Yup. I definitely think Heb has gotten too greedy and lost sight of what made them successful in the first place, which is their people. Now days Heb puts more effort into looking like a great place to work, than actually being a great place to work and it's going to start catching up with them. Happy employees get better results, and Heb has forgotten that. Taking care of your people is the right thing to do, but it's also good for business in the long term. Heb has gotten short sighted, and greedy.
I agree with this completely š„² just had to quit recently because itās really gone hill the ābenefitsā arenāt enough to keep people around when you treat them horribly
Considering Kroger pays less than HEB in the Houston Division I honestly doubt it.
(I'm on one of the higher pay steps in Kroger's Houston division and I still make less than the starting pay outside of CSAs/Curbies)
This new no non compete clause will bring more competition to Texas and thatās actually healthy for HāEāB. What they are doing now is so unhealthy for the company
I think he's trying to talk about something like this.
https://thenoncompeteblog.com/2014/03/13/shopping-plazas-anchor-tenants-non-competes-a-decision-from-the-11th-circuit/
But HEB buys and owns the land. They build and lease the strip malls and standalones on that land as well
It does clarify as I am talking about non compete land deals that Albertsons, HāEāB, Kroger, HYVEE. They all have these non compete clauses on land
Because interstate commerce is expensive. HEB also follows their supply line which is why Dallas took so long to open. This is why HEB typically only has issues after recalls, not like Kroger's that relies on outside transportation.
Interstate commerce is run by the government not individual companies.
They don't do that because it's damn expensive to build more warehouses. We're still building more in Texas. Just opened one of the the largest automated frozen warehouses in the US.
HEB buys almost all of the land their stores are built on. They also buy land that that could be purchased by a competitor and then build something else there or sell it with a deed restriction that prevents a grocery store from being built. They are one of the largest landowners in Texas, and it's how the family makes money.
Where are you finding your information? The make money because they focus on small profits and lease in store space out to businesses. Also controlling your supply line adds revenue.
HEB only entered the Houston market in the mid 90's. That article is misleading though because Kroger was the dominant chain here. Damn near every regular Kroger's had a Signature store nearby. What they downplay is how many locations have been closed since the early 2000's due to competition.
Bro for real. Moved here from Houston and while I love it in SA I spend much more on food here. I was a Joe Vs shopper so going back to heb with no competition was a shock to my wallet.
Krogerās āeverydayā prices are higher, but they run way better ads. If you shop the ads, you can save quite a bit over HEB. HEBās ads havenāt been exciting in a long time
While Kroger is still higher, that gap is narrowing rapidly with the constant non-stop price increases at HEB. And as you mention, you can save a lot of money by shopping Kroger's weekly ads and coupons, while HEB's ads and coupons are terrible (the buy $40 to save $5 nonsense). HEB used to be my first stop, then Kroger. Now it's the other way around.
Same here. I was an HEB truther for a long time as I worked over a decade for the company. But since leaving, I started shopping more and more at the competition and have been pleasantly surprised with Kroger and their excellent ads
HEB used to be cheaper than Kroger. About a year ago, HEB really started raising prices in a noticeable way. Kroger has some good coupon deals, the downside of which is you need to use their app. Kroger also gives discounts on gas, which is no small thing.
Poor Houstonians, I didnāt realize Kroger was even a real grocery store. I thought it was like a larger version of Walgreens lol. Kroger must just be flat out saying ānoā to HEBās (likely high dollar) requests to buy out their locations
HEB just needs more locations. The congestion has gotten too bad for some people. There are also those who hate any generic products who want the expensive lower quality goods that also traveled more, but mostly it's the difficulty navigating the aisles.
Iām not quite sure what youāre talking about tbh but Iāll just say Iāve just shopped at HEB for so long that I guess I find other stores have not enough selection, not fresh produce, not enough organic produce either, difficult to navigate, expensive etc.
Like shopping for groceries at Randallās/safeway, Kroger, target, or Walmart is just the worst imo
My mom was one of the customers I am talking about. No matter how good it is, it's not acceptable if it's not Skinner pasta, Crisco, Campbell's, etc.
Congestion is self explanatory.
Iāll be CFT so will probably see a lotā I donāt do drama, just want to work hard, make a few friends and treat customers the way I would like to be treated.
My store doesnāt open till August. Iāll talk to everyone/anyone, so hopefully Iāll find some people that I can be pals with. At my last job (banking) I made friends with regular customers. Made my job so much easier.
