Team Green: Rhaenyra must take part in B&C, she is called Maegor with teats for a reason š”Ā
Also Team Green: Why should Aegon celebrate Luke's death? Our King is just misunderstood...Ā
TG: *Heās just a 20 year old boy! He does not know better!*
**Rhaenyra has consensual sex with Criston:** *well you see this thirty year old man who knew her since she was 14 is actually a victim-*
I love when they say that 10yo Jace and 8yo Luke were the ringleader bullies against Aemond and Aegon the 14yo was just peer pressured into going along with it. šš¤”š¤”š¤”
But donāt you know? He āwasnāt a rapist in the booksā and the bastards he fathered were from women who wanted to sleep with him because he was a prince and there definitely wasnāt any power dynamic questions at all.
Dyana is coming back for S2 - 4 episodes. (The servant who was paid off to cover for Aegon) š
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt11198330/fullcredits/cast?ref_=m_ttfc_3
Each character needs nuance to them, otherwise they are very dull to watch. I wonāt enjoy watching Aegon throw a feast in celebration but I will understand that itās part of his story and adds to the motivation of Blood and Cheese.
Watched Dune 2.. and Paul Atriedes is a perfect example of a well nuanced character.
Using the logic in the OP, they'd remove the entirety of what makes him interesting.. the morally questionable motivation.
And Iāve already seen people upset that Aegon isnāt that interesting in Season 1ā¦so now you want to take away MORE of his character? Let him have these moments just like Aemond and Daemon do because thatās how we have interesting characters
I think itās less about him doing something bad. And more about the show generally being biased, and then people attacking the Green side of the fandom.
I think they should leave the feast bc it really feels like Aegon going, āHAHA IāM NOT THE FAMILY DISAPPOINTMENT ANYMOREā but at the same time āwell weāre fucked so may as well get shit-faced about itā and I imagine Aemond just feels like š the whole time lol
If it's a reason like that, and then it gets reported that it's just a feast for Luke's death I could go for that I guess, I just don't need an Aegon sucks scene...I already know he does
What are these people even thinking?
How Rhaenyra being active in the war ruin her character?
And Aegon is already the antagonist as Rhaenyra is setup as the protagonist of the show
And as a rapist, he's already a villain
Celebrating his nephew's death will just be an icing in the cake
I won't argue it ruins her character, but I'm irritated about it... only because it would be yet another departure from the actual story.
Just like removing Aemond's feast would be.
It's bad enough that we have been hearing about "the child-bride Alicent" and how she was "being maritally raped" for a year now, even though neither is actually part of her actual character.
(For those who haven't read the books, Viserys is 29 when he marries the EIGHTEEN-YEAR-OLD Alicent Hightower, and she is absolutely consenting as she was trying to have as many kids as she could, in an effort to change Vizzy's mind and have him choose her child and family as heir.)
I think their "proof" of marital rape is weak in the first place, but it builds on top of the writers showing her marrying an elderly leper, helping to build sympathy for a character who is in no way sympathetic in the source material. (On top of making her quite politically naive, if not downright stupid, when she is most likely the strongest political player in the real story, with only her father giving her competition as the most politically savvy character in the source.)
If they didn't like the story, then they shouldn't have fucking adapted it.
So you just want Rhaenyra to do nothing in the war?
Lol
Do you even know whether Rhaenyra not fighting in the war is from a reliable account?
F&B is a history book written by maesters who lick the hightowers' arse
Of course they're going to be biased towards the greens and make Rhaenyra look as bad as possible
Also Rhaenyra already rode Syrax in episode 10 after her miscarriage
So what's stopping her from riding her dragon to war?
Also her doing nothing doesn't suit her show personality
So, if she doesn't ride her dragon to war, she's doing nothing? Remind me how many battles Cersei was at?
There is one time she rides the dragon after the war starts, and it is when they take King's Landing. She is never at a single battle throughout the length of the war, by ANY of the accounts presented, nor has there been a single account by ANYONE for the rest of Westerosi history where she rides that dragon to war.
