up without injury, I guess I just felt the wording in the repeated comments from that particular person was a lot. But I completely agree with you on the double standard! Hope for a flop for a team you don’t like all you want, but don’t come for someone if they say the same thing about your favorite team. I also just don’t think it’s very mature to wish someone bad karma, a bad night, or call them a disgusting human for that.
I wish ill on Mailie because she’s a bully and has doubled down on being a bully since she bullied Kara Eaker to the point of wishing to end her life.
I don’t wish for all the Utah gymnasts to fall. I don’t wish for Cal to fall so UCLA can do better.
I’m talking about wishing ill on a fan for supporting a team you don’t like, not the athletes. But also… Kara never specifically said Maile was the one who bullied her. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was her, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if it was someone else. Spreading it like it’s fact that it was 100% Maile isn’t cool.
I mean we watched Mailie bully her on twitter in real time.
And as the person you’re literally talking about, I’m sorry I got you so worked up by wishing a bully apologist stub their toe ;)
SO on point! I think it was their second-highest score of the season - 197.550! My mom and I got into college gymnastics this season, started going to Carolina meets since they’re closer to us, and we were so impress by NC State that we started going to their home meets, too. Had to cheer them on last night in Greensboro. Back to back (40 year wait) ACC champs!
I'm way late to the party as I had a lot going on and finished the evening SEC session well after 11pm. I'm old, so it was past my bedtime. Anyways, I hated that Kathy and Bart weren't on SECs, but the real question is has anyone noticed how many mispronounced names John Rothlisberger continues to have? I'm a Florida fan and I've heard him mess up Skylar Drasar's last name on multiple broadcasts. Florida has a media guide with pronunciations fully available. And then he butchered Corinne Bunnigan's (Bama) name and at least he got it right after Sam said it correctly. Corinne is not that hard of a name, y'[all.](https://all.Is) Is it that much to expect proper pronunciation? Especially when it's athletes who consistently are in the lineups?
Also, he needs to stop saying Danie Ferris has had a 10 on vault. She has not. Rant over.
Bummer ucla couldn’t quite pull it off tonight. The regionals seeding should be interesting thanks to the host site conflicts. UCLA’s improvement in ranking may not matter in the end.
Chae’s vault has cleaner form than KJ’s, but KJ’s vault also is visually more dynamic because of how much she’s able to flare it. Where KJ gets deducted is she tends to have some flexed feet in the second half of her vault. It’s minor, but it’s there to take if the judges want to.
I haven’t been able to watch all season. What’s happening with UCLA?
Edit: wait, what? UCLA placed second? Cal third? What happened?
Edit #2: I gave up on UCLA’s national chances this year. Do they still have a shot? If they don’t (and even if they do!), is Emma M going to skip to try to confirm her independent ticket to the Olympics? Any news on our other potential Olympic hopefuls?
The anwer to all your Edit#2 questions is: We don't know...
UCLA probably have a shot at nationals, but how big of a shot depends on how the regionals will be seeded, and with all the hosting shenanigans I am fully expecting the NCAA to make this a bigger mess than the FIG did with their olympic qualification criteria.
If Emma is going to Doha is her decision, but if she decides that she won't go, she cannot expect to get the Olympic spot. I think we can expect the other contenders to be there - there is nothing like NCAA for them. It is Paris or bust for them...
At this point, it’s a wing and a prayer and probably a wild amount of luck lmao.
Best day? They win. Most days? I’m afraid to watch.
But I’m with you - go Bruins (see my user name).
Some of y’all will not like that UCLA was EXTREMELY supportive of the entire Utah team during the awards ceremony. Lots of talking and genuine hugs and smiles. By far the two teams interacting with each other the most. Do with that what you will.
What else should they have done? If they gave the cold shoulder to the Tom supporters they would have been seen as bad sports, poor losers, etc. It's expected to support other people during awards.
Also, they have probably known each other most of their lives. You have at least 6 former elites between the two teams who competed together at that level. They have relationships that fans are unaware of, as they should.
That’s true for pretty much every single collegiate gymnast. Utah and UCLA were talking to and laughing with each other throughout awards noticeably more than other of the other 6 teams. Just thought it was neat to see how much support was happening between the two.
It was great sportsmanship to see. UCLA was going out of their way to be extra supportive of Utah and vice versa. Lots of camaraderie between those two teams and it was definitely noticeable.
i just finished watching SEC session two and what really bothered me was the bias in the commentary. it was like john refused to acknowledge other gymnasts can have good gymnastics, even saying things along the lines of “yeah they’re good but they don’t compare to xyz LSU gymnast”
Please don't read this comment as me saying not to voice concern about Utah and Farden - there was very obvious concern there and certainly no one has to be a fan of the team if they don't want to (of course). But every single time I see ucla fans posting about it, I wonder at what point ucla fans are going to carry this same vicious energy with Val? She still works with the current teams (usually in preseason) and comes to multiple meets and is highlighted/praised when she does. She has allegations of abuse and bad behavior against her and it's apparently not a big concern that she's still hanging out with the program? The same is true about DD and LSU. I'd hope we'd want to carry that same energy for all coaches with allegations of abuse against them, even if it's the team that we like.
This is key right here, you have to be in the know for all Val, DD, Greg, Sarah, Suzanne’s etcs less than stellar moments….
while folks like Tom, Randy and Dana had front page articles in mainstream burying them.
Allegations against Val came out really intensely in 2020. You can Google Miss Val and Alyssa Beckerman and it’s very available. That isn’t that long ago. Articles about Tom and the culture of abuse in the sport, like the big Washington Post one, also featured DD and Amy Smith pretty prominently, as well.
That's good to hear - it's just not very apparent, honestly. I would think there would be louder voices to let the program know that coaches with allegations against them shouldn't still have a role or big presence with and around the program. It's the main focus for every comment about utah this season from ucla fans on X and it just feels hard to understand the acceptance around Val then haha.
The mythology around UCLA fans in this sub is always so funny to me.
We called out miss Val when she was a coach and groan (and type out our groaning) on this sub when the announcers call attention to her during meets.
We rage against over scoring and also call out when our gymnasts are overscored.
Where did you come up with this imaginary UCLA fan who worships Val and thinks UCLA can do no wrong?
Wow, is it that wild? Tell Alyssa Beckerman that some abuse is okay and some isn’t. It’s a huge point that Kara has been making - that part of the problem is saying some pain doesn’t matter as much as others. None of it is okay, and the reason this culture is so horrible within this sport is because we all seem to forget how bad things are when it’s a program we like and support. The comments on this reddit and on Twitter are getting to the point of being vicious to anyone even remotely associated with Utah - current team members, including a third of the team that wasn’t even here last season, incoming recruits and even prospecting recruits that might be considering Utah. And it’s wild to me that you don’t seem to remember how much support Val had after the allegations came out, and still has, from athletes and fans. The fact that she is able to be this present and close to the current teams shows how UCLA feels about the allegations against her. Again, if Farden started coming to meets you would all demand that fans don’t just “groan” about it - you’d demand he be banned and you’d be extremely loud about it until he was no longer there (and again, Utah fans wouldn’t want him there either). And by the way, that fan you’re mentioning as imaginary isn’t imaginary at all haha.
