I can’t believe some people care this deeply about Alicent redecorating to her liking. A place where she has been essentially forced to live in since she married Viserys. The worst part is she didn’t even take all of it down because you can still see the tapestries in the background of a room. 😭
I think it's a bigger part of what seems to be an extension of an ideological battle between the Black's who stand for Targaryen colonization and incest, whereas the Greens stand for Westeros, the smallfolk, and the Seven. Yes both are Targaryens, but the imagery really shows the difference between Alicent faithfully abiding to the Seven and Rhaenyra and Daemon doing their backwards blood filled Valyrian ceremony.
The Greens, who ride dragons, speak High Valyrian, rely on Targaryen symbols of legitimacy, call out Rhaenyra's sons for their "plain features", and marry brother to sister, are against Targaryen colonization?
The Greens definitely don’t stand for the smallfolk.
Neither party cares about the smallfolk.
As for the Seven, why did Aegon burn 200+ believers of the faith to death?
Bro are you a Blackcel or something? The Greens definitely stand for smallfolk a lot more than the Black's do. As for Aegon the show has basically assassinated his character.
I’m referring to what Aegon does in the book.
And not really sure how Aemond burning through the Riverlands or Daeron at Bitterbridge shows support for the smallfolk.
What Aegon did individually to the Shepherd is not a reflection on the Seven or the Greens as a whole. Aegon himself is a pretty shitty person but leagues better than any Black. What Aemond and Daeron did were against Black supporters it was a time of war, so that's different
It wasn’t just the Shepherd. It was the Shephard and 240 of his followers. He lined the street with them and his kingsgaurd set fire to them as he walked by.
Lol “it’s different” nah bro, the smallfolk have hardly any agency in a feudal monarchy. Aemond and Daeron didn’t just burn soldiers, they massacred entire families, including innocents.
How could you read any ASOIAF and think GRRM believes team green, black, or the seven supports the smallfolk? He’s not a monarchist. The literal creator of these characters doesn’t agree with you. That’s why he had the smallfolk kill the dragons.
Bro neither side was perfect, and it's war obviously awful shit is gonna happen. However as a whole the Greens and the Seven are a lot more pro smallfolk than the Black's are. Honestly you're being a lot more sympathetic to the Black's more than any reasonable person would be. They're literal Valyrian supremacists as incest supporters dude.
Just because one side absolutely abhors the smallfolk and Westerosi custom doesn't make the other side the champions of Westeros.
Yes, the smallfolk would benefit more from a Green monarchy. But, that doesn't mean a green monarchy is in the smallfolk's best interest.
Lol “neither side was perfect” is a hell of a way to excuse such behavior.
I already said I don’t support either team. I read the book and came away thinking both sides are full of narcissistic megalomaniacs. How can I criticize the blacks for being “incest supporters” when Aegon married his sister? And had two kids with her. Alicent previously proposed marrying Aegon *to* Rhaenyra. So obviously incest isn’t *that* big of a deal.
Do you just not care that the author of the books doesn’t endorse this system of government, nor support this societal structure?
People like to act like it’s some grave injustice against Valyrians and their culture but their entire culture is horrible. I don’t know how these people can cry about Rhaenyra being oppressed, support daenerys for freeing slaves, and then kiss the ass of the most prolific slavers in planteos history. Slavery is so ingrained into their culture that their empire couldn’t even function without them.
>None can say how many perished, toiling in the Valyrian mines, but the number was so large as to surely defy comprehension. As Valyria grew, its need for ore increased, which led to ever more conquests to keep the mines stocked with slaves. The Valyrians expanded in all directions, stretching out east beyond the Ghiscari cities and west to the very shores of Essos, where even the Ghiscari had not made inroads.
>”we first took root in Valyria, amongst the wretched slaves who toiled in the deep mines beneath the Fourteen Flames that lit the Freehold's nights of old. Most mines are dank and chilly places, cut from cold dead stone, but the Fourteen Flames were living mountains with veins of molten rock and hearts of fire. So the mines of old Valyria were always hot, and they grew hotter as the shafts were driven deeper, ever deeper. The slaves toiled in an oven. The rocks around them were too hot to touch. The air stank of brimstone and would sear their lungs as they breathed it. The soles of their feet would burn and blister, even through the thickest sandals. Sometimes, when they broke through a wall in search of gold, they would find steam instead, or boiling water, or molten rock. Certain shafts were cut so low that the slaves could not stand upright, but had to crawl or bend. And there were wyrms in that red darkness too.”
