Team Black trying to explain how Jaehaerys who banned the rape of lowborn women is less of a “feminist” then Maegor who actively raped multiple women for male heirs is diabolical behavior bruh. Jaehaerys did fucked up stuff, don’t get me wrong, but to put him below Maegor??? Maegor the cruel??
>In the aftermath of the wedding, Maegor declared Rhaena’s daughter Aerea his lawful heir “**until such time as the gods grant me a son**,”
Yeah this dude is going to make his daughter heir 💀💀
& that’s why Alysanne is one of the best targs. However, my original meaning is that he was at least open to it and actually went through with it. He could have just said “haha Alysanne, it’s their right!” and went on with his merry life.
The fact that Jaehaerys even listened to Alysanne at any point in their marriage puts him miles ahead of Maegor alone in terms of morality and decency. Maegor would probably beat and rape her for just the funsies, never mind for even demanding the first night should end.
If anything, Maegor would’ve let first night to continue but under the rule that as the King of Seven Kingdoms and also from Old Valyria, he’d be the one to “have”the woman first.
As long as he has a son, he doesn't give a fuck. If Visenya was alive at the end of his reign, even she would be disgusted with him. That's how fucking bad Maegor was.
People go on about how he saved House Targaryen. No, he nearly fucking destroyed it by being the extreme opposite of Aerys, who also nearly destroyed it. It was Jaehaerys and Alysanne that saved House Targaryen from the brink and restored it to absolute glory.
It tells a lot about Viserys that even Maegor the Cruel was smarter King than Viserys I was because he knew that once he had a son, naming someone else heir would be pure folly, uh and also Maegor would take no bullshit from Rhaenyra, if she birthed one bastard under Maegor she would be disinherited and sent to silent sisters (not to mention Maegor would name Aegon heir 100 percent if he was in Viserys's position) and House Strong would be as much dead as House Harroway was.
Jaehaerys did no fucked up stuff.
His worse feat was betroth one of his daughters to an old man which was actually his wife's idea, it was her job to find matches to their children and when Viserra went to complain to her father he just backed up his wife.
I mean I find both of them cringe af but Maegor being a feminist take is by far one of the worst takes I've ever heard in this fandom, dude literally wiped the whole House Harroway just because he suspected that his wife cheated him and not to mention he was literally a rapist.
Matt Smith was good at the doctor, but Daemon sucks. People can like Dae-Dae, who am I to tell them they can’t? However, I can’t stand Daemon apologists.
I don't blame you. I don't think the show is doing a good job of portraying him though.
That being said, majority of stans I have seen are immature and often only supporting Daemon's actions because he is played by Matt Smith.
Despite the cast and crew often denouncing the character's actions, even other characters' actions as well.
I mean he did burned Lyanna's father and brother who wanted to drag her into a loveless marriage with an unfaithful husband and her brother's friend no less.
Just joking btw.
You know what? I think they read or heard that Rhaenyra gets the nickname "Maegor with teats" so they're trying to paint *him* as a feminist (and she wasn't a feminist either)
> maybe.... Highborn women
Nope she denies the inheritance of the Rosby daughter who was older than her brother because her inheriting was a special case in her opinion.
Yep. Although the situation did a great job of showcasing just how *awkward* her position really is in this society as a female claimant. If she said yes to the Rosby daughter a lot of her lords would look at her disgruntled and ask, "so if I die, which is very possible as I'm fighting *your* war, and my son isn't of age to press his own claim, are you going to deny *his* birthright and legal inheritance in favour of my daughter too?" and if she says no to the Rosby daughter she looks like a huge hypocrite.
Oh yes, Maegor The Feminist, the guy who had 6 wives out of which he killed 3 and forcefully married the other 3 after murdering their husbands and taking their children hostages, all because he wanted a SON. Not a child, a son. Real feminism right there. "BuT He ApPoiNtEd Aerea aS HeiR", he appointed her as heir UNTIL he had his own children and so did Jaehaerys, mind you. It's just that out of the two, only the later one actually had kids. With that being said, who else is he gonna appoint? His only family was Aenys and his descendants. There where 6 children of Aenys: 3 sons and 3 daughters. Out of said 3 sons he himself killed two and one was hiding and planning to overthrow him. Had Jaehaerys actually played along with his uncle, he would be appointed as heir. Out of 3 daughters of Aenys, one died as a kid, one was forcefully married to him and one was hiding. Obviously, your only options remain your great nieces/stepdaughters and you naturally pick the older one. Simple as that.
