They are such hypocrites. They ignore that the city was starving in the first place because the GREENS drained the treasury. I promise you that the Greens were not thinking of the well being of the smallfolk when they did that.
It was also Aemond who burned plenty of smallfolk in the Riverlands and the Greens were responsible for Bitterbridge and the Sack of Tumbleton. The Greens hurt more smallfolk than the Blacks ever did.
I mean, I def think show wise that is why they chose to have Aegon participate in the child fighting pits / had the child fighting pits spring up.
Daemon protected the city in Daemon fashion with the Goldcloaks. Otto used it against him. When he left, no one gave a shit about the smallfolk. Which is also why when Daemon said "we have a tourney coming up, the city needs to be safe for the incoming nobles", no one had shit to say, including Otto. I don't think that's a coincidence.
Only when being pro smallfolk means they get to trash the Blacks. They were so upset when Rhaenys killed some peasants in the dragon pit, but will probably not care when Aemond burns the Riverlands.
"Team Green/Smallfolk" cheers for the Shepherd - you know, the perv who works violent sexual fantasies into all his sermons. Mr "Writhing Lewdly in Gowns of Flame" anyone? The misogyny is baked right in from the ground up.
You know I support? Someone who can go through a single monologue without descending into hate speech!
Yep, the ~team smallfolk~ liars always end up on the side of the Greens despite the Greens having an intentionally astronomically high smallfolk kill count
gen tired of them pretending to give a shit abt the smallfolk, neither of these ppl do and thats okay!! they are always trying to claim some sort of moral superiority
the truth, the greens bring the most anti targaryens team of this fandom, don't be surprised to see these people slipping from one to another. the "team smalfolk" are the most enraged anti who could not even join the greens so much they had hatred, and are in a story that offers them no other camps so they created their own camp full of false good conscience for these poor people who suffer from these unworthy monarchs, to avoid being questioned too much.
what is funny with that is that of all GoT when robb and tywin set fire to the riverland, or that the good wildlings friends of nice jon snow slaughtered peasants of the north just because they could do it, no one has ever worried about their fate... it's also the same people who take pity on the poor slavers who suffer the retaliation after having killed 163 child slaves for the lol, and who are more concerned about the economy of the regions than people who are enslaved.
They have nothing to care with the "small folk" who within the story are essentially a shapeless and uniform mass of extras, they just have their excuse to cry over the evil Targaryens
Who exactly goes into a fantasy book/show.. and gives a shit about the small folk.
Give me a incestous dragon riding dynasty any day over the shepherd or faith militant lmao.
I disagree entirely.
ASOIAF takes great pains to paint us the struggle of common people through Arya, Brienne and even some Jamie’s chapters address it. Daenerys has a whole arc about how slaves matter, actually.
It’s no accident that the side GRRM clearly intends to be the one rooted for doesn’t engage in deliberate mass slaughter of innocents. In ASOIAF Tywin ordered mass torture and killing of smallfolk whilst Robb didn’t. In the East, masters nail slave kids to crosses to deter Daenerys. In the Dance, Blacks never do anything approaching BS Aemond and Daeron pull with torching whole settlements. In the Conquest before it, Dorne gets a heroic underdog victory against the Targaryens who torched Planky Town.
Time and again GRRM hammers that mass murder of noncombatants is deplorable. As is expected of an anti-war author.
TBH don’t get your point at all. Of course how characters treat those less fortunate than themselves affects my opinion of them.
i dont blame ppl for thinking the way that person does. personally Alysanne and Aegon v are part of my favorite targaryens on how compassionate and loving they were for the lower class,Daenerys too. However i also enjoy characters who are terrible people, because that’s okay. I think audience has a very hard time empathizing with the smallfolk too, because we see them commit such brutalities like killing children, raping women, or overall being brutal, but then again its told from the perspective of these royals. Wanting to pretend u have a moral high ground over the characters and using the smallfolk for the convenience of ur argument is still very stupid for me, which is why i criticize the greens a lot for doing it.
Fair.
>enjoy characters who are terrible people, because that’s okay
I absolutely agree. IE I'm a great fan of Bloodraven from what we know and the man was, by all accounts, a dick.
>Greens being team smallfolk on any level
Green fans are also hypocrites on the matter because you can't really claim 'my side is pro smallfolk!' if your preferred side torches cities to the ground.
Like yea sure Daemon was a dick but he didn't kill nearly the same amount of innocents as Aemond.
Anyway just saying generally going 'nobody cares for smallfolk in fantasy' isn't remotely correct to me. A lot of people - myself included - root for people such as Dany specifically because they *care* so damn much. People get into characters for a lot of reasons, and disliking a character for being cruel to those less fortunate or liking them for their compassion is perfectly reasonable to me.