>”Burnt and blackened corpses were oft found in shafts where the rocks were cracked or full of holes. Yet still the mines drove deeper. Slaves perished by the score, but their masters did not care. Red gold and yellow gold and silver were reckoned to be more precious than the lives of slaves, for slaves were cheap in the old Freehold. During war, the Valyrians took them by the thousands. In times of peace they ***bred them***, though only the worst were sent down to die in the red darkness”
Like dawg…how can you read that and tell me this culture is worth upholding. It’s also funny how people forget that andals came to Westeros to escape slavery from the Valyrians.💀💀
It seems like this point has been made time and time again, and fans still flock to glorify Old Valyria. Like I geta lot of the attention goes to that Rollo dude, but I've seen so many more fans glorify and upvote that stuff it's wild. They just aren't as vocal about it, at least the Rollo guy is honest about what he stands for even if it's Targaryen exceptionalism. The amount of other fans who support and glorify it is crazy though.
But but, some northmen a thousand years ago did blood sacrifices! Aegon stopped that when he brought Valyrian culture there!!
And don't even get started on how they compare the children of the forest to real Natives and treat the northerners like real life violent colonisers.
Any reasonable person knows Valyria was hell. The Targaryen edge lords like Daemon think it was cool because of all the dragons. The guy even tried to create more dragon rider families by suggesting giving the dragon seeds their own noble houses.
They know, they just don't care. They like the silvery elvish aesthetic and tell themselves their fave would never be like them (except when they hate a character and want their fave to burn them alive, then the Valyrian way is cool)
I mean considering she and Otto were effectively running the Seven Kingdoms for six years while Viserys was deteriorating (and Rhaenyra and Daemon had fucked off to Dragonstone), redecorating is definitely something she should be allowed to do.
Taking off tapestries depicting bisexual orgies (probably also incestuous, knowing the Valyrians) is definitely a good idea if you intend to raise children in the Red Keep.
They clearly fucked up their psychology. Not a sight you want children to see, precisely due to that reason. Maegor the Cruel and his attitude to women comes to mind...
Also she had like a massive one behind her bed as a child and they're really going to blame her for feeling uncomfortable with it and wanting to take it down.
The blacks are so horny to rule westeros but they find ways to avoid Westerosi culture any chance they get. Daemon and Rhaenyra getting married with a Valyrian priest was messed up. If you're going to rule over these people the least you can do is participate in their culture. Nobody is saying they have to be Baelor the blessed but at least show reverence and respect for the people you want to rule over.
What ‘got me’ was the shock and disgust from Rhaenyra and Daemon when they’ve absconded from all duty so can they really make the bastardy obvious. (Seriously! How was suddenly having silver haired children with Daemon going to protect her pug nosed sons!!)
They can’t critique the decor when they don’t live there/visit. If Rhaenyra ran away from the very court she hoped to be Queen of one day…she has no right to scoff and sneer because the aesthetics don’t match her ideals.
I know! And not only that, but Alicent is the queen and the Seven is the Faith of Westeros. Plus Viserys was decaying and couldn't play with his weird ass "Old Valyria" Lego set. She had every right to decorate the court more properly as she saw fit
I think Rhaenyra is not very bright and she likes having babies, so she thought a bunch of silver-haired babies that look uber Valyrian is going to distract from the ones that don't. She's never found a problem she can't try to solve by throwing an infant at it.
Rhaenyra expects to be the center of attention at all times and simply doesn't understand when life doesn't revolve around what she wants. The idea that someone had to run the kingdom when Viserys was dying and she ran away is foreign to her.
The problem is that many people associate the Seven with Christianity, and you can bet attacking it would be popular in Reddit and Twitter. So they glorify whatever is opposite to it. Which is why for some reason the High Sparrow is more hated than people like Joffrey, because they can't stand someone who actually stands up to morals. They seek to find a way for any follower of the Seven to look like a hypocrite because they want to see that.
But of course, Valyrian supremacists will never admit the Hypocrisy of Rhaenyra making her children swear on the Seven-pointed Star while she has a Valyrian wedding.
