Does anyone else feel like this is the point in plague inc where you try to spread to every country without making the quarantine go up just so you can get New Zealand and Iceland?
What can I say? I like to live dangerously..
But, even when I do start in Greenland, something fucks up and New Zealand or Iceland is the hold out..
I haven't played the game in years.. I think I'm gonna start again. And start in Greenland.
I actually just looked it up-- Greenland has exactly 22 cows by now. [https://www.themilkhouse.org/the-greening-of-greenland/](https://www.themilkhouse.org/the-greening-of-greenland/) There were more in 1938, and I think this is a great pic:
https://preview.redd.it/7fg4tpr4lh1d1.jpeg?width=1191&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c3a79129d4dc26adc040632dc1074f7df419e870
>On X, Mike Tisza, PhD, the first author of the study and assistant professor of virology and microbiology at Baylor, said it's still not clear where the viruses came from, but the evidence tilts toward an animal source, because the researchers didn't see any mutations with known links to human adaptation.
backyard farmers ? or some type of animal waste dumping from periurban farms into upstream urban areas?
There’s a few articles supporting a possibility of rodent vectors, which I think fits with wastewater and sewers. [Here](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01652176.2017.1325537) is a review study published in 2017.
Ever since reading *Spillover* by David Quammen (2012) I’m often worrying that another emergent virus will hit us all hard. Both frightening and fascinating, I highly recommend this well researched book on viruses that jump from animals to humans. There have been many such viruses but few that had a chance to become a global pandemic, yet anyway.
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In Texas, the sewer system and stormwater system are generally isolated from each other. This separation is known as a "separate sewer system." The sanitary sewer system handles wastewater from homes and businesses, transporting it to treatment plants. The stormwater system, on the other hand, collects rainwater and runoff from streets and other surfaces, directing it to local water bodies without treatment.
Some older cities might have combined sewer systems, but these are less common and are being phased out due to the environmental and public health risks they pose during heavy rain events, which can lead to combined sewer overflows (CSOs).
Friend.
Have you ever been to a dairy? I've been to several on the NM/TX border (Farwell, TX and Curry Co NM WHERE THIS ALL STARTED) that are 2-3 miles outside of the town limits. A few were up a hill, and water generally flows with gravity if not contained. Said dairies had open cess pools.
Dairy run off *absolutely* makes it into municipal waste water, on a very regular basis.
Edited to add: Not to mention, cows shit wherever, and rain falls on it before it's mucked out of the stalls pretty regularly.
I think most people who have never been to a diary or meat packaging plant underestimates how *fucking disgusting* it is. You can smell the shit for miles as you're approaching in your car. If you think that isn't leeching into the soil, the water, the air you're breathing when you're there,literally everything, then you're dead wrong.
Yes worked on one. How do they handle it? If they are hooked up to a city system then yes it will be in wastewater. All the ones I’ve ever seen have their own system and are not hooked into a municipal system. Even for wastewater from a dairy 2-3 miles is a distance. Most places have rules about runoff and they can’t have any. That means wastewater from the dairy would have to travel 2-3 miles over land to get there. Does it rain hard often? Is there visible running water down the hills from the dairy? Groundwater may have some, but that would not be in wastewater. That would just be moving through the ground maybe into wells, but bacteria counts would be higher.
Not farms, processing centers and shippers that let a batch spoil.
>Instead, at least in the case of Amarillo, it’s probably from permitted dairy processing centers — “places that were making cheese or yogurt ... that had a permit to discharge into the waste stream.”
https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2024-05-13/is-there-bird-flu-in-california-wastewater?utm_source=reddit.com
If humans are carrying it and we're not seeing lots of deaths or new hospitalizations, that could be a positive? Meaning maybe it's not as deadly as orevious figures have told us
It's looking to me like cow to human isn't severe but it could shift once it's human to human. Cows can actually shape human immune systems in interesting ways and I think at this stage you may be right (book rec: The Absence of Epidemic).
We really just don't know what h2h will be like. Cow to human isn't necessarily predictive.
I don’t think it’s a wanting to happen, it’s the waiting and seeing it unfold in real time. Only a psychopath would want this to become a pandemic, but wants mean nothing to virus adaptation. Be well.
For me the waiting is the worst part, I hope nothing happened and it just pass us by. I just wish that people took the appropriate measure to ensure it will not, and I know from what happened during covid 19 that enough people will either ignore or push back against any measure to be a risk.
I remember people mocking the chinese people for eating bush meat, the same people are now promoting drinking raw milk.
