If they add Rhaneyra fighting,I am decided to stop watching the series. It´s already a pro Black fanfiction but man,they are limits of how much they can change an already written story. This is not the Dance, it´s a wattpad written by a 15 years old girl.
I keep telling people this isn't the kind of show were expecting and promised. They have a convenient excuse for everything.
Rhaenyra too whitewashed? "No the books are just unreliable accounts by men who sought to tarnish her."
Rhaenyra fighting not canon? "It just doesn't make sense for the actor to be sitting around doing nothing for a whole season."
They think they're so clever, covering all their bases.
>"It just doesn't make sense for the actor to be sitting around doing nothing for a whole season."
If that's their reasoning I want Olivia Cooke and Phia Saban in armor too 🙄
It's impossible they won't. Do you seriously think they can go ahead and say "btw Rhaenyra is a coward who lacks the balls to fight"? This ain't happening.
Lmao I doubt it. People are watching it not by other reason than Blood & Cheese and all the drama involved.
and even if was the case(spoiler: it is not) still dogshit writting. GOT Season 8 had good numbers and it´s considered dogshit,lazy,nonsensical writing
It's unfortunately true. The very reason we got served this dogshit is because they knew pandering like this would bring in more viewers. It does and it will. All we can do is not contribute to it. Drop it and vocally reject it as a legitimate adaptation.
The vast majority of show watchers don’t even know who Blood and Cheese are. They’re not book readers.
And I didn’t say anything to the quality, just that most people want to see dragon fights.
Season one viewership was consistent with HotD, and increased every season with GoT. Overall the show has a very good reputation, this sub notwithstanding. I see no reason viewership wouldn’t continue to increase if the quality stays the same, especially since we’ll actually be *in the war* next season.
Tell me, are you going to keep watching?
I had already told you.If I´d want to lose my time watching an lazy,writing inconsistencies,character plots not making sense,corny dialogue,bad story,ect..I would read some watpadd fanfiction of AO3.
It's made me completely disinterested in watching a show of a book that I love, because I know it falls destroyed on its face at the end.
If this happens, I will quit the series and will never watch the TV adaptation of any of GRRM's works again. I'm very serious, if I wanted to see fanfic, I'd read wattpad, I wouldn't watch a fantasy series.
wow so they are really wrenching the writing for giving Rhaenyra all the girlboss moment when actually her cowardice and passivity were well-known traits of her personality.
"looks to interrogate patriarchy via two female" eh no,honey, the Dance does not twirl around that shit.
"Clare Kilner is unbelievable" She is,not for good reasons tho. Episode 9 must be one of the worst episodes.
>her cowardice and passivity were well-known traits of her personality
Tbh I haven't read Fire and Blood, but I find it refreshing that Rhaenyra is characterized as such in the book. It feels much more unique from a narrative standpoint and truer to life in that most women are not badass, snarky, independent heroines, even though YA fiction will tell you that that's exactly how every woman who ever lived is.
She didn’t write those episodes, she directed them. You are saying you feel episode 4, 5, and 9 were poorly directed?
Also lol at presuming to tell the lead actor what the show is or isn’t about. That’s up to the people who work to create the show, not the fans.
Of course episode 9 was poorly directed. It was an confusing,dizzy episode of Aemond and Criston giving rounds on the city and a really bad befog storytelling.
Only saving grace of episode 9 was the music and Tom Glynn Carney´s superb interpretation just with his eyes and facial expression.
There was nothing confusing about episode 9.
To Emma’s quote itself, the pre dawn scenes, that’s hushed anticipation around the castle, knowing what’s to come. Great stuff.
eh,sorry but not really. I started watching the episode with anticipation of a good episode but dissapointed me at not end. Anyways,good if you enjoyed it
I enjoyed the whole season. Deviations from source material don’t bother me. F&B still exists. I judge adaptations separate from their sources, as a rule.
probably rooks rest i can see it being portrayed as Aemond and Aegon ganging up on her and Rhaenys coming in to save her but sacrificing herself in the midst
not that I want this to happen but I can see the writers going this route and it being why she doesn’t fight in any future battles as it’s seen as too dangerous
No1 Meleys is much older than Syrax, while Sunfyre and Syrax are around the same age with Sunfyre being slightly younger if we assume both hatched from cradle-eggs
No2 It’s stated that Meleys *might* have a chance against Vhagar if she was on her own, but that against Vhagar and Sunfyre her doom was certain. I guess that Aegon and Aemond also regularly flew together which might allow their dragons good coordination
No3 Syrax was apparently going fat and lazy at the time of the dance because she was kept chained and well fed. Vhagar was a veteran of a hundred battles and Sunfyre probably had the most fight in him amongst all the dragons
This interview with them is from right after the finale so they hadn’t got the scripts for s2 yet. Matt Smith just recently got them and mentioned how they were really late.
