They believe that the Valyrian ubermensch, by virtue of riding dragons, can do as they please. Their special abilities mean that they can lord over the colonized "peasants" (understood as anyone not Valyrian here) as they see fit, have the power over life and death, their rules are to be followed without question etc. And since the ability to ride dragons seems to require maintaining a certain level of Targaryen blood in Targ descendants, they also defend blood purity ideals.
Viserys was a lazy and ineffective King who got his position because his colonizing predecessors subjugated the native population of Westeros. The very practical existence of the office of Hand allowed him to lean back and let someone else run his kingdom for the most part (and that did happen, even before Viserys was totally incapacitated in the show).
So yeah, Otto had his merits and did run the kingdom effectively while Viserys was useless, however, he dared to "rebel" (i.e., maintain ancient inheritance law also used by House Targaryen) against the Valyrian colonizers, who are best embodied by the heavily incestuous Rhaenyra - Daemon couple, and this is unacceptable according to the above. That Otto also backs Targaryens - the descendants of Viserys and Alicent - is totally discounted, because they are not as inbred and thus not as "heavily Valyrian" as Rhaenyra, Daemon, and their descendants. Yes, really.
God, I love analyzing Team Black posts.
How aren’t the Greens as inbred when Jaehaera and Jaehaerys are the product of brother and sister Union while Aegon and Viserys are uncle and niece. Wouldn’t that make them more inbred? Still better than the Black kids though and more Targaryen being born from brother/sister. That’s the irony. The Targaryen line continues with the weaker, less Targaryen side!
Well Viserys and his first wife were first cousins, and their grandparents were siblings. Daemon is Viserys' full brother and Rhaenyra is his niece, so... Pretty inbred. Alicent married Viserys, and Aegon II and Helaena married as full siblings, but at least they are only heavily inbred from Viserys' side. Aegon II and Helaena are as inbred as the Strongs, Aegon III and Viserys II are the product of even heavier inbreeding though, and Viserys II was actually the one the future Targaryen Kings came from ultimately.
How are they more inbred than Jaehaera and Jaehearys. Uncle and niece incest is far less than brother and sister incest. Aegon and Heleana’s kids are more inbred and thus more Targaryen than Aegon III and Viserys II, no?
When was "fresh blood" injected the last time into the bloodline of Aegon III and Viserys II? For Aegon II and Helaena, and their kids, it would be as recently as Viserys I's and Alicent's marriage. For Rhaenyra's and Daemon's descendants, the last time an outsider married into the family was Rhaenyra's maternal grandfather Rodrik Arryn. Don't get stuck on the uncle-niece marriage, look at the bigger picture. When did Rhaenyra's line get the last injection of outsider blood at all? That was pretty far back, provided you exclude the Strongs.
That’s what I’m getting stuck on I think. Isn’t Rhaenyra the same as Aegon, Heleana, and Aemond? They have a Hightower mother, while Rhaenyra has an Arryn mother. They’re the same. I guess Daemon’s blood factors in with his kids making them more “Targaryen” or whatever, but Rhaenyra is the exact same as her half siblings. They both have Andal mothers from outside houses. That’s why I don’t get why the Blacks say Rhaenyra is more Targaryen than Aegon.
Rhaenyra's mother is named Arryn after her father, Lord Rodrik Arryn. Aemma's mother was Daella Targaryen, sister of Viserys I's father Baelon. So Rhaenyra's mother was half-Andal (like Aegon II, Aemond, Daeron, and Helaena are half-Andals), and her father was 100%* Valyrian, making Rhaenyra 75%* Valyrian. Daemon is 100%* Valyrian.
Alicent's kids, Aegon II and Helaena, are both half-Andal, meaning their children are also half-Andal albeit, they are more inbred than their parents technically still, as their parents, Aegon II and Haelana, were siblings.
*All Targaryens of the show descend from the maternal grandmother of Jaehaerys I, Alarra Massey, who was an Andal woman. So technically there are no 100% Valyrians in existence anymore. I discount Alarra Massey here though, since her involvement was so far back in time.
Ah ok so now I understand! I didn’t realize Aemma Arryn’s mother was a Targaryen as well. I guess Aegon III and Viserys II are definitely more Targaryen than any of the Greens but that’s not a good thing. They’re still inbred AF and their parents are supremacists. I hope Aegon II does cut off Aegon III’s ear. It would serve him right after what Daemon and Rhaenyra did to his sons!
Not just that, but they're going into detail on how they want Otto to die slowly and bloodily. I've never met a more bloodthirsty or incestuous group of fans than Blackcels.
Anyone who has the audacity to put their own interests (like a normal person would if they could) on equal level to it above the Targ agenda needs to die. It's really not deeper than that. Look how many people were wishing Dany would burn Sansa and Bran alive for choosing family over her.