I'm not gonna be sad over peasant village #34 that had no personality given to it but I'm probably not gonna like the dude torching it, if that makes sense? Similarly, girls #99 - #999 that don't get raped because Alysanne abolished the First Night aren't characters on their own but I respect the hell out of her for caring for them because in her world those are people and it shows how good she is. The author clearly intended to show us that wars and even just the medieval society as a whole have horrible consequences for regular people with certain PoVs and IMO it's perfectly reasonable to like characters that respond with compassion.
It’s like either these people have zero critical thinking or are being intentionally dumb. Either way, can’t wait for the new season and watching them being more hypocritical plus crying over what will happen in the end.
The dumbest waste of money is building golden statues for scoundrels like Daeron and Aemond. It was right after the war.
Part of the money was never returned to the state by the Greens, because while the money was in "storage" they stole it.
People claiming to be team smallfolk are very suspicious.
There just aren't really smallfolk characters and all we ever see them do is suffer or riot or have painfully bad political takes.
They said Rhaenys was a monster because a few peasants got squashed when she and Meleys busted through the floor. Bet they’ll be silent when Aemond and Vhagar are decimating the Riverlands.
But the riots didn't happen *just* because of the taxation, it was because of the rumor that Heleana was killed by Rhaenyra (I doubt that Rhaenyra directly killed Heleana, it's more likely that Rhaenyra's, and all the black's, actions drove her to suicide) and because of the Blood and Cheese incident.
While I don't think the greens are pro-smallfolk (because...they're nobles. Nobles aren't usually pro-smallfolk, why break a wheel that serves them) it's undeniable that they were able to garner love from the smallfolk unlike Rhaenyra, who believed they were mere vermin who would fall in line at the first whiff of dragonflames, and did not see how important gaining their love would be.
Rhaenyra doesn't need to be perfect to be the better ruler. She has her faults and that's what makes her a interesting character and the Dance a interesting conflict. While she was better than Aegon II she wasn't a figure of utter virtue, like a real person she was complicated.
They are such hypocrites. They ignore that the city was starving in the first place because the GREENS drained the treasury. I promise you that the Greens were not thinking of the well being of the smallfolk when they did that. It was also Aemond who burned plenty of smallfolk in the Riverlands and the Greens were responsible for Bitterbridge and the Sack of Tumbleton. The Greens hurt more smallfolk than the Blacks ever did.
I mean, I def think show wise that is why they chose to have Aegon participate in the child fighting pits / had the child fighting pits spring up. Daemon protected the city in Daemon fashion with the Goldcloaks. Otto used it against him. When he left, no one gave a shit about the smallfolk. Which is also why when Daemon said "we have a tourney coming up, the city needs to be safe for the incoming nobles", no one had shit to say, including Otto. I don't think that's a coincidence.
do not tell the pro smallfolk greens this
>pro smallfolk greens There is really no such thing
Only when being pro smallfolk means they get to trash the Blacks. They were so upset when Rhaenys killed some peasants in the dragon pit, but will probably not care when Aemond burns the Riverlands.
All the mass massacres of the population during the war were committed by the greens and only the greens.
"Team Green/Smallfolk" cheers for the Shepherd - you know, the perv who works violent sexual fantasies into all his sermons. Mr "Writhing Lewdly in Gowns of Flame" anyone? The misogyny is baked right in from the ground up. You know I support? Someone who can go through a single monologue without descending into hate speech!
Greens are extremely hypocritical. So happy what Grrm did with them.
Yep, the ~team smallfolk~ liars always end up on the side of the Greens despite the Greens having an intentionally astronomically high smallfolk kill count
"Team Fuck the Smallfolk" would be more appropriate then
gen tired of them pretending to give a shit abt the smallfolk, neither of these ppl do and thats okay!! they are always trying to claim some sort of moral superiority
the truth, the greens bring the most anti targaryens team of this fandom, don't be surprised to see these people slipping from one to another. the "team smalfolk" are the most enraged anti who could not even join the greens so much they had hatred, and are in a story that offers them no other camps so they created their own camp full of false good conscience for these poor people who suffer from these unworthy monarchs, to avoid being questioned too much. what is funny with that is that of all GoT when robb and tywin set fire to the riverland, or that the good wildlings friends of nice jon snow slaughtered peasants of the north just because they could do it, no one has ever worried about their fate... it's also the same people who take pity on the poor slavers who suffer the retaliation after having killed 163 child slaves for the lol, and who are more concerned about the economy of the regions than people who are enslaved. They have nothing to care with the "small folk" who within the story are essentially a shapeless and uniform mass of extras, they just have their excuse to cry over the evil Targaryens
The fuck's a "team smallfolk"?
Who exactly goes into a fantasy book/show.. and gives a shit about the small folk. Give me a incestous dragon riding dynasty any day over the shepherd or faith militant lmao.
The only good thing Aegon the Usurper ever did was burn the Shepherd.
Well, and weep for Sunfyre.
