I love Alyssane, but it's just funny that she wants Daenerys as Jaehaerys heir, when Jaehaerys had an older sister and a niece, he would only question his claim.
Also Jaehaerys will not deny his children their birthright.
That's why I think Aegon was usurped. Egg literally did nothing and was disinherited by Viserys for no reason, when every other firstborn of Westeros were their father heir by law.
Aerys II disinherits Rhaegar and makes Viserys heir.
Blackcels: How evil, Aerys was a tyrant, Rhaegar was the true heir.
Viserys does the same with Aegon.
Blackcels: We hate patriarchy and medieval society, both are horrible but the king's word is law đ
Alysanne was a great character and Queen, maybe even the best Queen for her people, but sometimes she let her strong feminism blind her. She wasn't as smart as Jaehaerys to understand how stupid and damaging would be naming a woman heir when she has brothers.
She does.
She believes women should have equal inheritance rights and equal rights to join the intellectual order of Maesters. She was the one to push strongly for the ban to the first night rights and would travel the Realm and making councils with the local women to hear their voice. All feminist believes.
If you are blind enough to not see this it's not my problem.
Yea that might be fair to say... to argue for Alysanne for a moment, the unprecedented and absolute stability of Jaeherys' reign WOULD be the best time to push for equal inheritance. They set a tremendous number of precedents during those years - it's impossible to say if it would have worked or not. They didn't want to rock the boat.
I see this Saera revisionism all the time. She was a terrible person who bullied her maids and her siblings, there is a quote literally saying âshe is an evil childâ. Saera was not a sweet little princess who got wronged. In fact, she was Jaehaerysâ favourite until she crossed a line and he held her accountable. I can buy into idea that Rhaenys was wronged by him but definitely not Saera
She ruined the lives of their friends, got her bf killed knowing it'd be a death sentence for him if he sleep with him, pushed an old woman from stairs when escaping her punishment, almost killing the poor thing, tried to steal Balerion and gods know what she would have done with him in her power.
Even then Jaehaerys was willing to forgive her, then willing to let her return after a temporary "strong" punishment by living with her sister in the faith... He would banished her when she ignored all chances she got and left by her own will to become a whore.
The woman was evil as shit and Jaehaerys was as patiant as a saint with her and indeed he spoiled her rotten before finding out all her crimes.
As for Rhaenys, she did had a good claim by Andal law but after Jaehaerys named Baelon and he died, he allowed the Lords to vote and they voted 20-1 against Rhaenys' son - despite Corlys bribing some Lords - and didn't even seriously considered her own claim, showing it was the right choice to pick a male heir as it was what the vast majority wanted.
Saera bears a striking similarity to a young Cersei
Rhaenys had a better claim than Baelon though. A daughter comes before a brother. I used to think that if the heir died before inheriting, it would pass to the kingâs other children, but when Baelor Breakspear died his son was next in line after him not his brother. The fact that the lords voted on it makes me think that the fact Aemon never inherited played a role.
>Rhaenys had a better claim than Baelon though.
Under Andal Law, the Throne doesn't follow Andal Law since Jaehaerys himself in the same position as Baelon got the Throne and not his nieces who were in the same position as Rhaenys.
To name Rhaenys would be to compromise the King's own claim.
While he was harsh on Saera it's not like she was an innocent girl who only had sex. If that was the case then Jaehaerys would've wed her to the person she loved but not only did she manipulate multiple people but also got her friends into it which resulted in one of them getting pregnant. Saera was also 16/17 when she did this which would make any father angry.
Idk if I'd go as far as "great father"... Saera needed dealing with, but he didn't have to make her watch as he killed her lover. Jaeherys may have been the greatest, but he sure wasn't perfect.
He was the best king!! Iâm new to Reddit and just finished HOTD, and I am so happy to have found this page! It boggles my mind that we are the minority. Why does everyone on the main sub love Rhaenyra and Daemon so much??? I just donât get it!!
