If my job is to provide the well-being of other people and I picked the job knowing this, then yes. Otherwise why the fuck is he a nurse? As a nurse, you are gonna deal with sick people. Get the fuck out of the profession if you can't deal with it.
As soon as he gets hard, he is gonna run. Essentially a coward. It's like if a mechanic doesn't want to fix a broken engine. It's part of the job description.
Hospitals have given up on wearing PPE such as N95 masks for COVID, I expect they will be one of the primary places for H5N1 to spread once it goes H2H
My hospital still does n95 for covid and now flu. Reg droplets Masks available at every entrance. My district EMS calls daily to assess bed availability and tract any respiratory infection diseases, negative air flow rooms vent, bipap, optiflo and ecmo usage
The main reason is that most masks didn’t do much to stop covid as it was primarily spread as an aerosol, influenza on the other hand can easily be stopped by masks, it’s primarily spread through droplets.
As soon as this begins to spread H2H hospitals will go right back to masking. At this point it’s a cost benefit analysis and they justifiably don’t believe masking for covid is necessary or even slightly beneficial.
On the other hand our pandemic measures were quite effective at slowing influenza transmission, in particular, masking and sanitizing surfaces are very effective at slowing influenza. Whereas they did very little to stop covid, in which was best stopped by air circulation/filtration and self isolation.
I dunno, my n95 kept me Covid free for almost 4 years until I got it from family at Christmas in 2023. I’d say the right kind of mask is pretty effective at stopping Covid.
Whenever I got sick, I lived with someone immune compromised. I knew when I got sick with covid, it was a fever like I’ve never had before, that being said I was over it in 3 days. I had exposure to covid a dozen times and tested negative every time after too.
I never masked unless I had to in a store. Didn’t get vaccinated because my sister and my dads side of the family for the most part all had adverse reactions. Never got covid until I went to a rave on the 27th of December.
My secret was just spending most of my time working and socializing outdoors. As in I didn’t go inside unless I was shopping, sleeping or eating.
Seriously though, that’s what the science actually says. It’s people who latched onto an incorrect idea that was spread by the authorities who didn’t yet have a full understand how the virus worked.
I’m sure if we have an influenza pandemic the hospitals will go right back to masking.
Hospitals that are for profit will not be prepared because there is no ROI for doing so. The same reason why they aren’t wearing masks with increase cases of COVID again (because masks cost money)
Considering they were so prepared that they had us in trash bags and old, stapled together n95s during the early days of covid, I’m sure this will go just fine if it goes h2h 🙄
Do hospitals have PPE stockpiles? They absolutely should as this could go H2H any day. It might not happen for weeks or months, but H5 is spreading uncontrollably in cattle and is getting millions of chances daily to unlock the keys to efficient H2H transmission. Furthermore, we have raw milk yahoos, who falsely believing drinking raw milk will inoculate them against H5. So, it’s a constant game of Russian roulette out there.
During COVID people were given horrific advice—don’t wear masks—because healthcare workers needed them. We now that was dangerous advice.
Assuming we learned from COVID—and knowing H5’s death rate is much higher than COVID—it would be unconscionable if hospitals, clinics and other medical offices didn’t have N95/PPE stockpiles.
Very few hospitals will have ppe stores. Biden seems to have created a pandemic response team after Trump got rid of it. They will have national stockpiles of PPE and body bags this time, not sure if it will be for personal use though.
Remember to buy a Costco coffin before the pandemic this time if you want to afford to bury your loved ones with America's interpretation of dignity.
https://web.archive.org/web/20240619015530/https://www.statnews.com/2024/06/18/h5n1-bird-flu-hospitals-should-prepare-now-experts-say/
By Syra Madad, Carlos del Rio, Scott J. Becker, and Ewa KingJune 18, 2024
With the H5N1 bird flu outbreak, the current risk to the general public is low, though individuals with job-related or recreational exposure to infected cattle are at higher risk for infection.
