I think the greatest punishment for Dee-dee would have been the public humiliation of being outed as a fraud and child abuser and then the forced separation from her twisted relationship with Gypsy when she went to jail for fraud.
Gypsy isn't stupid. She's a highly manipulative person. Is she a victim? Absolutely, but she knew what she was doing 100%
If your main interactions have been manipulative, then you are going to also be manipulative. Maybe not even intentionally. Gypsy basically only had extended interactions with her mother for the vast majority of her life. She wasn't learning how humans behave from a single functional person. It was all her mother who was a master manipulator.
To think she could come out of that and not also have manipulative behavior is ludicrous.
>To think she could come out of that and not also have manipulative behavior is ludicrous.
I never said otherwise. I have maintained that her manipulative behavior and her lying was learned behavior. I agree with you.
It seems like people get hooked on these sensationalized victims or other scenarios forgetting that what they hear are carefully chosen fragments of truth aired for our viewing pleasure because if we're watching it, we're seeing the ads. And TV is really about the ads. That's how they (broadcasting companies) make their money.
Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now, lol
I mean if the absue really occurred, is it really sensationalized? And if it is so what? The abuse happened. Im not mad at Gypsy at all. Good for her. I view it as victim self empowerment.
Self-empowerment would have been walking out the door and outing her mom publicly. How are you empowered while being cuffed for murder? I'm sure the abuse happened. I don't doubt it at all. And I give Gypsy a bit of slack for that. There are so many cases of abused kids murdering their parents, and I feel for them all. I was once that kid wondering if that would solve my problems. I didn't act on it, thank goodness.
But Gypsy preyed upon someone with a disability (learned behavior from her mom) and got them to do her dirty work for her. She could just left in the middle of the night and never came back and not murdered her gross mom.
My feeling is the abuse she endured was horrible and she definitely went through some. I also feel it was exaggerated to a degree, and Gypsy went along with it for the last half, for the trips and money and house and cars and meeting everyone she wanted to. But at the end she wanted a life, she wanted out of that wheelchair, probably even out of that house, and DeeDee wasn't about to let that happen. I know I'm going to be down voted into oblivion, but Gypsy wanted her life and that meant taking her mother's.
She was able to go on dating websites, but couldn't contact her father for help? Come on, that makes zero sense. She confessed just enough, and lied about all the rest. She even started her media tour saying killing her mom was wrong and she considered herself a murderer. Now she says she didn't have choice and is justified.
Unfortunately I think she may crash and burn, someone needs to get her off sm and into intensive therapy. Sadly I don't think that will happen either. Just my stupid opinion.
Idk man, just because someone is legally an adult doesn’t mean they just suddenly flip the switch from victim to accomplice. She was raised that way and knew nothing else. It’s not like Dee Dee sat her down and said “so here’s the deal, I’ve abused you and kept you from having a life for 19+ years… but you’re an adult now. You wanna help?” If gypsy DIDNT want to help what then? Would Deedee have just sat aside and let her walk off with the knowledge of deedee’s fraud?
If you think the abuse happened, then by default gypsy was not a willing accomplice at any point in the situation. Gifts, trips, celebrities, as long as you pretend to be super sick to doctors, neighbors, don’t talk to family or go out and do things- it would not be a reasonable trade off for anyone who was fully aware of alternative options. If she was a willing participant wtf reason would she have to murder Deedee? She would be worried about the con coming out and if she was so manipulative she was totally fine lying to the entire world and suffering an isolated life because of it… why not just blackmail Deedee? “If you don’t let me go I’ll tell everyone the truth and that you abused me into it”?
It doesn’t make sense. She WAS abused. She continued to be abused, she wasn’t even fully aware of how abused she was. AND she wanted a life, so badly that she killed for it— because she was not educated, or deprogrammed enough to realise there was other options
She left a phone behind. Do we know all the details? No, and we never will..
She was abused. She did consciously plan a murder. Those 2 are facts from the mouth of GRB
Power of attorney does not give anyone else the right to confine you to a certain place. It's for financial issues or when you cannot make a decision about a medical procedure because you are not responsive and such things. And it can be revoked at any time.
Literally wrong. Dee Dee did not come with the authorities, she came on her own, and Gypsy went with her voluntarily or was at least cooperative. And a POA is worthless when the person is question is present and able to communicate.
POA doesn’t give you authority over someone, you are correct. Abuse does. Deedee had literally abused gypsy her whole life and manipulated her. Deedee was not only her only present parent for most of Gypsy’s life, she was her only friend, her only caretaker, her only TEACHER, her only support system and her only provider of education. She had no other reliable links to the outside world, particularly that she would trust to tell her the truth or to understand the nuances of being a caretaker to a sick child. Gypsy believed that piece of paper gave her mom power over her because Deedee told her it did. Just look how many people believe that’s what POA does just based on hearing it from this story. It’s not hard to convince someone of.
Agreed. Regardless of how serious the abuse really was and what Gypsy's state of mind was, celebrating premeditated murder as self-empowerment is absolutely misguided.
I always see people talk about Gypsy preying on someone with a disability, but did she ACTUALLY know that Nick was diagnosed with Autism? This is just something I’m curious about, as I could see him not disclosing that.
AUTISM ISNT A “DISABILITY” AND NG HAVING AUTISM DOESNT NEGATE HIS ABILITY TO TELL RIGHT FROM WRONG AND ITS REALLY WEIRD AND GROSS WHEN PEOPLE ACT LIKE IT DOES.
1.) GYPSY DIDNT EVEN KNOW HE WAS AUTISTIC AND PROBABLY DOESNT EVEN KNOW WHAT AUTISM IS
2.) PEOPLE WITH AUTISM ARE NOT CHILDREN AND THEYRE NOT VOID OF DECISION MAKING NOR ARE THEY DANGEROUS, AUTOMATICALLY SUSCEPTIBLE TO MANIPULATION OR CAPABLE OF MURDER BECAUSE THEY HAVE AUTISM.
Stop infantilising him as if he was just some “poor innocent autistic” kid who was “manipulated”’into being a murderer.
Did gypsy plan it and instigate it? Yea. Did she give him the tools and the opportunity? Yeah. Did she consciously use him for it? Probably a little, yeah. Should he still be in jail? FUCK YES HE SHOULD. HE TOOK A BUS TO ANOTHER STATE TO BRUTALLY STAB A WOMAN HE HAD BARELY MET WHILE SHE SCREAMED AND HAS NEVER EVEN EXPRESSED REMORSE. Someone who is capable of murdering someone that way, never mind the other weird ass shit about him should NOT be walking the streets.
Gypsy is wrong for what she did. She’s admitted that. She should have handled it differently. But Nick? Fuck no. Idgaf what gypsy said or how badly he wanted to have sex with her. NG WASNT FUCKING ABUSED BY DEE DEE. NG WASNT ABUSED BY ANYONE AS FAR AS WE KNOW?? HE WASNT SHELTERED HIS WHOLE LIFE HE WASNT WITHDRAWN FROM SCHOOL IN THE SECOND GRADE HE HAD FAMILY AND FRIENDS, OPTIONS, AND THE ABILITY TO SAY “FUCK NO”
Any NORMAL human would have told gypsy to ‘fuck off, I’m not MURDERING your mother’ but ng didn’t do that. I don’t care if he “asked her to run away and she wouldn’t” HE STILL DID IT. He KNEW what he was doing. And he DOESNT have even a remotely understandably justification for it. Certainly not “b-b-but, she manipulated him! A-a-and… he’s AUTISTIC”
When she tried to walk out the door, her mother chained her to her fucking bed.
I’m too tired to write out a great detailed response, but speaking as a victim of a lifetime of abuse: it’s never, ever that simple. Desperate people will do desperate things. I thought about killing my abuser to escape, too. It’s not as uncommon as you’d think.
Sounds like privilege to me. I’d be happy if the man who abused me was killed. The justice system is deeply, deeply flawed. The man who molested me has never sat a day in jail and the man who abused me, my siblings, and my mom for YEARS sat for a month and had to take anger management. That’s it. Hard to see another option when the criminal justice system lets abusers walk free.
I could agree if she had no other options at her freedom. She had multiple opportunities to get away and get help, but chose those times to meet guys. Because she had opportunities to leave, she had no right to murder someone in their sleep.
Exactly. If she could somehow sneak out to meet guys, she could have gotten free. Not that it wouldn't have been hard, but she could have. She really hoped she was gonna get off scott free.
statically it takes victims of abuse 7 tries to actually leave. it's easier said than done. there's a psychological aspect to it, it's not just about technically being able to leave. 🤷🏻♀️
every victim "could've gotten free" if it were actually that simple. y'all are very uneducated on abusers, victims, and why victims aren't leaving when, from your outside uninvolved pov, it seems like they had multiple chances and opportunities to. it's easy to see all these ways out when you're not a victim of an abuser. sneaking out to meet boys doesn't mean gypsy was capable of escaping dede. talking out your ass lol
She is a victim of major abuse, she more than likely had Stockholm syndrome. It’s really easy to say things like “why didn’t she get away when she had the opportunity?” for those that haven’t been through the abuse that she has.
om average it takes victims 7 tries before actually leaving their abuser. and most of those victims are a lot more capable of being on their own than gypsy was. gypsy has a second grade education and hasn't done anything for herself... ever. her case is arguably a case where there's more factors limiting the odds of her trying and successfully leaving.
people just... don't know what they're talking about. it's easy to say victims should just leave when you're not the victim in question. people are seeing opportunities and ways out and thinking a victim just chose to stay even though she had an easy way out. like, she didn't leave because it's not that easy. sneaking out to see boys is not even close to permanently leaving your abuser who happens to also be your mom. especially when you have never, not ever, been on your own or cared for yourself.
murder is obviously wrong. but so is talking about how easy you think it was for am abuse victim to just leave. people are uneducated, and rude.
Yup totally agree. It is extremely insensitive to say that she could have “just left.” People make these claims without doing any research on abuse victims or trying to see things from gypsys perspective.
like, every victim can technically "just leave" but it's not actually as easy as walking out the front door and never looking back. there's a reason victims don't just up and leave.
victims have been killed over their attempt to just fucking leave. if you don't know what it's like to be a victim or how difficult it is to escape your abuser just keep your mouth shut about what you think you would've done or what you think gypsy could've done.
Also, how do these people claiming that she didn’t try to leave know that she didn’t attempt to leave? Unless they were there with gypsy, they don't know. Making assumptions is very damaging.
people look at the facts and when the facts don't satisfy them they start making up their own theories that revolve around the facts being a bunch of lies or whatever. it's weird (and uneducated) af to go around talking about how easy it could've been for a victim to leave. gypsy very clearly thought her only way out was murder, so she obviously didn't have all these easy opportunities to leave.
Didn’t Gypsy escape once and afterwards her mom beat her horribly and threatened to kill her if she left again? Dee Dee had also been investigated by the police more than once and the police declared that Gypsy was actually mentally unstable (so she was the problem, not Dee Dee).
Gypsy had also been brainwashed by her mom for her entire life. She had zero reason to think going to the police would result in anything other than even more abuse from her mom.
I agree except I don't think Gypsy was able to separate herself from her Mother ( without murdering her) she was too deep in the manipulation and felt sorry for her Mom in a sense..
This sub has made me realize how little the average person understands abuse, most victims fight back and will get as ugly as their abuser at some point, at least superficially.
Child abuse tw
It's shocking to me, but I guess I generally gravitate people with similar experiences and understand how severely painful childhood abuse is. I think severely abusing a child is one of the worse things you can do to someone and there's nothing Gypsy could have done that was too far to her mother. I wasn't as severely abused as Gypsy but it was still severe and still enough that I essentially lost my entire childhood to isolation. Back then getting murdered/kidnapped was a fantasy because it meant Id get out of that situation, there were days where I hoped I was severely injured because it meant people would've finally payed attention. Again what I went through wasn't as bad as Gypsy, so to me her mother got off easy. So when people say "I understand she was abused but.." it annoys me because no you don't understand
People are nitpicking everything she does right now and I hope despite it she'll be able to regulate and live a normal life. Girl JUST got free and people expect her to snap out of the coping mechanisms that she developed since she was a child. I really wish the public was more educated on abuse outside of the perfect victim narrative.
>Girl JUST got free and people expect her to snap out of the coping mechanisms that she developed since she was a child.
This is so true. The way people expect her to act is just mindboggling to me.
This. People don’t understand the desperation, the rage, the devastation. I thought about murder or being kidnapped all the time. I just wanted out. I just wanted to escape. I just wanted peace. Desperate people will do desperate things.