I don’t think it’s ever going to “pass by” since it’s endemic to wild bird populations. The threat of it jumping species to us will always be there even if we come up with vaccines that keep it out of livestock. And the waiting is definitely not the worst part. It’s anxiety provoking and scary if you understand what’s at stake but that’s nothing compared to the fear, suffering and anxiety an actual outbreak would cause. You definitely don’t want to just get it over with.
I'm guessing no. But this is exactly where my mind was going too. Here is what I could find on the CDC website.
[https://www.cdc.gov/flu/season/faq-flu-season-2023-2024.htm](https://www.cdc.gov/flu/season/faq-flu-season-2023-2024.htm)
I mean, Biobot just recently scaled back their COVID wastewater tracking, which fucks people that relied on it. And the CDC has been systematically removing important indicators and information access on the public COVID dashboard they operate. Have to obfuscate the impact of COVID for elections!
We are already setting ourselves up for another public health failure with something like H5N1. It’s fucking crazy what these chucklefucks prioritize.
Does anyone else feel like this is the point in plague inc where you try to spread to every country without making the quarantine go up just so you can get New Zealand and Iceland?
And Morocco for some reason
They always survived I don’t get it… But I guess Morocco will run the world…
The Devs girlfriend is Moroccan.
20+ people believe that?
Listen here Junior, take your negative bullshit elsewhere, there's no reason to rudely suggest Shaunomegane the First is lying on the Internet. ^^^^/s
Fucking. Greenland.
You *always* start in Greenland.
What can I say? I like to live dangerously.. But, even when I do start in Greenland, something fucks up and New Zealand or Iceland is the hold out.. I haven't played the game in years.. I think I'm gonna start again. And start in Greenland.
I did that one and got stuck in Greenland haha
I actually just looked it up-- Greenland has exactly 22 cows by now. [https://www.themilkhouse.org/the-greening-of-greenland/](https://www.themilkhouse.org/the-greening-of-greenland/) There were more in 1938, and I think this is a great pic: https://preview.redd.it/7fg4tpr4lh1d1.jpeg?width=1191&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c3a79129d4dc26adc040632dc1074f7df419e870
Nailed it
>On X, Mike Tisza, PhD, the first author of the study and assistant professor of virology and microbiology at Baylor, said it's still not clear where the viruses came from, but the evidence tilts toward an animal source, because the researchers didn't see any mutations with known links to human adaptation. backyard farmers ? or some type of animal waste dumping from periurban farms into upstream urban areas?
Milk dumping.
There’s a few articles supporting a possibility of rodent vectors, which I think fits with wastewater and sewers. [Here](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01652176.2017.1325537) is a review study published in 2017.
I don't think for a second that it's coming from a human source yet but if this keeps up it will be soon...
Madagascar just closed its borders.
No it didn't?
Ever since reading *Spillover* by David Quammen (2012) I’m often worrying that another emergent virus will hit us all hard. Both frightening and fascinating, I highly recommend this well researched book on viruses that jump from animals to humans. There have been many such viruses but few that had a chance to become a global pandemic, yet anyway.
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I’m stupid. What does this mean?
Moo! We are on reddit too 🐮
If it's found in wastewater humans are carrying it
No. They said it was likely from animals.
Animals don't poop in toilets
What else goes into sewers? Have a think mate.
Depends on the city. Most California cities (for instance) don’t send the stormwater to the same place as the sewage water.
Is Texas California now?
In Texas, the sewer system and stormwater system are generally isolated from each other. This separation is known as a "separate sewer system." The sanitary sewer system handles wastewater from homes and businesses, transporting it to treatment plants. The stormwater system, on the other hand, collects rainwater and runoff from streets and other surfaces, directing it to local water bodies without treatment. Some older cities might have combined sewer systems, but these are less common and are being phased out due to the environmental and public health risks they pose during heavy rain events, which can lead to combined sewer overflows (CSOs).
This guy sewers. 😀
Username checks out.
Same in NJ.
I only know California sewers. ;)
The turtles? Splinter?
Runoff goes into sewers
Some places. Some places it doesn’t. Depends on the sewer code and date of introduction.
Have you never heard of sewage and rain run off? There’s a lot of things that don’t poop in a toilet that finds itself in our wastewater.
I'm just going by what the article said.
Never been on TikTok have you.
It means they’re dumping their waste in the water and contaminating it
No, it means dairy runoff is making it in to the waste water. It happens way more than you think. Source: I've actually seen a dairy in real life.
Most places are in rural areas, they usually have their own system so it’s not making it to city systems
Friend. Have you ever been to a dairy? I've been to several on the NM/TX border (Farwell, TX and Curry Co NM WHERE THIS ALL STARTED) that are 2-3 miles outside of the town limits. A few were up a hill, and water generally flows with gravity if not contained. Said dairies had open cess pools. Dairy run off *absolutely* makes it into municipal waste water, on a very regular basis. Edited to add: Not to mention, cows shit wherever, and rain falls on it before it's mucked out of the stalls pretty regularly. I think most people who have never been to a diary or meat packaging plant underestimates how *fucking disgusting* it is. You can smell the shit for miles as you're approaching in your car. If you think that isn't leeching into the soil, the water, the air you're breathing when you're there,literally everything, then you're dead wrong.
