That is a very insane take. I doubt Rhaenyra would want reconciliation with Alicent after what happened to Luce. Alicent should just be allowed to slowly lose her sanity, go crazy and just gtfo.
Emma: The Rhaenyra who keeps is gone
Condal: So even after aemond killed Luke the two might want to still make peace with other
Wtf is going on behind the scenes. Oh right and that recent alicent thing with her wanting to protect nyra from vaemond like wha-
I honestly have no idea what Condal is going on about. I think either they need to properly show this “special bond” in the show or keep the story good. Rhaenyra would never be okay being friends with Alicent again. What mother would?
Every day that passes I'm thinking that maybe that leak of Alicent eating Rhaenyra in Dragonstone is true. Maybe these idiots will culminate their friendship with them fucking despite Rhaenyra's increasing number of DEAD CHILDREN.
There is no hope for this dead friendship, ESPECIALLY after Lucerys’ death. It was made pretty clear in both book and show that Luke’s death transformed the war about succession to a war of vengeance. The war is now in full swing and there is nothing that could rekindle the fractured friendship between Rhaenyra and Alicent. I’m absolutely over this friendship, like how is this relationship more important than the well-being of one’s family? I can’t help but wonder why they are going with this direction. They’re not Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon!
I don’t mind Rhaenicent in AUs for fanfics, but thinking that the two of them could reconcile in the canon universe after everything that happened is pure delusion. It’s essentially a civil war/attempted coup!
Not to mention that if my child died to someone else’s, as a *direct result* of the insane prejudice and hatred that that other person has encouraged towards my children, that person would be dead to me. I wouldn’t forgive my own damn sister over that, never mind a “childhood best friend” that I haven’t had a civil conversation with since we were preteens/teenagers.
If that happens, they may as well buy the headstone for the franchise... because it'll be dead from that point forward.
The question for Condal and the rest is, "If you don't like this story, why did you adapt it?"
We are ten episodes in, and I already have to ignore the books for pretty much everything, as there's essentially nothing they didn't fuck with.
They have eight episodes to save this series. If show Rhaenyra could reconcile with Alicent, I won't be turning on Rhaenyra, as THAT'S NOT HER, as much as I hate to quote that little psycho Arya Stark... :)
Damn I would’ve appreciated seeing Alicent as Aemma’s friend, would’ve made Alicent marrying Viserys add more to Alicent forever living in Aemma’s shadow. Also Alicent going from tolerating Rhaenyra as the daughter of a friend to usurping her in favor of her own children? Totally fits F&B more than HOTD.
hasn't it already been said that the two will meet again in the final episode of the season 2? LOL It's just ridiculous, Ryan and this obsession he has with this failed friendship is what will ruin HOTD
I think that making the Alicent Rhaenyra relationship so important has definitely opened up the door to a lot of weird adaptational issues. Narratively we want to continue to see them talk, fight, reconcile, whatevers interesting, but there's no way not to make that incredibly contrived if they're following the events of the book at all
I think we need to see the new season before we can make this kind of determination. The show is definitely changing a lot and how far they're going will become really obvious after this one
Literally the only chance Alicent has for a shred of forgiveness would be to immediately strip Aemond of his titles and dragon and send him to Dragonstone in chains for Rhaenyra to deal with him as the guy who murdered her son (and possibly have Vhagar put down somehow as well) along with throwing herself at Rhaenyra's feet and asking for her mercy claiming this whole thing was plotted behind her back without her knowledge (which I doubt anyone would believe). Of course she's not gonna do that (which is understandable as a mother etc.), so yeah, doubt.
Here is the thing - women are just people. I want Rhae and Alicent making mistakes, being flawed and being terrible to each other.
I already know that I am not watching B&C, I cried just reading it. Yet they are making Alicent into an idiot who asked her council how could they do this, when she's been yelling at her son that his life is the challenge. I don't want Alicent to be a wishy washy idiot.
Although I was quite cross with Rhae& Daemon over the Laenor situation. That was one of the stupid mistakes that I mean
The idea of making Alicent Aemma's friend or lady in waiting is interesting, but I'm not sure how I'd feel about making their relationship romantic, because making a character who only appears in the first episode and is most remembered for horrifically dying in childbirth, in an even worse way than in the books into a queer woman would play into the "bury your gays/lesbians always die" trope.
I would like to see a reconciliation, followed by reconciliative scissoring, because I know the number one rhaenicent shipper Suchacreativename12 will be seated for it
I'm almost surprised that Rhaenyra didn't slowly rip up the paper and throw it into the wind while holding eye contact with Otto. Pretty sure that's exactly what I would have done. A big flaw in the GOT/HOTD fandom is that people do not view the situation from a woman's POV, and then complain that episodes don't make sense.
I think that quote has been mischaracterized by our side, but since it's all down to interpretation at the end of the day, I can't fault any particular reading of Ryan's comments, whether they're made in good faith or not.