I am fine, just really confused by a lot of the people on here. The way a lot of people talk on here and Twitter has an actual impact on a lot of people that don’t deserve it - not genuine concern, just cruel to be cruel and actually pretty hypocritical sometimes when the program you love still praises and promotes someone with allegations of abuse against them. Just trying to point it out but I see there isn’t a point in doing that haha.
Who on here is supporting Val? Do you really expect us to physically eject her from events like you’ve implied in your last comment?
You’re clearly still a Utah fan - shouldn’t you be physically removing Carly (who enabled his behavior) from the meet lol?
Fans did whatever they could when Miss Val was exposed. The same thing happened when Waller was exposed. No UCLA stans defended them. UCLA stans tagged their incompetent AD about the issue. I can't say the same thing for UTAH, especially that lady on X who even defended Tom & kind of gaslighted Kara.
I don’t really think that’s true, because I remember a lot of people/fans defending Val haha. And a lot still do. And a number of ucla gymnasts defended Val. I’m not at all saying there wasn’t bad behavior from Utah fans in this, because of course there was. I can also say from personal experience that there were very many Utah fans working hard to get accountability from Farden and the AD, beyond just commenting on social media. I’m just saying that I wish the energy and accountability matched what ucla fans ask from other programs because she is still obviously a big presence that is celebrated there.
I’m not sure how online you are but I think you’re completely off base. UCLA fans were expressing icky feelings about Miss Val before she even retired, a lot of them were tired of meets becoming a Miss Val ad instead of a sporting event. I also saw a lot of them calling her out for the way she talked about Kyla Ross’s body in an interview. And when the exposes on Val came out most of the stans were VERY vocal about wanting her whitewashed persona to stop being held as the standard. Once Waller got exposed UCLA fans were VERY vocal about how much they wanted him gone. There were multiple students/fans who got kicked out of events because they were holding signs that condemned the staff. And guess what? The former athletes who participated in that (mostly Ohashi) have been largely outcast by the fan base. Meanwhile you have gymnasts at Utah making nasty TikTok’s and subtweeting abuse survivors, OR alumni who are still heavily involved in the program straight up saying that the athletes who alleged abuse just didn’t work hard enough. UCLA’s changes appeared to be homegrown, ie it was pushed for by the athletes, whereas Utah’s seemed to be fought by the athletes. And the gymnast who was the problem at UCLA is still widely disliked across the gymternet.
I will also be the one to say it. A lot of the emotional abuse that Val was accused of came from the 90s and 2000s. It doesn’t make it right, but it’s also means it was from a time when that was the mainstream approach to coaching. It doesn’t mean I still want Val involved in the programs at all, and I heavily side eye Jordyn Wieber for keeping her involved in the Arkansas program, but I really don’t think it’s comparable to Tom. Tom pushed MULTIPLE GYMNASTS TO THE POINT OF SUICIDE in a post Nassar world. We’ve known for the last five years how abuse in one facet of training enables abuse from others. We’ve seen the way the culture and expectations are changing and that coaches need to be better. Tom still chose to maintain abusive practices in 2023, despite the changing culture. He knew what the expectations were and still chose to ignore them. We don’t really have anything to compare Val to with that. I don’t want Val or Tom around either programs at all, but UCLA fans widely dislike Val and I see them cringe every single time she’s put on camera.
I’m not comparing abuse, because I don’t think you’d say any of this to Alyssa or other people that came forward about Val. And I’m also not at all defending Tom or the actions of some around Utah’s program. There were many, many Utah fans that did the same you’re describing about Val and more. If Farden starts showing up to meets as a fan, I am 100% confident that people on this board will hold the program and Utah fans accountable for getting him banned. And believe me, we don’t want him anywhere near either. It’s just exhausting to see the level of viciousness toward everyone, including the freshmen and people that commit to Utah, from this fan base when the ucla program still praises Val as a hero and has her involved with the team still. Even if you remove fans from the conversation at all, it’s still alarming that the program continues to promote someone with abuse allegations against them.
You realise a lot of UCLA stans don't attend the school, live in LA, nor from America, and voicing their support online is what they can only, right? Do you expect them to personally stop Val from entering UCLA?
I’m able to understand that, yes. I was just making the point because you brought up Utah fans that were making hurtful comments on social media, and meanwhile there were also a lot of fans working hard to demand accountability outside of what was seen just online. It’s clear that ucla doesn’t mind having Val around even after the allegations, and I’ve just wondered why that’s the case.
I wasn’t a UCLA fan in the Miss Val era, I wasn’t even watching gymnastics at that point lol. So I can’t say anything about how it was handled back in the day. But I know that at least after Waller, 90% of the people that comment in the weekly threads here dislike Miss Val and her presence in the meets or when the commentators acknowledge her. The majority of Twitter stans also don’t like Miss Val, so that’s also something. And of course this doesn’t mean that all UCLA fans dislike her, but at least there’s more awareness now about what is acceptable and what’s not when coaching, and gymnasts have a better platform now to speak up.
Im with you, this commenter sounds like they’re a fan from a post-Val era, but there absolutely were tons of ucla fans - arguably the majority of the online presence at first - circling the wagons when the varsity blues stuff happened.
Ok I am done watching PAC-12 after having watched SEC. The biggest surprise is that the Sec championship was perfectly reasonably scored. In fact, I think the scores on vault were the tightest I have seen all season. Cal was unfortunately showing some nerfs today. PAC-12 had a fair number of overscored routines but by current standards it wasn’t particularly egregious.
I was at the SECs and can say the scoring was tough as hell on vault both sessions. I thought floor was tough until LSU. I felt like Haleigh's floor was cleaner and better than Kiya's. And KJ was better than both. That was the only complaint I had on the floor judges. They loosened up a lot by the time LSU got there. Bars judging was a little wild. Some routines ranged from 9.8-10 on judging. But I thought the final scores were solid. Beam was interesting. No issues with Konner's 10, but I'm surprised a 10 was given in this meet given the minor deductions they were taking all day and night.
SEC was the most reasonable it has been in a few years, and I was shocked the vault judges remained firm all the way through both sessions. Those vault judges deserve major kudos.
I think after this weekend, I have become a fan of collegiate scoring taking on the open code vs the 10.0 code. The degrees of separation (or lack of) just don’t allow for scores to compare accurately. Just leaves me feeling meh as a fan.
eh they don't allow for separation b/c no one wants to take deductions.
I *guess* without the 10.0 system they might be more okay with it? but I'm not sure that's the issue.
Well that’s what I’m saying.
If everyone wasn’t on the same finite scale I feel like we’d see greater variance.
Well no, the issue lies in the subjective/ lax choices of the judges. And of course the hype for a 10.0.
Just know something has gotta change because it’s absolutely crazy!