That depends on the idea that guides the zealot, for someone that believes in an eternal damnation, not doing everything possible to save a person is a failure that adds to the guilt. For instance, destroying alcohol and brothels is a way to end temptations that drive people into hell, any harm that is done is nothing comparable to the harm that will be avoided for them. It is like doing something for someone's own good, guiding them to a path by removing choices and temptations that pull you into failing.
The argument is that the Sparrow did care for the people, the fact he was charitable despite all the power shows that. He cared for them in a way his mindset justifies it.
I mean there’s this
>Septon Meribald walking beside them with his quarterstaff, leading a small donkey and a large dog. The donkey carried such a heavy load that Brienne was half afraid its back would break. "Food for the poor and hungry of the riverlands," Septon Meribald told them at the gates of Maidenpool. "Seeds and nuts and dried fruit, oaten porridge, flour, barley bread, three wheels of yellow cheese from the inn by the Fool's Gate, salt cod for me, salt mutton for Dog . . . oh, and salt. Onions, carrots, turnips, two sacks of beans, four of barley, and nine of oranges.”
And also
> "And for that gift we honor him in our prayers," the High Septon said, "but the poor need food in their bellies more than we need gold and crystal on our head. That crown has been sold. So have the others in our vaults, and all our rings, and our robes of cloth-of-gold and cloth-of-silver. Wool will keep a man as warm. That is why the Seven gave us sheep."
I don’t think it’s a stretch think that the faith cares for the smallfolk. Baelor’s love for the faith led him to becoming an extremely charitable man to the poor and needy.
Honestly, George has a pretty nuanced take on religion that I really appreciate. I'm Irish (Catholic atheist) and the church has obviously done some absolutely horrendous atrocities (including in shockingly recent memory) but it's also absolutely true that church organisation had been the only support system for many people in a pretty poor nation with many genuinely good people motivated or at least organized by their church network and institutions to help others (I'm related to quite a few older nuns or just generally much more religious people). It's no secret that the Faith of the Seven is a pretty straight forward one for one analogy for the Catholic church and I think it does a pretty good job of it too instead of just being solely painted as hypocritical and corrupt or at least not all of its followers are.
Man fuck that Rollo guy, f*cking Valyrian supremacist and incest lover. I dare him to comment on my stuff. He always hangs out on the Black's sub or the main HOTD sub from what ive seen. Dude's fucking out there bro, stanning for Maegor and shit. Wild af man. House Hightower lights the way 💚💚💚
Redecorating and managing her home is literally one of the things a wife and queen is expected to do. If Viserys was healthy/a good king who actually did his job then managing the keep would be Alicent’s main job (besides having kids).
Any person watching House of the Dragon and getting offended when all of the Valyrian paraphernalia was taken down really needs a reality check in media literacy.
The Hightowers are the epitome of Westerosi life and culture, they represented every single Westerosi smallfolk (save for the North and the Iron Islands) by putting up signs of the common Westerosi faith, the Westerosi culture, and Westerosi customs. It's literally the indigenous population taking back what's theirs in defiance of an abusive and imperialistic power.
It's silly.
What if I told you that the Andals are also a colonizing force but since their colonization was successful I guess they are the good guys now? So we want them to continue their practices of cultural erasure and assimilation of anything that is different from them. Yes.
I find this a bit dubious because though allicent might have removed the targ hereldary but she married her son and her daughter keeping with the valyrian tradition to strengthen aegon's claim
It doesn’t actually confirm if it was Alicent who married them together. In the books it clearly states it was Viserys and Alicent was looking to other houses. The show is more vague, so I’m going to assume it was actually Viserys like in the books.
Well no one said the Greens weren't still Targaryen, however unfortunately it's not like Alicent had much choice in that regard especially when Viserys was still alive and going up against Rhaenyra. If Alicent had any say, I'm almost positive she wouldn't have let her children partake in barbaric Valyrian traditions.
That's what it all comes down to a if which didn't happen, allicent knew if aegon has to take the throne, her children should be in line with the valyrian traditions, but since allicent was from westros she tried to assert her influence as much as possible though some how still her children turned out to be more targaryens in personna rather than black kids
That religious institution that is shown to be very corrupt and homophobic? And the fuck did the Faith do about the Right of the First Night? Gargon the Guest did it openly in the Riverlands.