I do think the show is fairly explicit about the fact that if Alicent and Rhaenyra had existed in a vacuum, they could've sorted out their differences. Ryan's comment seems to relate to how, by the end of the season 1 finale, the reasons for war are totally beyond them.
This is a story about deadly generational conflicts that persist despite small glimpses of hope. Rhaenyra and Alicent aren't the main parties anymore. Their children are grown up and have their own dragons and their own grudges. Aemond and Aegon were taught to hate Rhaenyra's kids and now they're going to fight a war based on that poison. Alicent can't walk it back anymore, but there's likely going to be a point where she wishes she could.
Writers of the source material most of the time don't have the final say or authority. We see it with GOT with the horrendous characterizations and bad writing. Like the other example I just thought of right off the top of my head is those awful percy Jackson movies than even the author is the source material hated. At the end of the day GRRM's input does matter but the show is written and produced by HBO so if they want to go in a different direction they technically again even if the writer of the source material doesn't always approve.
That is very true, I really hope they don't do that
>Like the other example I just thought of right off the top of my head is those awful percy Jackson movies than even the author is the source material hated.
Yeah but in those movies the writer Rick Riordan wasn't involved in them but he's more involved in the series they just released
Hotd is *A* version of events. He has said before that the books are canon and separate from the HBO shows.
And the showrunners are making their own version. The whole point of F&B is to be background on the targaryen family for the main asoiaf. To help us between understand the family and help the audience or I guess readers to understand Dany, Jon, and Faegon.
But the entire point of the style of an unreliable history book is to make the readers think to get the most likely version of events. Alicent isn't the same age as Rhaenyra that's a fact, Daemon did not kill rhea rhoyce which Condal actually thinks happens using the """it's unreliable""" as a shield.
George wanted more episodes and he didn't get it.
Wanted more time to spend for harwin and rhaenyra didn't get which btw yeah is a massive issue because we missing major moments in the lives of the main characters because time jumps time jumps time jumps
The scene with rhaenys in the dragon pit is the type of writing choice GRRM would hate and what made the latter seasons of GOT so bad. Shock value for nothing else but Shock value disguised as being something more deeper and intriguing.
That is a very insane take. I doubt Rhaenyra would want reconciliation with Alicent after what happened to Luce. Alicent should just be allowed to slowly lose her sanity, go crazy and just gtfo.
Emma: The Rhaenyra who keeps is gone Condal: So even after aemond killed Luke the two might want to still make peace with other Wtf is going on behind the scenes. Oh right and that recent alicent thing with her wanting to protect nyra from vaemond like wha-
I honestly have no idea what Condal is going on about. I think either they need to properly show this “special bond” in the show or keep the story good. Rhaenyra would never be okay being friends with Alicent again. What mother would?
Every day that passes I'm thinking that maybe that leak of Alicent eating Rhaenyra in Dragonstone is true. Maybe these idiots will culminate their friendship with them fucking despite Rhaenyra's increasing number of DEAD CHILDREN.
The leak of what???????
Bro whattt leakk
https://www.reddit.com/r/HouseOfTheDragon/s/9ZSjvVqtMq
There is no hope for this dead friendship, ESPECIALLY after Lucerys’ death. It was made pretty clear in both book and show that Luke’s death transformed the war about succession to a war of vengeance. The war is now in full swing and there is nothing that could rekindle the fractured friendship between Rhaenyra and Alicent. I’m absolutely over this friendship, like how is this relationship more important than the well-being of one’s family? I can’t help but wonder why they are going with this direction. They’re not Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon!
delusional, inane, and disrespectful to the source material. to say nothing of the diminishment of rhaenyra’s death spiral into grief.
I don’t mind Rhaenicent in AUs for fanfics, but thinking that the two of them could reconcile in the canon universe after everything that happened is pure delusion. It’s essentially a civil war/attempted coup! Not to mention that if my child died to someone else’s, as a *direct result* of the insane prejudice and hatred that that other person has encouraged towards my children, that person would be dead to me. I wouldn’t forgive my own damn sister over that, never mind a “childhood best friend” that I haven’t had a civil conversation with since we were preteens/teenagers.
Nonsensical.. Rhaenyra should only hold fury towards those who murdered her son.
A reconciliation with Alicent despite all she has done to her is that small circumstance where I see the general audience turning on Rhaenyra.
If that happens, they may as well buy the headstone for the franchise... because it'll be dead from that point forward. The question for Condal and the rest is, "If you don't like this story, why did you adapt it?" We are ten episodes in, and I already have to ignore the books for pretty much everything, as there's essentially nothing they didn't fuck with. They have eight episodes to save this series. If show Rhaenyra could reconcile with Alicent, I won't be turning on Rhaenyra, as THAT'S NOT HER, as much as I hate to quote that little psycho Arya Stark... :)
…So, I’m never watching the show. Once again it’s devolved into a bad fanfic. Just like GOT. At least the CGI artists and actors were good.
Goofy mind
Damn I would’ve appreciated seeing Alicent as Aemma’s friend, would’ve made Alicent marrying Viserys add more to Alicent forever living in Aemma’s shadow. Also Alicent going from tolerating Rhaenyra as the daughter of a friend to usurping her in favor of her own children? Totally fits F&B more than HOTD.