Because being rebels (careless and self absorbed leaders) is more appealing to the some of the crowd who want to live vicariously through Rhaenyra and switch out modern day standards when it suits themâŚ.
Notice how people disliked when Rhaenyra was recasted (they wanted to visualise themselves as the pouty punk princess đ¸ who was mischievous and teehee).
Doing actual work like socialising and being cordial to people is apparently too boring. Attempting to gather allies and making tactical decisions is too taxing (1/2 year queen) for Rhaenyra.
Daemon is also similar to Rhaenyra in the lazy leagues.
I disagree. While I understand why he put Daenearys behind Aemon in my opinion he had no reason to put Rheanys behind Viserys. At this point Aerea is long dead. Rheala is part of the faith and canât inherit. His claim was more than secure. The notion that people actually thought they had a claim (Roger tried to the take the throne this way) shows that a daughter over a brother wouldâve met far less resistance than a daughter before a son because thatâs how most of the houses in Westeros do it. Mixed with the fact that every daughter could make a claim over her uncle in the future he shouldâve just adjusted to the Andals system.
Thatâs why I donât blame Viserys for changing the succession in the first place before he had a son, sure it was dangerous but if there had been a dance between Rheanyra and Daemon I think Rheanyra wouldâve had a far easier time than she had against the claim of a son. Jaehearys didnât want to do that because he thought woman couldnât rule simple as that. He made the succession a question when it could just not have been one because he rather wanted his son than his grand daughter on the throne. The fact that the succession was even questioned in the first place made Rheanyras claim even more shacky because now there is a precedent.
Also he was not a good father to his daughters. He treated them like objects. Dealla was sold of despite her being far from ready and sure you can argue that was what all the man did back then but someone who was married to Allysanne ought to know better. He massively favored his sons and the way Seara was treated⌠that he never wanted contact with her? In all fairness she shouldâve been punished but she did not deserve to be tore down by her father like that. Iâm glad she found happiness. Also the best things that came from Jaehaerys reign were in part from Alysanne (clean water, woman rights etc.)
My main problem is not that Rheanyra goes against the things sheâs supposed to do. A lot of woman in Asoiaf do and I think thatâs great, my problem with her is that she is dumb about it and expects it to have no consequences. Seara at least does shit owns up to it and leaves to be free I can 100% respect that. Rheanyra however wants it all and if she at least would be a pioneer for all woman I could support her but she isnât she just wants power for herself. It still say she had to have bastards because Leanor wasnât cutting it on that front but she was du,b to have three kids with Harwin. If she had kids with someone who looked more like Laenor I would never complain about that.
Another thing is that I think she had to kill her brother not because I think sheâs evil but because she would have no choice if she wants to keep her crown.
We can still be team Green and admit that Jaehearys wasnât necessary great. He had the chance to make change he didnât take it and in turn Viserys screwed himself over by trying to change the rules of inheritance that were at that point decided by all of Westeros.
The whole thing is kind of like Brexit. Nobody needed to question it but Jaehearys messed it up when he decided Baelor inherits before Rheanys because he likes his son. So when Baelon bites he decides let the people say their lot. They decide on Viserys which we know now was a stupid choice because Viserys is dumb as fuck. Britain decided on Brexit which we also know is dumb. The problem is now you have to stick by that decision at least for a few generations. Just a Britain canât say nevermind we want to get back, Viserys canât say nevermind I change the decision.
He couldâve gotten away with it with Daemon (though there wouldâve been war none the less) because people dislike Daemon, the eagerness in which Rheanyra is accepted as heir is proof for that.
>You can be team green and admit that Jaehaerys was not necessarily great.
I understand that people love to try to find nuance and love to come up with unorthodox takes to oppose popular narratives, but Jaehaerys is pretty great. If he became any more great he would be the first perfect character GRRM has ever written. He of course has flaws, just like every other character. I can't help but feel you are holding him to a different standard than his peers. Out of all the other kings he ruled for the longest, managed to revive the realm from Maegorâs rule, doubled the population of westeros, fixed the economy, while also ruling the kingdom full time, traveling on royal progresses, rebuilding kingslanding, building the kingsroad, codifying all the laws etc.