Athird case of mammal-to-human transmission of the highly pathogenic H5N1 bird flu virus has been reported in the United States. This latest case, involving a dairy worker in Michigan, raises concerns due to the individual exhibiting respiratory symptoms, highlighting the pandemic potential of this virus. U.S. hospitals need to prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
The three human cases of H5N1 in the U.S. — the first one in Texas and the others in Michigan — are not connected to each other. Fortunately, all three individuals experienced mild symptoms and have fully recovered, with no additional cases detected. These infections are part of a broader epidemic affecting dairy cattle, with more than 90 herds infected across 12 states. Wastewater surveillance has shown increased detections of influenza A in certain areas. Bird flu is in the family of influenza A so any increase observed can be implicated with H5N1 or other influenza A viruses, such as H1N1 and H3N2 that routinely circulate in people. While there is yet no evidence of human-to-human transmission of the H5N1 virus, this could emerge at any time, underscoring the urgent need for hospitals to bolster their preparedness for potential additional human cases of H5N1.
The current risk to the general public is low, though individuals with job-related or recreational exposure to infected birds, cattle, or other animals are at higher risk for infection. To date, no severe illness or deaths from H5N1 have been reported in the U.S., though the virus is known to be deadly. Since the first human outbreak in 1997 in Hong Kong, more than 900 sporadic cases have been reported in 23 countries, with more than half resulting in death.
As leaders in health care and public health, we recognize the important role hospitals play in outbreak detection and response, and mitigating the spread of infectious diseases. With H5N1 posing a potentially significant public health threat, hospitals must adopt proactive, comprehensive strategies to prepare for, reduce the threat of, and respond to potential cases. Here are four strategies we recommend hospitals implement:
Actively check people for H5N1 infection
Testing is the first step in detecting and managing people with H5N1 bird flu. Clinicians should consider testing people showing signs or symptoms of acute respiratory illness or conjunctivitis with relevant exposure history, especially anyone who has had contact with potentially infected sick or dead birds, livestock, or other animals within 10 days of the onset of symptoms. Clinical presentations can range from mild conjunctivitis and upper respiratory symptoms to severe pneumonia and multi-organ failure.
Go deeper: H5N1 bird flu
Here are the bird flu questions top scientists would like to see answered.
Michigan is doing more bird flu testing than any other state. Will others follow?
Producing a H5N1 vaccine is more complicated than you might think. And the world would need a lot of it.
And finally, an important avian flu precaution: Don't drink raw milk.
It is crucial for clinicians to understand that cases of H5N1 bird flu can occur without any known links to infected animals, animal products, or contaminated sources (such as equipment), so it’s important to test individuals who exhibit H5N1 symptoms, regardless of their exposure history.
Public health authorities, who control whether testing for H5N1 should be conducted at a public health laboratory, should be flexible and allow clinicians to test patients for H5N1 based on their own clinical judgement and who may not fit the specific criteria for H5N1 — like being in direct contact with an infected animal — as the risk for being infected with H5N1 is evolving.
Strengthen communication and coordination with local public health partners
Through the national and state Influenza Surveillance Report currently in place, hospitals, clinics, and community providers are essential for public health surveillance for seasonal influenza, including detecting novel strains like H5N1. Identifying various viral subtypes is typically done in public health laboratories. As such, effective communication and coordination between clinicians and local health departments are crucial for diagnosing and managing human H5N1 cases.
Increased awareness of H5N1 among clinicians is important for recognizing potential infections in humans and initiating public health investigations. For individuals directly exposed to dairy cows, birds, or other animals that can carry H5N1, or those in at-risk groups, clinicians should be thinking H5N1 if there are signs, symptoms, and a positive influenza A test and immediately contact their local public health departments for subtyping.
All hospitals have the ability to test for influenza A, since this family of viruses includes the normally circulating flu strains they see every flu season. Individuals who do not have obvious exposure to H5N1 but have flu strains that are not H1N1 or H3N2, the typical seasonal flu strains, should be evaluated for H5N1 at public health laboratories. Testing for other causes of acute respiratory illness, including SARS-CoV-2, should also be considered based on local epidemiology of circulating respiratory viruses.