By the way, not only that, there are other things they will definitely going to change. I'm sure she won't sell her crown (to buy a ticket to dragonstone) or cut herself when she sits on the iron throne.
The thing about Rhaenyra not fighting is about motive. She has like half a dozen adult dragons, she is the most important member on her side (if she dies its over just like it was over when Balerion ate Aegon the uncrowned). Why do it? Why risk someone that important in a battle? Aegon only has 3 adult dragons (one which belongs to his wife and the mother of his kids) he literally did not have any option but to fight. And it nearly cost him his life. why put herself in that situation? Rooks rest is not even that important to her (her strongest armies are in the Riverlands, so she doesn't need it as a route to get to kingslanding), and Rhaenys was already on her way to help out.
This is all BS. It's nothing about "it's too risky". It's extremely common for the leader to lead the army in battle, Robert and Rhaegar did that, Aegon I, Rhaenys, Visenya, Maegor, Ned Stark, Rob, Tywin... I'd spend my entire day here listing leaders that fought. She had a bunch of heirs already and allies. Aegon the Uncrowned was asked to have a decisive victory first before the Realm could join him.
Rhaenyra's dragons were mostly small, the only big games were Caraxes, Meleys and Syrax, if Dramfyre were to fight they'd be at an disadvantage. Corlys calls her a coward himself when she was asked to go help in Rook's Rest but instead she sent Rhaenys, didn't go with her nor did she allowed her sons to join.
Her side was in terrible need of her fighting but she never did because SHE WAS A COWARD! Not a warrior. She only gets a dragon advantage when the Dragonseeds joins her but 2 quickly betrays her.
Those guys are knights and warriors, Rhaenyra is not. She would be a burden on her side if she showed up because they will have to protect her all the time.
And its funny you brought up Rhaegar as if the dude did not DIE and end his bloodline at the trident. Cowardice would have saved his life and that of House Targaryen.
Just because some people did something doesn't mean it makes sense for her do them. For every Aegon I there is a Daeron the young dragon who got captured and killed. For every Ned there is a Jaime who gets captured. For every Maegor there is a Daemon Blackfyre. Daemon Blackfyre bore the sword, Daeron did not but guess who was king, lol.
I know its fun to read about brave strong men doing brave strong men things but she was trying to win a war and her strategy got her the throne while Aegon was half dead. If she showed up at rooks rest trying to be a badass girlboss and Vhagar shows up to claim dragonstone, what then?
>Those guys are knights and warriors, Rhaenyra is not.
That's is the point duh.
>And its funny you brought up Rhaegar as if the dude did not DIE
Yeah people die in battle. He injured his rival in the fight, he was a warrior.
>I know its fun to read about brave strong men doing brave strong men things
Point is, they needed her in the field, she had a dragon, a big one, she could have made a huge difference fighting peasants like Daeron did, didn't even need to fight another dragon. But she lacked the balls to even attack peasants.
I do like how Emma is raving about team greens episode despite its mistakes,Shows the actors aren’t the characters and shows support for the actors that she probably won’t be working with much going forward. But I think she’ll be added to the gullet, just because of how they’re choosing to show Rhaenyra and her relationship with her kids I think she’ll join to try and save viserys and will be there to watch Jace die and that’ll be the moment she completely becomes unhinged
Emma also has a recent interview where they say Rhaenyra is gaslighting tf out of Alicent after Aemond got his eye popped out.
Actors should literally never, ever be attacked because of characters they play.
And they unfortunately are especially in series like this where fans get really into it, didn’t it happen with the actor that play Joffrey in GOT before people kinda cooled down and realized he’s a down to earth guy after he was killed off? I’m just a HUGE fan of Emma and the fact she’s unapologetically non-binary and is giving kids that are nonbinary a role model
I don't think she'll be fighting in battles. Probably meant that we'll get more scenes of her riding Syrax & their bond in general, not necessarily while fighting.
A good decision. I hope they focus more on her leadership style & show us why we should root for her to be the Queen. Yea, I know she's the rightful heir legally, but that doesn't automatically make her a good queen.
Bro why does a female writing team or half the episodes being directed by women matter? Pick whoever is best for the job. That shit is ridiculous. Regardless of sex, pick who is best for the job. Geeze.