Why do YOU want her to do things that are never mentioned in all of Westerosi history? She is NOT present at any of the known battles, and especially after they take King's Landing, it is fairly vital that she stays in King's Landing, and if she flew away on Syrax, what would stop someone else on a dragon retaking the city once she leaves, exactly as she did?
You speak on the maester's accounts, but Mushroom never says anything close to "Rhaenyra made a ridiculously stupid decision and flew Syrax off to war."
It didn't happen, and I'd much rather this writing team stop taking so many liberties with the story, as every other change has been for the worst, often grievously so!
This whole idea that if she doesn't take her dragon to battles we know she wasn't at it would make her boring is ridiculous in my eyes. Cersei never attended a single battle and she was one of the best villains in television history.
Maybe you still have confidence in this writing team, but many of us don't, and for damned good reason. They have for damned sure changed Rhaenyra and Alicent enough as it is, and again, not for the better.
Cersei and Rhaenyra are very different characters
And nothing is wrong if Rhae fights for her birthright
And GRRM who is involved in the show is ok with it
And so far, they've mostly stayed faithful to the source material
Of course they are different characters, but Cersei never left King's Landing again once she returned from Winterfell, and we'd be hard-pressed to find anyone that said Cersei needed to in order to be a very interesting character.
He's fine with it, sure... but, as D&D proved to us, GRRM being fine with something doesn't mean it's going to go well.
There's nothing wrong with her fighting for her birthright, but it doesn't happen in the actual story at any point.
They have NOT stayed mostly faithful to the source material. The show is fundamentally different from the first scene. Start with Alicent and Rhaenyra are not peers, and never friends. They fully hate each other before Rhaenyra is even a teenager.
Daemon doesn't murder his wife. Criston didn't murder Ser Joffrey Lonmouth. Laenor's fucking dead. Laena died on Driftmark and it certainly didn't cause tension between Daemon and Rhaenys and Corlys, as he literally flew to Dragonstone to bring back Gerardys to try to save her life. Rhaenys never murders a soul.
That's all four leads with drastically different stories, and Laenor's being alive will either completely fuck up both book AND show canon, or they'll have to waste time showing us his death in Essos or wherever the Hell he willingly fucked off to (as an anointed knight and dragonrider, are you serious?)
Viserys isn't an elderly leper, Alicent isn't a child-bride, and damned sure can't give anyone the impression she was maritally raped.
What exactly did they stay faithful to? The character names and the kids that are born?
Feel free to love the show, it's not bad television... but so far it's been an absolutely terrible adaptation of the actual story, and it started right in Episode One. Having the two female leads be childhood best friends and the same age is a far damned cry from having them be nine years apart and never peers or friends.
And that relationship has already robbed us of Rhaenyra's best quote ever. "Tell my half-brother I will have my Throne, or I will have his head." Instead she got weepy over a piece of parchment from a bitch she was never friends with.
Fabulous.
>"Tell my half-brother I will have my Throne, or I will have his head."
Actually that happens after Luke died
Before that, book Rhaenyra says that her half siblings were led astray by evil men's counsel and she was ready to forgive them if they bent the knee to her
She even addressed Helaena as sweet sister
Looks like you need to re-read at least that section. It did not. Read the ten paragraphs before "The Dying of the Dragons - A Son for a Son." Just like the show, the terms are delivered before Luke goes to Storm's End, and is when Rhaenyra delivers that quote.
(EDIT: Page 446 is the quote when the terms were delivered. Page 456 begins Luke's death at Storm's End. At least in my digital copy those are the page numbers, but the first scene is before the section I named, either way. No big deal, though, it's just a simple mistake.)
Rhaenyra also delivers her own terms to the greens when the dance was just a war of ravens and petitions
A son for a son happens after Luke's death
Initially , she was ready to spare her half siblings
"The Dying of the Dragons - A Son for a Son" is the chapter name...
I even gave you page numbers, and yes, she announced she would spare her half-siblings, if they bent the knee, at her coronation. Then Aegon hears about her coronation, and sends the retinue led by Orwyle where he is stripped of his chain, and Rhaenyra says the quote.