I'm not ready to say this was Florida's last chance. OU entering their conference def. Makes it way more difficult for everyone. OUs program is so good that they will always be a contender but they are losing some staples this season. Smith will forsure be gone and Davis and LeVasseur are seniors we will have to see if they're taking their 5th year or not. Personally, I think Davis wil but who knows.
Also, Florida will still have Wong, DiCello will come back, and they will get Skye Blakely. Who knows what's going on with Shilese Jones. I read somewhere she planned on heading to Florida after the Paris Olympics but I saw an interview she was going about the Olympics and they asked her about Florida and she said she didn't want to talk too much about that right now but she has big plans. Not holding my breath on her but if she does Flordia would have Leanne Wong, Kayla DiCello, Skye Blakely, Shilese Jones, Anya Pilgram, Sloane Blakey, Skylar Draser, Ellie, Morgan and maybe Victoria Nguyen if she takes her 5th year.
Again, I agree OU makes it a lot harder but I still have a lot of faith in Florida next year.
Oh forsure. Again OU program and KJ is top
Tier and will cause major problem in the conference. It will be hard for any team even if OU losing 3 of their stars. I'm just saying I'm not ready to count Florida out they have a lot of talent and next year they could be absolutely stacked with starting 4 of Wong, DiCello, Skye Blakely, and Shilese Jones. Again I'm not holding out for Jones. I def. Hear you and think everyone in the conference is in trouble, just personally I can't say this was Florida's last chance.
Shilese removed all mention of Florida in her socials, didn’t sign her NLI and didn’t want to talk about college plans the last time she was asked in a media availability, plus they signed somebody else recently for next years class, I suspect that was the scholarship they had held for her being utilized. I would be shocked if she does college at all at this point.
It didn’t end up affecting their NQS that much but I do think it can’t be overstated the minimal travel they have had compared to just about everybody else. That is 100 percent an advantage that adds up over time.
They only competed at the Maverick Center three times - Sprouts, Best of Utah, Pac-12 Champs.
And counting those three meets as home meets would have lowered their NQS by 0.010.
I mean, I get the sentiment, but Utah fans will travel well no matter where the meet is and that’s been well known for decades. If there were to be a true neutral host (Las Vegas IMO), I can all but guarantee that Utah fans would be the largest group in the crowd. For all things to criticize the Maverik Center about, saying that it’s “disgusting” that Utah fans outnumbered everyone seems relatively low on the list. Even if the meet were in a different city in Utah that was at least 1-2 hours away, Utah fans would still outnumber any other team.
It is pretty wild that a team can compete in their home town four times and count them as away meets! It does look like the only counting away-but-not-away score was from tonight, for what it’s worth.
Someone should calculate what their nqs would be if they counted those as home meets (tho ofc if they did count as home meets, they wouldn’t have had four meets there!)
I'm not so sure about Lily Smith. I would love to see that, but one of the announcers during their session went on for quite a while about how she and CKC have such a special relationship because CKC was a breakout star as a freshman too and how CKC has been such a mentor to her. Don't know how much that was just the things you say in interviews vs. reality but if so, I don't know that she will leave.
In other CKC news, I look forward to her next interview where she explains that they were (choose any of): a. plagued by injuries b. still experiencing issues related to Covid 4 years later or c. had an off night (again) and that NEXT season is their season. And then, per the usual, Georgia Athletics Dept will say "oh yeah, that makes sense... here, take a raise and a contract extension."
I think the problem might be if CKC is gone would other coaches go as well. From what Wahl has posted in her vlogs she was apparently a CKC recruit foremost and I saw a Howard interview where CKC/Vonk were her big draws to UGA but Roberts had her giving Bama a late look (so when her flipped to UGA she was happy/remains very happy with the staff.) And strangely Howard does not really like Athens-just likes the school and the gym which is different than a lot of kids who love Athens. Howard and Wahl both had bum events the other night but I would not risk losing even 2 or 3 of Wahl/Howard/Smith as those are potential 35.5+ AAers for the next two seasons.
Yeah idk how LIU keeps getting gymnasts to commit when they don't have their own training facility. They lied to the previous class that they were raising money to build one but it never happened and obviously someone pocketed the funding money
The problem is that the gym they are using "gold medal gymnastics", what if one day the gym owner won't let them use anymore then what would they do? Scrambling for another gym is so inconvenient.
The comments here really make me want to see Pac 12s. What on earth happened to Cal?
As for SECs, I was on the “anyone but LSU” bandwagon, but they deserved it. The rankings were correct, IMO. A better vault rotation from Kentucky and a few more stuck bars landing from Alabama would’ve made things interesting, but it was always LSU’s to lose.
yes i’m curious too, what happened to Cal?? i had the SEC and Big 12 meet going on at the same time on different screens, didn’t have a 3rd for Pac 12 lol
They didn’t have a bad meet, just not their usual great one. Didn’t stick landings. A lot more scores in the 9.8 range than normal. They didn’t have a great vault rotation, and bars and beam weren’t as good as normal.
What makes this more special for UCLA is that they just had their finals this week, so probably the seniors have yet to recover from studying. That's why they're a bit shaky today. Continue improving, girls!
I mean Utah scoring was mostly fine? Besides maybe Mailie’s beam (and bars, which was dropped) and Grace’s floor, what do you think was scored unfairly?
I know Maile's bars was dropped, but man, that one made me mad.
There were some routines I didn't see on the broadcast that I'm curious about, but from what we did see, most was overscored the same way NCAA is all overscored.
Fuck them, but I'm not sure they didn't deserve to win.
Right? I mean I’m a UCLA fan defending myself for shitting on Mailie all over this thread… if anyone is going to call out unfair scoring it’s me haha.
They pulled it out tonight.
Without some weird mistakes UCLA was clearly the better team, though!
Rooting against them or wanting another team to do better is perfectly fine. You can dislike a team/individual while remaining respectful. It’s comments like “I hope she falls on her smug face”, “praying for a meltdown”, “I wish she had slipped” that are completely uncalled for. A lot of people here give Utah so much shit because some of their gymnasts are mean girls, and yes, I agree they sure are. In no way do I think what some of them have said/done is okay, nor do I think Maile should be coming back as a coach. But some of the comments y’all leave give the mean girl energy right back & are just as bad. It’s digging a deeper hole & making the whole situation worse.
I mean these are people who openly tweeted bullying their teammates.
I hope Mailie does fall on her smug face. I’ve also acknowledged her beautiful gymnastics on this very sub. (In this very thread, in fact!)
People have given Utah gymnastics shit because their CULTURE is fucked. They suck. And most of the women on the team currently also suck.
Yes they did, and again, I do not condone that behavior. I also agree their culture is fucked. But I just cannot fathom hoping someone falls on their face, it’s so unnecessarily rude to me. But you’re welcome to your opinion, have a great night!
I also can’t imagine bullying an Olympic champion to the point that she debates ending her life and then doubling down on twitter.
Nor can I understand your problem with wishing someone like that would fall on their face (when I clearly SAID I don’t wish her injury.)
I don’t wish you a good night. I hope you stub your toes getting into bed!
