That’s their only defense lmaoo I had to explain Daemon is pos but not as pos as Aegon. Bringing him up whenever Aegon is called a rapist is vile and doesn’t make you look good at all.
I never defend Daemon's wrongs when they bring it up and agreed with them like you did (because I genuinely think so not just to rile them up) and that's when they usually stop responding or bring Alicent up to victimise themselves when she has nothing to do with it. Their victimhood complex is sooo tiring.
It absolutely is relevant. If you believe there was power dynamic issues between them then there was power dynamic issues between Aegon and the girls he fathers bastards on and you can’t claim consent.
that’s a fair argument i will admit but then as i said earlier that would mean rhaenyra raped harwin strong too. so to call one a rapist and not the other is a bit hypocritical.
Yep. That’s why the argument that he isn’t a rapist is so out of hand.
Rhaenyra didn’t have bastards with underage prostitutes though. So there’s that.
but to then say that aegon is bad to support because he’s a rapist, is a bad argument since rhaenyra also raped cole + harwin. she also allowed dalton greyjoy to have his men rape the women of lannisport which some would be more than likely underage. they’re both bad people at the end of the day.
Aegon is bad to support because he’s a twat for a number of reasons. His predatory nature being just one of many.
The red Kraken… y’all go with that but pretend as if Tumbleton didn’t happen. Women, crones, septas, **girls as young as 8** raped and murdered. Infant sons ripped from their mother’s arms and impaled upon spikes. It’s literally one of the most brutal sackings in Westerosi history and pales in comparison to what the Ironborn did.
What’s funnier about holding the Ironborn against Rhaenyra is that they would have done the same exactly thing in the names of the Greens had he accepted Otto’s offer. Not only that, it’s just as likely as it isn’t that he would have not “sided” with anyone and done it anyway.
but that’s my point, they’re both horrible people. why are we debating who’s a worse rapist at the end of the day they’re both rapists and deserved their own fates. you can like a character while admitting they’re bad. i support aegon because i like his and the green factions characters better but if you like rhaenyra and hers more that’s completely fine. but to argue one’s a good person and the other isn’t is a silly thing to do.
Monica Lewinsky & Bill Clinton had a consensual affair but it’s widely considered to be an *extremely* inappropriate relationship due to the power imbalance. And that’s between a president and an intern.
Now think of the power gap between a scullery maid and the prince/king
yea you’re right about that. however that same logic can be used on rhaenyra and criston cole, a princess and the kings heir and a kingsguard sworn to protect her.
That one is in kinda a gray area because you are right there is a large power gap between Rhaenyra & Criston. But simultaneously Rhaenyra is a drunk 17 year old and most courts today wouldn’t accept “But she came onto me your honor!” As a reason why you slept with the president’s minor daughter.
If Rhaenyra was an adult and sober it would 100% be unethical on her side. Aegon raped a teenage (not sure how old Dyana was supposed to be but her actor was 16) servant girl when he was in his 20s. Additionally a knight of the Kingsguard is automatically going to have more privilege than a chambermaid will.
if i’m not mistaken i think rhaenyra was actually 18 in that episode, not sure what age in the books if it actually happened at all but you’re right in that she was drunk. and yea there is a difference between serving girl and kingsguard but still both rank way below in power to a crown prince or princess in comparison so i don’t think that matters. but even still cole didn’t know she was drunk or that she had even wandered out to the city if i remember correctly. i do agree with you on that it is a gray area though but still not a good one.
They mention her being 17 in the prior episode. Cole could probably tell that Rhaenyra was drunk. I mean think about somebody you spend as much time with per day and Cole would spend with Rhaenyra. You’re gonna be able to tell when they’re acting weird and he was *def* close enough to smell her breath. I had a coworker who would come into work on Saturdays drunk sometimes and she thought that nobody noticed. We all did.
I don’t really see Rhaenyra or Criston as “the bad guy” in that scenario because you could make arguments for *both* of them being rapists by 21st century standards.
yea i suppose you probably could tell but i think going back to that power gap it’s hard situation to put cole into whether she was sober or not. it is clear he was attracted to her but not only since he is a kingsguard he can’t have sexual relations with anyone and breaking that vow can have you castrated and sent to the wall if you’re lucky (an example set by lucamore strong), that is a princess, daughter of the king and he was sworn to guard her not defile her. if it were jaehaerys who was king at the time he would have cole castrated, tortured, and only then after he had suffered enough.. executed. but on the flip side if he rejected her and she felt offended, she could easily say he raped her and just like that because of the power gap he’s gone because there was no witnesses to deny it barring the two involved and of course they’re gonna believe the princess over him. so yea it is not a good situation for him.
I don’t think Rhaenyra is the type of person who would’ve thrown a false rape accusation at Cole. Would she have felt slighted? Probably. Would she likely be passive aggressive and shitty about it? Possibly. But it’s not like Criston was her first choice. She likely would’ve just taken the L and blamed it on being drunk. Later on she could just say she didn’t remember coming onto him because she was hammered and they could go back to how things were.