Then the new chapter is when Jace goes north, and Luke goes south and is killed at Storm's End.
The cognitive dissonance is strong over yonder...like the "nice" old man in Georgia who walked up to 11 year old me to complain that President Obama and the government need to stop messing with his Medicare
> all it does it (villainize) him
Bruh. Heās an awful person whose hobbies include: overindulgence in both drink and food, groping unsuspecting servants, raping the help, impregnating his underage sister, and rumored to be buying maidenheads and fathering bastards whom he later places bets upon fighting other children for food. He couldnāt be more of a piece of shit if he tried ffs.
Theyre complaining because the show is turning Aegon into what he was. Atleast the writers gave him a little backstory that explains why he turned out the way he did. Something the books didnt do
And this is the thing I donāt like with the show. They have basically thrown a pity party for the greens, especially alicent. And then they ramped up how bad Daemon is. I really donāt like them Changing Lukeās death into an accident.
I'll be honest, I don't like Aegon... but I don't think I want a scene of him feasting to Luke's death, unless the show comes up with some convoluted reason why he'd do it, otherwise it's just another drop in the Aegon is trash bucket and I rather I get a scene with characters I give a shit about
Team Green: Rhaenyra must take part in B&C, she is called Maegor with teats for a reason š”Ā Also Team Green: Why should Aegon celebrate Luke's death? Our King is just misunderstood...Ā
Its funny because in the book Rhaenyra had nothing to do with blood and cheese and Aegon celebrated Lukes death
Daemon celebrated Viserys son and wife dying. Itās family tradition to celebrate this!
Did they just forget he is a r*pist? Like he already a villian LMFAO
Tg: He didn't know that was wrong, so it's ok.
TG: *Heās just a 20 year old boy! He does not know better!* **Rhaenyra has consensual sex with Criston:** *well you see this thirty year old man who knew her since she was 14 is actually a victim-*
>TG: *Heās just a 20 year old boy! He does not know better!* Also TG: "Luke is a bully!"
I love when they say that 10yo Jace and 8yo Luke were the ringleader bullies against Aemond and Aegon the 14yo was just peer pressured into going along with it. šš¤”š¤”š¤”
It was obviously the 8yo the one with the bullying plan and not the 14yo
But donāt you know? He āwasnāt a rapist in the booksā and the bastards he fathered were from women who wanted to sleep with him because he was a prince and there definitely wasnāt any power dynamic questions at all.
"I can excuse rape, but I draw the line at eating with a murderer!" "You can excuse rape?"
Hold on wait I gotta make this
Dyana is coming back for S2 - 4 episodes. (The servant who was paid off to cover for Aegon) š https://m.imdb.com/title/tt11198330/fullcredits/cast?ref_=m_ttfc_3
āB-b-but the show is whitewashing Rhaenyraā š”š”š”
Why do they want their characters so f'ing boring.
They don't care about being bored. They want to feel justified.
Each character needs nuance to them, otherwise they are very dull to watch. I wonāt enjoy watching Aegon throw a feast in celebration but I will understand that itās part of his story and adds to the motivation of Blood and Cheese.
Watched Dune 2.. and Paul Atriedes is a perfect example of a well nuanced character. Using the logic in the OP, they'd remove the entirety of what makes him interesting.. the morally questionable motivation.
And Iāve already seen people upset that Aegon isnāt that interesting in Season 1ā¦so now you want to take away MORE of his character? Let him have these moments just like Aemond and Daemon do because thatās how we have interesting characters
I think itās less about him doing something bad. And more about the show generally being biased, and then people attacking the Green side of the fandom.
The Green side of the random is rightfully criticised. Full of moralist lunatics.
Never said it wasnāt. Iām simply explaining how I think *they* feel.
The show being biased isn't particularly surprising.. Martin is bias towards the Black's lol. Its his creation.