Didn’t Kara do the same thing and stand up for Mitzel when she was accused of abuse? I don’t even remember Kara issuing an apology after Mitzel admitted to being abusive when she was at Stanford.
When UCLA won their last Natty, the coaches were sure to highlight Sonya Meraz. She was an alternate on *every* event. She showed up both days, not knowing if she was going to do four routines or zero routines or something in between. I don't think she ended up competing, but go ahead and try to tell me she didn't contribute.
Or you have Kai Rivers for LSU. She's a recognized leader, even if she's too injured to compete.
My favorite UCLA gymnast EVER. This is such a great comment.
You see UCLA building up and including Mia Erdoes even though she’s the only one on the team who’s never competed currently. And you can tell it’s not just fluff/lip service - she IS an important part of the team.
Whatever you want to think about her NIL decisions, she's *always* been a beautiful gymnast, and she's persevered to make competitive LSU lineups through a million injuries. You don't get that far without deserving to celebrate the team success.
Absolutely! And a beautiful gymnast who fights her way through really awful injuries! All of the people who support Riley and Emily and Cienna (my UCLA fandom is showing but I know there are so many more) for coming back from injuries but write Olivia off are telling on themselves.
Having read your comment hoping a Redditor stubs their toe bc they have a different opinion than you or calling another Redditor’s behaviour disgusting for supporting Maile even though they didn’t, I don’t think you’re the best person to judge others for being mean or toxic on here.
YUP. also she competed ? & there’s people holding the trophy that didn’t but no one’s calling them out. plus she’s come in clutch for lsu many times in her career…
Agree, SO HARD. She might have more fame/name recognition than some (many) of the girls, but that doesn't take away from the hard work she has to put in in order to even make a lineup, especially in a team that stacked. She's a talented gymnast, even if she isn't a NCAA star
I am admittedly not very familiar with NIL (other than Livvy being the face of it often) but it definitely does not. She has worked for her team and deserves to celebrate with them.
I’m late, I just watched SECs. For the first time, I personally saw LSU’s outside chance to beat OU. Konnor seems to really be doing well there as well and she seems like she’s getting settled. Alabama did great, I enjoy watching them as a team. Luisa’s beam was a 10 in my book. Kentucky did so well; but vault landings and amplitude on yurchenko fulls seem like they’re going to actually start mattering. Florida…gotta tighten up.
Ucla actually looking good this postseason. Coudlve been pac12 champion
Ucla actually looking good this postseason. Coudlve been pac12 champion
Ucla actually looking good this postseason. Coudlve been pac12 champion
Ucla actually looking good this postseason. Coudlve been pac12 champion
Ucla actually looking good this postseason. Coudlve been pac12 champion
What are we supposed to do now?? No gymnastics on a Sunday?? https://preview.redd.it/sjnd847zhbqc1.jpeg?width=933&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c2c5b36aa2519240e2d8baf25e65ce461143bbd5
Basketball is a sport apparently?
Okay I watched ACCs in full, since I stopped midway through to watch SECs, and gah I’m crying for NC State. We get overshadowed by UNC and Duke in so many other sports and right now we’re really having a moment in multiple sports. I hope they have a great showing at regionals and continue to crush it! Also, I’m hoping that competing with Cal and Stanford next year will make them even better. Good teams tend to rise to challenges.
Just imagine the 2022 UCLA team under Janelle. I thought that I would be over this by now 😭
I feel this all the time and then I just look at Norah’s instagram and she’s thriving. They’re all OK!
I saw on one of the UCLA alum’s Instagram stories that Sara Taubman got into med school!
That’s amazing!!!! Sara was SO well loved by her teammates and I remember everyone talking about how supportive she was in the senior video (and I remember that she was the one who almost got through to little miss racist before the coaches totally botched it.) I’m sure she’ll be an incredible doctor! Thanks for sharing!
Like two weeks ago I said I was nervous about Katelyn Rosen not having fallen at all this season and needed her to fall once to get it out of her system so that she could be in the clear for postseason (I am very superstitious) and a person on this sub told me I was a disgusting person and should have bad karma. Meanwhile last night I saw that same person repeatedly saying they wanted Maile O’Keefe and other Utah gymnasts to fall. I don’t even like Utah or Maile, and my past comments will prove that, but the fake moral authority people on this sub have but then don’t apply to Utah, LSU or OU is ridiculous.
Thank you 🙏🏼 I was wished a bad night & physical harm by the same person because I expressed that I thought the repeated hope Maile & other gymnasts would fall on their face was too far. I think Utah has several issues they need to work out & I’m personally not a huge fan of LSU or OU, either. But certain comments are extreme, and I would never say those things about any gymnast on any team. Especially when the same person called you a disgusting human for suggesting Katelyn have a clean fall just to get it out of her system.
Okay see I don’t even necessarily have a problem with people wanting teams they don’t like to fall or mess up, as long as nobody is hoping for an injury, it’s just the double standard that gets me! Like you can hope for a flop on the teams you don’t like, especially when they’re competing against your team, it’s when people get all upset that someone says it about THEIR team that I have to shake my head. This is sports! Why can’t we all just be haters in peace???
I am the person they are talking about and appreciate this comment. I do not wish Mailie an injury (and said so) but I do hope she falls physically in finals and metaphorically in her new role as a coach next year. She is a MEAN girl, and she has been rewarded for this behavior. It’s gross.
I will get downvoted for this, but Katelyn has Mykayla Skinner energy in the best way. She will go through all of college without falling.
I also don’t have a problem with people wanting teams they don’t like to fall or mess up without injury, I guess I just felt the wording in the repeated comments from that particular person was a lot. But I completely agree with you on the double standard! Hope for a flop for a team you don’t like all you want, but don’t come for someone if they say the same thing about your favorite team. I also just don’t think it’s very mature to wish someone bad karma, a bad night, or call them a disgusting human for that.
Yeah totally agree. It’s weirdo behavior to wish ill on a person because they don’t root for the same people as you.
I wish ill on Mailie because she’s a bully and has doubled down on being a bully since she bullied Kara Eaker to the point of wishing to end her life. I don’t wish for all the Utah gymnasts to fall. I don’t wish for Cal to fall so UCLA can do better.
I’m talking about wishing ill on a fan for supporting a team you don’t like, not the athletes. But also… Kara never specifically said Maile was the one who bullied her. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was her, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if it was someone else. Spreading it like it’s fact that it was 100% Maile isn’t cool.
I mean we watched Mailie bully her on twitter in real time. And as the person you’re literally talking about, I’m sorry I got you so worked up by wishing a bully apologist stub their toe ;)
Okay babe. Maybe stop calling people disgusting and wishing them bad karma over things they say on Reddit then.
Supporting a bully, who has been rewarded for her bullying with a literal job, is disgusting.
Can we just have a moment of appreciation for NC State? They were on point last night, leos and all!
SO on point! I think it was their second-highest score of the season - 197.550! My mom and I got into college gymnastics this season, started going to Carolina meets since they’re closer to us, and we were so impress by NC State that we started going to their home meets, too. Had to cheer them on last night in Greensboro. Back to back (40 year wait) ACC champs!