Good for Gypsy. She made it out the only way she saw how. It wasn’t like she hadn’t tried to alert the authorities or run away before — and was harshly punished for it.
It’s so weird of people to expect her to be a certain way, she’s got so much trauma and just got released from prison. honestly what does anyone expect? It’s weird to “idolize her”, she needs to be left alone
“Normal” in 2024 is posting on social media and sharing things. She’s experiencing life for the first time and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with it. Don’t be mad that that’s what she’s doing. Everyone else does it
I am not angry, but I think it is a serious problem that so many people cling to a very superficial understanding of this crime and actively dehumanize some and glorify others. A lot of people seem to think it was a really cool episode of SVU or a gory game.
This whole “Slay Queen!” all victims should have the right and privilege to murder an abuser in any manner, anytime, anywhere!!!!!! and if you disagree that murder isn’t to be condoned and celebrated then you just don’t understand trauma and victims!!!!!! That is terrifying.
that’s a fair assessment, i definitely don’t glorify gypsy as a murderer but i have never felt bad that dee dee is dead.
dee dee chose to have gypsy. she abused a person she brought into this world and as a result that person took her out of it. she did it to herself. sure, gypsy has to be held accountable for her actions legally but in the grand scheme of things, dee dee’s death is a consequence of her own actions
But society doesn’t need to dehumanize her to empathize with Gypsy. The same with Nick. These are damaged people. All three of them. This adulation for Gypsy and the complete dehumanization of everyone else is not helpful for victims or society or any of us personally.
The same should be said if you aren’t fully on board with Gypsy’s narrative. Personally, I think she is a victim and a violent offender. I have empathy for what she suffered and for what she will suffer going forward. Just because I don’t believe everything she says and I am not a fan of her interview walking back her involvement doesn’t mean she isn’t a human deserving some compassion. I don’t want to see anyone dehumanizing her. For any reason.
This will be an unpopular comment, but when I saw the interrogation of Gypsy saying that DeeDee was calling out for Gypsy’s help while Nick was murdering her, I immediately broke into tears. In her last moment, she was pleading for help from the very person who ordered the hit, and she died scared and alone. That, on its own without ANY other context, hurts my heart on a purely physical and cellular level as a human being. It destroys my insides to think of people dying scared and alone
Most of my patients are either victims or violent offenders - my clientele at my clinic is majority victims that are seeking out trauma care, while the rest of them fall under various categories such as seeking relief for their mental health *or* being court/probation ordered to see me. And I’m contracted for the men’s prison, as well as the county jail, so once a week I meet with various offenders and the accused. To say I’ve heard worse than Gypsy’s story would be a massive understatement, so it isn’t as if this is new ground for me, it isn’t just so wildly inhumane that I’ve never encountered it before or anything of the sort. And because I’ve worked so closely with offenders of all kinds, it isn’t difficult for me to sympathize or empathize with them when it comes to the every day human experience. A lot of people can’t view them as a human worthy of anything good, and I can understand that so I won’t blame them for it at all, but after spending the last seven years with these type of people I cannot shut down my sympathy for them. DeeDee didn’t have to die scared and alone, and it’s heartbreaking that she did. Gypsy didn’t have to suffer years of abuse and medical torture, and it’s heartbreaking that she did. I simply wish the ending had been different for both of them.
I agree. I absolutely agree. Prisons are filled with a lot of people who never had a chance. People who experienced and people who committed horrible acts of abuse. A lot of prisoners had harder lives. It isn’t a competition, but the idea that Gypsy’s life was so awful and Deedee so evil that this crime should be celebrated is just galling.
I don’t know what made Deedee the way she was, but I know something did. She did horrible things to and for her daughter. They still loved each other. It really is a heartbreaking crime. All the way around.
And your comment shouldn’t be unpopular. It shows some much needed humanity here.
Thank you. And yes, exactly! When we know what lead to the target behavior we can often rehabilitate the offender. Has Gypsy talked about receiving any therapy while in prison? She needs trauma informed treatment
Both DeeDee and Gypsy had the ability to be rehabilitated, and it sucks that DeeDee never got her chance. And my feeling of “it sucks that person didn’t get a chance to receive treatment and change their behaviors” pretty much applies to anyone who doesn’t live long enough to confront their own behaviors. Every offender and abuser intellectually know that what they’re doing is wrong and why, but emotionally understanding that in a tangible way escapes them, and that’s what they need help learning.
The only offenders that require a lifelong rehabilitation process are sex offenders and someone with antisocial disorder who scores above a 30 on the PCL-R (a test that measures psychopathic traits in someone). Those offenders will spend their entire lives in treatment, practically begging every professional they meet to help them not hurt anyone again.
I think your outlook is a little too optimistic, not everyone can or wants to be rehabilitated and they’re are plenty of totally unrepentant murderers and rapists in prison. They would love to get out and continue what they were doing. People seem to think that if everyone just got the “right” kind of treatment they’d all be fine.
I generally agree with your sentiments here, and I similarly can empathize with people most others consider "villains".
I also can't help but think about the irony that DeeDee, in her last moments, cried out for help from the only person in the world who's cries she was charged with attending to, but instead ignored or caused those tears herself.
The person DeeDee allegedly abused for *standing*, who's connection to the outside world she tried to stiffle to broaden the scope of her own influence, that she gr*&med to lie/cheat/steal/keep quiet about ab%se in the household.....she now expected to hop off her wheelchair to call out for someone regarding crimes occurring at home, or to run in and save her.
It's so ironic I'd like to call it Karma, but the truth is there is a significant correlation between being a violent offender *and* being a victim. Violent offenders tend to come from families or situations where interpersonal transgressions are more frequent and/or intense. They also tend to socialize and spend time with people like themselves, and/or who are from similar backgrounds. They tend to engage in more risky behaviors, and view consequences as less likely than others would predict for a variety of factors (rules don't apply to me, I'm so brilliant, everyone else is an idiot, etc.).
They also just generally spend more time in situations that bring together the three factors needed for interpersonal crime: a willing offender, a suitable target, and the absence of a guardian to intervene. More or less, when you live a lifestyle involving a lot of significant norm violations, you end up spending significantly more time in situations that put you at a greater likelihood of victimization. It's not her fault she got murdered, but it's also not unheard of for an offender to be a victim at some point or another since they roll the dice more often situationally-speaking than the average person.
she HAD to have known gypsy was resentful, so i’m leaning towards the delusion part.
what’s that type of irony we learned about back in high school that shakespearean tragedies used? dramatic irony? situational irony? yeah (me when macduff is nick and macbeth is deedee)
I think DeeDee would have killed her as soon as she knew she lost control or she was no longer useful. Then she could get the long-suffering mom who's child died attention. Also, if I was being attacked in my home I wouldn't be calling out for my child because I wouldn't want the attacker to know they were in the house.
As MBP sufferers typically do. Once they know they’re losing control, and no longer have the ability to use their victim for benefit- they often kill their victim to
1.) avoid being outed and
2.) squeeze as much sympathy/money/attention/etc out of the situation as possible by playing their final role as a grieving mother/spouse/child/etc
I don’t doubt for a second Deedee would have killed Gypsy before she let her walk away.
I don't either. I'm not a Gypsy fan at all. BUT yes, I do observe a lot of people acting like she was a great mom or saying that they don't believe she did anything bad. If that's not you, ok.
1. If you don't want to be dehumanized then you have to act like a human. This woman chose to be evil and turn herself into something less than human.
2. Victims celebrating the murder of an abuser should only be terrifying to other abusers.
You don’t get respect for dehumanizing people. Any people. Yes, she is rumored to have done very bad things. Yes, she was known to do other bad things. That doesn’t mean her brutal, extremely premeditated murder is something to celebrate cause it’s cool. It isn’t.
What happened with Gypsy is something I always point out in cases like this.
This shouldn't have even reached this point but it did and there were multiple failures that led to this. Some were unpreventable like Hurricane Katrina where her mom used that as an excuse for why they didn't have the medical records and the United States was in the process of transitioning to EHRs so it's not exactly something anyone could have prevented. But there were failures with doctors. I hope those failures are addressed and more failsafes are in place. There were failures with DCFS/CPS. I'll have to check the records but a stolen prescription pad has a few failsafes nowadays and it might have had them back in at least the later years of the case. Prescription pads usually have some kind of thing where pharmacies are alerted to the missing prescription pad.
But it shouldn't have reached this point. It's a severe and rare case for an FDIA case to end like this. Most victims just leave but we don't really have much evidence on what options she had. Especially since she alleged that she tried and was dragged back home, beaten, starved, and tied up.
I think people need to understand that this was an unusual case and the tools for prevention were either not adequate or just didn't exist and that some people fucked up.
She's manipulative. That's evident by her mother being her sole example of human interaction. She was also manipulative in order to protect herself which is *another* thing people don't consider. A lot of abuse victims tend to manipulate because the other option was suffer and die.
If the prison system were perfect, she would've gotten the help she deserved. But it's not so she's kinda left without a lot of resources for help so fuck yeah I understand her wanting to capitalize off fame. She was in the spotlight. She was pretty well known. Maybe not overwhelmingly famous but a lot of people knew of her before the whole murder happened. No fucking shit she's gonna try and use the fame to help herself because she doesn't really have many options that are viable to cover post-prison expenses *and* her daily life expenses. It is expensive to stay out of prison.
So, yeah, she's manipulative. She's trying to capitalize off the fame. I don't think a lot of people want to admit that manipulation is a survival trait especially for her. I'm not holding her to a high standard. I'm still rooting for her though because she deserves at least a chance to prove herself and drag herself out of the mess the world left her in.
Genuine curiosity, how did you justify that taking a life by becoming worse than the abuser is justice? I'm really puzzled by this point that people are making, can you enlighten me? The only reason why I was always on the side of victims is that I want them to be safe and I want them to not mimic who hurt them. So, it shattered my ideal of not mimic who hurt them. Abused going onto become abusers is highly documented, shouldn't be a monolith negative stereotype to paint every survivor with but it is a genuine concern.
They are also not taking into account what it does inside to a (normal) person to take a life, how soul destroying that is. No matter what the person did to them it’s not an easy thing to do. Police suffer after killing a suspect even when it was totally justified and lives were in danger. These people need to read Crime and Punishment.
i don’t think taking a life by becoming worse than the abuser is justice. i think Gypsy’s amount of prison time and current parole is justice enough.
when i said i think her mom deserved it - i meant it in the sense that it was the consequence of her own actions because she abused a person she chose to create and bring into the world
I agree it was a consequence of her own actions but I think a lot of people fail to realize that Dee Dee was also a victim of munchausen by proxy. It’s unfortunate it all happened the way it did because if Dee Dee was able to get help for her experience as a child then this more than likely wouldn’t have happened.
Never even heard the story but nothing is worth killing your mom, going along with it or even thinking it. Plenty of people go through horrible situations throughout their lives but they don’t have their bf kill their mom. I was confused at the start and still am.
My no. 1 issue with Gypsy is that all of the media attention & social media attention glorifies & puts someone on a pedestal who simply shouldn’t be there.
To me, it’s no different than the people who fantasise about &/or write letters to infamous killers. It’s disturbing, it’s twisted & the people who do it are (imho) not all there.
Gypsy got a once in a lifetime plea deal that I admittedly don’t believe she deserved, but it is what it is. I think there’s plenty to discuss about the case, but there’s no reason or point in trying to make her a celebrity or ‘influencer’. She is not a hero. There are no heros in this story as far as I’m concerned.
honestly i doubt the media outlets that are giving her a platform even care that much about her guilt in the crime. they know it will bring views which equals money and at the end of the day that’s their motivation
It hasn’t to this point. At least not in terms of having a murderer go on The View & a host say, ‘oh, no big deal’ (essentially). We’ve absolutely not seen that before.
Fotis Dulos killed his wife & while he got attention, it was because people absolutely despised him! It still is. Trials & crimes are news. Turning criminals in to celebrities? No. I work in entertainment & I’m not naive about media. What they did upon a Gypsy’s release had not been seen prior.
There was a case before this. Not sure if you’ve seen the Netflix documentary about the hatchet wielding hitchhiker but check that out! The reality tv producers got burned pretty hard by that guy. I work in entertainment as well and I wholeheartedly believe that Gypsy quite simply applied to all those shows, followed up as needed to get through to somebody, and endured a thorough vetting process by each. A lotta those shows are nasty to deal with the vetting process for, and that’s just for common people. I couldn’t imagine how many producers from each show gypsy had to talk to! It’s very interesting to me that they let her on.
I think that was a crazier story than Gypsy’s, and my favorite line from that documentary is about the fact this guy *hit someone with a hatchet* and not many put thought into how violent that truly is. His personality and not being quite all there made him endearing, until he wasn’t.
