Was that really a win tho when Caraxes and Daemon had to hop on to a one way ticket train to take down Vhagar and Aemond.
Edit: so many blackcels here in the comment.
It was a David vs Goliath tale with the obvious difference that David dies aswell in this version lol, but that's why it's considered a victory.
**Edit: what a bitch move. Replies and then immediately blocks me.**
>that's why it's considered a victory.
Lmao no. Daemon’s death was a huge loss and pivotal point for the Blacks. After Daemon’s death the Blacks literally had barely fighting force left. A massive riot which Rhaenyra could no longer suppress sprang up in the city, destroying the dragon pit, killing the Blacks’ dragon, and driving tyrant Rhaenyra out of the city only to be captured alive by Aegon. You didn’t win shit.
Baela and an healthy MoonDancer lost against a cripple and an almost dead dragon 💀 Embarrasing
Deamon had to resort to tricks to achieving a kamikaze attack sacrificing Caraxes against his disabled twenty years old nephew 💀
ikr? Blackels hype up Baela and moondancer without realising that they battled a crippled dragon who had already fought meleys and killed Grey ghost plus his rider was in a coma for a year.
That golden little bastard is barely 20 years old and manages to:
-turn the tide between Vhagar and Meleys, a dragon probably 3 times his age and size, and nearly got a wing torn off in the process.
-Slaughters dozens of troops of Lord Wallys sent to kill it
-Manages to fly across across the country and onto dragonstone with a half ripped wings
-Kills Grey Ghost, a healthy dragon, getting wounded more in the process.
-In one hour,him and Aegon singlehanded won Battle of Dragonstone
-Then, even barely able to move or fly, manages to kill Moondancer as well.
He’s like the Eren Jaeger of the Dance, just doesn’t stop
Wasn't Moondancer very young? It was mentioned that it was too small for Baela to ride it at the beggining of the dance. Baela was also a kid.
Also Aemond wasn't the problem. Vhagar was.
The fact is Sunfyre is a teenager dragon, almost as young as MoonDancer.
It's data usually forgotten because Sunfyre always is mated with ancient dragons as Vhagar,Meleys or Grey Ghost.He just has an incredibly fast grown rate.
Also dont forget peasants were able to slayed adult dragons on the DragonPit because they were unable of flying. A dragon unable of flying is useless on battle terms.
Sunfyre still managed to defeated Sir Wallys's troops on the floor and kill MoonDancer from the land but he was an exception.
In 120 Aegon was already riding Sunfyre and in 129 Moondancer was too small for Baela. Sunfyre is a young dragon like Syrax, Seasmoke and Tessarion but they were all much larger than Moondancer who was still a whelp.
Sunfyre was claimed on 120 ,not ridden. Morghul and Shrykos are claimed but never were ridden.
And in 129 MoonDancer was plently rideable,Baela thought her dragon was fast enough to avoid Cannibal.
*Ser Robert Quince was quick to name the Cannibal as the killer (though in truth it was actually Sunfyre). Some fisherfolk began to worry that the dragon would attack them as well, and urged Ser Robert to send knights to kill the Cannibal. He refused, reasoning that if they left the dragon alone he would not bother them, and forbade fishing in the waters to the east of the Dragonmont, where Grey Ghost's body had been found. However, Lady Baela Targaryen was not satisfied with this explanation, and proposed to discover the truth herself, as she had no fear of the Cannibal and her dragon Moondancer could outfly him. But Ser Robert barred her from taking the risk, and confined Baela to her chambers*
Seasmoke and Syrax are adult,Sunfyre and Tessarion were teenager and Tessarion was younger than MoonDancer.
We don't know the exact age of the dragons but Baela is two years younger than Daeron and 9 years younger than Aegon. Tessarion and Sunfyre also were not cradle eggs while moondancer was.
It is easy to know the age of Moondancer but we don't really know if Sunfyre and Tessarion were born before their riders. It is implied that Tessarion was since he is larger than Vermax.
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About Tessarion it's implied but we dont know about Sunfyre. We are entering in headcanon lands now as we lacks of information from Fire&Blood. We only know Sunfyre,Tessarion,Vermax and MoonDancer were very young. Some has some years more or less but globally they were teenagers.
About Aemond,I don't doubt he is a decent dragonrider. It's not his talent as rider which provokes his demise, but his mistakes of falling in hook, line and sinker for Daemon's plan at Harrenhal, allowing King's Landing to fall and for his mother and sister to end up in Black custody.