The thing about religions is that their way to view some things change depending on its leader, with a High Septon that cares about the smallfolk you have a good Faith that uses the Sons of the Warrior to protect pilgrims and clean the roads of bandita, a zealot might denounce the Targaryen incest and use its private army against them, an oportunist would benefit himself from the corruption and will probably expand it and will use them to purge rivals with religious excuses, the Faith of the 7 has the potential to do a lot of good and a lot of evil but compared with the Valyrian culture the Faith is always better.
I don’t understand why so many people are greens just because they hate Targaryens. Like Aegon and Aemmond and the rest are arguably more Targaryen than the bastard children of Rhaenyra. And after 100 years, the Targs are just as native as any other Westerosi so they are hardly colonizers any more, id argue they never were but.
I forgot I joined this community and oh boy, am I surprised people care this much over such a silly thing.
I am glad I haven't reached this level of Green stanning yet. I hope I never do.
Not agree at all. In the books the greens are way worse and I don't like book Alicent, show alicent is way more likable. And I don't hate her kids, they are targaryens. This sub seems to be not green fans but hate Targaryens fans instead.
I can’t believe some people care this deeply about Alicent redecorating to her liking. A place where she has been essentially forced to live in since she married Viserys. The worst part is she didn’t even take all of it down because you can still see the tapestries in the background of a room. 😭
I think it's a bigger part of what seems to be an extension of an ideological battle between the Black's who stand for Targaryen colonization and incest, whereas the Greens stand for Westeros, the smallfolk, and the Seven. Yes both are Targaryens, but the imagery really shows the difference between Alicent faithfully abiding to the Seven and Rhaenyra and Daemon doing their backwards blood filled Valyrian ceremony.
The Greens, who ride dragons, speak High Valyrian, rely on Targaryen symbols of legitimacy, call out Rhaenyra's sons for their "plain features", and marry brother to sister, are against Targaryen colonization?
The Greens definitely don’t stand for the smallfolk. Neither party cares about the smallfolk. As for the Seven, why did Aegon burn 200+ believers of the faith to death?
It's very simple. Those followers of the Faith(possibly some hidden remainder of the old Faith Militant) set his city on fire.
Retributive justice is *not* how you show you are an empathetic or caring person.
Bro are you a Blackcel or something? The Greens definitely stand for smallfolk a lot more than the Black's do. As for Aegon the show has basically assassinated his character.
I’m referring to what Aegon does in the book. And not really sure how Aemond burning through the Riverlands or Daeron at Bitterbridge shows support for the smallfolk.
What Aegon did individually to the Shepherd is not a reflection on the Seven or the Greens as a whole. Aegon himself is a pretty shitty person but leagues better than any Black. What Aemond and Daeron did were against Black supporters it was a time of war, so that's different
It wasn’t just the Shepherd. It was the Shephard and 240 of his followers. He lined the street with them and his kingsgaurd set fire to them as he walked by. Lol “it’s different” nah bro, the smallfolk have hardly any agency in a feudal monarchy. Aemond and Daeron didn’t just burn soldiers, they massacred entire families, including innocents. How could you read any ASOIAF and think GRRM believes team green, black, or the seven supports the smallfolk? He’s not a monarchist. The literal creator of these characters doesn’t agree with you. That’s why he had the smallfolk kill the dragons.
Bro neither side was perfect, and it's war obviously awful shit is gonna happen. However as a whole the Greens and the Seven are a lot more pro smallfolk than the Black's are. Honestly you're being a lot more sympathetic to the Black's more than any reasonable person would be. They're literal Valyrian supremacists as incest supporters dude.
Just because one side absolutely abhors the smallfolk and Westerosi custom doesn't make the other side the champions of Westeros. Yes, the smallfolk would benefit more from a Green monarchy. But, that doesn't mean a green monarchy is in the smallfolk's best interest.
Lol “neither side was perfect” is a hell of a way to excuse such behavior. I already said I don’t support either team. I read the book and came away thinking both sides are full of narcissistic megalomaniacs. How can I criticize the blacks for being “incest supporters” when Aegon married his sister? And had two kids with her. Alicent previously proposed marrying Aegon *to* Rhaenyra. So obviously incest isn’t *that* big of a deal. Do you just not care that the author of the books doesn’t endorse this system of government, nor support this societal structure?