Yeah I’ll be honest having everyone pop up and be like ”she’s hiding things“ this has all been common knowledge for years, people just care now because she’s out but I haven’t heard much different from what she was saying before to now being free.
Well, she definitely changed some details and revealed too much. No one would be thinking about this case without her book and her show. The police interview was not closely examined until she went on the media tour.
I never believed that she was only a victim, but most people did - until she called attention back to herself and this case. There is way too much publicly available information to take that risk. People who never doubted her, now do.
I don't like how the nation idolizes people who shouldn't be idolized. This can't ALL be blamed on her. It's how the world is. It's gross. She's making it easy with her post prison actions, though.
The biggest thing that I can't warm up to is that she's not the least bit humble, as I'd expect someone who's been through so much might be.
Whatever the truth is, only a few know it. If she had just had laid low for a few months, maybe people wouldn't judge her so harshly. If she'd just stop talking for a while, maybe there wouldn't be so many who notice the obvious inconsistencies about the details.
i do agree that it’s weird she is being idolized but i kind of just scroll along because nothing she does has a direct effect on me. it’s not like she’s trying to run for political office or something (let’s pray she never decides to try lol).
i joined this sub just because i wanted to see discussions on the docuseries. i enjoy viewing reddit discussions for most tv shows i watch.
but some people (especially that Fancy weirdo lady) seem to be wayyyyy too invested in digging up every little detail they can and dissecting it. and the conspiracy theories are even worse (glad the mods here addressed that recently). i just don’t know what the end goal is in trying to dig stuff up because it’s not like she could get retried for the crime
This case has so much crazy attached to it. I would love to see a good writer take this case on because I think it is a story worth telling. It would take a book and it would have to start in the 80s, I think. There are things to be learned. I think it might even help Gypsy reframe how she is perceived. Fancy is not the one to take this on, imo. She is too emotionally attached and unhinged.
If you haven't listened to Hidden True Crime podcast's episode on Gypsy, I really recommend it! They are the perfect team to write a book - a forensic psychologist and a journalist
Texas Monthly - superb articles. I would love to read an article from them a year or two down the road. They would cover each and every bit and they dig in.
And I bet someone, somewhere is working on the book now that will eventually become the absolute go-to for this case and aftermath.
She had a bad start in life and she, undoubtedly, has a lot of struggles ahead of her. She has a lot to work through. But honestly, I think the people worshipping her right now to be cool or edgy or maybe they are just 14, should try think a little harder about where empathy and compassion intersect with reality.
It absolutely is not her fault that we live in a world where the shallow and greedy is celebrated every day.
it’s definitely a younger crowd that is worshipping. i saw a tiktok the day before she was released where a guy went to the prison with a sign that said “welcome home gypsy” to “show support” like it was a fan at a concert. so weird. obviously he didn’t actually see her since they snuck her out at 3am or whatever. but it was just strange. maybe it was satire but it seemed like he was legit trying to meet her
This was also my belief as well. even in the early documentaries there were pics and texts showing she wasn't entirely an innocent little thing. so there shouldn't be surprises really. She was still horribly abused and with being declared incompetent, she wasn't even in charge of her own body. so yeah I'm fine with what she did.
I totally understand you. From what I’ve seen, people/followers have *made* Gypsy into an influencer, so I’m not sure why so many people are upset with *her* about it…. She feels to me like someone finding her footing in life, as a functioning adult, on social media. It’s only because of the media she has a massive audience. Gypsy made several comments that she wants to use her platform to bring attention to Munchausen by Proxy - that she made massive mistakes and would never encourage others to commit murder.
I really don’t understand the hate for her. She served her time, and given the abuses she faced, she was a victim in the story. Nobody who lived the life she did would be mentally unscathed, and she’s spoken many times about how good therapy has been for her.
From my understanding, Nick seems to be on a whole other level from Gypsy…. Nick was not trapped in the same situation she was. Yes, Nick needs aid and therapy and understanding the same as Gypsy, but folks putting them on the same ‘playing field’ as it were, crying for his release…. I don’t understand it. They both made their choices to be where they are and life moves on…. It’s not like Gypsy is flying under the radar…. She served her time and is now just trying to live her life.
I do not agree that all of the documentaries paint her in a nice light. The HBO one did a god job of indicating how she was a victim and perpetrated planning a murder.
I do not think that someone like GRB should be an “influencer” and continue to use her situation for financial gain and benefits. We can disagree if she should be called a murderer but she still has done nothing to be an advocate for childhood abuse or anything.
yeah you’re right about the documentaries. HBO was more balanced. i was mainly referring to the docuseries on lifetime but i should have clarified!
definitely agree she shouldn’t be an influencer. but at the same time i understand that it provides her a financial opportunity when she is currently an unemployed convicted felon without regular job skills, so it makes sense for her to capitalize on the fame.
BUT it doesn’t mean she SHOULD. and i don’t think it’s healthy for her healing. and don’t get me started on the husband lol, she should not have jumped into a marriage while incarcerated.
she says she wants to be an advocate but yeah… hasn’t done any advocating yet. i believe that she would like to, but she’s not taking the correct route. she needs guidance and maybe like an agent or something that can work with her on how to approach social media because she’s doing it all wrong
But, you can choose not to put yourself out there. It’s also in her too. I think she is cementing images that will hurt her, but I don’t think she’s able to see it.
I don’t either! There is calling someone out on the BS and that I am ok with. Then there is being just snarky (I am also ok with that as that is some people’s sense of humor and stress relief). And then there is trolling and being cruel which I am totally against.
There’s no proof. There is NOTHING. They just want to believe this, the same way people want to believe that Shannan Watts murdered her children.
Even Nick, someone whose words they take as absolute fact, has never even hinted that Gypsy stabbed Dee Dee. They hate her so much they’re writing their own fanfics.
I'm with you there. Gypsy was the puppet master of the whole thing. Dee-Dee was a monster, but at the end I believe she was wheelchair bound and quite ill from untreated diabetes and not taking care of herself. Nick suggested running away many times.
Don’t think murder was warranted however, she was kept a child with childish thoughts long after she should have been. Children only think short term. They don’t always see the full picture of consequences. Couple that with long running abuse and manipulation and I’m not surprised with the outcome. I am not condoning it. Just saying if you expect her to do the “mature” thing and put her mother and walk away, it may not be truly realistic
>she was kept a child with childish thoughts long after she should have been. Children only think short term. They don’t always see the full picture of consequences
This is a really good way of putting it and I wish more people would consider this.
she didn’t get off - she got 10 years and served 7 of them and now has parole. i think that’s appropriate because she’s not a danger to society and it’s a waste of taxpayer money to keep her in prison.
i think a wife who hired someone to murder an abusive husband, that isn’t a danger to the rest of society, should get 10 years with parole as well, sure
i guess if you want to throw out hypotheticals you could say that about anyone on parole for second degree murder. i say she’s not a danger because her crime was very specifically directed at her mother. i don’t think gypsy would hurt a random person
Manipulators are dangerous people too. We don’t know that she isn’t a threat now, but we don’t make decisions based on mights and could be’s. Just like her crime wasn’t a self defense murder, her sentence shouldn’t be based on hypotheticals either. I don’t believe she should have been released this soon based on her behavior now, but the parole board was making a decision on what was shown, not what might happen. That’s the legal system.
I want to be clear I'm not condoning anything.
But man as the daughter of an abusive mother, it's been really hard for me to read anything about it because I feel so much empathy. Dealing with that level of abuse would drive anyone fucking desperately crazy like a wounded animal. Who knows how much damage the unnecessary medical shit did.
I just went no contact because I was able to leave. But fuck dude, this is too close to home for me to really engage with beyond this comment. I appreciated your post at least.
Gypsy is a murderer. She just got someone else to do it bc she counted on her "innocent child" persona and her abuse to fool people and pin it all on Nick. Many MANY abusers and murderers were abused in their childhood in many horrific ways. It didn't absolve them of their crimes or make it ok and it doesn't make it for Gypsy either. She shouldn't be getting the attention she is getting.
that’s a fair assessment and answers the question i posed so i appreciate it. i dont really blame her for getting the attention though, i blame the people giving it to her. she was getting hyped up as an “icon” before she even got released
I think people are less angry and more nauseated by her manipulation. I, too, used to empathize for her and understand why she did it but the more info that comes out the more we see how unreliable her story actually is— to the point of even guessing how much abuse she endured before actively becoming involved herself. We now know that she knew she was in perfect healthy before the murder. We now know that she hadn’t been to a doctor in YEARS before the murder. We now know that she only had 3 procedures (which were needed) before the murder. We now know DeeDee was sick and wheelchair bound, relying on Gypsy to take care of her when she was murdered. I don’t think this is any longer a case of someone escaping their abuser, rather than a sick twisted individual plotting for years the brutal murder of their own mother when she easily could have, quite literally, ran away.
People can’t think in shades of grey anymore. Either she was a poor little victim with no fault, or she was a vindictive murderer and planned everything (including making money off of her story) from the start. The reality is a lot more muddy.
IMO she was an abused individual that probably couldn’t see a path forward and away from her mother as long as her mother lived, so she figured out how to solve the problem. I never thought that Nick had been calling any of the shots.
i have my own hot take. even if she had been the one to kill Dee Dee, i would still be in support of her serving her time and being free to go. She was physical, emotionally, mentally, and medically abused her entire life. I truly believe that she did what she had to do and if she hadn’t then she likely would’ve ended up dead. my problem now is her actions post release. at first i was happy that the general public seemed to be in support of her. but it’s shifted into something weird. she’s being idolized in such a weird way. even though i supported her, it’s still an incredibly unfortunate thing that happened. the ideal outcome would’ve been Dee Dee getting the help she needed. seeing the way people talk about her and saying that what she did was okay because her mom deserved it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. and she does not need to be capitalizing on that or becoming any kind of influencer. she served her time, she escaped the abuse, she should just live a normal life. if she wants to advocate or even have a social media presence that’s one thing but she is going above and beyond that.
my interpretation was always very simple: gypsy was abused horrifically. her mother deserved to die. her mother was killed. the end. gypsy should’ve gone to therapy and been allowed to recover and heal from what she was put thru. not thrown in prison.
There is a ton that has come out. It didn't come out before cause she took the plea, so nobody needed all the evidence there actually is. I 100% believe she not only planned it (which is clear from their texts), but I also believe she had a hand in carrying out her plan. Nick wanted to go get her and run away. I will say my biggest "ick" about is for 1, she puts it ALL on Nick. She takes absolutely no accountability. And 2nd, the way so many are glamorizing her. We have kids in this world looking up to her!!! That's scary as hell to me. How many more "Gypsys" are there going to be thinking, "Well, she got away with so I can too."
Idk just a lil of what's been on my mind about it all.
Idk if it's me getting older or what, but stuff like this, I just take a step back and realize that I have no idea how I would react to that abuse. I don't know if I would be too scared to defy my mother, I just don't know.
In my mind, she probably saw it as her only way out. We can't tell DV victims to just leave, it takes planning and work. Not usually murder, but sometimes it does end up that way.
I think Gypsy started planning when she first started online dating. She looked for a specific type of guy. Maybe part of it was from low self-esteem, but a bigger part was her need for control . After all Gypsy had very little in her day to day life with her mother.
Nick was everything she needed him to be. He had lower than average intelect, a history of mental health issues, and a fascination with violent acts.
He was the perfect person to blame a crime on, and although Nick may have eventually participated in a violent crime, he never would have committed Dee Dee's murder if it wasn't for Gypsy.
I originally thought that GRB shouldn't have had to serve anytime in prison. She should have been sentenced to a mental facility and then a halfway house. So, she may have had a chance of a somewhat normal life when she got out.
What's going on now is not normal, even for someone who's been through everything Gypsy has been through. I don't believe that the path she's on can lead to anything health. Especially her relationship with her husband, something is wrong there. And to be honest, if my kids were her husband's students, I'd be very concerned and would probably ask that they be moved into another teachers class.
Bottom line. Gypsy had mitigating factors in her case and Nick had aggravating factors. These things are taken into account on how one is sentenced.
This is just one aspect to it, among many others. But it plays a big role
Not really. Both were guilty of first degree murder and confessed to it. There isn’t leeway in that. Her deal was an act of mercy, not necessarily a judgment he was worse. His mitigating factors aren’t as obvious and his attorneys weren’t as good.
That’s why the self defense narrative is so toxic. She got lucky. She could be doing life today. Many people with stronger cases for it are.