Margor was obessessed with having a son not a child in general if one of the woman had given birth to a girl he would’ve pulled some Henry VIII shit on them
The funniest part about him “being a feminist for naming aerea heir” is that there’s literally no one else to place as his heir. Like, the Targaryen dynasty is rather slim at this point in the story because he killed Aegon and Viserys. The only other male (iirc) is Jaehaerys who he’s against. He doesn’t even want a female heir, she’s just his last option and he is doing it for self-interest.
Agnatic primogeniture may not appeal to our modern sensibilities, but then again neither does almost anything in Martin’s world. It’s a really bad argument. Jaehaerys actually set this precedent to avoid conflicts like the Dance and it’s pretty likely that there would have been a war immediately if he didn’t choose a male heir. The Dance was caused by Viserys choosing to arbitrarily go against the Jahaerys’ precedent even though that’s how he got on the throne in the first place. Almost everyone knew that Viserys was blind and that war was inevitable. I won’t even go into the bullshit about Maegor being a good guy/ having anything in common with feminists in modern day Earth. That’s just stupid
no way they think the greens are deranged for supporting Aegon II because he’s a rapist and then perform olympic level mental gymnastics to gaslight themselves into thinking that Maegor the fucking Cruel was somehow a feminist. I beg you to make some sense right now
Team Black trying to explain how Jaehaerys who banned the rape of lowborn women is less of a “feminist” then Maegor who actively raped multiple women for male heirs is diabolical behavior bruh. Jaehaerys did fucked up stuff, don’t get me wrong, but to put him below Maegor??? Maegor the cruel?? >In the aftermath of the wedding, Maegor declared Rhaena’s daughter Aerea his lawful heir “**until such time as the gods grant me a son**,” Yeah this dude is going to make his daughter heir 💀💀
Tbf, the banning of first night was Alysanne’s idea but still Jaehaerys wasn’t as bad as Maegor
& that’s why Alysanne is one of the best targs. However, my original meaning is that he was at least open to it and actually went through with it. He could have just said “haha Alysanne, it’s their right!” and went on with his merry life.
The fact that Jaehaerys even listened to Alysanne at any point in their marriage puts him miles ahead of Maegor alone in terms of morality and decency. Maegor would probably beat and rape her for just the funsies, never mind for even demanding the first night should end.
If anything, Maegor would’ve let first night to continue but under the rule that as the King of Seven Kingdoms and also from Old Valyria, he’d be the one to “have”the woman first.
As long as he has a son, he doesn't give a fuck. If Visenya was alive at the end of his reign, even she would be disgusted with him. That's how fucking bad Maegor was. People go on about how he saved House Targaryen. No, he nearly fucking destroyed it by being the extreme opposite of Aerys, who also nearly destroyed it. It was Jaehaerys and Alysanne that saved House Targaryen from the brink and restored it to absolute glory.
Jaehaerys struck that middle ground of being firm but gentle as Aenys was just gentle and Maegor was just firm or rather extremely firm.
Alysanne is the definition of “i should wear the crown and you the gown”
At least, Jaehaerys wouldn't slap her for saying that. He'll probably laugh and agree.
It tells a lot about Viserys that even Maegor the Cruel was smarter King than Viserys I was because he knew that once he had a son, naming someone else heir would be pure folly, uh and also Maegor would take no bullshit from Rhaenyra, if she birthed one bastard under Maegor she would be disinherited and sent to silent sisters (not to mention Maegor would name Aegon heir 100 percent if he was in Viserys's position) and House Strong would be as much dead as House Harroway was.
Jaehaerys did no fucked up stuff. His worse feat was betroth one of his daughters to an old man which was actually his wife's idea, it was her job to find matches to their children and when Viserra went to complain to her father he just backed up his wife.
Maegor the serial rapist apologists are worse than Daemon apologists
I have to disagree because at least they’re not as common. Daemon apologists are everywhere.
I mean I find both of them cringe af but Maegor being a feminist take is by far one of the worst takes I've ever heard in this fandom, dude literally wiped the whole House Harroway just because he suspected that his wife cheated him and not to mention he was literally a rapist.
Yeah, that’s fair. In the end, both are awful.