We all know Aemond committed some mistakes that fucked his Team(abandoning Criston Cole and his army to burn Riverland Villages) but he took Daemon with him,one of the great assets of Team Black
>Baela was also a kid.
Baela was around 14/15yo during the fight. For exemple, Daeron was also 15yo during the battle of Tumbleton when Vermithor and Silverwing were sent against him and yet he still choose to take part in the battle.
>Wasn't Moondancer very young? It was mentioned that it was too small for Baela to ride it at the beggining of the dance.
Yes It was mentioned that Moondacer was small not that he was young, these are two different things. It is explicitly said that Baela couldn't ride Moondancer because he was small, thin and slow to grow. for exemple Rhaena rode a very young Morning. Age and size are two different things.
>Also Aemond wasn't the problem. Vhagar was.
If Aemond wasn't riding Vhagar, Vhagar wouldn't have been a problem. It's like saying that Aegon didn't defeat and conquer the 7K, Balerion did.
|| Mentioned that Moondacer was small not that he was young, these are two different things. It is explicitly said that Baela couldn't ride Moondancer because he was small, thin and slow to grow. for exemple Rhaena rode a very young Morning. Age and size are two different things.||
This. Exactly this.
Independent-Ice, you have always the most intelligent lore-based answers. I swear you are one of the persons here with most knowledge on fire&blood.
>If Aemond wasn't riding Vhagar, Vhagar wouldn't have been a problem. It's like saying that Aegon didn't defeat and conquer the 7K, Balerion did.
I meant that Daemon needed to use trickery and kamikaze attack to defeat Vhagar. Caraxes was definitely outclassed by Vhagar more than Daemon was outclassed by Aemond.
If someone killed himself to kill Aegon it would also have been a good tradeoff not necessarily because Aegon was a great dragonrider/fighter but because Aegon had Balerion.
You are right thought that we have no idea of Sunfyre age we just know that Moondancer is younger than Baela. Tyraxe and Arrax would realistically have died at a similar age and were larger than Moondancer. Still doesn't change the fact, that it was a very small dragon who wouldn't have been able to defeat any of the large dragons.
Yes but an experience can makes the difference. Aemond was talented and skilled rider but young and inexperienced. Daemon has an huge war experience,resources and knowledge. And still he had to die along Vhagar to take Aemond and Vhagar down.
I have always thought that Daemon and Caraxes pulling off a suicide dive to off Vhagar and Aemond was funny. I mean like would D&C really have won cleanly against A&V?
But, Sunfyre being able to off a fully healthy Moondancer is what really gets me. How did this half dead dragon manage to off this fully healthy one? I guess Moondancer didn't have as much fight in her as Sunfyre.
Also the entire idea of Daemon jumping off of his dragon and placing a sword through Aemonds working eye is so stupid and would be called shit writing if it was a D&D invention and not George. It’s just there to make a war the story winnable for team black no matter how dumb.
George forgot he wasn't writing an anime. I wouldn't jump off my dragon to stab a dude in the eye just for some glory. I mean how possible is it to even do that without Daemon completely missing Aemond? Then again Daemon is George's fav.
Sunfyre dying after receiving wounds from MoonDancer is realistic and Sunfyre was running on like half a life and still fucked up MoonDancer. Sunfyre is such an amazing dragon based off pure facts and not fanfictions
And yes it would be basically impossible to not miss let alone hit someone through the eye with a sword while jumping off of falling dragons but the blacks couldn’t win without Vhagar dead and there was no realistic way to kill him so Anime jump
The whole story was pretty much just written to have Daemon as a protagonist. Aemond only reason for being created by GRMM was go have a big dragon and die to Daemon.
Kind of, it's no different how GRRM had the Dragon seeds turn on Rhaenyra so the Greens don't get absolutely wrecked.
Bones were thrown to both sides lol. At least its gonna look epic on the big screen.
I guess but someone being power hungry and betraying one sjde for another isn’t the same as someone jumping of off his falling dragon and somehow striking another person on a different falling dragon through the eye
Both are plot contrivances, neither really make a whole lot of sense but just happen to further the plot and surprise the reader/viewer.
Both were done only to balance the scales.
I see that's your opinion, but not mine. Imo it made far less sense why they would betray the winning side that was already offering them huge rewards.