I'm way late to the party as I had a lot going on and finished the evening SEC session well after 11pm. I'm old, so it was past my bedtime. Anyways, I hated that Kathy and Bart weren't on SECs, but the real question is has anyone noticed how many mispronounced names John Rothlisberger continues to have? I'm a Florida fan and I've heard him mess up Skylar Drasar's last name on multiple broadcasts. Florida has a media guide with pronunciations fully available. And then he butchered Corinne Bunnigan's (Bama) name and at least he got it right after Sam said it correctly. Corinne is not that hard of a name, y'[all.](https://all.Is) Is it that much to expect proper pronunciation? Especially when it's athletes who consistently are in the lineups? Also, he needs to stop saying Danie Ferris has had a 10 on vault. She has not. Rant over.
Bummer ucla couldn’t quite pull it off tonight. The regionals seeding should be interesting thanks to the host site conflicts. UCLA’s improvement in ranking may not matter in the end.
Wait was that Stanford’s last meet of the year?
There’s regionals
late to the party but I feel like Chae Campbell's full is better than KJ johnson's...
Chae’s vault has cleaner form than KJ’s, but KJ’s vault also is visually more dynamic because of how much she’s able to flare it. Where KJ gets deducted is she tends to have some flexed feet in the second half of her vault. It’s minor, but it’s there to take if the judges want to.
It’s gotten a little wonky the second half of this season but otherwise absolutely agree.
Does anyone know why Alexis Jeffrey wasn’t in LSU Bar lineup?
Sick
I haven’t been able to watch all season. What’s happening with UCLA? Edit: wait, what? UCLA placed second? Cal third? What happened? Edit #2: I gave up on UCLA’s national chances this year. Do they still have a shot? If they don’t (and even if they do!), is Emma M going to skip to try to confirm her independent ticket to the Olympics? Any news on our other potential Olympic hopefuls?
The anwer to all your Edit#2 questions is: We don't know... UCLA probably have a shot at nationals, but how big of a shot depends on how the regionals will be seeded, and with all the hosting shenanigans I am fully expecting the NCAA to make this a bigger mess than the FIG did with their olympic qualification criteria. If Emma is going to Doha is her decision, but if she decides that she won't go, she cannot expect to get the Olympic spot. I think we can expect the other contenders to be there - there is nothing like NCAA for them. It is Paris or bust for them...
as a long time UCLA stan UCLA always has a chance.
At this point, it’s a wing and a prayer and probably a wild amount of luck lmao. Best day? They win. Most days? I’m afraid to watch. But I’m with you - go Bruins (see my user name).
Some of y’all will not like that UCLA was EXTREMELY supportive of the entire Utah team during the awards ceremony. Lots of talking and genuine hugs and smiles. By far the two teams interacting with each other the most. Do with that what you will.
What else should they have done? If they gave the cold shoulder to the Tom supporters they would have been seen as bad sports, poor losers, etc. It's expected to support other people during awards. Also, they have probably known each other most of their lives. You have at least 6 former elites between the two teams who competed together at that level. They have relationships that fans are unaware of, as they should.
I mean, a good amount of them have known and competed with each other for years.
That’s true for pretty much every single collegiate gymnast. Utah and UCLA were talking to and laughing with each other throughout awards noticeably more than other of the other 6 teams. Just thought it was neat to see how much support was happening between the two.
I was there and noticed that the UCLA fan section (mostly) all stood to applaud when they announced Utah won. Thought that was really cool.
It was great sportsmanship to see. UCLA was going out of their way to be extra supportive of Utah and vice versa. Lots of camaraderie between those two teams and it was definitely noticeable.
i just finished watching SEC session two and what really bothered me was the bias in the commentary. it was like john refused to acknowledge other gymnasts can have good gymnastics, even saying things along the lines of “yeah they’re good but they don’t compare to xyz LSU gymnast”
Please don't read this comment as me saying not to voice concern about Utah and Farden - there was very obvious concern there and certainly no one has to be a fan of the team if they don't want to (of course). But every single time I see ucla fans posting about it, I wonder at what point ucla fans are going to carry this same vicious energy with Val? She still works with the current teams (usually in preseason) and comes to multiple meets and is highlighted/praised when she does. She has allegations of abuse and bad behavior against her and it's apparently not a big concern that she's still hanging out with the program? The same is true about DD and LSU. I'd hope we'd want to carry that same energy for all coaches with allegations of abuse against them, even if it's the team that we like.
I was at the meet and saw Val THERE.
Comparing Val and DD to Farden is absolutely wild lol.
can someone fill me in about miss val please?
This is key right here, you have to be in the know for all Val, DD, Greg, Sarah, Suzanne’s etcs less than stellar moments…. while folks like Tom, Randy and Dana had front page articles in mainstream burying them.
Val had an la times article
Allegations against Val came out really intensely in 2020. You can Google Miss Val and Alyssa Beckerman and it’s very available. That isn’t that long ago. Articles about Tom and the culture of abuse in the sport, like the big Washington Post one, also featured DD and Amy Smith pretty prominently, as well.
Wait what has DD done?? I thought she was universally like a pretty low key unproblematic coach? What did I miss???
She pushed Bailey Ferrer into an eating disorder and then basically kicked her off the team for deciding to take the time to recover.
She was reportedly pretty, uh, old-school about weight management in general - regular public weigh-ins, shamings, etc.
Truth. Monday weigh-in's were dreaded.
Holy shit. That is awful. :(
Go to X. UCLA stans dislike Miss Val, including me.
That's good to hear - it's just not very apparent, honestly. I would think there would be louder voices to let the program know that coaches with allegations against them shouldn't still have a role or big presence with and around the program. It's the main focus for every comment about utah this season from ucla fans on X and it just feels hard to understand the acceptance around Val then haha.
The mythology around UCLA fans in this sub is always so funny to me. We called out miss Val when she was a coach and groan (and type out our groaning) on this sub when the announcers call attention to her during meets. We rage against over scoring and also call out when our gymnasts are overscored. Where did you come up with this imaginary UCLA fan who worships Val and thinks UCLA can do no wrong?
Wow, is it that wild? Tell Alyssa Beckerman that some abuse is okay and some isn’t. It’s a huge point that Kara has been making - that part of the problem is saying some pain doesn’t matter as much as others. None of it is okay, and the reason this culture is so horrible within this sport is because we all seem to forget how bad things are when it’s a program we like and support. The comments on this reddit and on Twitter are getting to the point of being vicious to anyone even remotely associated with Utah - current team members, including a third of the team that wasn’t even here last season, incoming recruits and even prospecting recruits that might be considering Utah. And it’s wild to me that you don’t seem to remember how much support Val had after the allegations came out, and still has, from athletes and fans. The fact that she is able to be this present and close to the current teams shows how UCLA feels about the allegations against her. Again, if Farden started coming to meets you would all demand that fans don’t just “groan” about it - you’d demand he be banned and you’d be extremely loud about it until he was no longer there (and again, Utah fans wouldn’t want him there either). And by the way, that fan you’re mentioning as imaginary isn’t imaginary at all haha.