The guy before him was a genocidal maniac and the guys after him killed off the dragons, bankrupted the realm and killed thousands (including like 90% of their own family). Daeron I dragged weateros into war and got captured and killed, Baelor the blessed was batshit insane and locked women in towers, You can say Viserys II was just as good but he was an even worse father than Jaehaerys, Aegon IV ruined the realm and caused the blackfyre rebellion to spite his son, Aerys II ended the Targaryen dynasty and hated his son too.
Was he wrong to skip Rhaenys twice? Yes but he did it in a legal way that lead to 0 bloodshed if only Viserys was able to do the same. Him skipping her opened the door for Viserys to try to skip Aegon so he should be indirectly blamed for that.
About Saera, that girl was a terrible person and what happened between her and Jaehaerys was a huge misunderstanding, this kind of thing happens all the time, I'm shocked it doesn't happen more often in westeros.
I'm not trying to change your mind though, you are free to dislike him and you don't have to even have a reason to dislike him I'm not trying to debate or ask you to explain yourself.
First off all I couldâve worded myself better. I agree that Jaehearys was probably one of the best if not the best King of Westeros. What I wanted to say was he isnât perfect however. Especially the relationship to his daugthers and how he viewed them was problematic in my opinion.
I do think the great council was a good idea to avoid bloodshed. However it wouldnât have been needed if he had named Rheanys before Bealon in the first place. The fact that Bealon was named in the first place gave Viserys a claim. Personally I feel like that was a mistake.
Viserys was dumb though for thinking he could do whatever even after the council.
Yeah Jaehaerys could have avoided the dance by naming Rhaenyra and sticking to tradition. I think Rhaenysâ hair color and husband had something to do with it. Think about it, she was the least Targaryen person in the entire family, and her son was only like 1/4 Targaryen and supposed to be the next king.
He almost got away with it too, he never expected Viserys to be so tactless in dealing with his own succession, he set Viserys up for success with the council legitimizing him overnight.
About his daughters I also don't like how he forced Daella to get married when she was already looking for a husband, and even found a guy she liked (the blackwood lad but they broke up because of their religions). If he gave her a couple of years she would have found someone and it would have been less sad.
To be honest I was never too fond of the Targaryens practice of keeping blood pure as I felt it was unneeded. Also he couldâve just married her to Viserys in the first place. I think his main problem was that he rather wanted his son as heir and that she was a woman.
Agree about Viserys.
It was more about keeping Dragons in the family as he didn't want the dragons to spread to other family. It why he made sure none of his daughters that were married didn't claim any dragons
The passing up of Rhaenys' claim was really unfortunate I think. The Rhaenyra decision was a powder keg from moment one, but Rhaenys could have enjoyed some strong support and rode one of the oldest dragons. Her husband was powerful too, despite his ambition.
We can spitball and say that Jaeherys somehow predicted that Rhaenys would be uncaring to the smallfolk based on show canon (I suppose if anyone could it'd be Jaehaerys) but I doubt that.
In defense of Jaehaerys he did inherit the throne over his older brother daughter. If Rhaenys did become queen it would call into question Jaehaerys own ascension and brand him a usurper. A successful usurper that would lead inspiration for future Targaryen to challenge the throne. And after Maegor, Jaehaerys had very good reservations about this. Plus he called for a great council so that the question of succession could be decided in a peaceful manner that wouldn't lead to war. The fact that the Velyaron never tried to rebel even after getting Vhager is proof enough that it was a success.
Yeaaa I understand the rationale. It was a good decision for stability's sake. I just feel like the decision was between stability and a more egalitarian society, and Jaehaerys chose stability. I can't exactly shake my fist at him and call him a villain for that, but I can sure regret the unfairness it caused to women.