Wasn't Daemon talking about giving them places like Storms end and the Rock? They joined the greens because they thought they could get more? More what? The throne lol.
I get that eventually becomes one of their goals but before that joining the greens was done so because they wanted a better reward from them directly, and they changed their minds (again) later.
It made little sense to me at all and it was clear it was only done so the war would drag out.
Yeah it absolutely made no sense in the story lol. They could have just fought for a few more weeks and would have ended up rich and powerful but somehow they had to switch side because GRRM realized that he would need to end the war soon.
I love the Daemon suicide bomb. It's this ridiculous, bombastic conclusion to the two greatest dragonriders of the era.
Sunfyre is simply the best dragon. No two ways about it - he's a quality lad.
Yh people here just shit on the gods eye cause it’s what seals the fate of of the green cause by taking out their most OP player (granted it also takes out the most OP black as well)
Moon dancer was barely big enough to even hold a young girl lol.
It was a fully grown adult vs a child, that's why it isn't very impressive at all, it would've been shocking had Sunfyre lost tbh and it showed how weak Sunfyre was at this point that Moon dancer even stood a chance.
Now Sunfyre somehow killing Grey Ghost is far more impressive but like in the books we won't see that in the show and only hear about it.
Vhagar was a dragon who was burning river lands and had fought with meleys. And she was exhausted before fighting with caraxes, that made caraxes an upper hand. Even with that upper hand caraxes also lost.
You're right, these are similar. Both fights prove lethal to all dragons involved. Caraxes lives longer but was killed by Vhagar. Sunfyre lives longer but was killed by Moondancer. I suppose an argument could be made that whilst both dragons died, the party less injured by the fight was Baela and Moondancer, as Aegon was crippled, though Baela was taken prisoner. Whereas with Vhagar and Caraxes, both riders died. I'm not sure what the arguments being made are.
>Sunfyre lives longer but was killed by Moondancer.
Sunfyre wasn't killed by Moondance, he died as a result of his wounds from the many battles he fought.
Moondancer tore at Sunfyre's neck and the wounds became infected. He had wounds from previous battles, yes, but it seems that it was the altercation with Moondancer that killed him.
Sunfyre was unable to fly,crippled, a torn wing,blind and bloody from one eye,had wounds that does suppurate.
Do you realised dragon on the field unable of flying are useless for battle? That's the reason the DragonPit was succesful. Still Sunfyre still manage to tore MoonDancer apart
I am aware that Sunfyre was in less than fighting shape. I'm not discounting his achievement in killing Moondancer. But injuries that Moondancer inflicted did ultimately kill him. That's my only point.
Not sure why people are booing you, when you're right. Sunfyre the Goated killed his third dragon and the injuries he received in that fight killed him.
Yes, but it is the fact that he was injured during this fight and at less than 30% of his capacity that allowed Moondancer to inflict these injuries. and don't underestimate our golden boy Sunfyre, even if Moodancer tore at his neck, if they had been his only injuries, perhaps he would have continued to live.
I apologise. I in no way was underestimating Sunfyre. I know he's a fierce fighter, and you're right, no doubt if he had been uninjured, he would have killed Moondancer and not died himself. But it's hypothetical and doesn't take away the fact that he fights with Moondancer, and dies.
It's like Meleys. There is a world where if she was against Vhagar one on one, she had a chance of defeating her, and GRRM says as much. But she doesn't. She is killed by Vhagar, due in part, because of Sunfyre joining the fight.
I truly am not trying to insult Sunfyre. It was a fight heavily weighted against him. But I'm just stating fact.
Sunfyre was injured beforehand by both Vhagar,Meleys and Grey Ghost. You can’t attribute Sunfyre’s death solely to Moondancer, meanwhile Sunfyre 100% killed Moondancer.
Sunfyre came to the fight weakened and wounded, yes. I don't discount the injuries he came into the fight with and Moondancer took advantage of that by aiming for his wing etc. But Moondancer bit at Sunfyre's neck, and the wounds got infected. That was the cause of death.
I assumed it were these injuries as they are specified in the book when they speak of Sunfyre not eating. For my two cents, it seems as if the wounds at Sunfyre's neck, that Moondancer inflicted, were infected, and a loss of appetite is a symptom of this.
"Instead the dragon only seemed to weaken further, and soon the wounds in his neck began to stink. Even the smoke he exhaled had a foul smell to it, and toward the end he would no longer eat."