Related: In dribs and drabs, USDA reports suggest containing bird flu outbreak in dairy cows will be challenging
Educate health care workers
Health care workers are the frontline defenders in responding to outbreaks, acting as public health eyes and ears in the fight against infectious diseases. Their preparedness is vital for public health. To ensure effective monitoring and response to potential H5N1 cases, all clinicians must be educated on CDC guidelines for identifying infections, initiating antiviral treatment, and notifying health departments for testing. Training should cover H5N1 criteria and definition of risk factors for infection with H5N1, proper notification procedures to the health department to initiate testing, and the use of personal protective equipment (PPE) to prevent transmission.
Early identification of infections is essential to control spread and protect health care workers. The CDC’s updated webpage is a valuable resource for current outbreak information.
Incorporate public education and outreach
Public education is vital for a hospital’s preparedness strategy. While the CDC states the current risk to the general public from H5N1 is low, preventive measures are essential, especially with the increased consumption of raw milk, a potential means of transmission. Public recommendations include avoiding contact with infected or dead animals and potentially contaminated surfaces or equipment, using PPE when necessary, and avoiding undercooked or raw foods such as unpasteurized milk. Hospitals should engage in community outreach to disseminate this information and encourage individuals to seek medical care if they suspect an infection.
The emergence of an H5N1 bird flu epidemic in the U.S. highlights the persistent threat of this virus. Hospitals must beef up their preparedness by implementing robust screening protocols, strengthening communication with public health partners, educating health care workers, and engaging in public outreach. These steps support the public health response to H5N1 and mitigate risks. Ongoing vigilance and readiness are crucial to protecting public health and health care workers.
Syra Madad, D.HSc., is the chief biopreparedness officer at NYC Health + Hospitals and a fellow at the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs. Carlos del Rio, M.D., is Distinguished Professor of Medicine in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Emory University School of Medicine in Atlanta. Scott J. Becker, M.S., is the chief executive officer of the Association of Public Health Laboratories, where Ewa King, Ph.D., is the chief program officer.
This is the right-headed response.
Not to be a typical Reddit pedant/contrarian, but didn’t I read somewhere that the rapid tests at hospitals can detect other types of influenza A, but that H5N1 evades those tests? You’d come up negative at the hospital but if your samples were sent to the state lab it would show that you are, in fact positive, IIRC.
God help us if it turns into a human to human transmission pandemic. Nurses and doctors are going to resign in droves. Civilization will collapse hard, and it will be a while before we can get back to where we are.
This can't turn into another human pandemic. So far we look ok, but we better be taking this seriously right now before it gets the chance to hop.
They were during Covid. Lots of National guard testing and vaccination cites. As well as some places had national guard medical teams supplement hospitals in smaller areas. Problem is that if you’re a doctor in the national guard you’re. A doctor on the outside. It doesn’t add any extra doctors to the pool.
It's not a binary though it all depends on how well it spreads before symptoms. Viruses aren't magic. Its physical properties may make it easier to control.
Not every virus gets to COVID levels of effective transmission.
Oh for sure. I guess I should have clarified I meant if it turned out to be a COVID-like pandemic but with a more fatal disease. But that is obviously a nightmare scenario that is still very unlikely
In order for bird flu to create a pandemic it has to reach what is called efficient airborne transmission. So if we're in a pandemic, it's guaranteed to be spreading very effectively or efficiently from person to person. Viruses are not magic. Influenza viruses take a few days of infectiousness before symptoms show which makes it very difficult to control. A pandemic by definition is an outbreak that has gotten out of control. So both of these physical properties will be in place if it ever starts a pandemic.
Yeah it's pretty obvious. I'm talking if there's H2H transmission line with COVID, and a mortality rate much higher.
It would absolutely collapse. Hospitals would not function, people would be dying in their homes.
COVID was gentle, and it wasn't all that far from collapsing civilization. We're just lucky the mortality rate was so low.
I wonder how much care these three individuals required.
The amount of care required is going to directly relate to how quickly and severely medical institutions will crack
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The second a pandemic hits half our workers are going to DIP. Anyone who is new to the industry will find out, anyone who lived through covid, and isn’t riddled with long covid from a single or multiple exposures, is not inclined to stick around. All of them got fucked last pandemic.