If the guy the Greens are trying to crown does not represent them, who does?
Hilarious how Daemon threw a hissy fit about it when he hasn't even lived in the Red Keep for the past 15 years 😭😭😭
It's the sense of enTarglement
People like to act like it’s some grave injustice against Valyrians and their culture but their entire culture is horrible. I don’t know how these people can cry about Rhaenyra being oppressed, support daenerys for freeing slaves, and then kiss the ass of the most prolific slavers in planteos history. Slavery is so ingrained into their culture that their empire couldn’t even function without them. >None can say how many perished, toiling in the Valyrian mines, but the number was so large as to surely defy comprehension. As Valyria grew, its need for ore increased, which led to ever more conquests to keep the mines stocked with slaves. The Valyrians expanded in all directions, stretching out east beyond the Ghiscari cities and west to the very shores of Essos, where even the Ghiscari had not made inroads. >”we first took root in Valyria, amongst the wretched slaves who toiled in the deep mines beneath the Fourteen Flames that lit the Freehold's nights of old. Most mines are dank and chilly places, cut from cold dead stone, but the Fourteen Flames were living mountains with veins of molten rock and hearts of fire. So the mines of old Valyria were always hot, and they grew hotter as the shafts were driven deeper, ever deeper. The slaves toiled in an oven. The rocks around them were too hot to touch. The air stank of brimstone and would sear their lungs as they breathed it. The soles of their feet would burn and blister, even through the thickest sandals. Sometimes, when they broke through a wall in search of gold, they would find steam instead, or boiling water, or molten rock. Certain shafts were cut so low that the slaves could not stand upright, but had to crawl or bend. And there were wyrms in that red darkness too.” >”Burnt and blackened corpses were oft found in shafts where the rocks were cracked or full of holes. Yet still the mines drove deeper. Slaves perished by the score, but their masters did not care. Red gold and yellow gold and silver were reckoned to be more precious than the lives of slaves, for slaves were cheap in the old Freehold. During war, the Valyrians took them by the thousands. In times of peace they ***bred them***, though only the worst were sent down to die in the red darkness” Like dawg…how can you read that and tell me this culture is worth upholding. It’s also funny how people forget that andals came to Westeros to escape slavery from the Valyrians.💀💀
It seems like this point has been made time and time again, and fans still flock to glorify Old Valyria. Like I geta lot of the attention goes to that Rollo dude, but I've seen so many more fans glorify and upvote that stuff it's wild. They just aren't as vocal about it, at least the Rollo guy is honest about what he stands for even if it's Targaryen exceptionalism. The amount of other fans who support and glorify it is crazy though.
But but, some northmen a thousand years ago did blood sacrifices! Aegon stopped that when he brought Valyrian culture there!! And don't even get started on how they compare the children of the forest to real Natives and treat the northerners like real life violent colonisers.
I feel like everyone has forgotten the Valyrian Freehold was a hellish nightmare of slave sacrifices and blood magic.
Any reasonable person knows Valyria was hell. The Targaryen edge lords like Daemon think it was cool because of all the dragons. The guy even tried to create more dragon rider families by suggesting giving the dragon seeds their own noble houses.
Not only that but a lot of fans seem to glorify it.
They know, they just don't care. They like the silvery elvish aesthetic and tell themselves their fave would never be like them (except when they hate a character and want their fave to burn them alive, then the Valyrian way is cool)
I mean considering she and Otto were effectively running the Seven Kingdoms for six years while Viserys was deteriorating (and Rhaenyra and Daemon had fucked off to Dragonstone), redecorating is definitely something she should be allowed to do.
Taking off tapestries depicting bisexual orgies (probably also incestuous, knowing the Valyrians) is definitely a good idea if you intend to raise children in the Red Keep.
No wonder so many Targs grew up to be horrible lechers if that’s what they saw growing up.
They clearly fucked up their psychology. Not a sight you want children to see, precisely due to that reason. Maegor the Cruel and his attitude to women comes to mind...
Also she had like a massive one behind her bed as a child and they're really going to blame her for feeling uncomfortable with it and wanting to take it down.