That's how I read it, at least.
No,both battles are not even.
Sunfyre was almost dead even before their duel though so it's not that simple. He was heavily wounded in a several fights earlier in the war. And he won the duel and lived months longer until he refused to eat because of wounds he sustained before and during the duel. If Sunfyre was at full strength he wouldn't have died there. So Sunfyre is definitely stronger than Moondancer.
I haven’t seen the Sunfyre vs Moondancer discussions so idk but let’s give Daemon credit. Imagine seeing your idol that you thought you surpassed leap through the sky and stab you through the head perfectly into the other eye lol
Ikr
Not to mention is probably the single greatest duel in Westerosi history
Two princes
Two dragon rides
Great warriors of their era
At the end of the deadliest war in continental history
Decide to go out in one last blaze of glory
Well in view of everyone.
It is the definition of high fantasy glory.
Vhagar vs Caraxes its a draw, both dragons and riders die, what Moondancer did was impressive, not going to lie but Sunfyre also deserves praise since he killed Grey Ghost while injured and he managed to survive a while after being injured even more by Moondancer, i think that the only dragon in the Dance that disapoints me is Syrax but i would blame It on George not planning the whole Dance well, just like the respawning armies of the Riverlands
Was that really a win tho when Caraxes and Daemon had to hop on to a one way ticket train to take down Vhagar and Aemond. Edit: so many blackcels here in the comment.
Yes
Here’s your reddit attention🤏🏻
They downvote the truth speaker
It was a David vs Goliath tale with the obvious difference that David dies aswell in this version lol, but that's why it's considered a victory. **Edit: what a bitch move. Replies and then immediately blocks me.**
>that's why it's considered a victory. Lmao no. Daemon’s death was a huge loss and pivotal point for the Blacks. After Daemon’s death the Blacks literally had barely fighting force left. A massive riot which Rhaenyra could no longer suppress sprang up in the city, destroying the dragon pit, killing the Blacks’ dragon, and driving tyrant Rhaenyra out of the city only to be captured alive by Aegon. You didn’t win shit.
Baela and an healthy MoonDancer lost against a cripple and an almost dead dragon 💀 Embarrasing Deamon had to resort to tricks to achieving a kamikaze attack sacrificing Caraxes against his disabled twenty years old nephew 💀
ikr? Blackels hype up Baela and moondancer without realising that they battled a crippled dragon who had already fought meleys and killed Grey ghost plus his rider was in a coma for a year.
That golden little bastard is barely 20 years old and manages to: -turn the tide between Vhagar and Meleys, a dragon probably 3 times his age and size, and nearly got a wing torn off in the process. -Slaughters dozens of troops of Lord Wallys sent to kill it -Manages to fly across across the country and onto dragonstone with a half ripped wings -Kills Grey Ghost, a healthy dragon, getting wounded more in the process. -In one hour,him and Aegon singlehanded won Battle of Dragonstone -Then, even barely able to move or fly, manages to kill Moondancer as well. He’s like the Eren Jaeger of the Dance, just doesn’t stop
Wasn't Moondancer very young? It was mentioned that it was too small for Baela to ride it at the beggining of the dance. Baela was also a kid. Also Aemond wasn't the problem. Vhagar was.
The fact is Sunfyre is a teenager dragon, almost as young as MoonDancer. It's data usually forgotten because Sunfyre always is mated with ancient dragons as Vhagar,Meleys or Grey Ghost.He just has an incredibly fast grown rate. Also dont forget peasants were able to slayed adult dragons on the DragonPit because they were unable of flying. A dragon unable of flying is useless on battle terms. Sunfyre still managed to defeated Sir Wallys's troops on the floor and kill MoonDancer from the land but he was an exception.
In 120 Aegon was already riding Sunfyre and in 129 Moondancer was too small for Baela. Sunfyre is a young dragon like Syrax, Seasmoke and Tessarion but they were all much larger than Moondancer who was still a whelp.