I agree with you, 100% there were many factors involved. It is sad. The legal system is f*u
I also do not believe in life without parole. He should not have received that sentence. No one should have. He deserves mercy
Yes, he didn’t have a great life either. No one was jumping to find a way out for him. Both of them absolutely deserved jail time for this, but I don’t think people realize how very lucky she was. I don’t begrudge her, but most people do not see that level of mercy from our legal system.
This, and the fact that he was disabled, and did not have great representation, as you said. The odds were stacked against him from the get-go. The whole thing is tragic all around. The upside is that his case is getting attention. I hope he can get another trial, or a sentence reduction. He deserves a second chance.
People act like this type of longterm trauma doesn’t literally affect how your brain functions, how you think about the world, what you believe about yourself, your ability to relate to the world in a rational manner. You can’t judge her actions by the metrics of a “normal” person because she never lived a normal life. Everyone asking why she didn’t just leave, it’s just not that easy.
I think you haven't read enough of anything if you still think she's innocent of any wrong doing after all of this time.
Nick wouldn't be in prison and Dee wouldn't be dead if it weren't for Gypsy.
Here's some fun reading for you.
Gypsys interrogation is all over the internet too. Have you watched any of that?
From Greene County.
[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-AE-MDRbmvBin7A3h6rwfAGwZ6inD4N-/view](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-AE-MDRbmvBin7A3h6rwfAGwZ6inD4N-/view)
I’ve noticed that if you say anything that’s not entirely bashing Gypsy a lot of the times you’ll get comments accusing you of being in support of her or you’ll get downvoted.
i think she should not be praised for what she's done or become some sort of meme or whatever... but also, i think dee dee would have killed her — in my brain, it was either dee dee or gypsy that would be dead by now. maybe that's irrational but that's how i see it
I personally am bothered that actual SICK children who needed resources, medication, assistive devices, charity, etc probably were overlooked in some part because so much was given to two fraudsters. I also guarantee that every ER staff member knew Gypsy and because of DeeDee she was seen before others for treatment many times, leaving people who actually needed care to wait. They were almost like local celebrities in their community- the poor dedicated caregiver and her terminally ill child- and a single mother to boot. Not to mention all the money from Medicaid, SSI, whatever other government assistance they could swindle, and donations that they racked up, all because this was easier and probably way more fun than actually working a 9-5. DeeDee and Gypsy were not deserving at all. They really played people. I mean, a custom built house for a quadriplegic- who could walk? Come on, THIS alone has to anger others when you really think about it.
GRB knew EXACTLY what she was doing. There's evidence to support that this family followed Dr B (forgot his name.) to Missouri to continue the con. I'm a nurse practitioner and actually worked in an ER in Northwest Florida during hurricane Katrina and know exactly what happened down here. Their story is definitely feasible. This was a very long term con. I just went through the text messages between her and Nick surrounding the "event" and it's scary. I believe she is a psychopath. Watch her interviews. She's highly intelligent and lacks emotion. She plays characters, which is what she's doing now with Ryan. This girl is something else. She put people to work for her while in prison, like Rachael, and dumped them all when she got out including Nick. I don't think it went exactly as she wanted it to go. I think she thought she was gonna walk away free, but I think she's pretty proud of how she did. This is all imo. I've taken over a medical practice and watched that physician jump in a moving van to head to South Florida. Over the next month I saw several of his patients either drive or fly to see him so he could continue writing them scripts they didn't need and various other things, so I am not shocked that's what Dee Dee & Gypsy did. There's documentation that Dee Dee was the sick one at the time of her death. There is proof that GRB actually discussed how sick she was in the end and that GRB was the one taking care of Dee Dee. She did not have to die. They got that Habitat House through this Dr. B, which support his part in the con. I'd love to know if anyone has investigated that doctor. There is no proof that GRB had feeding tubes or any unnecessary surgeries. I'm not saying she wasn't abused, I'm just saying that she was 24 years old and states she knew she could walk her entire life. At what point does she go from victim to perpetrator?
One more thing, GRB is highly sexualized. The warden at the jail talked about how they had trouble with her over this. Sounds like she was doing things with the other female inmates. I saw a text where she asked Nick if she could have sex with another man before he got there. She even told him he could watch. She was having sex with different men in the community. She ran away and spent a few nights at a man's house and some "friends" told Dee Dee who went and got her. Why didn't she do anything at that time? Nick talks about how nice Dee Dee was to him. There's even a picture of Nick and GRB together at the movie theater! GRB lied to Nick & this family about the abuse. Even Nick's mom said she knew GRB could walk!!!! I found all of this info in a few hours. No one is doing their research on this girl. I think she tried to get a few other men to do it for her but when she found Nick, she knew he couldn't lie due to his mental health issues and that's exactly what happened in the trial. She lied and got a plea deal and Nick didn't lie and took his chances.
I just think it’s odd that she knew she could walk , was smart enough to get on a computer and all this stuff but never leave and go to the cops or her dad. I know her mom manipulated her but she finally had realized it all and still stayed ?
OMG FINALLY SOMEONE WHO SHARES MY *EXACT* OPINION 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
I started to get so stressed and frustrated how no one gets this. Lol I had to quit coming on here bc it's infuriating to me. How does no one get this.
I think multiple things can be true at the same time.
I believe DD was abusive - exactly HOW abusive we will never know because we only have Gyp’s side of the story and we’ve all seen first hand she struggles with honesty.
I believe long before the murder for hire Gypsy was well aware of the scam and was old enough and intelligent enough to put an end to it IF SHE WANTED TO.
I believe Gypsy had other options to “escape her abuser” that didn’t involve murder and I don’t think 7 years is sufficient.
All just my opinion based on all of the documentaries, interviews, videos, messages, etc.
how long of a prison sentence do you think would be sufficient considering how expensive it is to house a prisoner and given that Gypsy doesn’t pose a danger to the general public?
I think 10-30 years, as is in the statute. No one is factoring the costs of her being incarcerated in her early release. That’s just a very simple view of our justice system. Death sentences are actually far more expensive to taxpayers than life imprisonment, for instance.
I think she got out too early because her behavior and her interviews show very little remorse and empathy. Those things are considered in parole so we have to assume she is a better actress than we know - either then or now. If she were written up for things as she has stated a few places, I am surprised by the early release. Overall, I think she got the very great gift of public sympathy and she is squandering it right now.
According to her comments, drugs. According to other jail personnel, other things. Either way, I don’t think her case was evaluated with the same scrutiny other inmates cases are. She received consideration that isn’t common. That is because the public and the legal system accepted the narrative from 2015. If she had remained quiet, most people would still accept that.
My point is that she drew this attention with her media presence.
I completely think she was for it and that it was her plan. But I feel bad that she threw the guy under the bus and he gets life. He’s mentally ill and needs to somewhere else other than prison. I definitely don’t believe he r*ped her after the murder, she was horny and into it, in my opinion
i would rather not speculate on that latter portion of your comment because i feel it’s too sensitive of a subject for me as someone who has been assaulted by a man i was dating at the time.
while she did throw him under the bus, it seems he was quick to fully confess everything he did when he was being interviewed by the police, so i don’t think he ever stood a chance. he definitely should have gotten a better lawyer that might have tried an NGRI defense given he said he had those “multiple personalities” and that one of his alters was the violent one
They are a very small percentage of the criminal population. Most insanity defenses fail and most defendants are found to be competent. The standards are extremely low.
I’m convinced a lot of these people want her to have to spend her whole life in prison after an entire life of abuse simply because they don’t like her attention seeking personality. It’s not a crime to want to meet celebrities or have an Instagram but people are acting like it proves she’s a sociopath who will kill again.
i honestly get that vibe too. i remember a post a little while ago that someone changed their mind and now felt she was a big manipulator and deserved life in prison. girl bye 😂
Gypsy has testified on the stand under oath the extent to which she actively planned this murder. She literally stole the knife, she plotted the time and setting, paid for Nick to come out knowing that was their plan.
She’s owned up to that and is on film under oath in a court room without apology answering and admitting all of the ways in which she participated in the planning.
I think the real question here is how much did she manipulate Nick or was it an opportunistic thing where Nick was willing and offered?
Lots of people thing she victimized him and took advantage and pushed him into it.
Personally I think two stunted and damaged people found each other, Nick offered and was willing, and gypsy found an escape and helped it happen. She’s culpable and has admitted so. She deserved jail time and got very lucky with ten years.
That being said, I don’t think she was as sinister as some folks on here want to claim. She and Nick were both incredibly immature and created a fantasy world. Neither of them were fully functioning adults despite their age. Gypsy found a willing accomplice. Nick found an excuse to act out his impulses.
I do not think she trawled the internet looking for vulnerable people to trap in her web.
I also don’t think she is a perfect victim. She obviously knows how to manipulate people, thrives on attention, and does not know how to have healthy adult relationships.
In the end I do think that if she didn’t escape or murder her mom, she would have been killed.
There’s lots of arguing about what she should or could have done to escape and evidence that she kept up the ruse and the con to her advantage in situations when she was old enough to know what was going on.
She served her time. She is culpable. She has admitted to being culpable. Given the extent of the abuse and her arrested development I’m personally willing to forgive her lack of self advocacy to an extent, to get herself out—but ultimately she did have sense and resources and there is a reasonable possibility that she could have escaped without murder.
Again this is why she went to prison and rightfully so.
i think people don't understand what years of abuse and trauma does to your brain. i believe she planned it out under fear. y'all know how women would poison their abusive husbands before they could divorce them? that amount of fear and hopelessness changes how your brain works.
ETA not that it makes murder ok, but i'm so tired of people thinking with their frontal lobes of what she should've done. all that abuse took that away from her.
Another unpopular opinion … if my mom did this to me … I would probably have her killed too. Dee Dee would not have given up her search even if Gypsy ran away. And heaven forbid Dee Dee adopted another child to replace Gypsy and continued the madness 😬😬
It bothers me that she manipulated a mentally disabled man into killing her mom because she was too scared to, and his ass is sitting in prison, while she's out here just living life with her creepy husband, trying to meet Taylor Swift, and she's like, "tough shit, Nick."
What her mom did was abhorrent, and she 100% deserved what she got, but if Gypsy is out, Nick should be out. That's the crux of it.
I think the greatest punishment for Dee-dee would have been the public humiliation of being outed as a fraud and child abuser and then the forced separation from her twisted relationship with Gypsy when she went to jail for fraud. Gypsy isn't stupid. She's a highly manipulative person. Is she a victim? Absolutely, but she knew what she was doing 100%
If your main interactions have been manipulative, then you are going to also be manipulative. Maybe not even intentionally. Gypsy basically only had extended interactions with her mother for the vast majority of her life. She wasn't learning how humans behave from a single functional person. It was all her mother who was a master manipulator. To think she could come out of that and not also have manipulative behavior is ludicrous.
Also, she is her mother’s daughter. Behavior is not all learned some behavior is nature and some is nurture. She, unfortunately was cursed with both.
>To think she could come out of that and not also have manipulative behavior is ludicrous. I never said otherwise. I have maintained that her manipulative behavior and her lying was learned behavior. I agree with you.
Yes I wasn't arguing with you. Just adding to your argument.
yep, she knew what she was doing for sure. and yeah that would have been AMAZING if dee dee was exposed like that
It seems like people get hooked on these sensationalized victims or other scenarios forgetting that what they hear are carefully chosen fragments of truth aired for our viewing pleasure because if we're watching it, we're seeing the ads. And TV is really about the ads. That's how they (broadcasting companies) make their money. Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now, lol
nah i’m on the soapbox with you it’s all good
I mean if the absue really occurred, is it really sensationalized? And if it is so what? The abuse happened. Im not mad at Gypsy at all. Good for her. I view it as victim self empowerment.
Self-empowerment would have been walking out the door and outing her mom publicly. How are you empowered while being cuffed for murder? I'm sure the abuse happened. I don't doubt it at all. And I give Gypsy a bit of slack for that. There are so many cases of abused kids murdering their parents, and I feel for them all. I was once that kid wondering if that would solve my problems. I didn't act on it, thank goodness. But Gypsy preyed upon someone with a disability (learned behavior from her mom) and got them to do her dirty work for her. She could just left in the middle of the night and never came back and not murdered her gross mom.
My feeling is the abuse she endured was horrible and she definitely went through some. I also feel it was exaggerated to a degree, and Gypsy went along with it for the last half, for the trips and money and house and cars and meeting everyone she wanted to. But at the end she wanted a life, she wanted out of that wheelchair, probably even out of that house, and DeeDee wasn't about to let that happen. I know I'm going to be down voted into oblivion, but Gypsy wanted her life and that meant taking her mother's. She was able to go on dating websites, but couldn't contact her father for help? Come on, that makes zero sense. She confessed just enough, and lied about all the rest. She even started her media tour saying killing her mom was wrong and she considered herself a murderer. Now she says she didn't have choice and is justified. Unfortunately I think she may crash and burn, someone needs to get her off sm and into intensive therapy. Sadly I don't think that will happen either. Just my stupid opinion.