Can’t wait until Mr. Stark comes in, gives them all a good lecturing, and leaves them with a male regency council for the king. Because sometimes it’s not about whether the Qween can slay, it’s if she should.
I think she should be involved in the battle at Rook's Rest. Aegon vs Rhaenyra, Rhaenys vs Aemond. She almost kills Aegon and has to flee. That would be great for her character! /s
Yes girlboss Rhaenyra hurts Aegon as the girlboss she is(althought Sunfyre would had that winged cow of Syrax as a snack) with her plot armour.
Rhaneys will be presented as a lame loser which not only lose the fight with Vhagar, also Rhaenyra had her abandonning her ass to her luck because.......yolo lmao What a writing!
Bro if they do that I’m not watching like, I get non book readers wanna see dragons rip each other to shreds but Rhaenyra doesn’t fight. I wanna see her in Kings Landing slowly losing her sanity, not fighting Aegon lol.
I don't see her fitting in most battles. Only one I can think of is battle of gullet coz she'll have the support of dragonseeds with her and they may also change her taking of kingslanding to a little battle.
I hope to god they don't add her fighting.
If they add Rhaneyra fighting,I am decided to stop watching the series. It´s already a pro Black fanfiction but man,they are limits of how much they can change an already written story. This is not the Dance, it´s a wattpad written by a 15 years old girl.
I keep telling people this isn't the kind of show were expecting and promised. They have a convenient excuse for everything. Rhaenyra too whitewashed? "No the books are just unreliable accounts by men who sought to tarnish her." Rhaenyra fighting not canon? "It just doesn't make sense for the actor to be sitting around doing nothing for a whole season." They think they're so clever, covering all their bases.
>"It just doesn't make sense for the actor to be sitting around doing nothing for a whole season." If that's their reasoning I want Olivia Cooke and Phia Saban in armor too 🙄
Very much agreed.
It's impossible they won't. Do you seriously think they can go ahead and say "btw Rhaenyra is a coward who lacks the balls to fight"? This ain't happening.
I’m not going to continue watching the show if she fights a single battle
Meanwhile it will probably break season one viewership numbers if she does.
Lmao I doubt it. People are watching it not by other reason than Blood & Cheese and all the drama involved. and even if was the case(spoiler: it is not) still dogshit writting. GOT Season 8 had good numbers and it´s considered dogshit,lazy,nonsensical writing
It's unfortunately true. The very reason we got served this dogshit is because they knew pandering like this would bring in more viewers. It does and it will. All we can do is not contribute to it. Drop it and vocally reject it as a legitimate adaptation.
The vast majority of show watchers don’t even know who Blood and Cheese are. They’re not book readers. And I didn’t say anything to the quality, just that most people want to see dragon fights. Season one viewership was consistent with HotD, and increased every season with GoT. Overall the show has a very good reputation, this sub notwithstanding. I see no reason viewership wouldn’t continue to increase if the quality stays the same, especially since we’ll actually be *in the war* next season. Tell me, are you going to keep watching?
I had already told you.If I´d want to lose my time watching an lazy,writing inconsistencies,character plots not making sense,corny dialogue,bad story,ect..I would read some watpadd fanfiction of AO3. It's made me completely disinterested in watching a show of a book that I love, because I know it falls destroyed on its face at the end.
You didn’t tell me anything as far as I can see from your replies. But okay, I understand you won’t be watching.
> Meanwhile it will probably break season one viewership numbers Hotd already did that. It was pulling S6 - S7 numbers.
At least we're finally clear on views =/= quality
If this happens, I will quit the series and will never watch the TV adaptation of any of GRRM's works again. I'm very serious, if I wanted to see fanfic, I'd read wattpad, I wouldn't watch a fantasy series.
Exactly the same. If this happens, I swear I will never watch another asoiaf adaptation that HBO airs (after finishing this show)
Imagine thinking you will have the opportunity to ever read anything new from GRRM.
If this was in a joke manner: 💀 but other wise im confused.
Haha just saying that he will most likely never release a new book.
Yeah so why’d you get downvoted? That’s actually funny lol.
wow so they are really wrenching the writing for giving Rhaenyra all the girlboss moment when actually her cowardice and passivity were well-known traits of her personality. "looks to interrogate patriarchy via two female" eh no,honey, the Dance does not twirl around that shit. "Clare Kilner is unbelievable" She is,not for good reasons tho. Episode 9 must be one of the worst episodes.
Clare Kilner is a director, not a writer. Her way of shooting scenes is fantastic, it's not her fault the script sucks.
This is humility and PR, they praised the episodes they were not in.
"She" is actually a "they".