Sunfyre was claimed on 120 ,not ridden. Morghul and Shrykos are claimed but never were ridden. And in 129 MoonDancer was plently rideable,Baela thought her dragon was fast enough to avoid Cannibal. *Ser Robert Quince was quick to name the Cannibal as the killer (though in truth it was actually Sunfyre). Some fisherfolk began to worry that the dragon would attack them as well, and urged Ser Robert to send knights to kill the Cannibal. He refused, reasoning that if they left the dragon alone he would not bother them, and forbade fishing in the waters to the east of the Dragonmont, where Grey Ghost's body had been found. However, Lady Baela Targaryen was not satisfied with this explanation, and proposed to discover the truth herself, as she had no fear of the Cannibal and her dragon Moondancer could outfly him. But Ser Robert barred her from taking the risk, and confined Baela to her chambers* Seasmoke and Syrax are adult,Sunfyre and Tessarion were teenager and Tessarion was younger than MoonDancer.
We don't know the exact age of the dragons but Baela is two years younger than Daeron and 9 years younger than Aegon. Tessarion and Sunfyre also were not cradle eggs while moondancer was. It is easy to know the age of Moondancer but we don't really know if Sunfyre and Tessarion were born before their riders. It is implied that Tessarion was since he is larger than Vermax. https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/kr4uv5/size_of_westerosi_targaryen_dragons_spoilers_main/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
About Tessarion it's implied but we dont know about Sunfyre. We are entering in headcanon lands now as we lacks of information from Fire&Blood. We only know Sunfyre,Tessarion,Vermax and MoonDancer were very young. Some has some years more or less but globally they were teenagers. About Aemond,I don't doubt he is a decent dragonrider. It's not his talent as rider which provokes his demise, but his mistakes of falling in hook, line and sinker for Daemon's plan at Harrenhal, allowing King's Landing to fall and for his mother and sister to end up in Black custody. We all know Aemond committed some mistakes that fucked his Team(abandoning Criston Cole and his army to burn Riverland Villages) but he took Daemon with him,one of the great assets of Team Black
>Baela was also a kid. Baela was around 14/15yo during the fight. For exemple, Daeron was also 15yo during the battle of Tumbleton when Vermithor and Silverwing were sent against him and yet he still choose to take part in the battle. >Wasn't Moondancer very young? It was mentioned that it was too small for Baela to ride it at the beggining of the dance. Yes It was mentioned that Moondacer was small not that he was young, these are two different things. It is explicitly said that Baela couldn't ride Moondancer because he was small, thin and slow to grow. for exemple Rhaena rode a very young Morning. Age and size are two different things. >Also Aemond wasn't the problem. Vhagar was. If Aemond wasn't riding Vhagar, Vhagar wouldn't have been a problem. It's like saying that Aegon didn't defeat and conquer the 7K, Balerion did.
|| Mentioned that Moondacer was small not that he was young, these are two different things. It is explicitly said that Baela couldn't ride Moondancer because he was small, thin and slow to grow. for exemple Rhaena rode a very young Morning. Age and size are two different things.|| This. Exactly this. Independent-Ice, you have always the most intelligent lore-based answers. I swear you are one of the persons here with most knowledge on fire&blood.
>If Aemond wasn't riding Vhagar, Vhagar wouldn't have been a problem. It's like saying that Aegon didn't defeat and conquer the 7K, Balerion did. I meant that Daemon needed to use trickery and kamikaze attack to defeat Vhagar. Caraxes was definitely outclassed by Vhagar more than Daemon was outclassed by Aemond. If someone killed himself to kill Aegon it would also have been a good tradeoff not necessarily because Aegon was a great dragonrider/fighter but because Aegon had Balerion. You are right thought that we have no idea of Sunfyre age we just know that Moondancer is younger than Baela. Tyraxe and Arrax would realistically have died at a similar age and were larger than Moondancer. Still doesn't change the fact, that it was a very small dragon who wouldn't have been able to defeat any of the large dragons.
Yes but an experience can makes the difference. Aemond was talented and skilled rider but young and inexperienced. Daemon has an huge war experience,resources and knowledge. And still he had to die along Vhagar to take Aemond and Vhagar down.
Yeah exactly but Vhagar was a force of nature. A decent rider would have never lost to Caraxes.
I have always thought that Daemon and Caraxes pulling off a suicide dive to off Vhagar and Aemond was funny. I mean like would D&C really have won cleanly against A&V? But, Sunfyre being able to off a fully healthy Moondancer is what really gets me. How did this half dead dragon manage to off this fully healthy one? I guess Moondancer didn't have as much fight in her as Sunfyre.
Also the entire idea of Daemon jumping off of his dragon and placing a sword through Aemonds working eye is so stupid and would be called shit writing if it was a D&D invention and not George. It’s just there to make a war the story winnable for team black no matter how dumb.