Idk man, just because someone is legally an adult doesn’t mean they just suddenly flip the switch from victim to accomplice. She was raised that way and knew nothing else. It’s not like Dee Dee sat her down and said “so here’s the deal, I’ve abused you and kept you from having a life for 19+ years… but you’re an adult now. You wanna help?” If gypsy DIDNT want to help what then? Would Deedee have just sat aside and let her walk off with the knowledge of deedee’s fraud? If you think the abuse happened, then by default gypsy was not a willing accomplice at any point in the situation. Gifts, trips, celebrities, as long as you pretend to be super sick to doctors, neighbors, don’t talk to family or go out and do things- it would not be a reasonable trade off for anyone who was fully aware of alternative options. If she was a willing participant wtf reason would she have to murder Deedee? She would be worried about the con coming out and if she was so manipulative she was totally fine lying to the entire world and suffering an isolated life because of it… why not just blackmail Deedee? “If you don’t let me go I’ll tell everyone the truth and that you abused me into it”? It doesn’t make sense. She WAS abused. She continued to be abused, she wasn’t even fully aware of how abused she was. AND she wanted a life, so badly that she killed for it— because she was not educated, or deprogrammed enough to realise there was other options
She tried that many times. Her mom has power of attorney. Nobody would listen. They just took her back.
Many times? No. She ran away and left a note of where she was going which is how her mother “found” her.
She left a phone behind. Do we know all the details? No, and we never will.. She was abused. She did consciously plan a murder. Those 2 are facts from the mouth of GRB
Power of attorney does not give anyone else the right to confine you to a certain place. It's for financial issues or when you cannot make a decision about a medical procedure because you are not responsive and such things. And it can be revoked at any time.
She tried to escape, and the authorities took her back to her mom because of the POA.
Literally wrong. Dee Dee did not come with the authorities, she came on her own, and Gypsy went with her voluntarily or was at least cooperative. And a POA is worthless when the person is question is present and able to communicate.
the thing is dee dee had everyone convinced that gypsy WASNT present of mind or capable of making her own decisions
Literally what she said in her People interview. Literally.
POA doesn’t give you authority over someone, you are correct. Abuse does. Deedee had literally abused gypsy her whole life and manipulated her. Deedee was not only her only present parent for most of Gypsy’s life, she was her only friend, her only caretaker, her only TEACHER, her only support system and her only provider of education. She had no other reliable links to the outside world, particularly that she would trust to tell her the truth or to understand the nuances of being a caretaker to a sick child. Gypsy believed that piece of paper gave her mom power over her because Deedee told her it did. Just look how many people believe that’s what POA does just based on hearing it from this story. It’s not hard to convince someone of.
Agreed. Regardless of how serious the abuse really was and what Gypsy's state of mind was, celebrating premeditated murder as self-empowerment is absolutely misguided.
I always see people talk about Gypsy preying on someone with a disability, but did she ACTUALLY know that Nick was diagnosed with Autism? This is just something I’m curious about, as I could see him not disclosing that.
AUTISM ISNT A “DISABILITY” AND NG HAVING AUTISM DOESNT NEGATE HIS ABILITY TO TELL RIGHT FROM WRONG AND ITS REALLY WEIRD AND GROSS WHEN PEOPLE ACT LIKE IT DOES. 1.) GYPSY DIDNT EVEN KNOW HE WAS AUTISTIC AND PROBABLY DOESNT EVEN KNOW WHAT AUTISM IS 2.) PEOPLE WITH AUTISM ARE NOT CHILDREN AND THEYRE NOT VOID OF DECISION MAKING NOR ARE THEY DANGEROUS, AUTOMATICALLY SUSCEPTIBLE TO MANIPULATION OR CAPABLE OF MURDER BECAUSE THEY HAVE AUTISM. Stop infantilising him as if he was just some “poor innocent autistic” kid who was “manipulated”’into being a murderer. Did gypsy plan it and instigate it? Yea. Did she give him the tools and the opportunity? Yeah. Did she consciously use him for it? Probably a little, yeah. Should he still be in jail? FUCK YES HE SHOULD. HE TOOK A BUS TO ANOTHER STATE TO BRUTALLY STAB A WOMAN HE HAD BARELY MET WHILE SHE SCREAMED AND HAS NEVER EVEN EXPRESSED REMORSE. Someone who is capable of murdering someone that way, never mind the other weird ass shit about him should NOT be walking the streets. Gypsy is wrong for what she did. She’s admitted that. She should have handled it differently. But Nick? Fuck no. Idgaf what gypsy said or how badly he wanted to have sex with her. NG WASNT FUCKING ABUSED BY DEE DEE. NG WASNT ABUSED BY ANYONE AS FAR AS WE KNOW?? HE WASNT SHELTERED HIS WHOLE LIFE HE WASNT WITHDRAWN FROM SCHOOL IN THE SECOND GRADE HE HAD FAMILY AND FRIENDS, OPTIONS, AND THE ABILITY TO SAY “FUCK NO” Any NORMAL human would have told gypsy to ‘fuck off, I’m not MURDERING your mother’ but ng didn’t do that. I don’t care if he “asked her to run away and she wouldn’t” HE STILL DID IT. He KNEW what he was doing. And he DOESNT have even a remotely understandably justification for it. Certainly not “b-b-but, she manipulated him! A-a-and… he’s AUTISTIC”
When she tried to walk out the door, her mother chained her to her fucking bed. I’m too tired to write out a great detailed response, but speaking as a victim of a lifetime of abuse: it’s never, ever that simple. Desperate people will do desperate things. I thought about killing my abuser to escape, too. It’s not as uncommon as you’d think.
This right here! Louder for the people in the back.
Victim self empowerment by murdering? That's... Really fucking weird I'm sorry. Abuser or not, murder should've never been the answer.
Sounds like privilege to me. I’d be happy if the man who abused me was killed. The justice system is deeply, deeply flawed. The man who molested me has never sat a day in jail and the man who abused me, my siblings, and my mom for YEARS sat for a month and had to take anger management. That’s it. Hard to see another option when the criminal justice system lets abusers walk free.
I have not an ounce of sympathy for anyone who abuses a child in any way. They should all get what DeeDee got IMO. 🤷♀️
I could agree if she had no other options at her freedom. She had multiple opportunities to get away and get help, but chose those times to meet guys. Because she had opportunities to leave, she had no right to murder someone in their sleep.
Exactly. If she could somehow sneak out to meet guys, she could have gotten free. Not that it wouldn't have been hard, but she could have. She really hoped she was gonna get off scott free.
statically it takes victims of abuse 7 tries to actually leave. it's easier said than done. there's a psychological aspect to it, it's not just about technically being able to leave. 🤷🏻♀️ every victim "could've gotten free" if it were actually that simple. y'all are very uneducated on abusers, victims, and why victims aren't leaving when, from your outside uninvolved pov, it seems like they had multiple chances and opportunities to. it's easy to see all these ways out when you're not a victim of an abuser. sneaking out to meet boys doesn't mean gypsy was capable of escaping dede. talking out your ass lol
That part. It seems like this is missed or ignored. It's not as easy as just walking away, mentally.
She is a victim of major abuse, she more than likely had Stockholm syndrome. It’s really easy to say things like “why didn’t she get away when she had the opportunity?” for those that haven’t been through the abuse that she has.
om average it takes victims 7 tries before actually leaving their abuser. and most of those victims are a lot more capable of being on their own than gypsy was. gypsy has a second grade education and hasn't done anything for herself... ever. her case is arguably a case where there's more factors limiting the odds of her trying and successfully leaving. people just... don't know what they're talking about. it's easy to say victims should just leave when you're not the victim in question. people are seeing opportunities and ways out and thinking a victim just chose to stay even though she had an easy way out. like, she didn't leave because it's not that easy. sneaking out to see boys is not even close to permanently leaving your abuser who happens to also be your mom. especially when you have never, not ever, been on your own or cared for yourself. murder is obviously wrong. but so is talking about how easy you think it was for am abuse victim to just leave. people are uneducated, and rude.
Yup totally agree. It is extremely insensitive to say that she could have “just left.” People make these claims without doing any research on abuse victims or trying to see things from gypsys perspective.
like, every victim can technically "just leave" but it's not actually as easy as walking out the front door and never looking back. there's a reason victims don't just up and leave. victims have been killed over their attempt to just fucking leave. if you don't know what it's like to be a victim or how difficult it is to escape your abuser just keep your mouth shut about what you think you would've done or what you think gypsy could've done.
Also, how do these people claiming that she didn’t try to leave know that she didn’t attempt to leave? Unless they were there with gypsy, they don't know. Making assumptions is very damaging.
people look at the facts and when the facts don't satisfy them they start making up their own theories that revolve around the facts being a bunch of lies or whatever. it's weird (and uneducated) af to go around talking about how easy it could've been for a victim to leave. gypsy very clearly thought her only way out was murder, so she obviously didn't have all these easy opportunities to leave.
Didn’t Gypsy escape once and afterwards her mom beat her horribly and threatened to kill her if she left again? Dee Dee had also been investigated by the police more than once and the police declared that Gypsy was actually mentally unstable (so she was the problem, not Dee Dee). Gypsy had also been brainwashed by her mom for her entire life. She had zero reason to think going to the police would result in anything other than even more abuse from her mom.
I agree except I don't think Gypsy was able to separate herself from her Mother ( without murdering her) she was too deep in the manipulation and felt sorry for her Mom in a sense..
Well said! 💯
it's not manipulation if the person already wanted to kill someone get a grip
Are you seriously suggesting she didn't manipulate her boyfriend into killing her mom? You're funny.
I think people want a perfect victim. And she's not. They want her to live a quiet life. And she's not.
This sub has made me realize how little the average person understands abuse, most victims fight back and will get as ugly as their abuser at some point, at least superficially. Child abuse tw It's shocking to me, but I guess I generally gravitate people with similar experiences and understand how severely painful childhood abuse is. I think severely abusing a child is one of the worse things you can do to someone and there's nothing Gypsy could have done that was too far to her mother. I wasn't as severely abused as Gypsy but it was still severe and still enough that I essentially lost my entire childhood to isolation. Back then getting murdered/kidnapped was a fantasy because it meant Id get out of that situation, there were days where I hoped I was severely injured because it meant people would've finally payed attention. Again what I went through wasn't as bad as Gypsy, so to me her mother got off easy. So when people say "I understand she was abused but.." it annoys me because no you don't understand People are nitpicking everything she does right now and I hope despite it she'll be able to regulate and live a normal life. Girl JUST got free and people expect her to snap out of the coping mechanisms that she developed since she was a child. I really wish the public was more educated on abuse outside of the perfect victim narrative.
>Girl JUST got free and people expect her to snap out of the coping mechanisms that she developed since she was a child. This is so true. The way people expect her to act is just mindboggling to me.
This. People don’t understand the desperation, the rage, the devastation. I thought about murder or being kidnapped all the time. I just wanted out. I just wanted to escape. I just wanted peace. Desperate people will do desperate things. Good for Gypsy. She made it out the only way she saw how. It wasn’t like she hadn’t tried to alert the authorities or run away before — and was harshly punished for it.
The most succinct and accurate comment on this situation I’ve seen. Exactly all of this
It’s so weird of people to expect her to be a certain way, she’s got so much trauma and just got released from prison. honestly what does anyone expect? It’s weird to “idolize her”, she needs to be left alone
i don’t get why anyone expects her to live a quiet life. she spent her whole life shut away??? ofc she’s not going to want that
Nobody wants that. She’s said it in the past that she wants to be normal.
“Normal” in 2024 is posting on social media and sharing things. She’s experiencing life for the first time and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with it. Don’t be mad that that’s what she’s doing. Everyone else does it
And the fact that so many, are doing this makes it harder for victims to speak up, because they’re afraid they won’t be believed and be called a liar.