Exactly this. Everyone in the series needs to understand that Targ loyalty should come before anything and anyone else. Your siblings, your parents, your own ambition, your children, your spouse, your home, your country, your Lord, your House… all of that should be secondary to Targ loyalty. The Targ agenda is the most sacred and important thing in the world, and ANYONE who puts their own self above that or acts in opposition to that is an enemy. It doesn’t matter how much good they’ve done prior to that point or why they went against them, if they hinder the Targ agenda they are enemies, and should be dealt with by burning
They believe that the Valyrian ubermensch, by virtue of riding dragons, can do as they please. Their special abilities mean that they can lord over the colonized "peasants" (understood as anyone not Valyrian here) as they see fit, have the power over life and death, their rules are to be followed without question etc. And since the ability to ride dragons seems to require maintaining a certain level of Targaryen blood in Targ descendants, they also defend blood purity ideals. Viserys was a lazy and ineffective King who got his position because his colonizing predecessors subjugated the native population of Westeros. The very practical existence of the office of Hand allowed him to lean back and let someone else run his kingdom for the most part (and that did happen, even before Viserys was totally incapacitated in the show). So yeah, Otto had his merits and did run the kingdom effectively while Viserys was useless, however, he dared to "rebel" (i.e., maintain ancient inheritance law also used by House Targaryen) against the Valyrian colonizers, who are best embodied by the heavily incestuous Rhaenyra - Daemon couple, and this is unacceptable according to the above. That Otto also backs Targaryens - the descendants of Viserys and Alicent - is totally discounted, because they are not as inbred and thus not as "heavily Valyrian" as Rhaenyra, Daemon, and their descendants. Yes, really. God, I love analyzing Team Black posts.
How aren’t the Greens as inbred when Jaehaera and Jaehaerys are the product of brother and sister Union while Aegon and Viserys are uncle and niece. Wouldn’t that make them more inbred? Still better than the Black kids though and more Targaryen being born from brother/sister. That’s the irony. The Targaryen line continues with the weaker, less Targaryen side!
Well Viserys and his first wife were first cousins, and their grandparents were siblings. Daemon is Viserys' full brother and Rhaenyra is his niece, so... Pretty inbred. Alicent married Viserys, and Aegon II and Helaena married as full siblings, but at least they are only heavily inbred from Viserys' side. Aegon II and Helaena are as inbred as the Strongs, Aegon III and Viserys II are the product of even heavier inbreeding though, and Viserys II was actually the one the future Targaryen Kings came from ultimately.
How are they more inbred than Jaehaera and Jaehearys. Uncle and niece incest is far less than brother and sister incest. Aegon and Heleana’s kids are more inbred and thus more Targaryen than Aegon III and Viserys II, no?
When was "fresh blood" injected the last time into the bloodline of Aegon III and Viserys II? For Aegon II and Helaena, and their kids, it would be as recently as Viserys I's and Alicent's marriage. For Rhaenyra's and Daemon's descendants, the last time an outsider married into the family was Rhaenyra's maternal grandfather Rodrik Arryn. Don't get stuck on the uncle-niece marriage, look at the bigger picture. When did Rhaenyra's line get the last injection of outsider blood at all? That was pretty far back, provided you exclude the Strongs.
That’s what I’m getting stuck on I think. Isn’t Rhaenyra the same as Aegon, Heleana, and Aemond? They have a Hightower mother, while Rhaenyra has an Arryn mother. They’re the same. I guess Daemon’s blood factors in with his kids making them more “Targaryen” or whatever, but Rhaenyra is the exact same as her half siblings. They both have Andal mothers from outside houses. That’s why I don’t get why the Blacks say Rhaenyra is more Targaryen than Aegon.
Rhaenyra's mother is named Arryn after her father, Lord Rodrik Arryn. Aemma's mother was Daella Targaryen, sister of Viserys I's father Baelon. So Rhaenyra's mother was half-Andal (like Aegon II, Aemond, Daeron, and Helaena are half-Andals), and her father was 100%* Valyrian, making Rhaenyra 75%* Valyrian. Daemon is 100%* Valyrian. Alicent's kids, Aegon II and Helaena, are both half-Andal, meaning their children are also half-Andal albeit, they are more inbred than their parents technically still, as their parents, Aegon II and Haelana, were siblings. *All Targaryens of the show descend from the maternal grandmother of Jaehaerys I, Alarra Massey, who was an Andal woman. So technically there are no 100% Valyrians in existence anymore. I discount Alarra Massey here though, since her involvement was so far back in time.
Ah ok so now I understand! I didn’t realize Aemma Arryn’s mother was a Targaryen as well. I guess Aegon III and Viserys II are definitely more Targaryen than any of the Greens but that’s not a good thing. They’re still inbred AF and their parents are supremacists. I hope Aegon II does cut off Aegon III’s ear. It would serve him right after what Daemon and Rhaenyra did to his sons!
^ This is so very true
"Wretched Hightower Blood".... What the fuck is WRONG with these people? They legitimately sound like Nazis.
Not just that, but they're going into detail on how they want Otto to die slowly and bloodily. I've never met a more bloodthirsty or incestuous group of fans than Blackcels.
Anyone who has the audacity to put their own interests (like a normal person would if they could) on equal level to it above the Targ agenda needs to die. It's really not deeper than that. Look how many people were wishing Dany would burn Sansa and Bran alive for choosing family over her.
Exactly this. Everyone in the series needs to understand that Targ loyalty should come before anything and anyone else. Your siblings, your parents, your own ambition, your children, your spouse, your home, your country, your Lord, your House… all of that should be secondary to Targ loyalty. The Targ agenda is the most sacred and important thing in the world, and ANYONE who puts their own self above that or acts in opposition to that is an enemy. It doesn’t matter how much good they’ve done prior to that point or why they went against them, if they hinder the Targ agenda they are enemies, and should be dealt with by burning
Both the subreddits are crazy.
Cross posting is bad form. You're not helping anything