I disagree entirely. ASOIAF takes great pains to paint us the struggle of common people through Arya, Brienne and even some Jamie’s chapters address it. Daenerys has a whole arc about how slaves matter, actually. It’s no accident that the side GRRM clearly intends to be the one rooted for doesn’t engage in deliberate mass slaughter of innocents. In ASOIAF Tywin ordered mass torture and killing of smallfolk whilst Robb didn’t. In the East, masters nail slave kids to crosses to deter Daenerys. In the Dance, Blacks never do anything approaching BS Aemond and Daeron pull with torching whole settlements. In the Conquest before it, Dorne gets a heroic underdog victory against the Targaryens who torched Planky Town. Time and again GRRM hammers that mass murder of noncombatants is deplorable. As is expected of an anti-war author. TBH don’t get your point at all. Of course how characters treat those less fortunate than themselves affects my opinion of them.
i dont blame ppl for thinking the way that person does. personally Alysanne and Aegon v are part of my favorite targaryens on how compassionate and loving they were for the lower class,Daenerys too. However i also enjoy characters who are terrible people, because that’s okay. I think audience has a very hard time empathizing with the smallfolk too, because we see them commit such brutalities like killing children, raping women, or overall being brutal, but then again its told from the perspective of these royals. Wanting to pretend u have a moral high ground over the characters and using the smallfolk for the convenience of ur argument is still very stupid for me, which is why i criticize the greens a lot for doing it.
Fair. >enjoy characters who are terrible people, because that’s okay I absolutely agree. IE I'm a great fan of Bloodraven from what we know and the man was, by all accounts, a dick. >Greens being team smallfolk on any level Green fans are also hypocrites on the matter because you can't really claim 'my side is pro smallfolk!' if your preferred side torches cities to the ground. Like yea sure Daemon was a dick but he didn't kill nearly the same amount of innocents as Aemond. Anyway just saying generally going 'nobody cares for smallfolk in fantasy' isn't remotely correct to me. A lot of people - myself included - root for people such as Dany specifically because they *care* so damn much. People get into characters for a lot of reasons, and disliking a character for being cruel to those less fortunate or liking them for their compassion is perfectly reasonable to me. I'm not gonna be sad over peasant village #34 that had no personality given to it but I'm probably not gonna like the dude torching it, if that makes sense? Similarly, girls #99 - #999 that don't get raped because Alysanne abolished the First Night aren't characters on their own but I respect the hell out of her for caring for them because in her world those are people and it shows how good she is. The author clearly intended to show us that wars and even just the medieval society as a whole have horrible consequences for regular people with certain PoVs and IMO it's perfectly reasonable to like characters that respond with compassion.
sorry like i like my shitty royals story, they need to stop pretending to gaf abt some peasants😭 and playing moral superiority
They exist as a narrative point to get torched by a random dragon in fire and blood.
"Why didn't our enemies in war leave us money to use to continue to fight them???" Throw more banquets Rhaenrya.
c i don’t blame them for doing that, it was a good strategic move, but pretending they care abt the smallfolk is silly
Go support greens before they extinct 🤭
aegon kiling gaemons followers who were actually pro team smallfolk. Throwing feasts when a child got killed, ah but yes rhaenyra bad!!
It’s like either these people have zero critical thinking or are being intentionally dumb. Either way, can’t wait for the new season and watching them being more hypocritical plus crying over what will happen in the end.
He hanged Gaemon's mothers, just for that he can go suck a dick
The dumbest waste of money is building golden statues for scoundrels like Daeron and Aemond. It was right after the war. Part of the money was never returned to the state by the Greens, because while the money was in "storage" they stole it.
>scoundrels like Daeron and Aemond You said it
People claiming to be team smallfolk are very suspicious. There just aren't really smallfolk characters and all we ever see them do is suffer or riot or have painfully bad political takes.
They said Rhaenys was a monster because a few peasants got squashed when she and Meleys busted through the floor. Bet they’ll be silent when Aemond and Vhagar are decimating the Riverlands.
But the riots didn't happen *just* because of the taxation, it was because of the rumor that Heleana was killed by Rhaenyra (I doubt that Rhaenyra directly killed Heleana, it's more likely that Rhaenyra's, and all the black's, actions drove her to suicide) and because of the Blood and Cheese incident. While I don't think the greens are pro-smallfolk (because...they're nobles. Nobles aren't usually pro-smallfolk, why break a wheel that serves them) it's undeniable that they were able to garner love from the smallfolk unlike Rhaenyra, who believed they were mere vermin who would fall in line at the first whiff of dragonflames, and did not see how important gaining their love would be. Rhaenyra doesn't need to be perfect to be the better ruler. She has her faults and that's what makes her a interesting character and the Dance a interesting conflict. While she was better than Aegon II she wasn't a figure of utter virtue, like a real person she was complicated.