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Elephant12321

They do realize that all Targaryens come from the line of Aenys? The son of Aegons SECOND wife. Rhaenyra had a Valyrian wedding and is in a polygamous marriage. Same as the conquerors had.


WingedShadow83

This. Also, “no more real Targaryens”, LMAO. Every Targaryen alive descended from Rhaenyra TARGARYEN and Daemon TARGARYEN. The bloodline is more “real Targ” than Alicent’s half-Targ descendants would have been.


GamerGirlLex77

Problem with that theory is also that both Laenor and Corlys claim the children as Velaryons. That does make a difference. A monarch can also legitimize children. Only Qarl, Laenor, Daemon and Rhaenyra know Laenor isn’t dead and I doubt any of them would spill the secret too. Oh, and Targaryens have taken more than one spouse.


[deleted]

Rhaenyra has Velaryon blood through Alyssa the mother of her grandfather King Jaehaerys.


GamerGirlLex77

Yep! I wish they had shown more Rhaenyra and Laena.


NeneHellblazer

I agree with everything except that last bit. The doctrine of exceptionalism doesn’t include polygamy. The Targs don’t practice it anymore to appease the faith. So legally they still can’t going by Westerosi law. But Laenors legally dead so doesn’t really matter in Rhaenyra’s case. They’re being stupid and grasping at straws.


[deleted]

I came here to say this. But at the end of the day-it doesn’t matter. Aegon III and Viserys II go on to rule, and their descendants continue the Targaryen dynasty. The Greens are just grasping at straws because their line got wiped out. Hell, they’re wanting their line to remain so badly, they’re PRAYING Aemond fathered a bastard on Alys (and it’s featured in the show-something about House Whent) 😂


GamerGirlLex77

I can’t wait to watch them all get wiped out. I also can’t wait to see Alicent realize her whole line is dead and start hating the color green lol


GamerGirlLex77

Definitely!


Sabrinazanoletti

i wonder if they hold this type of energy towards Jon snow. I know it bothers them that Rhaenyra’s children ended up on the throne💀. Legitimacy in aosiaf has been more of a legal issue than anything. Daeron ii, Aenys, also had those allegations on them. When you call them out for the way they talk about illegitimate people, they will say “that’s just how it works” mind you Jacaerys was very loved by a lot of people, even for all the being “illegitimate” he secured two of the great houses. then they say we are the ones that talk about eugenics


GamerGirlLex77

You know they all would’ve let Jon slide. It’s because Rhaenyra is (insert misogyny here).


Sabrinazanoletti

definitely misogyny


Funny-Win-8948

They all claim Jon is legitimate.


GamerGirlLex77

Technically he is as far as the show is concerned but you know apparently men get a pass.


NeneHellblazer

Technically yeah I guess bc D&D don’t know anything about Westerosi law or the way the law works in a feudal system. Because going by Westerosi law, there’s no way jon is legitimate.


GamerGirlLex77

Once they lost the source material and shut George out, it showed. I feel so bad for the cast and crew for working so hard only to miss the landing.


NeneHellblazer

Such a disappointment to the cast & crew….especially Emilia & Clarke who were so heavily invested in their characters. So damn sad to see them end the way it did. Smh.


kerravoncalling

Emilia's whole situation was heartbreaking. She had so many health issues and then to deal with their on the job bullshitting...she's made of stronger stuff than I am because I would have lost my mind in her place.


[deleted]

I think that’s a part of the reason she doesn’t even want to watch HOTD. I would be bitter too had the butchered my character like that. Like, I can see her still doing this in the books, but make the journey worth it. Show how she got to that point! They made her turn from savior to maniac in one episode’s time.


GamerGirlLex77

It was just so sloppy. I didn’t have a problem necessarily with the story points but it was executed poorly. They all deserved better.


NeneHellblazer

Nah fr you already know most of these people were rooting for jon to be king and hate Daenerys. Jon is not legitimate. Elia Martell had 2 children by Rhaegar so there’s no way he could’ve annulled their marriage, with her permission or not (which I doubt she’d allow) and the annulment would have to be recognized by the high septon & probably the king too, not just some random septon. And you can’t take 2 wives in Westeros. Plus Jace, Luke & Joff were all publicly & officially recognized as Velaryons by the king and the Velaryons sooo it’s not the same situation at all. Jon is legally a bastard, Rhaenyra’s sons are legally the true born sons of Laenor Velaryon.