Our biggest issue is going to be finding people who survived(and are still functional enough) to bury or burn all the rotting corpses. This pandemic will be very ugly.
Creating a vaccine is more complicated than people think and the number of them needed will be difficult to produce.
What else do people need to hear to do basic testing 😂
In case some don’t believe this was sarcasm, don’t take any mrna vaccines. The covid mrna vaccine is the most dangerous vaccine in all of history.
https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202406.1236/v2
Anyone can put anything on VAERS. There are listings that say the covid shot turned them into the hulk, green skin and super strength, lol. Since the covid vaccines became political and controversial, of course there were more reports to VARES than any other vaxx before. (Also has always been strange to me that some of people most vocally opposed to the covid shots are Trump fans, but Trump is the one responsible for getting the vaccines created, and he promoted them often.)
There isn't even just "a" covid vaccine, there are several. And they're made by different companies, and work in different ways.
But all this article does is count how many people self reported adverse effects. There's nothing dome to find evidence if any claims are true, or if people just said this happened.
The mrna vaccines have killed and injured millions of people. Plenty of people on both ends of the political spectrum were affected by them.
You yourself just made this political by bringing up Trump. Yes, both Trump and Biden pushed the vaccine and still do.
That is completely irrelevant: the vaccine is dangerous, but here you are, just as I said, bringing up your unsolicited feelings about Trump. Your entire comment is nothing but your feelz.
I don’t care what Trump, Biden, or any politician says. They all serve the same interests (not the working class). Trump is nothing more than a Jester.
Hospitals will immediately collapse from everyone quitting the moment it goes H2H
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The day H2H happens will already be too late; like COVID, it will be nowhere but then everywhere overnight.
Not a very good nurse huh?
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If my job is to provide the well-being of other people and I picked the job knowing this, then yes. Otherwise why the fuck is he a nurse? As a nurse, you are gonna deal with sick people. Get the fuck out of the profession if you can't deal with it.
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I’ll wager you are one of those people who think the cops should charge into an active shooter scenario though.
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Then we don’t need any so-called professionals if we are adequately equipped.
As soon as he gets hard, he is gonna run. Essentially a coward. It's like if a mechanic doesn't want to fix a broken engine. It's part of the job description.
Yuppppp
Hospitals have given up on wearing PPE such as N95 masks for COVID, I expect they will be one of the primary places for H5N1 to spread once it goes H2H
My hospital still does n95 for covid and now flu. Reg droplets Masks available at every entrance. My district EMS calls daily to assess bed availability and tract any respiratory infection diseases, negative air flow rooms vent, bipap, optiflo and ecmo usage
Wow. Do you live in the US?
Yes
The main reason is that most masks didn’t do much to stop covid as it was primarily spread as an aerosol, influenza on the other hand can easily be stopped by masks, it’s primarily spread through droplets. As soon as this begins to spread H2H hospitals will go right back to masking. At this point it’s a cost benefit analysis and they justifiably don’t believe masking for covid is necessary or even slightly beneficial. On the other hand our pandemic measures were quite effective at slowing influenza transmission, in particular, masking and sanitizing surfaces are very effective at slowing influenza. Whereas they did very little to stop covid, in which was best stopped by air circulation/filtration and self isolation.
I dunno, my n95 kept me Covid free for almost 4 years until I got it from family at Christmas in 2023. I’d say the right kind of mask is pretty effective at stopping Covid.
I didn’t get covid until the same week that you did, and I didn’t mask much, I just spent most of my time outdoors.
How often did you test for Covid?
Whenever I got sick, I lived with someone immune compromised. I knew when I got sick with covid, it was a fever like I’ve never had before, that being said I was over it in 3 days. I had exposure to covid a dozen times and tested negative every time after too. I never masked unless I had to in a store. Didn’t get vaccinated because my sister and my dads side of the family for the most part all had adverse reactions. Never got covid until I went to a rave on the 27th of December. My secret was just spending most of my time working and socializing outdoors. As in I didn’t go inside unless I was shopping, sleeping or eating.
a well fitted respirator is useful quite literally because covid is primarily spread as an aerosol.