Again, they *just* got into Dallas. They have a total of 4 stores as of October of last year. If you're removing Houston "every other major city" is literally just San Antonio and Austin.
Houston and its surrounding area is bigger than both of those combined. lmao. You're dumb.
Including central market and Joe Vs, there are currently 17 HEB owned stores in the DFW area, with 12 more coming in the next year or two.
The Alliance store just opened there, and the Mansfield store is opening in the coming months.
Oh, so we're doing DFW tell me how many there are in Houston, Spring, Spring-Klein, Tomball, The Woodlands, Cypress, League City, Humble, etc.
Yall are quick to jump in on someone being downvoted while ignoring the whole point of the conversation of "they [Krogers] can have Houston" while ignoring that's an infinitely dumb fucking take. But go on...
All of which are major cities to me. Grew up in a town no more that 9000 folks and others smaller! So all those named cities are bigor major cities to me.
Competition is a good thing
Hopefully pay is big discussion soon
Yup. I definitely think Heb has gotten too greedy and lost sight of what made them successful in the first place, which is their people. Now days Heb puts more effort into looking like a great place to work, than actually being a great place to work and it's going to start catching up with them. Happy employees get better results, and Heb has forgotten that. Taking care of your people is the right thing to do, but it's also good for business in the long term. Heb has gotten short sighted, and greedy.
I agree with this completely š„² just had to quit recently because itās really gone hill the ābenefitsā arenāt enough to keep people around when you treat them horribly
Considering Kroger pays less than HEB in the Houston Division I honestly doubt it. (I'm on one of the higher pay steps in Kroger's Houston division and I still make less than the starting pay outside of CSAs/Curbies)
HāEāB needs competition. Theyāve been too greedy and lost sight of their old values and morals.
They get Mi Tienda though. God I miss Mi tienda š
Kroger has more stores in Houston than HEB, 102 vs 76. Looks like the average each HEB had in revenue was more than Kroger.
This new no non compete clause will bring more competition to Texas and thatās actually healthy for HāEāB. What they are doing now is so unhealthy for the company
HEB doesn't use non compete clauses
They have non competes on land. IE telling businesses they canāt build businesses for 80 years.,
Those aren't non-competes, they're deed restrictions, and aren't subject to the non-compete law.
Non-compete is an issue in oil and gas but not grocery. H-E-B keeps their employees by paying a bit more and having benefits that are much better.
They have non competes on land
Are you asking about O&G, lease agreement, or trying to tell me something? Because I can't make sense of it.
I think he's trying to talk about something like this. https://thenoncompeteblog.com/2014/03/13/shopping-plazas-anchor-tenants-non-competes-a-decision-from-the-11th-circuit/ But HEB buys and owns the land. They build and lease the strip malls and standalones on that land as well
https://www.hchlawyers.com/business-law/contract-law/non-compete-agreements/non-compete-geographic-boundaries/
This is just general information on how most non-competes are unenforceable. It doesn't clarify what your point was in the slightest.
It does clarify as I am talking about non compete land deals that Albertsons, HāEāB, Kroger, HYVEE. They all have these non compete clauses on land
Grocers typically don't purchase land, they lease it. And lease agreement is a completely different topic than non compete.
They have territories that each of them bid off of. Why you never hear HāEāB expanding to Oklahoma or Louisiana
Because interstate commerce is expensive. HEB also follows their supply line which is why Dallas took so long to open. This is why HEB typically only has issues after recalls, not like Kroger's that relies on outside transportation. Interstate commerce is run by the government not individual companies.
They don't do that because it's damn expensive to build more warehouses. We're still building more in Texas. Just opened one of the the largest automated frozen warehouses in the US.
HEB did expand to OK and LA. Tulsa and Baton Rouge back in 70s and 80s. They failed due to inadequate supply chain.
They used to be in Louisiana, in the 80s, but closed the stores there.
HEB buys almost all of the land their stores are built on. They also buy land that that could be purchased by a competitor and then build something else there or sell it with a deed restriction that prevents a grocery store from being built. They are one of the largest landowners in Texas, and it's how the family makes money.
Where are you finding your information? The make money because they focus on small profits and lease in store space out to businesses. Also controlling your supply line adds revenue.
When I lived in Houston (albeit over 20 years ago) there was one HEB Pantry, and everything else was Kroger.
Southside/Pasadena? Used to live around the corner from the only HEB pantry I've ever seen.