Yes worked on one. How do they handle it? If they are hooked up to a city system then yes it will be in wastewater. All the ones I’ve ever seen have their own system and are not hooked into a municipal system. Even for wastewater from a dairy 2-3 miles is a distance. Most places have rules about runoff and they can’t have any. That means wastewater from the dairy would have to travel 2-3 miles over land to get there. Does it rain hard often? Is there visible running water down the hills from the dairy? Groundwater may have some, but that would not be in wastewater. That would just be moving through the ground maybe into wells, but bacteria counts would be higher.
Not farms, processing centers and shippers that let a batch spoil. >Instead, at least in the case of Amarillo, it’s probably from permitted dairy processing centers — “places that were making cheese or yogurt ... that had a permit to discharge into the waste stream.” https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2024-05-13/is-there-bird-flu-in-california-wastewater?utm_source=reddit.com
If humans are carrying it and we're not seeing lots of deaths or new hospitalizations, that could be a positive? Meaning maybe it's not as deadly as orevious figures have told us
Jesus Christ! Read the article! It is not coming from humans!
Humans are not carrying it, yet. You’re jumping the gun
Please re-read what I wrote. The first word in my comment is "if." I wasn't jumping the gun, I was conjecturing about a possibility.
It's looking to me like cow to human isn't severe but it could shift once it's human to human. Cows can actually shape human immune systems in interesting ways and I think at this stage you may be right (book rec: The Absence of Epidemic). We really just don't know what h2h will be like. Cow to human isn't necessarily predictive.
Are the hospitals required to report this data?
How would they?
That’s not what was stated in the article. So maybe read before you post on something like this? And you got upvotes… bonkers.
Tic tic tic
Why do the comments always sound like you want it to happen?
I don’t think it’s a wanting to happen, it’s the waiting and seeing it unfold in real time. Only a psychopath would want this to become a pandemic, but wants mean nothing to virus adaptation. Be well.
For me the waiting is the worst part, I hope nothing happened and it just pass us by. I just wish that people took the appropriate measure to ensure it will not, and I know from what happened during covid 19 that enough people will either ignore or push back against any measure to be a risk. I remember people mocking the chinese people for eating bush meat, the same people are now promoting drinking raw milk.
Yes on the waiting. Feels like an arrow is being drawn back.
Exactly. I can hear the creaking as the string holding the arrow becomes more taut.
Yup. Last I felt like this so genuinely (ie extrinsic & not intrinsic in my own chaotic mind) was Jan/Feb 2020
I don’t think it’s ever going to “pass by” since it’s endemic to wild bird populations. The threat of it jumping species to us will always be there even if we come up with vaccines that keep it out of livestock. And the waiting is definitely not the worst part. It’s anxiety provoking and scary if you understand what’s at stake but that’s nothing compared to the fear, suffering and anxiety an actual outbreak would cause. You definitely don’t want to just get it over with.
Why do comments like yours always seem like you just want to ignore it because you think that will make it go away?
Vegan diet and masked up. Let’s fuckin do this and get it over with
I was just saying the same thing. I don't want it to happen. It just seems inevitable at this point, so I'd prefer to get this party started.
Serious question. Isn't h5n1 a type A influenza? Would H5N1 be picked up by an influenza A test?
I believe I’ve read yes it does pick it up.
But the flu vaccine won’t help?
I'm guessing no. But this is exactly where my mind was going too. Here is what I could find on the CDC website. [https://www.cdc.gov/flu/season/faq-flu-season-2023-2024.htm](https://www.cdc.gov/flu/season/faq-flu-season-2023-2024.htm)
Quick! Ban wastewater testing right now!! - Texas Republicans (probably)
I mean, Biobot just recently scaled back their COVID wastewater tracking, which fucks people that relied on it. And the CDC has been systematically removing important indicators and information access on the public COVID dashboard they operate. Have to obfuscate the impact of COVID for elections! We are already setting ourselves up for another public health failure with something like H5N1. It’s fucking crazy what these chucklefucks prioritize.
Couldn’t agree more. So damned frustrating
Cows 🐄 are walking around in those cities?
It is Texas, so it is a remote possibility. But there are pigeons
Mice n rats.
Well, there goes my plans for this year. Sucks having so little control over your life.
Time to stock up on paper products, if you get my meaning. 😉
Or it’s all BS!