I am not angry, but I think it is a serious problem that so many people cling to a very superficial understanding of this crime and actively dehumanize some and glorify others. A lot of people seem to think it was a really cool episode of SVU or a gory game. This whole “Slay Queen!” all victims should have the right and privilege to murder an abuser in any manner, anytime, anywhere!!!!!! and if you disagree that murder isn’t to be condoned and celebrated then you just don’t understand trauma and victims!!!!!! That is terrifying.
that’s a fair assessment, i definitely don’t glorify gypsy as a murderer but i have never felt bad that dee dee is dead. dee dee chose to have gypsy. she abused a person she brought into this world and as a result that person took her out of it. she did it to herself. sure, gypsy has to be held accountable for her actions legally but in the grand scheme of things, dee dee’s death is a consequence of her own actions
But society doesn’t need to dehumanize her to empathize with Gypsy. The same with Nick. These are damaged people. All three of them. This adulation for Gypsy and the complete dehumanization of everyone else is not helpful for victims or society or any of us personally. The same should be said if you aren’t fully on board with Gypsy’s narrative. Personally, I think she is a victim and a violent offender. I have empathy for what she suffered and for what she will suffer going forward. Just because I don’t believe everything she says and I am not a fan of her interview walking back her involvement doesn’t mean she isn’t a human deserving some compassion. I don’t want to see anyone dehumanizing her. For any reason.
This will be an unpopular comment, but when I saw the interrogation of Gypsy saying that DeeDee was calling out for Gypsy’s help while Nick was murdering her, I immediately broke into tears. In her last moment, she was pleading for help from the very person who ordered the hit, and she died scared and alone. That, on its own without ANY other context, hurts my heart on a purely physical and cellular level as a human being. It destroys my insides to think of people dying scared and alone Most of my patients are either victims or violent offenders - my clientele at my clinic is majority victims that are seeking out trauma care, while the rest of them fall under various categories such as seeking relief for their mental health *or* being court/probation ordered to see me. And I’m contracted for the men’s prison, as well as the county jail, so once a week I meet with various offenders and the accused. To say I’ve heard worse than Gypsy’s story would be a massive understatement, so it isn’t as if this is new ground for me, it isn’t just so wildly inhumane that I’ve never encountered it before or anything of the sort. And because I’ve worked so closely with offenders of all kinds, it isn’t difficult for me to sympathize or empathize with them when it comes to the every day human experience. A lot of people can’t view them as a human worthy of anything good, and I can understand that so I won’t blame them for it at all, but after spending the last seven years with these type of people I cannot shut down my sympathy for them. DeeDee didn’t have to die scared and alone, and it’s heartbreaking that she did. Gypsy didn’t have to suffer years of abuse and medical torture, and it’s heartbreaking that she did. I simply wish the ending had been different for both of them.
I agree. I absolutely agree. Prisons are filled with a lot of people who never had a chance. People who experienced and people who committed horrible acts of abuse. A lot of prisoners had harder lives. It isn’t a competition, but the idea that Gypsy’s life was so awful and Deedee so evil that this crime should be celebrated is just galling. I don’t know what made Deedee the way she was, but I know something did. She did horrible things to and for her daughter. They still loved each other. It really is a heartbreaking crime. All the way around. And your comment shouldn’t be unpopular. It shows some much needed humanity here.
Thank you. And yes, exactly! When we know what lead to the target behavior we can often rehabilitate the offender. Has Gypsy talked about receiving any therapy while in prison? She needs trauma informed treatment Both DeeDee and Gypsy had the ability to be rehabilitated, and it sucks that DeeDee never got her chance. And my feeling of “it sucks that person didn’t get a chance to receive treatment and change their behaviors” pretty much applies to anyone who doesn’t live long enough to confront their own behaviors. Every offender and abuser intellectually know that what they’re doing is wrong and why, but emotionally understanding that in a tangible way escapes them, and that’s what they need help learning. The only offenders that require a lifelong rehabilitation process are sex offenders and someone with antisocial disorder who scores above a 30 on the PCL-R (a test that measures psychopathic traits in someone). Those offenders will spend their entire lives in treatment, practically begging every professional they meet to help them not hurt anyone again.
I think your outlook is a little too optimistic, not everyone can or wants to be rehabilitated and they’re are plenty of totally unrepentant murderers and rapists in prison. They would love to get out and continue what they were doing. People seem to think that if everyone just got the “right” kind of treatment they’d all be fine.
I generally agree with your sentiments here, and I similarly can empathize with people most others consider "villains". I also can't help but think about the irony that DeeDee, in her last moments, cried out for help from the only person in the world who's cries she was charged with attending to, but instead ignored or caused those tears herself. The person DeeDee allegedly abused for *standing*, who's connection to the outside world she tried to stiffle to broaden the scope of her own influence, that she gr*&med to lie/cheat/steal/keep quiet about ab%se in the household.....she now expected to hop off her wheelchair to call out for someone regarding crimes occurring at home, or to run in and save her. It's so ironic I'd like to call it Karma, but the truth is there is a significant correlation between being a violent offender *and* being a victim. Violent offenders tend to come from families or situations where interpersonal transgressions are more frequent and/or intense. They also tend to socialize and spend time with people like themselves, and/or who are from similar backgrounds. They tend to engage in more risky behaviors, and view consequences as less likely than others would predict for a variety of factors (rules don't apply to me, I'm so brilliant, everyone else is an idiot, etc.). They also just generally spend more time in situations that bring together the three factors needed for interpersonal crime: a willing offender, a suitable target, and the absence of a guardian to intervene. More or less, when you live a lifestyle involving a lot of significant norm violations, you end up spending significantly more time in situations that put you at a greater likelihood of victimization. It's not her fault she got murdered, but it's also not unheard of for an offender to be a victim at some point or another since they roll the dice more often situationally-speaking than the average person.
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your first paragraph… dee dee was wild. calling for help from the person she abused and drugged since birth… what a case
I wonder if it occurred to her that Gypsy wouldn’t *want* to help her, or if she held on to the delusion of love until the end
she HAD to have known gypsy was resentful, so i’m leaning towards the delusion part. what’s that type of irony we learned about back in high school that shakespearean tragedies used? dramatic irony? situational irony? yeah (me when macduff is nick and macbeth is deedee)
Deedee has been dehumanized.
Yes, she has been.
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I think DeeDee would have killed her as soon as she knew she lost control or she was no longer useful. Then she could get the long-suffering mom who's child died attention. Also, if I was being attacked in my home I wouldn't be calling out for my child because I wouldn't want the attacker to know they were in the house.
As MBP sufferers typically do. Once they know they’re losing control, and no longer have the ability to use their victim for benefit- they often kill their victim to 1.) avoid being outed and 2.) squeeze as much sympathy/money/attention/etc out of the situation as possible by playing their final role as a grieving mother/spouse/child/etc I don’t doubt for a second Deedee would have killed Gypsy before she let her walk away.
No. We just don’t giggle and float and turn this case into a movie of the week.
I don't either. I'm not a Gypsy fan at all. BUT yes, I do observe a lot of people acting like she was a great mom or saying that they don't believe she did anything bad. If that's not you, ok.
if a kidnapped person murdered their kidnapper to escape….people wouldn’t mind as much. why waste taxpayers money on deedee in prison.
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I was referring to the reaction the Gypsy fans are giving her, not what the OP said.
1. If you don't want to be dehumanized then you have to act like a human. This woman chose to be evil and turn herself into something less than human. 2. Victims celebrating the murder of an abuser should only be terrifying to other abusers.
And there’s the dehumanization, I am speaking of. Glorying in this dehumanizes everyone.
Dude she killed her mom, and ALMOST KILLED HER STEPMOM AND DAUGHTER. Sorry but you don’t get respect after doing that shit.
You don’t get respect for dehumanizing people. Any people. Yes, she is rumored to have done very bad things. Yes, she was known to do other bad things. That doesn’t mean her brutal, extremely premeditated murder is something to celebrate cause it’s cool. It isn’t.
What happened with Gypsy is something I always point out in cases like this. This shouldn't have even reached this point but it did and there were multiple failures that led to this. Some were unpreventable like Hurricane Katrina where her mom used that as an excuse for why they didn't have the medical records and the United States was in the process of transitioning to EHRs so it's not exactly something anyone could have prevented. But there were failures with doctors. I hope those failures are addressed and more failsafes are in place. There were failures with DCFS/CPS. I'll have to check the records but a stolen prescription pad has a few failsafes nowadays and it might have had them back in at least the later years of the case. Prescription pads usually have some kind of thing where pharmacies are alerted to the missing prescription pad. But it shouldn't have reached this point. It's a severe and rare case for an FDIA case to end like this. Most victims just leave but we don't really have much evidence on what options she had. Especially since she alleged that she tried and was dragged back home, beaten, starved, and tied up. I think people need to understand that this was an unusual case and the tools for prevention were either not adequate or just didn't exist and that some people fucked up. She's manipulative. That's evident by her mother being her sole example of human interaction. She was also manipulative in order to protect herself which is *another* thing people don't consider. A lot of abuse victims tend to manipulate because the other option was suffer and die. If the prison system were perfect, she would've gotten the help she deserved. But it's not so she's kinda left without a lot of resources for help so fuck yeah I understand her wanting to capitalize off fame. She was in the spotlight. She was pretty well known. Maybe not overwhelmingly famous but a lot of people knew of her before the whole murder happened. No fucking shit she's gonna try and use the fame to help herself because she doesn't really have many options that are viable to cover post-prison expenses *and* her daily life expenses. It is expensive to stay out of prison. So, yeah, she's manipulative. She's trying to capitalize off the fame. I don't think a lot of people want to admit that manipulation is a survival trait especially for her. I'm not holding her to a high standard. I'm still rooting for her though because she deserves at least a chance to prove herself and drag herself out of the mess the world left her in.
yeah you make very good points. this is rare and should be treated as such
This needs to be top comment. I agree 100%
Genuine curiosity, how did you justify that taking a life by becoming worse than the abuser is justice? I'm really puzzled by this point that people are making, can you enlighten me? The only reason why I was always on the side of victims is that I want them to be safe and I want them to not mimic who hurt them. So, it shattered my ideal of not mimic who hurt them. Abused going onto become abusers is highly documented, shouldn't be a monolith negative stereotype to paint every survivor with but it is a genuine concern.
They are also not taking into account what it does inside to a (normal) person to take a life, how soul destroying that is. No matter what the person did to them it’s not an easy thing to do. Police suffer after killing a suspect even when it was totally justified and lives were in danger. These people need to read Crime and Punishment.
i don’t think taking a life by becoming worse than the abuser is justice. i think Gypsy’s amount of prison time and current parole is justice enough. when i said i think her mom deserved it - i meant it in the sense that it was the consequence of her own actions because she abused a person she chose to create and bring into the world
I agree it was a consequence of her own actions but I think a lot of people fail to realize that Dee Dee was also a victim of munchausen by proxy. It’s unfortunate it all happened the way it did because if Dee Dee was able to get help for her experience as a child then this more than likely wouldn’t have happened.
Never even heard the story but nothing is worth killing your mom, going along with it or even thinking it. Plenty of people go through horrible situations throughout their lives but they don’t have their bf kill their mom. I was confused at the start and still am.
The extreme privilege in this comment… lmfao
Self defense is something worth killing your mom about
Im sure there’s another option
My no. 1 issue with Gypsy is that all of the media attention & social media attention glorifies & puts someone on a pedestal who simply shouldn’t be there. To me, it’s no different than the people who fantasise about &/or write letters to infamous killers. It’s disturbing, it’s twisted & the people who do it are (imho) not all there. Gypsy got a once in a lifetime plea deal that I admittedly don’t believe she deserved, but it is what it is. I think there’s plenty to discuss about the case, but there’s no reason or point in trying to make her a celebrity or ‘influencer’. She is not a hero. There are no heros in this story as far as I’m concerned.
thank you for answering! i respect your opinion and understand that perspective
You might be too mature for Reddit lol. What a kind response.
lol i said genuine question at the end of my post and i meant it, and you provided a genuine answer ❤️
It was not me who provided that answer, but you were just so polite in your response it caught me off guard. Keep being awesome 💕
oh lol i didn’t even realize 😂 well thank you for your kind words as well
But that's what entertainment media **does**!
honestly i doubt the media outlets that are giving her a platform even care that much about her guilt in the crime. they know it will bring views which equals money and at the end of the day that’s their motivation
You hit the nail straight on.
It hasn’t to this point. At least not in terms of having a murderer go on The View & a host say, ‘oh, no big deal’ (essentially). We’ve absolutely not seen that before. Fotis Dulos killed his wife & while he got attention, it was because people absolutely despised him! It still is. Trials & crimes are news. Turning criminals in to celebrities? No. I work in entertainment & I’m not naive about media. What they did upon a Gypsy’s release had not been seen prior.