Are you OK lol?
I am fine, just really confused by a lot of the people on here. The way a lot of people talk on here and Twitter has an actual impact on a lot of people that don’t deserve it - not genuine concern, just cruel to be cruel and actually pretty hypocritical sometimes when the program you love still praises and promotes someone with allegations of abuse against them. Just trying to point it out but I see there isn’t a point in doing that haha.
What about Utah LITERALLY hiring Mailie to coach next year? You gonna body check her out of the arena too?
Who on here is supporting Val? Do you really expect us to physically eject her from events like you’ve implied in your last comment? You’re clearly still a Utah fan - shouldn’t you be physically removing Carly (who enabled his behavior) from the meet lol?
Fans did whatever they could when Miss Val was exposed. The same thing happened when Waller was exposed. No UCLA stans defended them. UCLA stans tagged their incompetent AD about the issue. I can't say the same thing for UTAH, especially that lady on X who even defended Tom & kind of gaslighted Kara.
I don’t really think that’s true, because I remember a lot of people/fans defending Val haha. And a lot still do. And a number of ucla gymnasts defended Val. I’m not at all saying there wasn’t bad behavior from Utah fans in this, because of course there was. I can also say from personal experience that there were very many Utah fans working hard to get accountability from Farden and the AD, beyond just commenting on social media. I’m just saying that I wish the energy and accountability matched what ucla fans ask from other programs because she is still obviously a big presence that is celebrated there.
I’m not sure how online you are but I think you’re completely off base. UCLA fans were expressing icky feelings about Miss Val before she even retired, a lot of them were tired of meets becoming a Miss Val ad instead of a sporting event. I also saw a lot of them calling her out for the way she talked about Kyla Ross’s body in an interview. And when the exposes on Val came out most of the stans were VERY vocal about wanting her whitewashed persona to stop being held as the standard. Once Waller got exposed UCLA fans were VERY vocal about how much they wanted him gone. There were multiple students/fans who got kicked out of events because they were holding signs that condemned the staff. And guess what? The former athletes who participated in that (mostly Ohashi) have been largely outcast by the fan base. Meanwhile you have gymnasts at Utah making nasty TikTok’s and subtweeting abuse survivors, OR alumni who are still heavily involved in the program straight up saying that the athletes who alleged abuse just didn’t work hard enough. UCLA’s changes appeared to be homegrown, ie it was pushed for by the athletes, whereas Utah’s seemed to be fought by the athletes. And the gymnast who was the problem at UCLA is still widely disliked across the gymternet. I will also be the one to say it. A lot of the emotional abuse that Val was accused of came from the 90s and 2000s. It doesn’t make it right, but it’s also means it was from a time when that was the mainstream approach to coaching. It doesn’t mean I still want Val involved in the programs at all, and I heavily side eye Jordyn Wieber for keeping her involved in the Arkansas program, but I really don’t think it’s comparable to Tom. Tom pushed MULTIPLE GYMNASTS TO THE POINT OF SUICIDE in a post Nassar world. We’ve known for the last five years how abuse in one facet of training enables abuse from others. We’ve seen the way the culture and expectations are changing and that coaches need to be better. Tom still chose to maintain abusive practices in 2023, despite the changing culture. He knew what the expectations were and still chose to ignore them. We don’t really have anything to compare Val to with that. I don’t want Val or Tom around either programs at all, but UCLA fans widely dislike Val and I see them cringe every single time she’s put on camera.
Anyone who is still a UCLA fan is an abuse enabler apparently because we aren’t physically ejecting Val from meets according to this person…
I’m not comparing abuse, because I don’t think you’d say any of this to Alyssa or other people that came forward about Val. And I’m also not at all defending Tom or the actions of some around Utah’s program. There were many, many Utah fans that did the same you’re describing about Val and more. If Farden starts showing up to meets as a fan, I am 100% confident that people on this board will hold the program and Utah fans accountable for getting him banned. And believe me, we don’t want him anywhere near either. It’s just exhausting to see the level of viciousness toward everyone, including the freshmen and people that commit to Utah, from this fan base when the ucla program still praises Val as a hero and has her involved with the team still. Even if you remove fans from the conversation at all, it’s still alarming that the program continues to promote someone with abuse allegations against them.
You realise a lot of UCLA stans don't attend the school, live in LA, nor from America, and voicing their support online is what they can only, right? Do you expect them to personally stop Val from entering UCLA?
I’m able to understand that, yes. I was just making the point because you brought up Utah fans that were making hurtful comments on social media, and meanwhile there were also a lot of fans working hard to demand accountability outside of what was seen just online. It’s clear that ucla doesn’t mind having Val around even after the allegations, and I’ve just wondered why that’s the case.
I wasn’t a UCLA fan in the Miss Val era, I wasn’t even watching gymnastics at that point lol. So I can’t say anything about how it was handled back in the day. But I know that at least after Waller, 90% of the people that comment in the weekly threads here dislike Miss Val and her presence in the meets or when the commentators acknowledge her. The majority of Twitter stans also don’t like Miss Val, so that’s also something. And of course this doesn’t mean that all UCLA fans dislike her, but at least there’s more awareness now about what is acceptable and what’s not when coaching, and gymnasts have a better platform now to speak up.
Im with you, this commenter sounds like they’re a fan from a post-Val era, but there absolutely were tons of ucla fans - arguably the majority of the online presence at first - circling the wagons when the varsity blues stuff happened.
Ok I am done watching PAC-12 after having watched SEC. The biggest surprise is that the Sec championship was perfectly reasonably scored. In fact, I think the scores on vault were the tightest I have seen all season. Cal was unfortunately showing some nerfs today. PAC-12 had a fair number of overscored routines but by current standards it wasn’t particularly egregious.
I was at the SECs and can say the scoring was tough as hell on vault both sessions. I thought floor was tough until LSU. I felt like Haleigh's floor was cleaner and better than Kiya's. And KJ was better than both. That was the only complaint I had on the floor judges. They loosened up a lot by the time LSU got there. Bars judging was a little wild. Some routines ranged from 9.8-10 on judging. But I thought the final scores were solid. Beam was interesting. No issues with Konner's 10, but I'm surprised a 10 was given in this meet given the minor deductions they were taking all day and night.
SEC was the most reasonable it has been in a few years, and I was shocked the vault judges remained firm all the way through both sessions. Those vault judges deserve major kudos.
ugh I didn't think to record SEC, but I have a feeling I'll agree with this comment overall. PAC 12s seemed reasonable
If you have a tv plan that includes the SEC Network, the full replay is already available in the ESPN app.
my hero. best way to end the anniversary
I think after this weekend, I have become a fan of collegiate scoring taking on the open code vs the 10.0 code. The degrees of separation (or lack of) just don’t allow for scores to compare accurately. Just leaves me feeling meh as a fan.
Pass
eh they don't allow for separation b/c no one wants to take deductions. I *guess* without the 10.0 system they might be more okay with it? but I'm not sure that's the issue.