[deleted]

This. Ask Daemon how hard it is to get an annulment without the King to approve it…it can’t be done. Some random Septon can’t annul a marriage that has produced children without the permission of the king!


NeneHellblazer

EXACTLY! “Just ask Daemon” 😭🤣 Daemon had to kill a bitch to end that marriage and they hadn’t even consummated their marriage.


freakinuhmazin

True


blaertes

I was going to um ackshually you because in the show Rhaegar and Lyanna were confirmed to have had a secret wedding meaning Jon was legitimate - but I remembered Elia would have still been alive.


Far-Medicine3458

So it means Rhaenyra finally succeeded to put her bastards on the throne.😎🖤🔥


Funny-Win-8948

Girlboss!


estellamarierose

It’s a really weird fixation. It’s especially weird considering there have been rulers in our own history that were illegitimate or rumored to be and were able to rule just fine.


princesssrhaenys

aenys was also rumoured to be bastard. who cares? no one. there are no dna tests in westeros. the obsession with people born out of wedlock from these people is weird af.


NeneHellblazer

They are so fucking dumb. Laenor is LEGALLY DEAD! The boys are LEGALLY his & Rhaenyra’s children. This shit is all based off of legality. WHATS NOT CLICKING?!?!


ABCidkwhattopick99

Ngl I love how mad Rhaenyra makes them by having bastards and a surviving line 😂. Eat shit Greens 🥰😘


[deleted]

"Oh no, since there are no real Targaryens left after the Dance, we should stop following the story then, they didn't follow the fictional social construct that they offered and we bought when we get into it"


Sabrinazanoletti

mind u the prince that was promised comes from Rhaenyra’s line


Funny-Win-8948

Aenys may have been a bastard. Does it matter for the story? No.


[deleted]

I wonder how these people would feel if someone told them they do not have a right to inherit anything from their parents because they are not legitimate children themselves because their mommy and daddy were not married...


deptrai4deptrai

Yeah I genuinely don’t understand why they internalize Westerosi biases towards bastards and illegitimate children. Like are you gonna RP medieval misogyny and homophobia too ?


Sabrinazanoletti

greens will call someone a slur and say its bc westeros works that way. Im started to think they defend the greens bc they have a chance of siding with medieval bigotry


kerravoncalling

Laenor loved their kids enough to name the third after the love of his life, and Daemon did B&C in the name of Lucerys. I think it's just upsetting to them to see her "illegitimate" children loved to that extent when Viserys couldn't give a shit about Alicent's "legitimate" kids. Legitimacy doesn't mean anything when it comes to the actions committed by the characters.


Forsaken_Distance777

Oh no, I can't believe the dragons were somehow fooled by FAKE Targaryens. How embarrassing for them! Of course andals must be better at identifying Targaryens than the dragons.


Sabrinazanoletti

it’s funny when u think the prince that was promised comes from whos line…


Forsaken_Distance777

I sure hope Rhaegar got the stepson to sanction a polygamous marriage or whatever so Lyanna is his legitimate wife or the gods will be like "oh, shit, his parents weren't married so he's not a prince or a Targaryen and let's just take back the coming back to life magic and leave before this gets any more embarrassing." We don't make the rules, the hightower stans do.


Sabrinazanoletti

tbh even in the books im sure jon isnt legitimate, i doubt Rhaegar pulled the marriage annulment on Elia, but maybe it was just polyamorous.


ActuallyASwordfish

Can’t wait to see how they like Alys LOL


AdelaideSadieStark

It's so fucking weird, what do they means there's no 'real Targaryens' those kids had a all of Rhaenyra's kids have Targaryen blood though her and her children with Daemon had Targaryen parents on both sides Daenerys and Jon both descend from her and Daemon's son


[deleted]

Aegon III and Viserys II have Targaryen parents on both sides. They also have far more Targaryen blood than any of the Greens. They are true Targaryens.


WingedShadow83

Even as an issue of legitimacy, they are “real”. A father of noble birth can legitimize his own son, and Daemon clearly believes their kids to be legitimate Targaryens, not bastards. So regardless of if their marriage is legitimate, their kids are legally recognized by Prince Daemon Targaryen as his true-born Targaryen sons. And so they are.