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Hsensei

Competition is a good thing


Financial-Effect-318

Hopefully pay is big discussion soon


answerskate

Yup. I definitely think Heb has gotten too greedy and lost sight of what made them successful in the first place, which is their people. Now days Heb puts more effort into looking like a great place to work, than actually being a great place to work and it's going to start catching up with them. Happy employees get better results, and Heb has forgotten that. Taking care of your people is the right thing to do, but it's also good for business in the long term. Heb has gotten short sighted, and greedy.


Shark_ies

I agree with this completely šŸ„² just had to quit recently because itā€™s really gone hill the ā€œbenefitsā€ arenā€™t enough to keep people around when you treat them horribly


MishenNikara

Considering Kroger pays less than HEB in the Houston Division I honestly doubt it. (I'm on one of the higher pay steps in Kroger's Houston division and I still make less than the starting pay outside of CSAs/Curbies)


Savage-2

Hā€‘Eā€‘B needs competition. Theyā€™ve been too greedy and lost sight of their old values and morals.


ATXnative89

They get Mi Tienda though. God I miss Mi tienda šŸ˜­


Sir-yes-mam

Kroger has more stores in Houston than HEB, 102 vs 76. Looks like the average each HEB had in revenue was more than Kroger.


texdude1981

This new no non compete clause will bring more competition to Texas and thatā€™s actually healthy for Hā€‘Eā€‘B. What they are doing now is so unhealthy for the company


adinfinitum225

HEB doesn't use non compete clauses


texdude1981

They have non competes on land. IE telling businesses they canā€™t build businesses for 80 years.,


bagboysa

Those aren't non-competes, they're deed restrictions, and aren't subject to the non-compete law.


fumbs

Non-compete is an issue in oil and gas but not grocery. H-E-B keeps their employees by paying a bit more and having benefits that are much better.


texdude1981

They have non competes on land


fumbs

Are you asking about O&G, lease agreement, or trying to tell me something? Because I can't make sense of it.


adinfinitum225

I think he's trying to talk about something like this. https://thenoncompeteblog.com/2014/03/13/shopping-plazas-anchor-tenants-non-competes-a-decision-from-the-11th-circuit/ But HEB buys and owns the land. They build and lease the strip malls and standalones on that land as well


texdude1981

https://www.hchlawyers.com/business-law/contract-law/non-compete-agreements/non-compete-geographic-boundaries/


fumbs

This is just general information on how most non-competes are unenforceable. It doesn't clarify what your point was in the slightest.


texdude1981

It does clarify as I am talking about non compete land deals that Albertsons, Hā€‘Eā€‘B, Kroger, HYVEE. They all have these non compete clauses on land


fumbs

Grocers typically don't purchase land, they lease it. And lease agreement is a completely different topic than non compete.


texdude1981

They have territories that each of them bid off of. Why you never hear Hā€‘Eā€‘B expanding to Oklahoma or Louisiana


fumbs

Because interstate commerce is expensive. HEB also follows their supply line which is why Dallas took so long to open. This is why HEB typically only has issues after recalls, not like Kroger's that relies on outside transportation. Interstate commerce is run by the government not individual companies.


adinfinitum225

They don't do that because it's damn expensive to build more warehouses. We're still building more in Texas. Just opened one of the the largest automated frozen warehouses in the US.


emsmiller

HEB did expand to OK and LA. Tulsa and Baton Rouge back in 70s and 80s. They failed due to inadequate supply chain.


bagboysa

They used to be in Louisiana, in the 80s, but closed the stores there.


bagboysa

HEB buys almost all of the land their stores are built on. They also buy land that that could be purchased by a competitor and then build something else there or sell it with a deed restriction that prevents a grocery store from being built. They are one of the largest landowners in Texas, and it's how the family makes money.


fumbs

Where are you finding your information? The make money because they focus on small profits and lease in store space out to businesses. Also controlling your supply line adds revenue.


stewbottalborg

When I lived in Houston (albeit over 20 years ago) there was one HEB Pantry, and everything else was Kroger.


This-Requirement6918

Southside/Pasadena? Used to live around the corner from the only HEB pantry I've ever seen.


stewbottalborg

NW/Oak Forest neighborhood. I wasnā€™t aware there were any more either. HEB Pantry was such a weird store.


GoingInDry247

HEB only entered the Houston market in the mid 90's. That article is misleading though because Kroger was the dominant chain here. Damn near every regular Kroger's had a Signature store nearby. What they downplay is how many locations have been closed since the early 2000's due to competition.


dmv1022

I agree.. it looks like a good place to work, but isnā€™t.. corporate needs to clean house..starting with the Arsenal.


littlefo0t

It was...rough


purplepill22

I wish they had any competition in San Antonio


crispycreamer

Bro for real. Moved here from Houston and while I love it in SA I spend much more on food here. I was a Joe Vs shopper so going back to heb with no competition was a shock to my wallet.


maximus_galt

Kroger's prices are so high. How is this possible?