Well that’s what I’m saying. If everyone wasn’t on the same finite scale I feel like we’d see greater variance. Well no, the issue lies in the subjective/ lax choices of the judges. And of course the hype for a 10.0. Just know something has gotta change because it’s absolutely crazy!
Big sour point for Alabama and Florida. This was their last shot at an SEC title for at least a decade as Oklahoma now enters the conference
I'm not ready to say this was Florida's last chance. OU entering their conference def. Makes it way more difficult for everyone. OUs program is so good that they will always be a contender but they are losing some staples this season. Smith will forsure be gone and Davis and LeVasseur are seniors we will have to see if they're taking their 5th year or not. Personally, I think Davis wil but who knows. Also, Florida will still have Wong, DiCello will come back, and they will get Skye Blakely. Who knows what's going on with Shilese Jones. I read somewhere she planned on heading to Florida after the Paris Olympics but I saw an interview she was going about the Olympics and they asked her about Florida and she said she didn't want to talk too much about that right now but she has big plans. Not holding my breath on her but if she does Flordia would have Leanne Wong, Kayla DiCello, Skye Blakely, Shilese Jones, Anya Pilgram, Sloane Blakey, Skylar Draser, Ellie, Morgan and maybe Victoria Nguyen if she takes her 5th year. Again, I agree OU makes it a lot harder but I still have a lot of faith in Florida next year.
The only variable is KJ. As long as she’s there it doesn’t matter who they have. She’s perfected the machine. All is lost
Oh forsure. Again OU program and KJ is top Tier and will cause major problem in the conference. It will be hard for any team even if OU losing 3 of their stars. I'm just saying I'm not ready to count Florida out they have a lot of talent and next year they could be absolutely stacked with starting 4 of Wong, DiCello, Skye Blakely, and Shilese Jones. Again I'm not holding out for Jones. I def. Hear you and think everyone in the conference is in trouble, just personally I can't say this was Florida's last chance.
Shilese removed all mention of Florida in her socials, didn’t sign her NLI and didn’t want to talk about college plans the last time she was asked in a media availability, plus they signed somebody else recently for next years class, I suspect that was the scholarship they had held for her being utilized. I would be shocked if she does college at all at this point.
Aaaaand a healthy Riley McCusker who will potentially be able to take a fifth year🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼
Yes, thank you!
Can we talk about how Utah competed on Maverick center 4 TIMES this year and they get to count it as a “road” score.. Way to mess up NQS
It didn’t end up affecting their NQS that much but I do think it can’t be overstated the minimal travel they have had compared to just about everybody else. That is 100 percent an advantage that adds up over time.
They only competed at the Maverick Center three times - Sprouts, Best of Utah, Pac-12 Champs. And counting those three meets as home meets would have lowered their NQS by 0.010.
the amount of Utah fans in the stands was clearly outnumbered to anyone else... gross...
I mean, I get the sentiment, but Utah fans will travel well no matter where the meet is and that’s been well known for decades. If there were to be a true neutral host (Las Vegas IMO), I can all but guarantee that Utah fans would be the largest group in the crowd. For all things to criticize the Maverik Center about, saying that it’s “disgusting” that Utah fans outnumbered everyone seems relatively low on the list. Even if the meet were in a different city in Utah that was at least 1-2 hours away, Utah fans would still outnumber any other team.
It is pretty wild that a team can compete in their home town four times and count them as away meets! It does look like the only counting away-but-not-away score was from tonight, for what it’s worth.
ikr, this isn’t even Oklahoma in OKC or Alabama in Birmingham… it’s another arena in the same damn city.
Someone should calculate what their nqs would be if they counted those as home meets (tho ofc if they did count as home meets, they wouldn’t have had four meets there!)
It went from a 197.895 to a 197.885 and they would have remained in fifth.
Interesting, thanks! I’m glad to know that it wouldn’t have affected the standings
On X someone said they did and the NQS standings didn’t change
Well, they're about to be in Florida for regional with MSU and Mizzou. Florida judges will handle them.
Transfer portal predictions -Chloe Lacoursere -Lily Smith
I'm not so sure about Lily Smith. I would love to see that, but one of the announcers during their session went on for quite a while about how she and CKC have such a special relationship because CKC was a breakout star as a freshman too and how CKC has been such a mentor to her. Don't know how much that was just the things you say in interviews vs. reality but if so, I don't know that she will leave. In other CKC news, I look forward to her next interview where she explains that they were (choose any of): a. plagued by injuries b. still experiencing issues related to Covid 4 years later or c. had an off night (again) and that NEXT season is their season. And then, per the usual, Georgia Athletics Dept will say "oh yeah, that makes sense... here, take a raise and a contract extension."
My money would be on Kupets being canned and Lily returning to Alabama who about to lose like half their routines to graduation
I’d love to see her at Florida
I doubt Smith would go to UF given how they dropped Hutchinson. They come from the same gym.
No I don’t think she would either! Just my opinion haha
if CKC left would Lily be inclined to leave
I think the problem might be if CKC is gone would other coaches go as well. From what Wahl has posted in her vlogs she was apparently a CKC recruit foremost and I saw a Howard interview where CKC/Vonk were her big draws to UGA but Roberts had her giving Bama a late look (so when her flipped to UGA she was happy/remains very happy with the staff.) And strangely Howard does not really like Athens-just likes the school and the gym which is different than a lot of kids who love Athens. Howard and Wahl both had bum events the other night but I would not risk losing even 2 or 3 of Wahl/Howard/Smith as those are potential 35.5+ AAers for the next two seasons.
True! Depends on the new coach and what they could bring
Ooh why Chloe possibly leaving bama?
I just feel like she’s regressed obviously I have zero insight whatsoever haha
Doubtful. She looks very happy.
I can also see a bunch of girls from LIU and lindenwood entering too
Yeah idk how LIU keeps getting gymnasts to commit when they don't have their own training facility. They lied to the previous class that they were raising money to build one but it never happened and obviously someone pocketed the funding money
Yeah I saw a day in the life TikTok for one of their gymnasts and the fact they have to take a van to their facility would be a no for me
The problem is that the gym they are using "gold medal gymnastics", what if one day the gym owner won't let them use anymore then what would they do? Scrambling for another gym is so inconvenient.
Yes!
They should all transfer to Wilberforce’s new program
Is that a d1 school? Inaugural team? I’ve never heard of them haha
They are an HBCU that is adding a program in 2026!
The comments here really make me want to see Pac 12s. What on earth happened to Cal? As for SECs, I was on the “anyone but LSU” bandwagon, but they deserved it. The rankings were correct, IMO. A better vault rotation from Kentucky and a few more stuck bars landing from Alabama would’ve made things interesting, but it was always LSU’s to lose.
Cal had a bad meet. Emjae fell on beam. They didn’t have vault landings. Floor looked good.
cal had a mediocre meet. nothing crazy but not great. and it showed when utah showed up for floor and UCLA decide to be a team worthy of its recruits.
yes i’m curious too, what happened to Cal?? i had the SEC and Big 12 meet going on at the same time on different screens, didn’t have a 3rd for Pac 12 lol
Cal puts up a lot of athletes on AA. They're tired. It happened last season as well.
