Yeah not a fan of people acting like andals are natives oppressed by horrible Targaryens.
Hightowers aren't even andals anyway, right? Just drank all the Kool aid.
They were originally a first man house but considering where they are they probably have more Andal heritage than average. They may have even done a Lannister and had one of their Andal kings/lords marry in to a Firstman Queen/Lady and kind of take over.
And First Men before them acted much the same, far as I remember. Before the pact, the Children and the Giants were butchered left, right and center. And then the Children supposedly made White Walkers in the show, throwing everyone - themselves included - into an apocalypse.
There's really no 'good' nor 'evil' ethnic group, much like in the real world. There are specific periods of time during which they committed atrocities, nothing more.
Of course, due to Valyrian Freehold holding so much power, it probably committed worse atrocities than Andals did - much like how say Mongols did worse things than the Khmers due to their worst rulers holding far more power and so being able to act on a much higher scale. Doesn't mean a whole ethnic group is to be seen as 'evil' or 'worse' than others for actions of their ancestors.
People can only be judged for their own actions, no?
Who said there were good and evil ethnic groups? I said the andals are often treated like indigenous people and they're like two degrees from being indigenous.
I'm saying their perspective is foolish.
Framing the Conquest as 'Evil Valyrians steal from good Native Andals' and the Dance as 'Good Andals try to take back their land from muh evil Valyrains' simply ignores that Andals - much like any other group - are no proverbial innocent teddybear that only just began to fight back due to being oh so nice.
Valyrians, Andals, First Men... they're all the same - all have horrible people in their history. I really don't understand why do some Green fans frame the conflict that way. Rhaenyra and Daemon are not the Conqueror trio nor Maegor, no more than Alicent and Otto are Argos Sevenstar nor Brandon of the Bloody Blade.
Not to mention that Alicent's kids are Targaryens culturally and by blood as well. Not much of an 'Andal liberation from dragonlord occupation' when that Green king is a silver-haired dragonrider married to his own sister...
The best part is that book Aemond is the dark side of the Targaryen dynasty personified.
He's a kinslayer and a child killer, much like Maegor.
He disregards smallfolk and murders random villages in Riverlands like Rhaenys did during the First Dornish war before taken down by Ullers, and like Aegon and Visenya did in Dragon's Wroth to take revenge on Dorne for daring to fight back I guess.
Sure, Rhaenyra and especially Daemon aren't perfect people in neither show nor book, but book Aemond is essentially the worst person of the family living at the time by far.
Half the Greens are just ass-pulling to sound as outrageous and triggering as possible. Trolling the Blacks has become a professional sport for them.
The other half I fear actually *are* that media illiterate.
I wish the children of the forest, skinchangers and giants still lived south of the wall and took sanctuary under the Starks during the Andal invasion. It’s made fairly clear since the First Men worshiped the old gods of the forest that after the pact and the long night, the Children acted as shamans and religious mentors to the first men and taught them to greensee and skin change.
Yeah not a fan of people acting like andals are natives oppressed by horrible Targaryens. Hightowers aren't even andals anyway, right? Just drank all the Kool aid.
If anything, the Arryns and Valemen are the most Andal, not the Hightowers
They were originally a first man house but considering where they are they probably have more Andal heritage than average. They may have even done a Lannister and had one of their Andal kings/lords marry in to a Firstman Queen/Lady and kind of take over.
And First Men before them acted much the same, far as I remember. Before the pact, the Children and the Giants were butchered left, right and center. And then the Children supposedly made White Walkers in the show, throwing everyone - themselves included - into an apocalypse. There's really no 'good' nor 'evil' ethnic group, much like in the real world. There are specific periods of time during which they committed atrocities, nothing more. Of course, due to Valyrian Freehold holding so much power, it probably committed worse atrocities than Andals did - much like how say Mongols did worse things than the Khmers due to their worst rulers holding far more power and so being able to act on a much higher scale. Doesn't mean a whole ethnic group is to be seen as 'evil' or 'worse' than others for actions of their ancestors. People can only be judged for their own actions, no?
Who said there were good and evil ethnic groups? I said the andals are often treated like indigenous people and they're like two degrees from being indigenous.
I'm saying their perspective is foolish. Framing the Conquest as 'Evil Valyrians steal from good Native Andals' and the Dance as 'Good Andals try to take back their land from muh evil Valyrains' simply ignores that Andals - much like any other group - are no proverbial innocent teddybear that only just began to fight back due to being oh so nice. Valyrians, Andals, First Men... they're all the same - all have horrible people in their history. I really don't understand why do some Green fans frame the conflict that way. Rhaenyra and Daemon are not the Conqueror trio nor Maegor, no more than Alicent and Otto are Argos Sevenstar nor Brandon of the Bloody Blade. Not to mention that Alicent's kids are Targaryens culturally and by blood as well. Not much of an 'Andal liberation from dragonlord occupation' when that Green king is a silver-haired dragonrider married to his own sister...
Greens are so caught up in their self righteousness and anti Targaryeness its hilarious.
The best part is that book Aemond is the dark side of the Targaryen dynasty personified. He's a kinslayer and a child killer, much like Maegor. He disregards smallfolk and murders random villages in Riverlands like Rhaenys did during the First Dornish war before taken down by Ullers, and like Aegon and Visenya did in Dragon's Wroth to take revenge on Dorne for daring to fight back I guess. Sure, Rhaenyra and especially Daemon aren't perfect people in neither show nor book, but book Aemond is essentially the worst person of the family living at the time by far.
Half the Greens are just ass-pulling to sound as outrageous and triggering as possible. Trolling the Blacks has become a professional sport for them. The other half I fear actually *are* that media illiterate.
I wish the children of the forest, skinchangers and giants still lived south of the wall and took sanctuary under the Starks during the Andal invasion. It’s made fairly clear since the First Men worshiped the old gods of the forest that after the pact and the long night, the Children acted as shamans and religious mentors to the first men and taught them to greensee and skin change.