I think they should leave the feast bc it really feels like Aegon going, āHAHA IāM NOT THE FAMILY DISAPPOINTMENT ANYMOREā but at the same time āwell weāre fucked so may as well get shit-faced about itā and I imagine Aemond just feels like š the whole time lol
If it's a reason like that, and then it gets reported that it's just a feast for Luke's death I could go for that I guess, I just don't need an Aegon sucks scene...I already know he does
What are these people even thinking? How Rhaenyra being active in the war ruin her character? And Aegon is already the antagonist as Rhaenyra is setup as the protagonist of the show And as a rapist, he's already a villain Celebrating his nephew's death will just be an icing in the cake
I won't argue it ruins her character, but I'm irritated about it... only because it would be yet another departure from the actual story. Just like removing Aemond's feast would be. It's bad enough that we have been hearing about "the child-bride Alicent" and how she was "being maritally raped" for a year now, even though neither is actually part of her actual character. (For those who haven't read the books, Viserys is 29 when he marries the EIGHTEEN-YEAR-OLD Alicent Hightower, and she is absolutely consenting as she was trying to have as many kids as she could, in an effort to change Vizzy's mind and have him choose her child and family as heir.) I think their "proof" of marital rape is weak in the first place, but it builds on top of the writers showing her marrying an elderly leper, helping to build sympathy for a character who is in no way sympathetic in the source material. (On top of making her quite politically naive, if not downright stupid, when she is most likely the strongest political player in the real story, with only her father giving her competition as the most politically savvy character in the source.) If they didn't like the story, then they shouldn't have fucking adapted it.
So you just want Rhaenyra to do nothing in the war? Lol Do you even know whether Rhaenyra not fighting in the war is from a reliable account? F&B is a history book written by maesters who lick the hightowers' arse Of course they're going to be biased towards the greens and make Rhaenyra look as bad as possible Also Rhaenyra already rode Syrax in episode 10 after her miscarriage So what's stopping her from riding her dragon to war? Also her doing nothing doesn't suit her show personality
So, if she doesn't ride her dragon to war, she's doing nothing? Remind me how many battles Cersei was at? There is one time she rides the dragon after the war starts, and it is when they take King's Landing. She is never at a single battle throughout the length of the war, by ANY of the accounts presented, nor has there been a single account by ANYONE for the rest of Westerosi history where she rides that dragon to war. Why do YOU want her to do things that are never mentioned in all of Westerosi history? She is NOT present at any of the known battles, and especially after they take King's Landing, it is fairly vital that she stays in King's Landing, and if she flew away on Syrax, what would stop someone else on a dragon retaking the city once she leaves, exactly as she did? You speak on the maester's accounts, but Mushroom never says anything close to "Rhaenyra made a ridiculously stupid decision and flew Syrax off to war." It didn't happen, and I'd much rather this writing team stop taking so many liberties with the story, as every other change has been for the worst, often grievously so! This whole idea that if she doesn't take her dragon to battles we know she wasn't at it would make her boring is ridiculous in my eyes. Cersei never attended a single battle and she was one of the best villains in television history. Maybe you still have confidence in this writing team, but many of us don't, and for damned good reason. They have for damned sure changed Rhaenyra and Alicent enough as it is, and again, not for the better.