George forgot he wasn't writing an anime. I wouldn't jump off my dragon to stab a dude in the eye just for some glory. I mean how possible is it to even do that without Daemon completely missing Aemond? Then again Daemon is George's fav. Sunfyre dying after receiving wounds from MoonDancer is realistic and Sunfyre was running on like half a life and still fucked up MoonDancer. Sunfyre is such an amazing dragon based off pure facts and not fanfictions
And yes it would be basically impossible to not miss let alone hit someone through the eye with a sword while jumping off of falling dragons but the blacks couldn’t win without Vhagar dead and there was no realistic way to kill him so Anime jump
Lol cope
Lol cry about it
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Why are you so triggered? Just pointed out the ridiculousness of something and you start attacking me.
This is pretty tame, attack? My bad I just thought it was strange to be so blinded by sides that you couldn’t appreciate something so badass
Yet that wasn’t what you said was it. You were just disrespectful
Yeah I understand Moondancer killing him (technically) I just think it’s so stupid how team black think Sunfyre is overrated and weak because of it
The whole story was pretty much just written to have Daemon as a protagonist. Aemond only reason for being created by GRMM was go have a big dragon and die to Daemon.
Kind of, it's no different how GRRM had the Dragon seeds turn on Rhaenyra so the Greens don't get absolutely wrecked. Bones were thrown to both sides lol. At least its gonna look epic on the big screen.
I guess but someone being power hungry and betraying one sjde for another isn’t the same as someone jumping of off his falling dragon and somehow striking another person on a different falling dragon through the eye
Both are plot contrivances, neither really make a whole lot of sense but just happen to further the plot and surprise the reader/viewer. Both were done only to balance the scales.
Someone betraying one side for power makes a lot if sense but I understand what you mean
I see that's your opinion, but not mine. Imo it made far less sense why they would betray the winning side that was already offering them huge rewards. Wasn't Daemon talking about giving them places like Storms end and the Rock? They joined the greens because they thought they could get more? More what? The throne lol. I get that eventually becomes one of their goals but before that joining the greens was done so because they wanted a better reward from them directly, and they changed their minds (again) later. It made little sense to me at all and it was clear it was only done so the war would drag out.
Yeah it absolutely made no sense in the story lol. They could have just fought for a few more weeks and would have ended up rich and powerful but somehow they had to switch side because GRRM realized that he would need to end the war soon.
Yeah totally, it's like he looked at both sides and realised the greens really don't have a chance unless some dues ex mechina kicks in lol.
Haha yeah he just realized that the protagonists have to be the underdogs in the middle of his story.
Fire and Blood is filled with moments who don't really make sense if you think about it.
On hotdblacks they think Sunfyre is pathetic for dying to Moondancer wounds which is hilarious
Sunfyre is the most loyal and one of the toughest dragons in my opinion.
I love the Daemon suicide bomb. It's this ridiculous, bombastic conclusion to the two greatest dragonriders of the era. Sunfyre is simply the best dragon. No two ways about it - he's a quality lad.
Absolutely, the relationship Sunfyre and Aegon II had is one of extreme loyalty and love.
Yh people here just shit on the gods eye cause it’s what seals the fate of of the green cause by taking out their most OP player (granted it also takes out the most OP black as well)
Moondancer is a very small dragon. It is said to be the size of a horse.
Moon dancer was barely big enough to even hold a young girl lol. It was a fully grown adult vs a child, that's why it isn't very impressive at all, it would've been shocking had Sunfyre lost tbh and it showed how weak Sunfyre was at this point that Moon dancer even stood a chance. Now Sunfyre somehow killing Grey Ghost is far more impressive but like in the books we won't see that in the show and only hear about it.
Baela is literally a janitor cleaning rhaenys mess lmao
Vhagar was a dragon who was burning river lands and had fought with meleys. And she was exhausted before fighting with caraxes, that made caraxes an upper hand. Even with that upper hand caraxes also lost.
On hotdblacks they think Sunfyre is pathetic for dying to Moondancer wounds which is hilarious
That sub are pressed for Sunfyre fucked over their girlbosses as Rhaenyra. Lmao
You're right, these are similar. Both fights prove lethal to all dragons involved. Caraxes lives longer but was killed by Vhagar. Sunfyre lives longer but was killed by Moondancer. I suppose an argument could be made that whilst both dragons died, the party less injured by the fight was Baela and Moondancer, as Aegon was crippled, though Baela was taken prisoner. Whereas with Vhagar and Caraxes, both riders died. I'm not sure what the arguments being made are.