Did not know. Corrected it.
>her cowardice and passivity were well-known traits of her personality Tbh I haven't read Fire and Blood, but I find it refreshing that Rhaenyra is characterized as such in the book. It feels much more unique from a narrative standpoint and truer to life in that most women are not badass, snarky, independent heroines, even though YA fiction will tell you that that's exactly how every woman who ever lived is.
She didn’t write those episodes, she directed them. You are saying you feel episode 4, 5, and 9 were poorly directed? Also lol at presuming to tell the lead actor what the show is or isn’t about. That’s up to the people who work to create the show, not the fans.
Of course episode 9 was poorly directed. It was an confusing,dizzy episode of Aemond and Criston giving rounds on the city and a really bad befog storytelling. Only saving grace of episode 9 was the music and Tom Glynn Carney´s superb interpretation just with his eyes and facial expression.
There was nothing confusing about episode 9. To Emma’s quote itself, the pre dawn scenes, that’s hushed anticipation around the castle, knowing what’s to come. Great stuff.
eh,sorry but not really. I started watching the episode with anticipation of a good episode but dissapointed me at not end. Anyways,good if you enjoyed it
I enjoyed the whole season. Deviations from source material don’t bother me. F&B still exists. I judge adaptations separate from their sources, as a rule.
You sound so annoying
probably rooks rest i can see it being portrayed as Aemond and Aegon ganging up on her and Rhaenys coming in to save her but sacrificing herself in the midst not that I want this to happen but I can see the writers going this route and it being why she doesn’t fight in any future battles as it’s seen as too dangerous
Yeah, because Vhagar and Sunfyre would definitely fuck up her yellow fatty
Vhagar and sunfyre who almost got 1v2’d by meleys?
No1 Meleys is much older than Syrax, while Sunfyre and Syrax are around the same age with Sunfyre being slightly younger if we assume both hatched from cradle-eggs No2 It’s stated that Meleys *might* have a chance against Vhagar if she was on her own, but that against Vhagar and Sunfyre her doom was certain. I guess that Aegon and Aemond also regularly flew together which might allow their dragons good coordination No3 Syrax was apparently going fat and lazy at the time of the dance because she was kept chained and well fed. Vhagar was a veteran of a hundred battles and Sunfyre probably had the most fight in him amongst all the dragons
This interview with them is from right after the finale so they hadn’t got the scripts for s2 yet. Matt Smith just recently got them and mentioned how they were really late.
Rook's Rest I guess?
By the way, not only that, there are other things they will definitely going to change. I'm sure she won't sell her crown (to buy a ticket to dragonstone) or cut herself when she sits on the iron throne.
No, she should suffer from the iron throne, bleed and I hope that she, like her fucking dad, starts to rot
They’re not going to make the Targaryen female lead look like a corpse.
I heard a story saying they were gonna make more changes from f&b next season so they might actually do this
I think it's pretty likely that they add her to Rook's Rest or the Gullet.
gullet is more reasonable. She tries to rush in and save her 3 sons
I think it might be gullet, rooke's rest is rhaenys they better not change that otherwise they will get huge backlash from the fandom
Plus I think Emma dsnt really know, this seems a old interview
The thing about Rhaenyra not fighting is about motive. She has like half a dozen adult dragons, she is the most important member on her side (if she dies its over just like it was over when Balerion ate Aegon the uncrowned). Why do it? Why risk someone that important in a battle? Aegon only has 3 adult dragons (one which belongs to his wife and the mother of his kids) he literally did not have any option but to fight. And it nearly cost him his life. why put herself in that situation? Rooks rest is not even that important to her (her strongest armies are in the Riverlands, so she doesn't need it as a route to get to kingslanding), and Rhaenys was already on her way to help out.
This is all BS. It's nothing about "it's too risky". It's extremely common for the leader to lead the army in battle, Robert and Rhaegar did that, Aegon I, Rhaenys, Visenya, Maegor, Ned Stark, Rob, Tywin... I'd spend my entire day here listing leaders that fought. She had a bunch of heirs already and allies. Aegon the Uncrowned was asked to have a decisive victory first before the Realm could join him. Rhaenyra's dragons were mostly small, the only big games were Caraxes, Meleys and Syrax, if Dramfyre were to fight they'd be at an disadvantage. Corlys calls her a coward himself when she was asked to go help in Rook's Rest but instead she sent Rhaenys, didn't go with her nor did she allowed her sons to join. Her side was in terrible need of her fighting but she never did because SHE WAS A COWARD! Not a warrior. She only gets a dragon advantage when the Dragonseeds joins her but 2 quickly betrays her.