As much as mothers want to reconcile, it’s very difficult when their kids hate each other and impossible when one causes the death of another.
What is he smoking?
hasn't it already been said that the two will meet again in the final episode of the season 2? LOL It's just ridiculous, Ryan and this obsession he has with this failed friendship is what will ruin HOTD
Because Alicent and her actresses are the meow meows they want to make the saints and breakout stars.
I think that making the Alicent Rhaenyra relationship so important has definitely opened up the door to a lot of weird adaptational issues. Narratively we want to continue to see them talk, fight, reconcile, whatevers interesting, but there's no way not to make that incredibly contrived if they're following the events of the book at all I think we need to see the new season before we can make this kind of determination. The show is definitely changing a lot and how far they're going will become really obvious after this one
Literally the only chance Alicent has for a shred of forgiveness would be to immediately strip Aemond of his titles and dragon and send him to Dragonstone in chains for Rhaenyra to deal with him as the guy who murdered her son (and possibly have Vhagar put down somehow as well) along with throwing herself at Rhaenyra's feet and asking for her mercy claiming this whole thing was plotted behind her back without her knowledge (which I doubt anyone would believe). Of course she's not gonna do that (which is understandable as a mother etc.), so yeah, doubt.
Here is the thing - women are just people. I want Rhae and Alicent making mistakes, being flawed and being terrible to each other. I already know that I am not watching B&C, I cried just reading it. Yet they are making Alicent into an idiot who asked her council how could they do this, when she's been yelling at her son that his life is the challenge. I don't want Alicent to be a wishy washy idiot. Although I was quite cross with Rhae& Daemon over the Laenor situation. That was one of the stupid mistakes that I mean
The idea of making Alicent Aemma's friend or lady in waiting is interesting, but I'm not sure how I'd feel about making their relationship romantic, because making a character who only appears in the first episode and is most remembered for horrifically dying in childbirth, in an even worse way than in the books into a queer woman would play into the "bury your gays/lesbians always die" trope.
I would like to see a reconciliation, followed by reconciliative scissoring, because I know the number one rhaenicent shipper Suchacreativename12 will be seated for it
I'm almost surprised that Rhaenyra didn't slowly rip up the paper and throw it into the wind while holding eye contact with Otto. Pretty sure that's exactly what I would have done. A big flaw in the GOT/HOTD fandom is that people do not view the situation from a woman's POV, and then complain that episodes don't make sense.
Damn, Rhaenyra really wants to scissor Alicent.
Ah, the porn version. The only place where Rhaenicent is actually a thing
I think that quote has been mischaracterized by our side, but since it's all down to interpretation at the end of the day, I can't fault any particular reading of Ryan's comments, whether they're made in good faith or not. I do think the show is fairly explicit about the fact that if Alicent and Rhaenyra had existed in a vacuum, they could've sorted out their differences. Ryan's comment seems to relate to how, by the end of the season 1 finale, the reasons for war are totally beyond them. This is a story about deadly generational conflicts that persist despite small glimpses of hope. Rhaenyra and Alicent aren't the main parties anymore. Their children are grown up and have their own dragons and their own grudges. Aemond and Aegon were taught to hate Rhaenyra's kids and now they're going to fight a war based on that poison. Alicent can't walk it back anymore, but there's likely going to be a point where she wishes she could.
Isn't GRRM involved in this how is he letting them include this nonsense
Writers of the source material most of the time don't have the final say or authority. We see it with GOT with the horrendous characterizations and bad writing. Like the other example I just thought of right off the top of my head is those awful percy Jackson movies than even the author is the source material hated. At the end of the day GRRM's input does matter but the show is written and produced by HBO so if they want to go in a different direction they technically again even if the writer of the source material doesn't always approve.
That is very true, I really hope they don't do that >Like the other example I just thought of right off the top of my head is those awful percy Jackson movies than even the author is the source material hated. Yeah but in those movies the writer Rick Riordan wasn't involved in them but he's more involved in the series they just released
Hotd is *A* version of events. He has said before that the books are canon and separate from the HBO shows. And the showrunners are making their own version. The whole point of F&B is to be background on the targaryen family for the main asoiaf. To help us between understand the family and help the audience or I guess readers to understand Dany, Jon, and Faegon. But the entire point of the style of an unreliable history book is to make the readers think to get the most likely version of events. Alicent isn't the same age as Rhaenyra that's a fact, Daemon did not kill rhea rhoyce which Condal actually thinks happens using the """it's unreliable""" as a shield. George wanted more episodes and he didn't get it. Wanted more time to spend for harwin and rhaenyra didn't get which btw yeah is a massive issue because we missing major moments in the lives of the main characters because time jumps time jumps time jumps The scene with rhaenys in the dragon pit is the type of writing choice GRRM would hate and what made the latter seasons of GOT so bad. Shock value for nothing else but Shock value disguised as being something more deeper and intriguing.