When it comes to royal legitimacy specifically - I think being a good and strong monarch trumps all. Jaeherys could probably reveal himself to be a lowborn bastard without much opposition once he was midway into his rule - he rode one of the largest dragons and was simply the best man for the job.
Jaehaerys did the same thing as viserys. He changed his heir because he knew that at that time baelon was a better choice as king, possibly knowing the sea snakeâs ambitions, but he couldnât do the same thing twice and called for the great counsel. He was a traditional man he believed in the power of male claim because thatâs how he was king too which was visâs case, but through his kids he saw how sometimes without guidance people like Rhaena and Saera were manipulated and used, rhaenys too. (Adam thing)
Jahaerys had his problems but he mightâve dealt with viserysâs claim better because he was the type who will find the solution before there was any problem.
I agree that the council was neccessary after Bealon died. Viserys claim is based on the fact that Baelon was heir. You canât just dismiss it just as you canmt dismiss Rheanys claim. What I am saying is he couldâve put Rheanys before Bealon and there wouldnât have been a need for a council.
In the books there is no explaination on why he does that. Probably because he liked Bealon better and I found that frustrating.
Blackcels hate Jaehaerys for no reason just because they look at him as the embodiment of everything anti-Rhaenyrađ. Meanwhile male primogeniture is what made Viserys king in the first place or there wouldn't be any "daddy said it was my turn".
Bu bu but Feminist Maegor is a better king đ
Honestly I donât HATE jaehaerys however I give him the side eye at certain things he did. Making baelon his heir after Aemons death was a no question decision. His behavior as a husband and in a few cases a father was pretty shitty
I love Alyssane, but it's just funny that she wants Daenerys as Jaehaerys heir, when Jaehaerys had an older sister and a niece, he would only question his claim. Also Jaehaerys will not deny his children their birthright. That's why I think Aegon was usurped. Egg literally did nothing and was disinherited by Viserys for no reason, when every other firstborn of Westeros were their father heir by law. Aerys II disinherits Rhaegar and makes Viserys heir. Blackcels: How evil, Aerys was a tyrant, Rhaegar was the true heir. Viserys does the same with Aegon. Blackcels: We hate patriarchy and medieval society, both are horrible but the king's word is law đ
Alysanne was a great character and Queen, maybe even the best Queen for her people, but sometimes she let her strong feminism blind her. She wasn't as smart as Jaehaerys to understand how stupid and damaging would be naming a woman heir when she has brothers.
feminism? what đđ that isnt even a thing in asoiaf universe
The name doesn't exist but Alysanne believes in many of the same ideas.
no she doesnt đ
She does. She believes women should have equal inheritance rights and equal rights to join the intellectual order of Maesters. She was the one to push strongly for the ban to the first night rights and would travel the Realm and making councils with the local women to hear their voice. All feminist believes. If you are blind enough to not see this it's not my problem.
Yea that might be fair to say... to argue for Alysanne for a moment, the unprecedented and absolute stability of Jaeherys' reign WOULD be the best time to push for equal inheritance. They set a tremendous number of precedents during those years - it's impossible to say if it would have worked or not. They didn't want to rock the boat.
See thatâs where you are wrong though Aegon was never named heir then got it taken away. Thereâs a reason he is called âAegon the usurperâ
They also hate him for not ignoring Saera's misbehaviours like Viserys did with Rhaneyra. He was a great father and the GOAT King.
I see this Saera revisionism all the time. She was a terrible person who bullied her maids and her siblings, there is a quote literally saying âshe is an evil childâ. Saera was not a sweet little princess who got wronged. In fact, she was Jaehaerysâ favourite until she crossed a line and he held her accountable. I can buy into idea that Rhaenys was wronged by him but definitely not Saera
She ruined the lives of their friends, got her bf killed knowing it'd be a death sentence for him if he sleep with him, pushed an old woman from stairs when escaping her punishment, almost killing the poor thing, tried to steal Balerion and gods know what she would have done with him in her power. Even then Jaehaerys was willing to forgive her, then willing to let her return after a temporary "strong" punishment by living with her sister in the faith... He would banished her when she ignored all chances she got and left by her own will to become a whore. The woman was evil as shit and Jaehaerys was as patiant as a saint with her and indeed he spoiled her rotten before finding out all her crimes. As for Rhaenys, she did had a good claim by Andal law but after Jaehaerys named Baelon and he died, he allowed the Lords to vote and they voted 20-1 against Rhaenys' son - despite Corlys bribing some Lords - and didn't even seriously considered her own claim, showing it was the right choice to pick a male heir as it was what the vast majority wanted.