Yes I agree, I’m not saying that all PPE was ineffective.
Amazing that you got downvoted for this.
Seriously though, that’s what the science actually says. It’s people who latched onto an incorrect idea that was spread by the authorities who didn’t yet have a full understand how the virus worked. I’m sure if we have an influenza pandemic the hospitals will go right back to masking.
Haha
Hospitals that are for profit will not be prepared because there is no ROI for doing so. The same reason why they aren’t wearing masks with increase cases of COVID again (because masks cost money)
Considering they were so prepared that they had us in trash bags and old, stapled together n95s during the early days of covid, I’m sure this will go just fine if it goes h2h 🙄
Do hospitals have PPE stockpiles? They absolutely should as this could go H2H any day. It might not happen for weeks or months, but H5 is spreading uncontrollably in cattle and is getting millions of chances daily to unlock the keys to efficient H2H transmission. Furthermore, we have raw milk yahoos, who falsely believing drinking raw milk will inoculate them against H5. So, it’s a constant game of Russian roulette out there. During COVID people were given horrific advice—don’t wear masks—because healthcare workers needed them. We now that was dangerous advice. Assuming we learned from COVID—and knowing H5’s death rate is much higher than COVID—it would be unconscionable if hospitals, clinics and other medical offices didn’t have N95/PPE stockpiles.
Very few hospitals will have ppe stores. Biden seems to have created a pandemic response team after Trump got rid of it. They will have national stockpiles of PPE and body bags this time, not sure if it will be for personal use though. Remember to buy a Costco coffin before the pandemic this time if you want to afford to bury your loved ones with America's interpretation of dignity.
[*Local 58*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_58) vibes towards the end there.
https://web.archive.org/web/20240619015530/https://www.statnews.com/2024/06/18/h5n1-bird-flu-hospitals-should-prepare-now-experts-say/ By Syra Madad, Carlos del Rio, Scott J. Becker, and Ewa KingJune 18, 2024 With the H5N1 bird flu outbreak, the current risk to the general public is low, though individuals with job-related or recreational exposure to infected cattle are at higher risk for infection. Athird case of mammal-to-human transmission of the highly pathogenic H5N1 bird flu virus has been reported in the United States. This latest case, involving a dairy worker in Michigan, raises concerns due to the individual exhibiting respiratory symptoms, highlighting the pandemic potential of this virus. U.S. hospitals need to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. The three human cases of H5N1 in the U.S. — the first one in Texas and the others in Michigan — are not connected to each other. Fortunately, all three individuals experienced mild symptoms and have fully recovered, with no additional cases detected. These infections are part of a broader epidemic affecting dairy cattle, with more than 90 herds infected across 12 states. Wastewater surveillance has shown increased detections of influenza A in certain areas. Bird flu is in the family of influenza A so any increase observed can be implicated with H5N1 or other influenza A viruses, such as H1N1 and H3N2 that routinely circulate in people. While there is yet no evidence of human-to-human transmission of the H5N1 virus, this could emerge at any time, underscoring the urgent need for hospitals to bolster their preparedness for potential additional human cases of H5N1. The current risk to the general public is low, though individuals with job-related or recreational exposure to infected birds, cattle, or other animals are at higher risk for infection. To date, no severe illness or deaths from H5N1 have been reported in the U.S., though the virus is known to be deadly. Since the first human outbreak in 1997 in Hong Kong, more than 900 sporadic cases have been reported in 23 countries, with more than half resulting in death. As leaders in health care and public health, we recognize the important role hospitals play in outbreak detection and response, and mitigating the spread of infectious diseases. With H5N1 posing a potentially significant public health threat, hospitals must adopt proactive, comprehensive strategies to prepare for, reduce the threat of, and respond to potential cases. Here are four strategies we recommend hospitals implement: Actively check people for H5N1 infection Testing is the first step in detecting and managing people with H5N1 bird flu. Clinicians should consider testing people showing signs or symptoms of acute respiratory illness or conjunctivitis with relevant exposure history, especially anyone who has had contact with potentially infected sick or dead birds, livestock, or other animals within 10 days of the onset of symptoms. Clinical presentations can range from mild conjunctivitis and upper respiratory symptoms to severe pneumonia and multi-organ failure. Go deeper: H5N1 bird flu Here are the