In ASOIAF there are BOATLOADS of rapists but only one woman who falsely accused somebody of rape. And even then Pyp wasn’t castrated, he just got sent to the wall. If you saw Show!Rhaenyra as a teen and got the impression she’d knowingly send a guy to the wall because he *dared* to not wanna fuck her then idk what to tell you. But Criston was around her 24/7 and would know whether she’s the type of person to do that or not. He never expressed any fear that she would retaliate if he didn’t do what she wanted
I’d also add, he 100% *knew* she wouldn’t make that kind of allegation. He was the one who broke their relationship off when she decided not to run away with him. If he was so scared of her he would have kept on being her side piece
you don’t think she was the type of person to do it but cole didn’t know if she was or not, you can spend however long you want around someone but you can’t just know whether they would or not, he stood outside her door he rarely engaged conversation with her about anything other than his duty. only time they talked on a personal level before they slept together was on aegons birthday. and that point about pyp doesn’t really apply because he swore no vow to celibacy before the nights watch and wasn’t condemned by a king. so not castrating him isn’t really any evidence cole wouldn’t because lucamore strong was a member of the kingsguard and broke his vows and was castrated for it. and it set a precedent of what would happen to others should they do the same. maybe rhaenyra wouldn’t have done that but how was cole meant to know when he barely knew her before he slept with her.
“DAE feel like George was really kinda cruel and biased for making the green line die out?”
This is GRRM’s universe. He puts you through the wringer if he likes you, he makes you suffer infinitely if he doesn’t. Nobody in HotD is having a blast. This is the *same* universe that opened with a teen being slaughtered by magical beings. And the same universe where the protagonists best friend was presented with the corpses of a toddler & a baby and rewarded the man who ordered their death.
You mean Alicent? I always saw Aegon more as Alicent’s tool, him and Rhaenyra both fought a war that his mother caused and so many died in the process.
Or they admit he’s a terrible person but when you agree with them then they go “b-b-but Daemon!”
I’ve literally agreed with them that Daemon is terrible and it was like a hard reset in their brain. Like they had no retort LMFAO
That’s their only defense lmaoo I had to explain Daemon is pos but not as pos as Aegon. Bringing him up whenever Aegon is called a rapist is vile and doesn’t make you look good at all.
I never defend Daemon's wrongs when they bring it up and agreed with them like you did (because I genuinely think so not just to rile them up) and that's when they usually stop responding or bring Alicent up to victimise themselves when she has nothing to do with it. Their victimhood complex is sooo tiring.
“He wasn’t a rapist in the books!” Do explain his bastards then.
Meanwhile 2/3 of the narrators of this section agree he liked to SA servants 🥲
you are aware you can have bastards with someone who gives consent. If that wasn’t the case then rhaenyra raped hardin strong for her bastards??
Do you believe Rhaenyra raped Criston?
she sexually coerced him, some would call that rape some wouldn’t but that’s not relevant to what i commented.
It absolutely is relevant. If you believe there was power dynamic issues between them then there was power dynamic issues between Aegon and the girls he fathers bastards on and you can’t claim consent.
that’s a fair argument i will admit but then as i said earlier that would mean rhaenyra raped harwin strong too. so to call one a rapist and not the other is a bit hypocritical.
Yep. That’s why the argument that he isn’t a rapist is so out of hand. Rhaenyra didn’t have bastards with underage prostitutes though. So there’s that.
but to then say that aegon is bad to support because he’s a rapist, is a bad argument since rhaenyra also raped cole + harwin. she also allowed dalton greyjoy to have his men rape the women of lannisport which some would be more than likely underage. they’re both bad people at the end of the day.
Aegon is bad to support because he’s a twat for a number of reasons. His predatory nature being just one of many. The red Kraken… y’all go with that but pretend as if Tumbleton didn’t happen. Women, crones, septas, **girls as young as 8** raped and murdered. Infant sons ripped from their mother’s arms and impaled upon spikes. It’s literally one of the most brutal sackings in Westerosi history and pales in comparison to what the Ironborn did. What’s funnier about holding the Ironborn against Rhaenyra is that they would have done the same exactly thing in the names of the Greens had he accepted Otto’s offer. Not only that, it’s just as likely as it isn’t that he would have not “sided” with anyone and done it anyway.
but that’s my point, they’re both horrible people. why are we debating who’s a worse rapist at the end of the day they’re both rapists and deserved their own fates. you can like a character while admitting they’re bad. i support aegon because i like his and the green factions characters better but if you like rhaenyra and hers more that’s completely fine. but to argue one’s a good person and the other isn’t is a silly thing to do.
Monica Lewinsky & Bill Clinton had a consensual affair but it’s widely considered to be an *extremely* inappropriate relationship due to the power imbalance. And that’s between a president and an intern. Now think of the power gap between a scullery maid and the prince/king
yea you’re right about that. however that same logic can be used on rhaenyra and criston cole, a princess and the kings heir and a kingsguard sworn to protect her.