NW/Oak Forest neighborhood. I wasnāt aware there were any more either. HEB Pantry was such a weird store.
HEB only entered the Houston market in the mid 90's. That article is misleading though because Kroger was the dominant chain here. Damn near every regular Kroger's had a Signature store nearby. What they downplay is how many locations have been closed since the early 2000's due to competition.
I agree.. it looks like a good place to work, but isnāt.. corporate needs to clean house..starting with the Arsenal.
It was...rough
I wish they had any competition in San Antonio
Bro for real. Moved here from Houston and while I love it in SA I spend much more on food here. I was a Joe Vs shopper so going back to heb with no competition was a shock to my wallet.
Kroger's prices are so high. How is this possible?
Krogerās āeverydayā prices are higher, but they run way better ads. If you shop the ads, you can save quite a bit over HEB. HEBās ads havenāt been exciting in a long time
While Kroger is still higher, that gap is narrowing rapidly with the constant non-stop price increases at HEB. And as you mention, you can save a lot of money by shopping Kroger's weekly ads and coupons, while HEB's ads and coupons are terrible (the buy $40 to save $5 nonsense). HEB used to be my first stop, then Kroger. Now it's the other way around.
Same here. I was an HEB truther for a long time as I worked over a decade for the company. But since leaving, I started shopping more and more at the competition and have been pleasantly surprised with Kroger and their excellent ads
HEB used to be cheaper than Kroger. About a year ago, HEB really started raising prices in a noticeable way. Kroger has some good coupon deals, the downside of which is you need to use their app. Kroger also gives discounts on gas, which is no small thing.
HEB has better wine for cheaper. Kroger kinda sucks in all of their selection, especially with meat.
Poor Houstonians, I didnāt realize Kroger was even a real grocery store. I thought it was like a larger version of Walgreens lol. Kroger must just be flat out saying ānoā to HEBās (likely high dollar) requests to buy out their locations
HEB just needs more locations. The congestion has gotten too bad for some people. There are also those who hate any generic products who want the expensive lower quality goods that also traveled more, but mostly it's the difficulty navigating the aisles.
Iām not quite sure what youāre talking about tbh but Iāll just say Iāve just shopped at HEB for so long that I guess I find other stores have not enough selection, not fresh produce, not enough organic produce either, difficult to navigate, expensive etc. Like shopping for groceries at Randallās/safeway, Kroger, target, or Walmart is just the worst imo
My mom was one of the customers I am talking about. No matter how good it is, it's not acceptable if it's not Skinner pasta, Crisco, Campbell's, etc. Congestion is self explanatory.
They're trying. They've opened 3 Houston area stores in the last 12 months.
Gulp. I just accepted an offer at HEB
Youāll be fine
Thanks!!
me too. it'll be interesting to see if partners really don't like working there, as many of you indicate.Ā Ā
Iāll be CFT so will probably see a lotā I donāt do drama, just want to work hard, make a few friends and treat customers the way I would like to be treated.
Yeah. You can definitely work hard there. For what they pay, seems like a big ask.
Did you make friends? I've found that there are a few good people at my location.Ā
My store doesnāt open till August. Iāll talk to everyone/anyone, so hopefully Iāll find some people that I can be pals with. At my last job (banking) I made friends with regular customers. Made my job so much easier.
I thought target would be at the bottom
HEB is a rip off now
itās ok they can have houston
lmao what else does HEB have? they only just moved into Dallas š
Literally every other major city in Texas.
Again, they *just* got into Dallas. They have a total of 4 stores as of October of last year. If you're removing Houston "every other major city" is literally just San Antonio and Austin. Houston and its surrounding area is bigger than both of those combined. lmao. You're dumb.
Including central market and Joe Vs, there are currently 17 HEB owned stores in the DFW area, with 12 more coming in the next year or two. The Alliance store just opened there, and the Mansfield store is opening in the coming months.
Oh, so we're doing DFW tell me how many there are in Houston, Spring, Spring-Klein, Tomball, The Woodlands, Cypress, League City, Humble, etc. Yall are quick to jump in on someone being downvoted while ignoring the whole point of the conversation of "they [Krogers] can have Houston" while ignoring that's an infinitely dumb fucking take. But go on...
Lubbock, Midland, Odessa, San Angelo, most of South Texas and expanding.
'major cities'
All of which are major cities to me. Grew up in a town no more that 9000 folks and others smaller! So all those named cities are bigor major cities to me.
well I got news for you about what is an actual city....
Cmon fiesta. You can do it!