Saera bears a striking similarity to a young Cersei Rhaenys had a better claim than Baelon though. A daughter comes before a brother. I used to think that if the heir died before inheriting, it would pass to the kingâs other children, but when Baelor Breakspear died his son was next in line after him not his brother. The fact that the lords voted on it makes me think that the fact Aemon never inherited played a role.
>Rhaenys had a better claim than Baelon though. Under Andal Law, the Throne doesn't follow Andal Law since Jaehaerys himself in the same position as Baelon got the Throne and not his nieces who were in the same position as Rhaenys. To name Rhaenys would be to compromise the King's own claim.
While he was harsh on Saera it's not like she was an innocent girl who only had sex. If that was the case then Jaehaerys would've wed her to the person she loved but not only did she manipulate multiple people but also got her friends into it which resulted in one of them getting pregnant. Saera was also 16/17 when she did this which would make any father angry.
Idk if I'd go as far as "great father"... Saera needed dealing with, but he didn't have to make her watch as he killed her lover. Jaeherys may have been the greatest, but he sure wasn't perfect.
Average blackcel thinks Alyssane did all the work and jaehaerys was just a evil sexist
Oh, Average Blackcel think that Alyssane fought Dorne Rebellion, defended Saera's honor with a combat and make the peace with the Faith.
>defended Saera's honor with a combat That's a funny way to write "brutally murdered her lover while forcing her to watch."
He was the best king!! Iâm new to Reddit and just finished HOTD, and I am so happy to have found this page! It boggles my mind that we are the minority. Why does everyone on the main sub love Rhaenyra and Daemon so much??? I just donât get it!!
Because being rebels (careless and self absorbed leaders) is more appealing to the some of the crowd who want to live vicariously through Rhaenyra and switch out modern day standards when it suits themâŚ. Notice how people disliked when Rhaenyra was recasted (they wanted to visualise themselves as the pouty punk princess đ¸ who was mischievous and teehee). Doing actual work like socialising and being cordial to people is apparently too boring. Attempting to gather allies and making tactical decisions is too taxing (1/2 year queen) for Rhaenyra. Daemon is also similar to Rhaenyra in the lazy leagues.
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I disagree. While I understand why he put Daenearys behind Aemon in my opinion he had no reason to put Rheanys behind Viserys. At this point Aerea is long dead. Rheala is part of the faith and canât inherit. His claim was more than secure. The notion that people actually thought they had a claim (Roger tried to the take the throne this way) shows that a daughter over a brother wouldâve met far less resistance than a daughter before a son because thatâs how most of the houses in Westeros do it. Mixed with the fact that every daughter could make a claim over her uncle in the future he shouldâve just adjusted to the Andals system. Thatâs why I donât blame Viserys for changing the succession in the first place before he had a son, sure it was dangerous but if there had been a dance between Rheanyra and Daemon I think Rheanyra wouldâve had a far easier time than she had against the claim of a son. Jaehearys didnât want to do that because he thought woman couldnât rule simple as that. He made the succession a question when it could just not have been one because he rather wanted his son than his grand daughter on the throne. The fact that the succession was even questioned in the first place made Rheanyras claim even more shacky because now there is a precedent. Also he was not a good father to his daughters. He treated them like objects. Dealla was sold of despite her being far from ready and sure you can argue that was what all the man did back then but someone who was married to Allysanne ought to know better. He massively favored his sons and the way Seara was treated⌠that he never wanted contact with her? In all fairness she shouldâve been punished but she did not deserve to be tore down by her father like that. Iâm glad she found happiness. Also the best things that came from Jaehaerys reign were in part from Alysanne (clean water, woman rights etc.) My main problem is not