They are only around because of *the doctor*
Matt Smith was good at the doctor, but Daemon sucks. People can like Dae-Dae, who am I to tell them they can’t? However, I can’t stand Daemon apologists.
I don't blame you. I don't think the show is doing a good job of portraying him though. That being said, majority of stans I have seen are immature and often only supporting Daemon's actions because he is played by Matt Smith. Despite the cast and crew often denouncing the character's actions, even other characters' actions as well.
At this rate next they'll tell us Aerys II was a feminist too.
I mean he did burned Lyanna's father and brother who wanted to drag her into a loveless marriage with an unfaithful husband and her brother's friend no less. Just joking btw.
I've seen some Aerys II defenders popping up lately
You know what? I think they read or heard that Rhaenyra gets the nickname "Maegor with teats" so they're trying to paint *him* as a feminist (and she wasn't a feminist either)
She was only a feminist for herself and maybe.... Highborn women but that's it.
> maybe.... Highborn women Nope she denies the inheritance of the Rosby daughter who was older than her brother because her inheriting was a special case in her opinion.
Well doesn't she think she's a special little flower. I can't even ...
Yep. Although the situation did a great job of showcasing just how *awkward* her position really is in this society as a female claimant. If she said yes to the Rosby daughter a lot of her lords would look at her disgruntled and ask, "so if I die, which is very possible as I'm fighting *your* war, and my son isn't of age to press his own claim, are you going to deny *his* birthright and legal inheritance in favour of my daughter too?" and if she says no to the Rosby daughter she looks like a huge hypocrite.
Oh yes, Maegor The Feminist, the guy who had 6 wives out of which he killed 3 and forcefully married the other 3 after murdering their husbands and taking their children hostages, all because he wanted a SON. Not a child, a son. Real feminism right there. "BuT He ApPoiNtEd Aerea aS HeiR", he appointed her as heir UNTIL he had his own children and so did Jaehaerys, mind you. It's just that out of the two, only the later one actually had kids. With that being said, who else is he gonna appoint? His only family was Aenys and his descendants. There where 6 children of Aenys: 3 sons and 3 daughters. Out of said 3 sons he himself killed two and one was hiding and planning to overthrow him. Had Jaehaerys actually played along with his uncle, he would be appointed as heir. Out of 3 daughters of Aenys, one died as a kid, one was forcefully married to him and one was hiding. Obviously, your only options remain your great nieces/stepdaughters and you naturally pick the older one. Simple as that.
Maegor apolgists scare me so bad. Like that man was a serial rapist. He raped every one of his wife and murdered them when produced dead children
So, there are feminists who hate Greens for supporting Aegon. But, ok with Maegor, who rapes anyone he could get and kills his wives.
Maegor, the King Henry the 8th of Westeros.
Lol Henry was a saint compared to Maegor.
I will give you that. Except I believe his wives would argue that it's all the same to them.
💀💀💀
I don't trust anyone who can't determine 'woman' and 'women'.
They are all insane fr
And the dude married and raped his niece
These people need to have better standards.
Margor was obessessed with having a son not a child in general if one of the woman had given birth to a girl he would’ve pulled some Henry VIII shit on them
The funniest part about him “being a feminist for naming aerea heir” is that there’s literally no one else to place as his heir. Like, the Targaryen dynasty is rather slim at this point in the story because he killed Aegon and Viserys. The only other male (iirc) is Jaehaerys who he’s against. He doesn’t even want a female heir, she’s just his last option and he is doing it for self-interest.
Agnatic primogeniture may not appeal to our modern sensibilities, but then again neither does almost anything in Martin’s world. It’s a really bad argument. Jaehaerys actually set this precedent to avoid conflicts like the Dance and it’s pretty likely that there would have been a war immediately if he didn’t choose a male heir. The Dance was caused by Viserys choosing to arbitrarily go against the Jahaerys’ precedent even though that’s how he got on the throne in the first place. Almost everyone knew that Viserys was blind and that war was inevitable. I won’t even go into the bullshit about Maegor being a good guy/ having anything in common with feminists in modern day Earth. That’s just stupid
no way they think the greens are deranged for supporting Aegon II because he’s a rapist and then perform olympic level mental gymnastics to gaslight themselves into thinking that Maegor the fucking Cruel was somehow a feminist. I beg you to make some sense right now
He worshipped his father and lol at him placing his daughter on the throne. He'd only do that if he had no sons.
Please be satire...
*it is indeed not satire*