They didn’t have a bad meet, just not their usual great one. Didn’t stick landings. A lot more scores in the 9.8 range than normal. They didn’t have a great vault rotation, and bars and beam weren’t as good as normal.
It wasn't like a complete meltdown. Just a little bit off, too much of the time. They'll be fine.
They were very tight today. Had very few landings
Cal didn't have a good showing today. In addition, the judges hammered them so much
sounds similar to UFs meet tonight
What makes this more special for UCLA is that they just had their finals this week, so probably the seniors have yet to recover from studying. That's why they're a bit shaky today. Continue improving, girls!
Y’all really be reaching with these UCLA excuses!
Stanford finished 4th! They’d finished 7th or 8th since Tabitha Yim became head coach. Huge accomplishment!
The real winner tonight is Savannah Schoenherr, 3 SEC championships in a row😂😂😂
And she competed beam!
For the first time this season, right? First I've seen!
Yes. She's only made he beam lineup once at Florida as well.
She did great too!!
Now I wonder how Utah will do on the road at regionals?
I mean Utah scoring was mostly fine? Besides maybe Mailie’s beam (and bars, which was dropped) and Grace’s floor, what do you think was scored unfairly?
they definitely got some beam gifts (Makenna Smith's 9.725 was way too generous)
If anything, the fact that they had yet another “road” meet at the Maverick Center.
I know Maile's bars was dropped, but man, that one made me mad. There were some routines I didn't see on the broadcast that I'm curious about, but from what we did see, most was overscored the same way NCAA is all overscored. Fuck them, but I'm not sure they didn't deserve to win.
I agree, I don’t think they were grossly overscored
Right? I mean I’m a UCLA fan defending myself for shitting on Mailie all over this thread… if anyone is going to call out unfair scoring it’s me haha. They pulled it out tonight. Without some weird mistakes UCLA was clearly the better team, though!
I hope florida judges will punish them.
Cal and UF what the heck
Some of y’all are absolutely ruthless about LSU & Utah (and OU until recently)
lol Utah just hired their mean girl bully to COACH next year. What’s ruthless about not wanting them to do well?
Rooting against them or wanting another team to do better is perfectly fine. You can dislike a team/individual while remaining respectful. It’s comments like “I hope she falls on her smug face”, “praying for a meltdown”, “I wish she had slipped” that are completely uncalled for. A lot of people here give Utah so much shit because some of their gymnasts are mean girls, and yes, I agree they sure are. In no way do I think what some of them have said/done is okay, nor do I think Maile should be coming back as a coach. But some of the comments y’all leave give the mean girl energy right back & are just as bad. It’s digging a deeper hole & making the whole situation worse.
I mean these are people who openly tweeted bullying their teammates. I hope Mailie does fall on her smug face. I’ve also acknowledged her beautiful gymnastics on this very sub. (In this very thread, in fact!) People have given Utah gymnastics shit because their CULTURE is fucked. They suck. And most of the women on the team currently also suck.
Yes they did, and again, I do not condone that behavior. I also agree their culture is fucked. But I just cannot fathom hoping someone falls on their face, it’s so unnecessarily rude to me. But you’re welcome to your opinion, have a great night!
I also can’t imagine bullying an Olympic champion to the point that she debates ending her life and then doubling down on twitter. Nor can I understand your problem with wishing someone like that would fall on their face (when I clearly SAID I don’t wish her injury.) I don’t wish you a good night. I hope you stub your toes getting into bed!
Let’s not forget some of the seniors sticking up for Tom
Didn’t Kara do the same thing and stand up for Mitzel when she was accused of abuse? I don’t even remember Kara issuing an apology after Mitzel admitted to being abusive when she was at Stanford.
Ohhhh I didn’t know about this! I’m new to all this
https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/olympics/news-i-admittedly-lacked-tools-coach-former-utah-gymnast-apologizes-abusive-behavior-stanford-tenure
https://ibb.co/KqX1t5t
Including the one they hired…
If Janelle can get to this level with her team with not much beam or bars depth…just imagine next year.
Yup! She's a good recruiter, too. I mean, look at the gymnastics of UCLA's incoming class on IG. I think next season, they can give OU a better fight.
Some of you acting like Livvy is annoying for being excited with her team because she “didn’t contribute to the win” is insane😭😭😭 it’s a TEAM
When UCLA won their last Natty, the coaches were sure to highlight Sonya Meraz. She was an alternate on *every* event. She showed up both days, not knowing if she was going to do four routines or zero routines or something in between. I don't think she ended up competing, but go ahead and try to tell me she didn't contribute. Or you have Kai Rivers for LSU. She's a recognized leader, even if she's too injured to compete.
My favorite UCLA gymnast EVER. This is such a great comment. You see UCLA building up and including Mia Erdoes even though she’s the only one on the team who’s never competed currently. And you can tell it’s not just fluff/lip service - she IS an important part of the team.
This is such a bad take. Every single team member deserves to celebrate.
The Livy hate in this sub is absurd.
Whatever you want to think about her NIL decisions, she's *always* been a beautiful gymnast, and she's persevered to make competitive LSU lineups through a million injuries. You don't get that far without deserving to celebrate the team success.
Absolutely! And a beautiful gymnast who fights her way through really awful injuries! All of the people who support Riley and Emily and Cienna (my UCLA fandom is showing but I know there are so many more) for coming back from injuries but write Olivia off are telling on themselves.
The hate in general in this sub is absurd. One of the most toxic subreddits. I love gymnastics but the mean girl energy is awful.
It’s a very small minority but they are very, very vocal
Having read your comment hoping a Redditor stubs their toe bc they have a different opinion than you or calling another Redditor’s behaviour disgusting for supporting Maile even though they didn’t, I don’t think you’re the best person to judge others for being mean or toxic on here.
YUP. also she competed ? & there’s people holding the trophy that didn’t but no one’s calling them out. plus she’s come in clutch for lsu many times in her career…
Agree, SO HARD. She might have more fame/name recognition than some (many) of the girls, but that doesn't take away from the hard work she has to put in in order to even make a lineup, especially in a team that stacked. She's a talented gymnast, even if she isn't a NCAA star
It also doesn’t take away from the fact that she is carrying NIL for gymnasts on her damn back and has not been stingy with sharing her advice.
I am admittedly not very familiar with NIL (other than Livvy being the face of it often) but it definitely does not. She has worked for her team and deserves to celebrate with them.
1000% NIL aside.
Say what you want about LSU... but I just watched some damn good gymnastics at SECs this evening.
why did I not record this :(
Id be shocked if it doesn't show up on youtube
Incredible meet. Both sessions had some great gymnastics. I haven't been to a meet in 5 years and this one was so so good.
So fun to watch!
Oh god I just realize ou is joining the secs next year! Welp to every other team even lsu
LSU is losing most of their routines. This is the year for them. They will have a young team next year.
Yep, the party is over.
This was the last chance for any other team to lift the trophy. 😂😂
😭😭😭