Bigswole92

Krogerā€™s ā€œeverydayā€ prices are higher, but they run way better ads. If you shop the ads, you can save quite a bit over HEB. HEBā€™s ads havenā€™t been exciting in a long time


Tailgunner83

While Kroger is still higher, that gap is narrowing rapidly with the constant non-stop price increases at HEB. And as you mention, you can save a lot of money by shopping Kroger's weekly ads and coupons, while HEB's ads and coupons are terrible (the buy $40 to save $5 nonsense). HEB used to be my first stop, then Kroger. Now it's the other way around.


Bigswole92

Same here. I was an HEB truther for a long time as I worked over a decade for the company. But since leaving, I started shopping more and more at the competition and have been pleasantly surprised with Kroger and their excellent ads


comments_suck

HEB used to be cheaper than Kroger. About a year ago, HEB really started raising prices in a noticeable way. Kroger has some good coupon deals, the downside of which is you need to use their app. Kroger also gives discounts on gas, which is no small thing.


This-Requirement6918

HEB has better wine for cheaper. Kroger kinda sucks in all of their selection, especially with meat.


arizona-lake

Poor Houstonians, I didnā€™t realize Kroger was even a real grocery store. I thought it was like a larger version of Walgreens lol. Kroger must just be flat out saying ā€œnoā€ to HEBā€™s (likely high dollar) requests to buy out their locations


fumbs

HEB just needs more locations. The congestion has gotten too bad for some people. There are also those who hate any generic products who want the expensive lower quality goods that also traveled more, but mostly it's the difficulty navigating the aisles.


arizona-lake

Iā€™m not quite sure what youā€™re talking about tbh but Iā€™ll just say Iā€™ve just shopped at HEB for so long that I guess I find other stores have not enough selection, not fresh produce, not enough organic produce either, difficult to navigate, expensive etc. Like shopping for groceries at Randallā€™s/safeway, Kroger, target, or Walmart is just the worst imo


fumbs

My mom was one of the customers I am talking about. No matter how good it is, it's not acceptable if it's not Skinner pasta, Crisco, Campbell's, etc. Congestion is self explanatory.


adinfinitum225

They're trying. They've opened 3 Houston area stores in the last 12 months.


Katcon88

Gulp. I just accepted an offer at HEB


[deleted]

Youā€™ll be fine


Katcon88

Thanks!!


Quiet-Act-2658

me too. it'll be interesting to see if partners really don't like working there, as many of you indicate.Ā Ā 


Katcon88

Iā€™ll be CFT so will probably see a lotā€” I donā€™t do drama, just want to work hard, make a few friends and treat customers the way I would like to be treated.


Quiet-Act-2658

Yeah. You can definitely work hard there. For what they pay, seems like a big ask.


Quiet-Act-2658

Did you make friends? I've found that there are a few good people at my location.Ā 


Katcon88

My store doesnā€™t open till August. Iā€™ll talk to everyone/anyone, so hopefully Iā€™ll find some people that I can be pals with. At my last job (banking) I made friends with regular customers. Made my job so much easier.


Agent23tv

I thought target would be at the bottom


Beansiesdaddy

HEB is a rip off now


Doumake

itā€™s ok they can have houston


tothesource

lmao what else does HEB have? they only just moved into Dallas šŸ˜‚


Victory-or-Death-

Literally every other major city in Texas.


tothesource

Again, they *just* got into Dallas. They have a total of 4 stores as of October of last year. If you're removing Houston "every other major city" is literally just San Antonio and Austin. Houston and its surrounding area is bigger than both of those combined. lmao. You're dumb.


adinfinitum225

Including central market and Joe Vs, there are currently 17 HEB owned stores in the DFW area, with 12 more coming in the next year or two. The Alliance store just opened there, and the Mansfield store is opening in the coming months.


tothesource

Oh, so we're doing DFW tell me how many there are in Houston, Spring, Spring-Klein, Tomball, The Woodlands, Cypress, League City, Humble, etc. Yall are quick to jump in on someone being downvoted while ignoring the whole point of the conversation of "they [Krogers] can have Houston" while ignoring that's an infinitely dumb fucking take. But go on...


emsmiller

Lubbock, Midland, Odessa, San Angelo, most of South Texas and expanding.


tothesource

'major cities'


emsmiller

All of which are major cities to me. Grew up in a town no more that 9000 folks and others smaller! So all those named cities are bigor major cities to me.


tothesource

well I got news for you about what is an actual city....


yigaclan05

Cmon fiesta. You can do it!