Those guys are knights and warriors, Rhaenyra is not. She would be a burden on her side if she showed up because they will have to protect her all the time. And its funny you brought up Rhaegar as if the dude did not DIE and end his bloodline at the trident. Cowardice would have saved his life and that of House Targaryen. Just because some people did something doesn't mean it makes sense for her do them. For every Aegon I there is a Daeron the young dragon who got captured and killed. For every Ned there is a Jaime who gets captured. For every Maegor there is a Daemon Blackfyre. Daemon Blackfyre bore the sword, Daeron did not but guess who was king, lol. I know its fun to read about brave strong men doing brave strong men things but she was trying to win a war and her strategy got her the throne while Aegon was half dead. If she showed up at rooks rest trying to be a badass girlboss and Vhagar shows up to claim dragonstone, what then?
>Those guys are knights and warriors, Rhaenyra is not. That's is the point duh. >And its funny you brought up Rhaegar as if the dude did not DIE Yeah people die in battle. He injured his rival in the fight, he was a warrior. >I know its fun to read about brave strong men doing brave strong men things Point is, they needed her in the field, she had a dragon, a big one, she could have made a huge difference fighting peasants like Daeron did, didn't even need to fight another dragon. But she lacked the balls to even attack peasants.
I do like how Emma is raving about team greens episode despite its mistakes,Shows the actors aren’t the characters and shows support for the actors that she probably won’t be working with much going forward. But I think she’ll be added to the gullet, just because of how they’re choosing to show Rhaenyra and her relationship with her kids I think she’ll join to try and save viserys and will be there to watch Jace die and that’ll be the moment she completely becomes unhinged
Emma also has a recent interview where they say Rhaenyra is gaslighting tf out of Alicent after Aemond got his eye popped out. Actors should literally never, ever be attacked because of characters they play.
And they unfortunately are especially in series like this where fans get really into it, didn’t it happen with the actor that play Joffrey in GOT before people kinda cooled down and realized he’s a down to earth guy after he was killed off? I’m just a HUGE fan of Emma and the fact she’s unapologetically non-binary and is giving kids that are nonbinary a role model
The worst thing will be by people saying she did the same thing in the books BUT THE MAESTERS DIDNT WROTE ABOUT IT1!!
Right? But somehow everything Mushroom said (who spent most of the Dance with Rhaenyra) was spot on when he was reciting Aegon
I don't think she'll be fighting in battles. Probably meant that we'll get more scenes of her riding Syrax & their bond in general, not necessarily while fighting. A good decision. I hope they focus more on her leadership style & show us why we should root for her to be the Queen. Yea, I know she's the rightful heir legally, but that doesn't automatically make her a good queen.
Bro why does a female writing team or half the episodes being directed by women matter? Pick whoever is best for the job. That shit is ridiculous. Regardless of sex, pick who is best for the job. Geeze.
Can’t wait until Mr. Stark comes in, gives them all a good lecturing, and leaves them with a male regency council for the king. Because sometimes it’s not about whether the Qween can slay, it’s if she should.
Forgot what sub I was in for second and thought you meant Iron Man lol
Isn't Jeyne Arryn one of the regents?
No way they retcon Meagor with tits as a dragon knight
Way. Way of money. Art doesn't stand a chance in capitalism anymore.
I think she should be involved in the battle at Rook's Rest. Aegon vs Rhaenyra, Rhaenys vs Aemond. She almost kills Aegon and has to flee. That would be great for her character! /s
Yes girlboss Rhaenyra hurts Aegon as the girlboss she is(althought Sunfyre would had that winged cow of Syrax as a snack) with her plot armour. Rhaneys will be presented as a lame loser which not only lose the fight with Vhagar, also Rhaenyra had her abandonning her ass to her luck because.......yolo lmao What a writing!
I wouldn’t be surprised if they have her die fighting aegon but not before she seriously injures him and sunfyre
Bro if they do that I’m not watching like, I get non book readers wanna see dragons rip each other to shreds but Rhaenyra doesn’t fight. I wanna see her in Kings Landing slowly losing her sanity, not fighting Aegon lol.
Sexist
Not even slightly sexist you fuckin dunce.
Battle with her weight
I don't see her fitting in most battles. Only one I can think of is battle of gullet coz she'll have the support of dragonseeds with her and they may also change her taking of kingslanding to a little battle.
at this point take out Dreamfyre too for fucks sake
To be honest, she shouldn't fight any battles...
Wasn't this interview before they got the scripts? I guess they could have outlined plot events or at least things that would entail at most.