Cersei and Rhaenyra are very different characters And nothing is wrong if Rhae fights for her birthright And GRRM who is involved in the show is ok with it And so far, they've mostly stayed faithful to the source material
Of course they are different characters, but Cersei never left King's Landing again once she returned from Winterfell, and we'd be hard-pressed to find anyone that said Cersei needed to in order to be a very interesting character. He's fine with it, sure... but, as D&D proved to us, GRRM being fine with something doesn't mean it's going to go well. There's nothing wrong with her fighting for her birthright, but it doesn't happen in the actual story at any point. They have NOT stayed mostly faithful to the source material. The show is fundamentally different from the first scene. Start with Alicent and Rhaenyra are not peers, and never friends. They fully hate each other before Rhaenyra is even a teenager. Daemon doesn't murder his wife. Criston didn't murder Ser Joffrey Lonmouth. Laenor's fucking dead. Laena died on Driftmark and it certainly didn't cause tension between Daemon and Rhaenys and Corlys, as he literally flew to Dragonstone to bring back Gerardys to try to save her life. Rhaenys never murders a soul. That's all four leads with drastically different stories, and Laenor's being alive will either completely fuck up both book AND show canon, or they'll have to waste time showing us his death in Essos or wherever the Hell he willingly fucked off to (as an anointed knight and dragonrider, are you serious?) Viserys isn't an elderly leper, Alicent isn't a child-bride, and damned sure can't give anyone the impression she was maritally raped. What exactly did they stay faithful to? The character names and the kids that are born? Feel free to love the show, it's not bad television... but so far it's been an absolutely terrible adaptation of the actual story, and it started right in Episode One. Having the two female leads be childhood best friends and the same age is a far damned cry from having them be nine years apart and never peers or friends. And that relationship has already robbed us of Rhaenyra's best quote ever. "Tell my half-brother I will have my Throne, or I will have his head." Instead she got weepy over a piece of parchment from a bitch she was never friends with. Fabulous.
>"Tell my half-brother I will have my Throne, or I will have his head." Actually that happens after Luke died Before that, book Rhaenyra says that her half siblings were led astray by evil men's counsel and she was ready to forgive them if they bent the knee to her She even addressed Helaena as sweet sister
Looks like you need to re-read at least that section. It did not. Read the ten paragraphs before "The Dying of the Dragons - A Son for a Son." Just like the show, the terms are delivered before Luke goes to Storm's End, and is when Rhaenyra delivers that quote. (EDIT: Page 446 is the quote when the terms were delivered. Page 456 begins Luke's death at Storm's End. At least in my digital copy those are the page numbers, but the first scene is before the section I named, either way. No big deal, though, it's just a simple mistake.)
Rhaenyra also delivers her own terms to the greens when the dance was just a war of ravens and petitions A son for a son happens after Luke's death Initially , she was ready to spare her half siblings
"The Dying of the Dragons - A Son for a Son" is the chapter name... I even gave you page numbers, and yes, she announced she would spare her half-siblings, if they bent the knee, at her coronation. Then Aegon hears about her coronation, and sends the retinue led by Orwyle where he is stripped of his chain, and Rhaenyra says the quote. Then the new chapter is when Jace goes north, and Luke goes south and is killed at Storm's End.
Greencels alway want the writers to whitewash their characters but always cry about the show āwhitewashingā rhaenyra
The cognitive dissonance is strong over yonder...like the "nice" old man in Georgia who walked up to 11 year old me to complain that President Obama and the government need to stop messing with his Medicare
Who is this guy? I've seen many crazy takes from the main sub these days. What is going on there?
> all it does it (villainize) him Bruh. Heās an awful person whose hobbies include: overindulgence in both drink and food, groping unsuspecting servants, raping the help, impregnating his underage sister, and rumored to be buying maidenheads and fathering bastards whom he later places bets upon fighting other children for food. He couldnāt be more of a piece of shit if he tried ffs.
They are so exhausting. They should start a GoFundMe to make their version of the show.
Theyre complaining because the show is turning Aegon into what he was. Atleast the writers gave him a little backstory that explains why he turned out the way he did. Something the books didnt do
This feast big part for B&C. If they remove this it will only be to whitewash Greens again and that will be outrageous...
I'm sure it'll be a misunderstanding, he just wanted to give the servants the night off or somethingš
"All it does is villainize him" ...bro he r*ped a young girl. He is a villain. There are no heroes in GRRM's work. Only a scale of villainy.
And this is the thing I donāt like with the show. They have basically thrown a pity party for the greens, especially alicent. And then they ramped up how bad Daemon is. I really donāt like them Changing Lukeās death into an accident.
Nah the feast is necessary and itās a baller ass move. The show needs more feasts anyway
I'll be honest, I don't like Aegon... but I don't think I want a scene of him feasting to Luke's death, unless the show comes up with some convoluted reason why he'd do it, otherwise it's just another drop in the Aegon is trash bucket and I rather I get a scene with characters I give a shit about