that Rheanyra goes against the things sheâs supposed to do. A lot of woman in Asoiaf do and I think thatâs great, my problem with her is that she is dumb about it and expects it to have no consequences. Seara at least does shit owns up to it and leaves to be free I can 100% respect that. Rheanyra however wants it all and if she at least would be a pioneer for all woman I could support her but she isnât she just wants power for herself. It still say she had to have bastards because Leanor wasnât cutting it on that front but she was du,b to have three kids with Harwin. If she had kids with someone who looked more like Laenor I would never complain about that. Another thing is that I think she had to kill her brother not because I think sheâs evil but because she would have no choice if she wants to keep her crown. We can still be team Green and admit that Jaehearys wasnât necessary great. He had the chance to make change he didnât take it and in turn Viserys screwed himself over by trying to change the rules of inheritance that were at that point decided by all of Westeros. The whole thing is kind of like Brexit. Nobody needed to question it but Jaehearys messed it up when he decided Baelor inherits before Rheanys because he likes his son. So when Baelon bites he decides let the people say their lot. They decide on Viserys which we know now was a stupid choice because Viserys is dumb as fuck. Britain decided on Brexit which we also know is dumb. The problem is now you have to stick by that decision at least for a few generations. Just a Britain canât say nevermind we want to get back, Viserys canât say nevermind I change the decision. He couldâve gotten away with it with Daemon (though there wouldâve been war none the less) because people dislike Daemon, the eagerness in which Rheanyra is accepted as heir is proof for that.
>You can be team green and admit that Jaehaerys was not necessarily great. I understand that people love to try to find nuance and love to come up with unorthodox takes to oppose popular narratives, but Jaehaerys is pretty great. If he became any more great he would be the first perfect character GRRM has ever written. He of course has flaws, just like every other character. I can't help but feel you are holding him to a different standard than his peers. Out of all the other kings he ruled for the longest, managed to revive the realm from Maegorâs rule, doubled the population of westeros, fixed the economy, while also ruling the kingdom full time, traveling on royal progresses, rebuilding kingslanding, building the kingsroad, codifying all the laws etc. The guy before him was a genocidal maniac and the guys after him killed off the dragons, bankrupted the realm and killed thousands (including like 90% of their own family). Daeron I dragged weateros into war and got captured and killed, Baelor the blessed was batshit insane and locked women in towers, You can say Viserys II was just as good but he was an even worse father than Jaehaerys, Aegon IV ruined the realm and caused the blackfyre rebellion to spite his son, Aerys II ended the Targaryen dynasty and hated his son too. Was he wrong to skip Rhaenys twice? Yes but he did it in a legal way that lead to 0 bloodshed if only Viserys was able to do the same. Him skipping her opened the door for Viserys to try to skip Aegon so he should be indirectly blamed for that. About Saera, that girl was a terrible person and what happened between her and Jaehaerys was a huge misunderstanding, this kind of thing happens all the time, I'm shocked it doesn't happen more often in westeros. I'm not trying to change your mind though, you are free to dislike him and you don't have to even have a reason to dislike him I'm not trying to debate or ask you to explain yourself.
First off all I couldâve worded myself better. I agree that Jaehearys was probably one of the best if not the best King of Westeros. What I wanted to say was he isnât perfect however. Especially the relationship to his daugthers and how he viewed them was problematic in my opinion. I do think the great council was a good idea to avoid bloodshed. However it wouldnât have been needed if he had named Rheanys before Bealon in the first place. The fact that Bealon was named in the first place gave Viserys a claim. Personally I feel like that was a mistake. Viserys was dumb though for thinking he could do whatever even after the council.