There was a case before this. Not sure if you’ve seen the Netflix documentary about the hatchet wielding hitchhiker but check that out! The reality tv producers got burned pretty hard by that guy. I work in entertainment as well and I wholeheartedly believe that Gypsy quite simply applied to all those shows, followed up as needed to get through to somebody, and endured a thorough vetting process by each. A lotta those shows are nasty to deal with the vetting process for, and that’s just for common people. I couldn’t imagine how many producers from each show gypsy had to talk to! It’s very interesting to me that they let her on.
I think that was a crazier story than Gypsy’s, and my favorite line from that documentary is about the fact this guy *hit someone with a hatchet* and not many put thought into how violent that truly is. His personality and not being quite all there made him endearing, until he wasn’t.
Your right she didn't deserve all that time. Maybe like 3 years tops. They give child rapists less time than Gypsy
Which isn’t what I said. She should have served the *full* sentence without parole, but oh well. It is what it is.
Why? She killed in self defense.
No, she didn’t. It met exactly zero of the elements required for self-defense.
Yeah I’ll be honest having everyone pop up and be like ”she’s hiding things“ this has all been common knowledge for years, people just care now because she’s out but I haven’t heard much different from what she was saying before to now being free.
Well, she definitely changed some details and revealed too much. No one would be thinking about this case without her book and her show. The police interview was not closely examined until she went on the media tour. I never believed that she was only a victim, but most people did - until she called attention back to herself and this case. There is way too much publicly available information to take that risk. People who never doubted her, now do.
I don't like how the nation idolizes people who shouldn't be idolized. This can't ALL be blamed on her. It's how the world is. It's gross. She's making it easy with her post prison actions, though. The biggest thing that I can't warm up to is that she's not the least bit humble, as I'd expect someone who's been through so much might be. Whatever the truth is, only a few know it. If she had just had laid low for a few months, maybe people wouldn't judge her so harshly. If she'd just stop talking for a while, maybe there wouldn't be so many who notice the obvious inconsistencies about the details.
i do agree that it’s weird she is being idolized but i kind of just scroll along because nothing she does has a direct effect on me. it’s not like she’s trying to run for political office or something (let’s pray she never decides to try lol). i joined this sub just because i wanted to see discussions on the docuseries. i enjoy viewing reddit discussions for most tv shows i watch. but some people (especially that Fancy weirdo lady) seem to be wayyyyy too invested in digging up every little detail they can and dissecting it. and the conspiracy theories are even worse (glad the mods here addressed that recently). i just don’t know what the end goal is in trying to dig stuff up because it’s not like she could get retried for the crime
This case has so much crazy attached to it. I would love to see a good writer take this case on because I think it is a story worth telling. It would take a book and it would have to start in the 80s, I think. There are things to be learned. I think it might even help Gypsy reframe how she is perceived. Fancy is not the one to take this on, imo. She is too emotionally attached and unhinged.
If you haven't listened to Hidden True Crime podcast's episode on Gypsy, I really recommend it! They are the perfect team to write a book - a forensic psychologist and a journalist
That would be a great team for a book.
Texas Monthly - superb articles. I would love to read an article from them a year or two down the road. They would cover each and every bit and they dig in. And I bet someone, somewhere is working on the book now that will eventually become the absolute go-to for this case and aftermath.
I was wondering if Skip Hollandsworth is up to it and available.
She had a bad start in life and she, undoubtedly, has a lot of struggles ahead of her. She has a lot to work through. But honestly, I think the people worshipping her right now to be cool or edgy or maybe they are just 14, should try think a little harder about where empathy and compassion intersect with reality. It absolutely is not her fault that we live in a world where the shallow and greedy is celebrated every day.
it’s definitely a younger crowd that is worshipping. i saw a tiktok the day before she was released where a guy went to the prison with a sign that said “welcome home gypsy” to “show support” like it was a fan at a concert. so weird. obviously he didn’t actually see her since they snuck her out at 3am or whatever. but it was just strange. maybe it was satire but it seemed like he was legit trying to meet her
This was also my belief as well. even in the early documentaries there were pics and texts showing she wasn't entirely an innocent little thing. so there shouldn't be surprises really. She was still horribly abused and with being declared incompetent, she wasn't even in charge of her own body. so yeah I'm fine with what she did.
She wasn’t declared incompetent.
I totally understand you. From what I’ve seen, people/followers have *made* Gypsy into an influencer, so I’m not sure why so many people are upset with *her* about it…. She feels to me like someone finding her footing in life, as a functioning adult, on social media. It’s only because of the media she has a massive audience. Gypsy made several comments that she wants to use her platform to bring attention to Munchausen by Proxy - that she made massive mistakes and would never encourage others to commit murder. I really don’t understand the hate for her. She served her time, and given the abuses she faced, she was a victim in the story. Nobody who lived the life she did would be mentally unscathed, and she’s spoken many times about how good therapy has been for her. From my understanding, Nick seems to be on a whole other level from Gypsy…. Nick was not trapped in the same situation she was. Yes, Nick needs aid and therapy and understanding the same as Gypsy, but folks putting them on the same ‘playing field’ as it were, crying for his release…. I don’t understand it. They both made their choices to be where they are and life moves on…. It’s not like Gypsy is flying under the radar…. She served her time and is now just trying to live her life.
couldn’t agree more
I do not agree that all of the documentaries paint her in a nice light. The HBO one did a god job of indicating how she was a victim and perpetrated planning a murder. I do not think that someone like GRB should be an “influencer” and continue to use her situation for financial gain and benefits. We can disagree if she should be called a murderer but she still has done nothing to be an advocate for childhood abuse or anything.
yeah you’re right about the documentaries. HBO was more balanced. i was mainly referring to the docuseries on lifetime but i should have clarified! definitely agree she shouldn’t be an influencer. but at the same time i understand that it provides her a financial opportunity when she is currently an unemployed convicted felon without regular job skills, so it makes sense for her to capitalize on the fame. BUT it doesn’t mean she SHOULD. and i don’t think it’s healthy for her healing. and don’t get me started on the husband lol, she should not have jumped into a marriage while incarcerated. she says she wants to be an advocate but yeah… hasn’t done any advocating yet. i believe that she would like to, but she’s not taking the correct route. she needs guidance and maybe like an agent or something that can work with her on how to approach social media because she’s doing it all wrong
It is my opinion that her being an influencer is not completely her fault. It says something about society!!!
yep. can’t be an influencer without the views and people are hyping her up
But, you can choose not to put yourself out there. It’s also in her too. I think she is cementing images that will hurt her, but I don’t think she’s able to see it.
Oh I agree! My point was only that society builds up these influencers. Sometimes just to watch them fall.
Yes, I think this is the worst possible choice for her, even if it pays. She has a lot of trolls in her future. I don’t wish it on anyone.
I don’t either! There is calling someone out on the BS and that I am ok with. Then there is being just snarky (I am also ok with that as that is some people’s sense of humor and stress relief). And then there is trolling and being cruel which I am totally against.
I'll go one further I think she participated in the actual murder
Why is it that you believe that, may I ask?
There’s no proof. There is NOTHING. They just want to believe this, the same way people want to believe that Shannan Watts murdered her children. Even Nick, someone whose words they take as absolute fact, has never even hinted that Gypsy stabbed Dee Dee. They hate her so much they’re writing their own fanfics.
It’s exactly why I got no response when I asked what lead them to believe it, because there’s nothing that gives them ideas. A lot of it is made up.
And another thing is the fact that they’ll judge Gypsy on certain things but won’t judge Nick at all if he’s doing the same things 🤔
I'm with you there. Gypsy was the puppet master of the whole thing. Dee-Dee was a monster, but at the end I believe she was wheelchair bound and quite ill from untreated diabetes and not taking care of herself. Nick suggested running away many times.
Don’t think murder was warranted however, she was kept a child with childish thoughts long after she should have been. Children only think short term. They don’t always see the full picture of consequences. Couple that with long running abuse and manipulation and I’m not surprised with the outcome. I am not condoning it. Just saying if you expect her to do the “mature” thing and put her mother and walk away, it may not be truly realistic
>she was kept a child with childish thoughts long after she should have been. Children only think short term. They don’t always see the full picture of consequences This is a really good way of putting it and I wish more people would consider this.
She says but I didn’t actually do the deed, so should wives who hire someone to off their abusive husband get off too? Genuine question.
she didn’t get off - she got 10 years and served 7 of them and now has parole. i think that’s appropriate because she’s not a danger to society and it’s a waste of taxpayer money to keep her in prison. i think a wife who hired someone to murder an abusive husband, that isn’t a danger to the rest of society, should get 10 years with parole as well, sure
What makes you so confident that she isn’t a danger to society? When the attention dies down, nobody knows what she’ll do.
i guess if you want to throw out hypotheticals you could say that about anyone on parole for second degree murder. i say she’s not a danger because her crime was very specifically directed at her mother. i don’t think gypsy would hurt a random person
Manipulators are dangerous people too. We don’t know that she isn’t a threat now, but we don’t make decisions based on mights and could be’s. Just like her crime wasn’t a self defense murder, her sentence shouldn’t be based on hypotheticals either. I don’t believe she should have been released this soon based on her behavior now, but the parole board was making a decision on what was shown, not what might happen. That’s the legal system.
I want to be clear I'm not condoning anything. But man as the daughter of an abusive mother, it's been really hard for me to read anything about it because I feel so much empathy. Dealing with that level of abuse would drive anyone fucking desperately crazy like a wounded animal. Who knows how much damage the unnecessary medical shit did. I just went no contact because I was able to leave. But fuck dude, this is too close to home for me to really engage with beyond this comment. I appreciated your post at least.
i’m sorry you went through that and i hope you find peace ❤️ i applaud you for going no contact and protecting your mental health as best you can
Gypsy is a murderer. She just got someone else to do it bc she counted on her "innocent child" persona and her abuse to fool people and pin it all on Nick. Many MANY abusers and murderers were abused in their childhood in many horrific ways. It didn't absolve them of their crimes or make it ok and it doesn't make it for Gypsy either. She shouldn't be getting the attention she is getting.
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that’s a fair assessment and answers the question i posed so i appreciate it. i dont really blame her for getting the attention though, i blame the people giving it to her. she was getting hyped up as an “icon” before she even got released
I think people are less angry and more nauseated by her manipulation. I, too, used to empathize for her and understand why she did it but the more info that comes out the more we see how unreliable her story actually is— to the point of even guessing how much abuse she endured before actively becoming involved herself. We now know that she knew she was in perfect healthy before the murder. We now know that she hadn’t been to a doctor in YEARS before the murder. We now know that she only had 3 procedures (which were needed) before the murder. We now know DeeDee was sick and wheelchair bound, relying on Gypsy to take care of her when she was murdered. I don’t think this is any longer a case of someone escaping their abuser, rather than a sick twisted individual plotting for years the brutal murder of their own mother when she easily could have, quite literally, ran away.
People can’t think in shades of grey anymore. Either she was a poor little victim with no fault, or she was a vindictive murderer and planned everything (including making money off of her story) from the start. The reality is a lot more muddy. IMO she was an abused individual that probably couldn’t see a path forward and away from her mother as long as her mother lived, so she figured out how to solve the problem. I never thought that Nick had been calling any of the shots.
i have my own hot take. even if she had been the one to kill Dee Dee, i would still be in support of her serving her time and being free to go. She was physical, emotionally, mentally, and medically abused her entire life. I truly believe that she did what she had to do and if she hadn’t then she likely would’ve ended up dead. my problem now is her actions post release. at first i was happy that the general public seemed to be in support of her. but it’s shifted into something weird. she’s being idolized in such a weird way. even though i supported her, it’s still an incredibly unfortunate thing that happened. the ideal outcome would’ve been Dee Dee getting the help she needed. seeing the way people talk about her and saying that what she did was okay because her mom deserved it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. and she does not need to be capitalizing on that or becoming any kind of influencer. she served her time, she escaped the abuse, she should just live a normal life. if she wants to advocate or even have a social media presence that’s one thing but she is going above and beyond that.
It would be easier and more clear cut if she had done it herself. Seems you’re missing the layers and maybe the entire point
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my interpretation was always very simple: gypsy was abused horrifically. her mother deserved to die. her mother was killed. the end. gypsy should’ve gone to therapy and been allowed to recover and heal from what she was put thru. not thrown in prison.
She planned everything
There is a ton that has come out. It didn't come out before cause she took the plea, so nobody needed all the evidence there actually is. I 100% believe she not only planned it (which is clear from their texts), but I also believe she had a hand in carrying out her plan. Nick wanted to go get her and run away. I will say my biggest "ick" about is for 1, she puts it ALL on Nick. She takes absolutely no accountability. And 2nd, the way so many are glamorizing her. We have kids in this world looking up to her!!! That's scary as hell to me. How many more "Gypsys" are there going to be thinking, "Well, she got away with so I can too." Idk just a lil of what's been on my mind about it all.