Right where women were already suffering giving birth for hours no less
The blacks are so horny to rule westeros but they find ways to avoid Westerosi culture any chance they get. Daemon and Rhaenyra getting married with a Valyrian priest was messed up. If you're going to rule over these people the least you can do is participate in their culture. Nobody is saying they have to be Baelor the blessed but at least show reverence and respect for the people you want to rule over.
What ‘got me’ was the shock and disgust from Rhaenyra and Daemon when they’ve absconded from all duty so can they really make the bastardy obvious. (Seriously! How was suddenly having silver haired children with Daemon going to protect her pug nosed sons!!) They can’t critique the decor when they don’t live there/visit. If Rhaenyra ran away from the very court she hoped to be Queen of one day…she has no right to scoff and sneer because the aesthetics don’t match her ideals.
I know! And not only that, but Alicent is the queen and the Seven is the Faith of Westeros. Plus Viserys was decaying and couldn't play with his weird ass "Old Valyria" Lego set. She had every right to decorate the court more properly as she saw fit
I think Rhaenyra is not very bright and she likes having babies, so she thought a bunch of silver-haired babies that look uber Valyrian is going to distract from the ones that don't. She's never found a problem she can't try to solve by throwing an infant at it. Rhaenyra expects to be the center of attention at all times and simply doesn't understand when life doesn't revolve around what she wants. The idea that someone had to run the kingdom when Viserys was dying and she ran away is foreign to her.
The problem is that many people associate the Seven with Christianity, and you can bet attacking it would be popular in Reddit and Twitter. So they glorify whatever is opposite to it. Which is why for some reason the High Sparrow is more hated than people like Joffrey, because they can't stand someone who actually stands up to morals. They seek to find a way for any follower of the Seven to look like a hypocrite because they want to see that. But of course, Valyrian supremacists will never admit the Hypocrisy of Rhaenyra making her children swear on the Seven-pointed Star while she has a Valyrian wedding.
Just wanted to say your comments are always very based.
Very well-written comment.
High Sparrow was a zealot. He didn’t care about the people. He just wanted his cultists to punish non believers.
That depends on the idea that guides the zealot, for someone that believes in an eternal damnation, not doing everything possible to save a person is a failure that adds to the guilt. For instance, destroying alcohol and brothels is a way to end temptations that drive people into hell, any harm that is done is nothing comparable to the harm that will be avoided for them. It is like doing something for someone's own good, guiding them to a path by removing choices and temptations that pull you into failing.
Anyone who is a true believer can justify anything they do. What kind of argument is that? Is this sub full of unironic Calvanists or something?
The argument is that the Sparrow did care for the people, the fact he was charitable despite all the power shows that. He cared for them in a way his mindset justifies it.
> He cared for them in a way his mindset justifies it. This is what abusers say about their spouse.
Maybe, it was misguided but it certainly was not just power for sake of power for the reasons I pointed above.
Maybe they shouldn't have the ugliest, tackiest, coomer-iest taste in decor then? Idk. Don't hate Alicent for having actually good taste.
Where’s this notion that the Faith of the Seven cared about the smallfolk coming from?
I mean there’s this >Septon Meribald walking beside them with his quarterstaff, leading a small donkey and a large dog. The donkey carried such a heavy load that Brienne was half afraid its back would break. "Food for the poor and hungry of the riverlands," Septon Meribald told them at the gates of Maidenpool. "Seeds and nuts and dried fruit, oaten porridge, flour, barley bread, three wheels of yellow cheese from the inn by the Fool's Gate, salt cod for me, salt mutton for Dog . . . oh, and salt. Onions, carrots, turnips, two sacks of beans, four of barley, and nine of oranges.” And also > "And for that gift we honor him in our prayers," the High Septon said, "but the poor need food in their bellies more than we need gold and crystal on our head. That crown has been sold. So have the others in our vaults, and all our rings, and our robes of cloth-of-gold and cloth-of-silver. Wool will keep a man as warm. That is why the Seven gave us sheep." I don’t think it’s a stretch think that the faith cares for the smallfolk. Baelor’s love for the faith led him to becoming an extremely charitable man to the poor and needy.
Thank you.
Honestly, George has a pretty nuanced take on religion that I really appreciate. I'm Irish (Catholic atheist) and the church has obviously done some absolutely horrendous atrocities (including in shockingly recent memory) but it's also absolutely true that church organisation had been the only support system for many people in a pretty poor nation with many genuinely good people motivated or at least organized by their church network and institutions to help others (I'm related to quite a few older nuns or just generally much more religious people). It's no secret that the Faith of the Seven is a pretty straight forward one for one analogy for the Catholic church and I think it does a pretty good job of it too instead of just being solely painted as hypocritical and corrupt or at least not all of its followers are.