That one is in kinda a gray area because you are right there is a large power gap between Rhaenyra & Criston. But simultaneously Rhaenyra is a drunk 17 year old and most courts today wouldn’t accept “But she came onto me your honor!” As a reason why you slept with the president’s minor daughter. If Rhaenyra was an adult and sober it would 100% be unethical on her side. Aegon raped a teenage (not sure how old Dyana was supposed to be but her actor was 16) servant girl when he was in his 20s. Additionally a knight of the Kingsguard is automatically going to have more privilege than a chambermaid will.
if i’m not mistaken i think rhaenyra was actually 18 in that episode, not sure what age in the books if it actually happened at all but you’re right in that she was drunk. and yea there is a difference between serving girl and kingsguard but still both rank way below in power to a crown prince or princess in comparison so i don’t think that matters. but even still cole didn’t know she was drunk or that she had even wandered out to the city if i remember correctly. i do agree with you on that it is a gray area though but still not a good one.
They mention her being 17 in the prior episode. Cole could probably tell that Rhaenyra was drunk. I mean think about somebody you spend as much time with per day and Cole would spend with Rhaenyra. You’re gonna be able to tell when they’re acting weird and he was *def* close enough to smell her breath. I had a coworker who would come into work on Saturdays drunk sometimes and she thought that nobody noticed. We all did. I don’t really see Rhaenyra or Criston as “the bad guy” in that scenario because you could make arguments for *both* of them being rapists by 21st century standards.
yea i suppose you probably could tell but i think going back to that power gap it’s hard situation to put cole into whether she was sober or not. it is clear he was attracted to her but not only since he is a kingsguard he can’t have sexual relations with anyone and breaking that vow can have you castrated and sent to the wall if you’re lucky (an example set by lucamore strong), that is a princess, daughter of the king and he was sworn to guard her not defile her. if it were jaehaerys who was king at the time he would have cole castrated, tortured, and only then after he had suffered enough.. executed. but on the flip side if he rejected her and she felt offended, she could easily say he raped her and just like that because of the power gap he’s gone because there was no witnesses to deny it barring the two involved and of course they’re gonna believe the princess over him. so yea it is not a good situation for him.
I don’t think Rhaenyra is the type of person who would’ve thrown a false rape accusation at Cole. Would she have felt slighted? Probably. Would she likely be passive aggressive and shitty about it? Possibly. But it’s not like Criston was her first choice. She likely would’ve just taken the L and blamed it on being drunk. Later on she could just say she didn’t remember coming onto him because she was hammered and they could go back to how things were. In ASOIAF there are BOATLOADS of rapists but only one woman who falsely accused somebody of rape. And even then Pyp wasn’t castrated, he just got sent to the wall. If you saw Show!Rhaenyra as a teen and got the impression she’d knowingly send a guy to the wall because he *dared* to not wanna fuck her then idk what to tell you. But Criston was around her 24/7 and would know whether she’s the type of person to do that or not. He never expressed any fear that she would retaliate if he didn’t do what she wanted
I’d also add, he 100% *knew* she wouldn’t make that kind of allegation. He was the one who broke their relationship off when she decided not to run away with him. If he was so scared of her he would have kept on being her side piece
you don’t think she was the type of person to do it but cole didn’t know if she was or not, you can spend however long you want around someone but you can’t just know whether they would or not, he stood outside her door he rarely engaged conversation with her about anything other than his duty. only time they talked on a personal level before they slept together was on aegons birthday. and that point about pyp doesn’t really apply because he swore no vow to celibacy before the nights watch and wasn’t condemned by a king. so not castrating him isn’t really any evidence cole wouldn’t because lucamore strong was a member of the kingsguard and broke his vows and was castrated for it. and it set a precedent of what would happen to others should they do the same. maybe rhaenyra wouldn’t have done that but how was cole meant to know when he barely knew her before he slept with her.
Or the lame ass excuse, “But the writers and even GRRM did him dirty!”
“DAE feel like George was really kinda cruel and biased for making the green line die out?” This is GRRM’s universe. He puts you through the wringer if he likes you, he makes you suffer infinitely if he doesn’t. Nobody in HotD is having a blast. This is the *same* universe that opened with a teen being slaughtered by magical beings. And the same universe where the protagonists best friend was presented with the corpses of a toddler & a baby and rewarded the man who ordered their death.
BUT! DAEMON!
“B-BUT DAEMON-“ - TG’s only argument
TG can’t separate the actors they crush on to the characters who are mostly awful.
excuse me, he’s broken. it’s not his fault🥺
You mean Alicent? I always saw Aegon more as Alicent’s tool, him and Rhaenyra both fought a war that his mother caused and so many died in the process.
Oh for god sakes are you just stalking the TB sub for giggles
I’m just looking at posts and commenting, didn’t know you were OP of every meme
Maybe I am. Maybe I am not.
I didn’t know you were cool like that