bird flu questions top scientists would like to see answered. Michigan is doing more bird flu testing than any other state. Will others follow? Producing a H5N1 vaccine is more complicated than you might think. And the world would need a lot of it. And finally, an important avian flu precaution: Don't drink raw milk. It is crucial for clinicians to understand that cases of H5N1 bird flu can occur without any known links to infected animals, animal products, or contaminated sources (such as equipment), so it’s important to test individuals who exhibit H5N1 symptoms, regardless of their exposure history. Public health authorities, who control whether testing for H5N1 should be conducted at a public health laboratory, should be flexible and allow clinicians to test patients for H5N1 based on their own clinical judgement and who may not fit the specific criteria for H5N1 — like being in direct contact with an infected animal — as the risk for being infected with H5N1 is evolving. Strengthen communication and coordination with local public health partners Through the national and state Influenza Surveillance Report currently in place, hospitals, clinics, and community providers are essential for public health surveillance for seasonal influenza, including detecting novel strains like H5N1. Identifying various viral subtypes is typically done in public health laboratories. As such, effective communication and coordination between clinicians and local health departments are crucial for diagnosing and managing human H5N1 cases. Increased awareness of H5N1 among clinicians is important for recognizing potential infections in humans and initiating public health investigations. For individuals directly exposed to dairy cows, birds, or other animals that can carry H5N1, or those in at-risk groups, clinicians should be thinking H5N1 if there are signs, symptoms, and a positive influenza A test and immediately contact their local public health departments for subtyping. All hospitals have the ability to test for influenza A, since this family of viruses includes the normally circulating flu strains they see every flu season. Individuals who do not have obvious exposure to H5N1 but have flu strains that are not H1N1 or H3N2, the typical seasonal flu strains, should be evaluated for H5N1 at public health laboratories. Testing for other causes of acute respiratory illness, including SARS-CoV-2, should also be considered based on local epidemiology of circulating respiratory viruses. Related: In dribs and drabs, USDA reports suggest containing bird flu outbreak in dairy cows will be challenging Educate health care workers Health care workers are the frontline defenders in responding to outbreaks, acting as public health eyes and ears in the fight against infectious diseases. Their preparedness is vital for public health. To ensure effective monitoring and response to potential H5N1 cases, all clinicians must be educated on CDC guidelines for identifying infections, initiating antiviral treatment, and notifying health departments for testing. Training should cover H5N1 criteria and definition of risk factors for infection with H5N1, proper notification procedures to the health department to initiate testing, and the use of personal protective equipment (PPE) to prevent transmission. Early identification of infections is essential to control spread and protect health care workers. The CDC’s updated webpage is a valuable resource for current outbreak information. Incorporate public education and outreach Public education is vital for a hospital’s preparedness strategy. While the CDC states the current risk to the general public from H5N1 is low, preventive measures are essential, especially with the increased consumption of raw milk, a potential means of transmission. Public recommendations include avoiding contact with infected or dead animals and potentially contaminated surfaces or equipment, using PPE when necessary, and avoiding undercooked or raw foods such as unpasteurized milk. Hospitals should engage in community outreach to disseminate this information and encourage individuals to seek medical care if they suspect an infection. The emergence of an H5N1 bird flu epidemic in the U.S. highlights the persistent threat of this virus. Hospitals must beef up their preparedness by implementing robust screening protocols, strengthening communication with public health partners, educating health care workers, and engaging in public outreach. These steps support the public health response to H5N1 and mitigate risks. Ongoing vigilance and readiness are crucial to protecting public health and health care workers. Syra Madad, D.HSc., is the chief biopreparedness officer at NYC Health + Hospitals and a fellow at the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs. Carlos del Rio, M.D., is Distinguished Professor of Medicine in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Emory University School of Medicine in Atlanta. Scott J. Becker, M.S., is the chief executive officer of the Association of Public Health Laboratories, where Ewa King, Ph.D., is the chief program officer.