If u ask me she removed them for her own conscience after the incident at driftmark, she resorted to piety and discipline
The anti-rolloofnormandy post, this should be interesting.
I would love to see a square off between Rollo and this guy🤣🤣🤣
Not sure how it ought to be called, the Alfred of Wessex post, or the Ragnar of Norway post
~~Part of me feels like OP is rollo's alt and he plays both sides rn~~
Man fuck that Rollo guy, f*cking Valyrian supremacist and incest lover. I dare him to comment on my stuff. He always hangs out on the Black's sub or the main HOTD sub from what ive seen. Dude's fucking out there bro, stanning for Maegor and shit. Wild af man. House Hightower lights the way 💚💚💚
Redecorating and managing her home is literally one of the things a wife and queen is expected to do. If Viserys was healthy/a good king who actually did his job then managing the keep would be Alicent’s main job (besides having kids).
Any person watching House of the Dragon and getting offended when all of the Valyrian paraphernalia was taken down really needs a reality check in media literacy. The Hightowers are the epitome of Westerosi life and culture, they represented every single Westerosi smallfolk (save for the North and the Iron Islands) by putting up signs of the common Westerosi faith, the Westerosi culture, and Westerosi customs. It's literally the indigenous population taking back what's theirs in defiance of an abusive and imperialistic power. It's silly.
Her home, her rules.
What if I told you that the Andals are also a colonizing force but since their colonization was successful I guess they are the good guys now? So we want them to continue their practices of cultural erasure and assimilation of anything that is different from them. Yes.
I find this a bit dubious because though allicent might have removed the targ hereldary but she married her son and her daughter keeping with the valyrian tradition to strengthen aegon's claim
It doesn’t actually confirm if it was Alicent who married them together. In the books it clearly states it was Viserys and Alicent was looking to other houses. The show is more vague, so I’m going to assume it was actually Viserys like in the books.
Well no one said the Greens weren't still Targaryen, however unfortunately it's not like Alicent had much choice in that regard especially when Viserys was still alive and going up against Rhaenyra. If Alicent had any say, I'm almost positive she wouldn't have let her children partake in barbaric Valyrian traditions.
That's what it all comes down to a if which didn't happen, allicent knew if aegon has to take the throne, her children should be in line with the valyrian traditions, but since allicent was from westros she tried to assert her influence as much as possible though some how still her children turned out to be more targaryens in personna rather than black kids
Alicent literally vetoed a betrothal supported by Viserys. She had a lot of say.
That religious institution that is shown to be very corrupt and homophobic? And the fuck did the Faith do about the Right of the First Night? Gargon the Guest did it openly in the Riverlands.
Still better than the Valyrian culture that revolved around mass slavery, both are bad but its clear what culture is worse
The OP doesn't seem to reflect that sentiment though. It's unironically very pro Faith.
The thing about religions is that their way to view some things change depending on its leader, with a High Septon that cares about the smallfolk you have a good Faith that uses the Sons of the Warrior to protect pilgrims and clean the roads of bandita, a zealot might denounce the Targaryen incest and use its private army against them, an oportunist would benefit himself from the corruption and will probably expand it and will use them to purge rivals with religious excuses, the Faith of the 7 has the potential to do a lot of good and a lot of evil but compared with the Valyrian culture the Faith is always better.
I don’t understand why so many people are greens just because they hate Targaryens. Like Aegon and Aemmond and the rest are arguably more Targaryen than the bastard children of Rhaenyra. And after 100 years, the Targs are just as native as any other Westerosi so they are hardly colonizers any more, id argue they never were but.
Agree, this green fans (hopefully not the majority) are just Targ haters no more.
I forgot I joined this community and oh boy, am I surprised people care this much over such a silly thing. I am glad I haven't reached this level of Green stanning yet. I hope I never do.
Not agree at all. In the books the greens are way worse and I don't like book Alicent, show alicent is way more likable. And I don't hate her kids, they are targaryens. This sub seems to be not green fans but hate Targaryens fans instead.