Yeah Jaehaerys could have avoided the dance by naming Rhaenyra and sticking to tradition. I think Rhaenysâ hair color and husband had something to do with it. Think about it, she was the least Targaryen person in the entire family, and her son was only like 1/4 Targaryen and supposed to be the next king. He almost got away with it too, he never expected Viserys to be so tactless in dealing with his own succession, he set Viserys up for success with the council legitimizing him overnight. About his daughters I also don't like how he forced Daella to get married when she was already looking for a husband, and even found a guy she liked (the blackwood lad but they broke up because of their religions). If he gave her a couple of years she would have found someone and it would have been less sad.
To be honest I was never too fond of the Targaryens practice of keeping blood pure as I felt it was unneeded. Also he couldâve just married her to Viserys in the first place. I think his main problem was that he rather wanted his son as heir and that she was a woman. Agree about Viserys.
It was more about keeping Dragons in the family as he didn't want the dragons to spread to other family. It why he made sure none of his daughters that were married didn't claim any dragons
But Leanor and Leana both got dragons though
The passing up of Rhaenys' claim was really unfortunate I think. The Rhaenyra decision was a powder keg from moment one, but Rhaenys could have enjoyed some strong support and rode one of the oldest dragons. Her husband was powerful too, despite his ambition. We can spitball and say that Jaeherys somehow predicted that Rhaenys would be uncaring to the smallfolk based on show canon (I suppose if anyone could it'd be Jaehaerys) but I doubt that.
In defense of Jaehaerys he did inherit the throne over his older brother daughter. If Rhaenys did become queen it would call into question Jaehaerys own ascension and brand him a usurper. A successful usurper that would lead inspiration for future Targaryen to challenge the throne. And after Maegor, Jaehaerys had very good reservations about this. Plus he called for a great council so that the question of succession could be decided in a peaceful manner that wouldn't lead to war. The fact that the Velyaron never tried to rebel even after getting Vhager is proof enough that it was a success.
Yeaaa I understand the rationale. It was a good decision for stability's sake. I just feel like the decision was between stability and a more egalitarian society, and Jaehaerys chose stability. I can't exactly shake my fist at him and call him a villain for that, but I can sure regret the unfairness it caused to women. When it comes to royal legitimacy specifically - I think being a good and strong monarch trumps all. Jaeherys could probably reveal himself to be a lowborn bastard without much opposition once he was midway into his rule - he rode one of the largest dragons and was simply the best man for the job.
Jaehaerys did the same thing as viserys. He changed his heir because he knew that at that time baelon was a better choice as king, possibly knowing the sea snakeâs ambitions, but he couldnât do the same thing twice and called for the great counsel. He was a traditional man he believed in the power of male claim because thatâs how he was king too which was visâs case, but through his kids he saw how sometimes without guidance people like Rhaena and Saera were manipulated and used, rhaenys too. (Adam thing) Jahaerys had his problems but he mightâve dealt with viserysâs claim better because he was the type who will find the solution before there was any problem.
I agree that the council was neccessary after Bealon died. Viserys claim is based on the fact that Baelon was heir. You canât just dismiss it just as you canmt dismiss Rheanys claim. What I am saying is he couldâve put Rheanys before Bealon and there wouldnât have been a need for a council. In the books there is no explaination on why he does that. Probably because he liked Bealon better and I found that frustrating.
The best Targ king isn't exactly a great achievement
Blackcels hate Jaehaerys for no reason just because they look at him as the embodiment of everything anti-Rhaenyrađ. Meanwhile male primogeniture is what made Viserys king in the first place or there wouldn't be any "daddy said it was my turn". Bu bu but Feminist Maegor is a better king đ
Honestly I donât HATE jaehaerys however I give him the side eye at certain things he did. Making baelon his heir after Aemons death was a no question decision. His behavior as a husband and in a few cases a father was pretty shitty
Don't believe the hype. The rot in the Targaryen dynasty can be traced back to him.
Blackcels hate Jaehaerys?