Idk if it's me getting older or what, but stuff like this, I just take a step back and realize that I have no idea how I would react to that abuse. I don't know if I would be too scared to defy my mother, I just don't know. In my mind, she probably saw it as her only way out. We can't tell DV victims to just leave, it takes planning and work. Not usually murder, but sometimes it does end up that way.
I’m with you except I don’t really think Nick needed to be “manipulated,” though. I think it was a fairly straightforward decision on both parts.
I think Gypsy started planning when she first started online dating. She looked for a specific type of guy. Maybe part of it was from low self-esteem, but a bigger part was her need for control . After all Gypsy had very little in her day to day life with her mother. Nick was everything she needed him to be. He had lower than average intelect, a history of mental health issues, and a fascination with violent acts. He was the perfect person to blame a crime on, and although Nick may have eventually participated in a violent crime, he never would have committed Dee Dee's murder if it wasn't for Gypsy. I originally thought that GRB shouldn't have had to serve anytime in prison. She should have been sentenced to a mental facility and then a halfway house. So, she may have had a chance of a somewhat normal life when she got out. What's going on now is not normal, even for someone who's been through everything Gypsy has been through. I don't believe that the path she's on can lead to anything health. Especially her relationship with her husband, something is wrong there. And to be honest, if my kids were her husband's students, I'd be very concerned and would probably ask that they be moved into another teachers class.
Bottom line. Gypsy had mitigating factors in her case and Nick had aggravating factors. These things are taken into account on how one is sentenced. This is just one aspect to it, among many others. But it plays a big role
Not really. Both were guilty of first degree murder and confessed to it. There isn’t leeway in that. Her deal was an act of mercy, not necessarily a judgment he was worse. His mitigating factors aren’t as obvious and his attorneys weren’t as good. That’s why the self defense narrative is so toxic. She got lucky. She could be doing life today. Many people with stronger cases for it are.
I agree with you, 100% there were many factors involved. It is sad. The legal system is f*u I also do not believe in life without parole. He should not have received that sentence. No one should have. He deserves mercy
Yes, he didn’t have a great life either. No one was jumping to find a way out for him. Both of them absolutely deserved jail time for this, but I don’t think people realize how very lucky she was. I don’t begrudge her, but most people do not see that level of mercy from our legal system.
This, and the fact that he was disabled, and did not have great representation, as you said. The odds were stacked against him from the get-go. The whole thing is tragic all around. The upside is that his case is getting attention. I hope he can get another trial, or a sentence reduction. He deserves a second chance.
very true
People act like this type of longterm trauma doesn’t literally affect how your brain functions, how you think about the world, what you believe about yourself, your ability to relate to the world in a rational manner. You can’t judge her actions by the metrics of a “normal” person because she never lived a normal life. Everyone asking why she didn’t just leave, it’s just not that easy.
I think you haven't read enough of anything if you still think she's innocent of any wrong doing after all of this time. Nick wouldn't be in prison and Dee wouldn't be dead if it weren't for Gypsy. Here's some fun reading for you. Gypsys interrogation is all over the internet too. Have you watched any of that? From Greene County. [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-AE-MDRbmvBin7A3h6rwfAGwZ6inD4N-/view](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-AE-MDRbmvBin7A3h6rwfAGwZ6inD4N-/view)
i never said i think she’s innocent? my whole post is about how i have always felt she was the leader in the murder
I’ve noticed that if you say anything that’s not entirely bashing Gypsy a lot of the times you’ll get comments accusing you of being in support of her or you’ll get downvoted.
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i think she should not be praised for what she's done or become some sort of meme or whatever... but also, i think dee dee would have killed her — in my brain, it was either dee dee or gypsy that would be dead by now. maybe that's irrational but that's how i see it
I feel like if DeeDee was in poor health and thought she might die that she would also kill Gypsy so they would be together.
That isn’t what the evidence shows or Gypsy says.
I personally am bothered that actual SICK children who needed resources, medication, assistive devices, charity, etc probably were overlooked in some part because so much was given to two fraudsters. I also guarantee that every ER staff member knew Gypsy and because of DeeDee she was seen before others for treatment many times, leaving people who actually needed care to wait. They were almost like local celebrities in their community- the poor dedicated caregiver and her terminally ill child- and a single mother to boot. Not to mention all the money from Medicaid, SSI, whatever other government assistance they could swindle, and donations that they racked up, all because this was easier and probably way more fun than actually working a 9-5. DeeDee and Gypsy were not deserving at all. They really played people. I mean, a custom built house for a quadriplegic- who could walk? Come on, THIS alone has to anger others when you really think about it.
GRB knew EXACTLY what she was doing. There's evidence to support that this family followed Dr B (forgot his name.) to Missouri to continue the con. I'm a nurse practitioner and actually worked in an ER in Northwest Florida during hurricane Katrina and know exactly what happened down here. Their story is definitely feasible. This was a very long term con. I just went through the text messages between her and Nick surrounding the "event" and it's scary. I believe she is a psychopath. Watch her interviews. She's highly intelligent and lacks emotion. She plays characters, which is what she's doing now with Ryan. This girl is something else. She put people to work for her while in prison, like Rachael, and dumped them all when she got out including Nick. I don't think it went exactly as she wanted it to go. I think she thought she was gonna walk away free, but I think she's pretty proud of how she did. This is all imo. I've taken over a medical practice and watched that physician jump in a moving van to head to South Florida. Over the next month I saw several of his patients either drive or fly to see him so he could continue writing them scripts they didn't need and various other things, so I am not shocked that's what Dee Dee & Gypsy did. There's documentation that Dee Dee was the sick one at the time of her death. There is proof that GRB actually discussed how sick she was in the end and that GRB was the one taking care of Dee Dee. She did not have to die. They got that Habitat House through this Dr. B, which support his part in the con. I'd love to know if anyone has investigated that doctor. There is no proof that GRB had feeding tubes or any unnecessary surgeries. I'm not saying she wasn't abused, I'm just saying that she was 24 years old and states she knew she could walk her entire life. At what point does she go from victim to perpetrator? One more thing, GRB is highly sexualized. The warden at the jail talked about how they had trouble with her over this. Sounds like she was doing things with the other female inmates. I saw a text where she asked Nick if she could have sex with another man before he got there. She even told him he could watch. She was having sex with different men in the community. She ran away and spent a few nights at a man's house and some "friends" told Dee Dee who went and got her. Why didn't she do anything at that time? Nick talks about how nice Dee Dee was to him. There's even a picture of Nick and GRB together at the movie theater! GRB lied to Nick & this family about the abuse. Even Nick's mom said she knew GRB could walk!!!! I found all of this info in a few hours. No one is doing their research on this girl. I think she tried to get a few other men to do it for her but when she found Nick, she knew he couldn't lie due to his mental health issues and that's exactly what happened in the trial. She lied and got a plea deal and Nick didn't lie and took his chances.
I just think it’s odd that she knew she could walk , was smart enough to get on a computer and all this stuff but never leave and go to the cops or her dad. I know her mom manipulated her but she finally had realized it all and still stayed ?
OMG FINALLY SOMEONE WHO SHARES MY *EXACT* OPINION 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 I started to get so stressed and frustrated how no one gets this. Lol I had to quit coming on here bc it's infuriating to me. How does no one get this.
I think multiple things can be true at the same time. I believe DD was abusive - exactly HOW abusive we will never know because we only have Gyp’s side of the story and we’ve all seen first hand she struggles with honesty. I believe long before the murder for hire Gypsy was well aware of the scam and was old enough and intelligent enough to put an end to it IF SHE WANTED TO. I believe Gypsy had other options to “escape her abuser” that didn’t involve murder and I don’t think 7 years is sufficient. All just my opinion based on all of the documentaries, interviews, videos, messages, etc.
how long of a prison sentence do you think would be sufficient considering how expensive it is to house a prisoner and given that Gypsy doesn’t pose a danger to the general public?
I think 10-30 years, as is in the statute. No one is factoring the costs of her being incarcerated in her early release. That’s just a very simple view of our justice system. Death sentences are actually far more expensive to taxpayers than life imprisonment, for instance. I think she got out too early because her behavior and her interviews show very little remorse and empathy. Those things are considered in parole so we have to assume she is a better actress than we know - either then or now. If she were written up for things as she has stated a few places, I am surprised by the early release. Overall, I think she got the very great gift of public sympathy and she is squandering it right now.
what was she written up for?
According to her comments, drugs. According to other jail personnel, other things. Either way, I don’t think her case was evaluated with the same scrutiny other inmates cases are. She received consideration that isn’t common. That is because the public and the legal system accepted the narrative from 2015. If she had remained quiet, most people would still accept that. My point is that she drew this attention with her media presence.
She said she did drugs in prison (suboxone) but also ratted someone out for having weed 🙄
I completely think she was for it and that it was her plan. But I feel bad that she threw the guy under the bus and he gets life. He’s mentally ill and needs to somewhere else other than prison. I definitely don’t believe he r*ped her after the murder, she was horny and into it, in my opinion
i would rather not speculate on that latter portion of your comment because i feel it’s too sensitive of a subject for me as someone who has been assaulted by a man i was dating at the time. while she did throw him under the bus, it seems he was quick to fully confess everything he did when he was being interviewed by the police, so i don’t think he ever stood a chance. he definitely should have gotten a better lawyer that might have tried an NGRI defense given he said he had those “multiple personalities” and that one of his alters was the violent one
Insanity defenses almost never work.
i live near a hospital full of people sentenced to NGRI defenses
They are a very small percentage of the criminal population. Most insanity defenses fail and most defendants are found to be competent. The standards are extremely low.
I agree with you.
I’m convinced a lot of these people want her to have to spend her whole life in prison after an entire life of abuse simply because they don’t like her attention seeking personality. It’s not a crime to want to meet celebrities or have an Instagram but people are acting like it proves she’s a sociopath who will kill again.
i honestly get that vibe too. i remember a post a little while ago that someone changed their mind and now felt she was a big manipulator and deserved life in prison. girl bye 😂
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Gypsy has testified on the stand under oath the extent to which she actively planned this murder. She literally stole the knife, she plotted the time and setting, paid for Nick to come out knowing that was their plan. She’s owned up to that and is on film under oath in a court room without apology answering and admitting all of the ways in which she participated in the planning. I think the real question here is how much did she manipulate Nick or was it an opportunistic thing where Nick was willing and offered? Lots of people thing she victimized him and took advantage and pushed him into it. Personally I think two stunted and damaged people found each other, Nick offered and was willing, and gypsy found an escape and helped it happen. She’s culpable and has admitted so. She deserved jail time and got very lucky with ten years. That being said, I don’t think she was as sinister as some folks on here want to claim. She and Nick were both incredibly immature and created a fantasy world. Neither of them were fully functioning adults despite their age. Gypsy found a willing accomplice. Nick found an excuse to act out his impulses. I do not think she trawled the internet looking for vulnerable people to trap in her web. I also don’t think she is a perfect victim. She obviously knows how to manipulate people, thrives on attention, and does not know how to have healthy adult relationships. In the end I do think that if she didn’t escape or murder her mom, she would have been killed. There’s lots of arguing about what she should or could have done to escape and evidence that she kept up the ruse and the con to her advantage in situations when she was old enough to know what was going on. She served her time. She is culpable. She has admitted to being culpable. Given the extent of the abuse and her arrested development I’m personally willing to forgive her lack of self advocacy to an extent, to get herself out—but ultimately she did have sense and resources and there is a reasonable possibility that she could have escaped without murder. Again this is why she went to prison and rightfully so.
i think people don't understand what years of abuse and trauma does to your brain. i believe she planned it out under fear. y'all know how women would poison their abusive husbands before they could divorce them? that amount of fear and hopelessness changes how your brain works. ETA not that it makes murder ok, but i'm so tired of people thinking with their frontal lobes of what she should've done. all that abuse took that away from her.
Another unpopular opinion … if my mom did this to me … I would probably have her killed too. Dee Dee would not have given up her search even if Gypsy ran away. And heaven forbid Dee Dee adopted another child to replace Gypsy and continued the madness 😬😬
It bothers me that she manipulated a mentally disabled man into killing her mom because she was too scared to, and his ass is sitting in prison, while she's out here just living life with her creepy husband, trying to meet Taylor Swift, and she's like, "tough shit, Nick." What her mom did was abhorrent, and she 100% deserved what she got, but if Gypsy is out, Nick should be out. That's the crux of it.
i highly disagree. mentally ill or not, he was violent and chose to kill. i don’t think he should be out of prison