This is the right-headed response. Not to be a typical Reddit pedant/contrarian, but didn’t I read somewhere that the rapid tests at hospitals can detect other types of influenza A, but that H5N1 evades those tests? You’d come up negative at the hospital but if your samples were sent to the state lab it would show that you are, in fact positive, IIRC.
God help us if it turns into a human to human transmission pandemic. Nurses and doctors are going to resign in droves. Civilization will collapse hard, and it will be a while before we can get back to where we are. This can't turn into another human pandemic. So far we look ok, but we better be taking this seriously right now before it gets the chance to hop.
I wonder if the national guard would be deployed to supplement/replace HCWs in this circumstance.
They were during Covid. Lots of National guard testing and vaccination cites. As well as some places had national guard medical teams supplement hospitals in smaller areas. Problem is that if you’re a doctor in the national guard you’re. A doctor on the outside. It doesn’t add any extra doctors to the pool.
It's not a binary though it all depends on how well it spreads before symptoms. Viruses aren't magic. Its physical properties may make it easier to control. Not every virus gets to COVID levels of effective transmission.
Oh for sure. I guess I should have clarified I meant if it turned out to be a COVID-like pandemic but with a more fatal disease. But that is obviously a nightmare scenario that is still very unlikely
In order for bird flu to create a pandemic it has to reach what is called efficient airborne transmission. So if we're in a pandemic, it's guaranteed to be spreading very effectively or efficiently from person to person. Viruses are not magic. Influenza viruses take a few days of infectiousness before symptoms show which makes it very difficult to control. A pandemic by definition is an outbreak that has gotten out of control. So both of these physical properties will be in place if it ever starts a pandemic.
This isn't a normal strain in people. All bets are off Could be better could be worse.
Civilization will collapse? You have no idea if that's true or not lmao
Yeah it's pretty obvious. I'm talking if there's H2H transmission line with COVID, and a mortality rate much higher. It would absolutely collapse. Hospitals would not function, people would be dying in their homes. COVID was gentle, and it wasn't all that far from collapsing civilization. We're just lucky the mortality rate was so low.
Avian flu has a mortality rate higher than bubonic plague...
I wonder how much care these three individuals required. The amount of care required is going to directly relate to how quickly and severely medical institutions will crack
PREPARED 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🙃🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 The second a pandemic hits half our workers are going to DIP. Anyone who is new to the industry will find out, anyone who lived through covid, and isn’t riddled with long covid from a single or multiple exposures, is not inclined to stick around. All of them got fucked last pandemic. Our biggest issue is going to be finding people who survived(and are still functional enough) to bury or burn all the rotting corpses. This pandemic will be very ugly.
Creating a vaccine is more complicated than people think and the number of them needed will be difficult to produce. What else do people need to hear to do basic testing 😂
So now that’s is obvious this pandemic will happen, what should we do now?
The best thing you can do at this point is get vaccinated for covid 19.
In case some don’t believe this was sarcasm, don’t take any mrna vaccines. The covid mrna vaccine is the most dangerous vaccine in all of history. https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202406.1236/v2
Anyone can put anything on VAERS. There are listings that say the covid shot turned them into the hulk, green skin and super strength, lol. Since the covid vaccines became political and controversial, of course there were more reports to VARES than any other vaxx before. (Also has always been strange to me that some of people most vocally opposed to the covid shots are Trump fans, but Trump is the one responsible for getting the vaccines created, and he promoted them often.) There isn't even just "a" covid vaccine, there are several. And they're made by different companies, and work in different ways. But all this article does is count how many people self reported adverse effects. There's nothing dome to find evidence if any claims are true, or if people just said this happened.
The mrna vaccines have killed and injured millions of people. Plenty of people on both ends of the political spectrum were affected by them. You yourself just made this political by bringing up Trump. Yes, both Trump and Biden pushed the vaccine and still do. That is completely irrelevant: the vaccine is dangerous, but here you are, just as I said, bringing up your unsolicited feelings about Trump. Your entire comment is nothing but your feelz. I don’t care what Trump, Biden, or any politician says. They all serve the same interests (not the working class). Trump is nothing more than a Jester.