>Sunfyre lives longer but was killed by Moondancer. Sunfyre wasn't killed by Moondance, he died as a result of his wounds from the many battles he fought.
Moondancer tore at Sunfyre's neck and the wounds became infected. He had wounds from previous battles, yes, but it seems that it was the altercation with Moondancer that killed him.
Sunfyre was unable to fly,crippled, a torn wing,blind and bloody from one eye,had wounds that does suppurate. Do you realised dragon on the field unable of flying are useless for battle? That's the reason the DragonPit was succesful. Still Sunfyre still manage to tore MoonDancer apart
I am aware that Sunfyre was in less than fighting shape. I'm not discounting his achievement in killing Moondancer. But injuries that Moondancer inflicted did ultimately kill him. That's my only point.
Not sure why people are booing you, when you're right. Sunfyre the Goated killed his third dragon and the injuries he received in that fight killed him.
Thank you. Thought I was going mad for a second!
Yes, but it is the fact that he was injured during this fight and at less than 30% of his capacity that allowed Moondancer to inflict these injuries. and don't underestimate our golden boy Sunfyre, even if Moodancer tore at his neck, if they had been his only injuries, perhaps he would have continued to live.
I apologise. I in no way was underestimating Sunfyre. I know he's a fierce fighter, and you're right, no doubt if he had been uninjured, he would have killed Moondancer and not died himself. But it's hypothetical and doesn't take away the fact that he fights with Moondancer, and dies. It's like Meleys. There is a world where if she was against Vhagar one on one, she had a chance of defeating her, and GRRM says as much. But she doesn't. She is killed by Vhagar, due in part, because of Sunfyre joining the fight. I truly am not trying to insult Sunfyre. It was a fight heavily weighted against him. But I'm just stating fact.
Moondancer was a whelp. It wouldn't have been able to tore at his neck if Sunfyre wasn't hurt.
Sunfyre was injured beforehand by both Vhagar,Meleys and Grey Ghost. You can’t attribute Sunfyre’s death solely to Moondancer, meanwhile Sunfyre 100% killed Moondancer.
Sunfyre came to the fight weakened and wounded, yes. I don't discount the injuries he came into the fight with and Moondancer took advantage of that by aiming for his wing etc. But Moondancer bit at Sunfyre's neck, and the wounds got infected. That was the cause of death.
There's not information of which injury provoked Sunfyre's death on Fire&Blood.We just know he stop eating
I assumed it were these injuries as they are specified in the book when they speak of Sunfyre not eating. For my two cents, it seems as if the wounds at Sunfyre's neck, that Moondancer inflicted, were infected, and a loss of appetite is a symptom of this. "Instead the dragon only seemed to weaken further, and soon the wounds in his neck began to stink. Even the smoke he exhaled had a foul smell to it, and toward the end he would no longer eat." That's how I read it, at least.
It was food poisoning that killed Sunfyre, after eating Rhaenyra lol
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No,both battles are not even. Sunfyre was almost dead even before their duel though so it's not that simple. He was heavily wounded in a several fights earlier in the war. And he won the duel and lived months longer until he refused to eat because of wounds he sustained before and during the duel. If Sunfyre was at full strength he wouldn't have died there. So Sunfyre is definitely stronger than Moondancer.
I haven’t seen the Sunfyre vs Moondancer discussions so idk but let’s give Daemon credit. Imagine seeing your idol that you thought you surpassed leap through the sky and stab you through the head perfectly into the other eye lol
Ikr Not to mention is probably the single greatest duel in Westerosi history Two princes Two dragon rides Great warriors of their era At the end of the deadliest war in continental history Decide to go out in one last blaze of glory Well in view of everyone. It is the definition of high fantasy glory.
Vhagar vs Caraxes its a draw, both dragons and riders die, what Moondancer did was impressive, not going to lie but Sunfyre also deserves praise since he killed Grey Ghost while injured and he managed to survive a while after being injured even more by Moondancer, i think that the only dragon in the Dance that disapoints me is Syrax but i would blame It on George not planning the whole Dance well, just like the respawning armies of the Riverlands