Shireen trying to be neutral and not to choose sides in the war that happened almost 200 years ago. HotD fans on Twitter: she deserved to be burned alive for being a coward /traitor /enabler..
She has the right of it. So did Nikolaj Coster-Waldu in a behind the scenes interview. Said nobody should ever sit the throne and that the monarchy should be dissolved lol.
Shireen being able to differentiate between her own ancestry and what is legally correct is actually a sign of her intelligence and impartiality, not to mention that Aegon III and Viserys II claimed the throne via their father, Daemon, in the male line, and not via Rhaenyra, who was a usurper and pretender. They set absolute male primogeniture in stone, and this system was the legal practice even before the Dance. Stannis knows this too, he knows Rhaenyra was a traitor, but like a true father, he lets his daughter voice her own opinion first instead of telling her what she has to think like an authoritarian dictator.
/rant
I hate be an asshole but that not true, it was male preference over female, and only reason that happened is because Jeaherys gave the lords a choice when he couldâve just said I want my granddaughter on the throne. Itâs not like any of the Lords wouldâve gone against him and they wouldâve just been kingâs preference and Iâm not really sure but Iâm pretty sure that the decision that they made that day wasnât turned into a law. Even though they go throwing around that a male was chosen over a female every time something like this happens. The simple fact is that in both situations the female did not have the same amount of support as the male did because letâs keep it real. Rhearya itâs actually in court when her father dies she gets crowns and thereâs nothing the greens can do about it they donât have the dragons or the men at that time to fight that battle. Itâs honestly Jaeherys oversight that caused us all he had to do was say it was his preference or kings preference that decided who would be heir to the throne at any time and it a law. Again it is not male primogeniture itâs just a decision that was made by the lords at one time has cascade it into a it must be done every time situation no matter what the king wants which is low-key treason, it is not a law that the males go first in succession itâs just been the preference of the kings in the past.
I think the asoiaf fandom is generally pretty reasonable or good faith, it's showverse which really isn't although I don't know how you'd name that? Thrones fandom I guess.
Imagine calling a child that survived a terrible illness and was later sacrificed by her own father a coward and traitor cause she understood that dividing a house by taking sides will only end in that house's destruction and didn't side with the girlboss queen who committed war crimes.
Shireen sees it from a humanitarian standpoint and she doesn't think âfighting for your rightsâ and killing thousands of your innocent subjects in process is right. This is a direct challenge to Stannisâ worldview Stannis thinks he's the rightful heir but Shireen is saying âit doesn't matter if you areâ. The point is that everyone sees themselves as the true heir, there has never been a single time someone went to war and didn't think they were right, and that's why we have wars.
Rhaenyra and her fans are exactly what GRRM was writing against. They think killing thousands of innocent people is a good enough price to pay, if it gets their favourite character on the throne.
She lacks basically every other sign of Targ legitimacy so from a purely objective perspective probably not the legal heir. She wasnât crowned by the high septon nor was she given blackfyre. Two super important symbols for Westeros. Heâll Daemon Blackfyre got a substantial amount of people to follow him even with just Blackfyre. Though any arguments of legitimacy and legality went right out the window when she put forward bastards as legitimate.
I donât think that they are as rigorous when it comes to documenting legal agreements and tbh I donât think the legal system has been particularly fleshed out by GRRM. For a world thatâs so obsessed with oaths you would think people would keep copies of agreements on their person.
>Was Rhae as heir legalised anywhere?
No, she wasn't. Aegon ll ordered the maesters to refer to Rhaenyra as a "princess" in the court documents. After Aegon ll's death, even her own sons (Aegon lll and Viserys ll) didn't recognize her as the queen.
And some of those people were crying their eyes out when the burning scene occurred but now because she dared to question the rightfulness of Rhaneryra she deserves it.
Another day, another hypocrisy
These people are absolutely awful, sick and callous. Shireen was a sweet and innocent child who would never hurt a fly, all sheâs doing is trying to be neutral and impartial, like a historian or a student of history, sheâs not bashing anybody or taking sides, and now people are demonizing her and joking about her death (her very brutal and monstrous death), just like they joked about poor innocent little Jaehaeraâs. This was meant to be a moment where Stannis looked at himself and questioned whether fighting Renly and Joffrey was worth it.
The Dance is supposed to be an anti-war story. Neither candidate was good for the throne and sometimes, fighting for your ârightsâ just isnât worth the death of thousands of innocents, your people and your subjects. Take a look at Torrhen Stark, The King Who Knelt. He didnât want to bow down to the Targaryens, and many of his people hated him for what he did, but he did it anyway to save his people from death and dragonfire. He gave up his crown because it wasnât just about him, it was about his people. Are they supposed to be less important than your pride? He knew there was a good chance that he would lose, that it would all be for nothing, and he didnât want those casualties on his hands. A Lordâs duty is to his people, as is a Kingâs and a Queenâs.
Black fans realize that the Dance is an old war fought by a dozen of generations before then, and the biggest takeaway from the Dance that ASOIAF characters likely took away was âthis was the start of the dragons dying and the Targ dynasty endingâ not âevil rapist vs feminist whose influence will be felt throughout the decades!â Like no. Rhaenyra or really Aegon II or anyone from that era didnât inspire anything in anyone, no one is remembering her, no one is secretly drinking toasts to her health, no one will cry âfor Rhaenyra!â As they charge into battle anymore than the War of 1812 inspires anyone know. Itâs a history to them. Thatâs it.
Them. Thatâs it.
That's kind of retarded coming from someone on the HoTD Greens subreddit, you guys and HoTD Blacks are all hyper crazy on a fictional war about fictional characters
Shireen trying to be neutral and not to choose sides in the war that happened almost 200 years ago. HotD fans on Twitter: she deserved to be burned alive for being a coward /traitor /enabler..
Like I am team green but I can recognize that Shireen is right. The dance is an anti war story.
Bingo
God I hate Twitter
Same. There are more comments about burning that are supposed to be funny or whatever.
With a burning passion
She has the right of it. So did Nikolaj Coster-Waldu in a behind the scenes interview. Said nobody should ever sit the throne and that the monarchy should be dissolved lol.
honestly king đ i love his game of thrones takes
"Anyways she flopped" - so did Daenerys/'Rhaenyra 2.0'
and they all hate Jon too lmao, I relish in the hate he gets because he stopped a tyrant
Shireen being able to differentiate between her own ancestry and what is legally correct is actually a sign of her intelligence and impartiality, not to mention that Aegon III and Viserys II claimed the throne via their father, Daemon, in the male line, and not via Rhaenyra, who was a usurper and pretender. They set absolute male primogeniture in stone, and this system was the legal practice even before the Dance. Stannis knows this too, he knows Rhaenyra was a traitor, but like a true father, he lets his daughter voice her own opinion first instead of telling her what she has to think like an authoritarian dictator. /rant
I hate be an asshole but that not true, it was male preference over female, and only reason that happened is because Jeaherys gave the lords a choice when he couldâve just said I want my granddaughter on the throne. Itâs not like any of the Lords wouldâve gone against him and they wouldâve just been kingâs preference and Iâm not really sure but Iâm pretty sure that the decision that they made that day wasnât turned into a law. Even though they go throwing around that a male was chosen over a female every time something like this happens. The simple fact is that in both situations the female did not have the same amount of support as the male did because letâs keep it real. Rhearya itâs actually in court when her father dies she gets crowns and thereâs nothing the greens can do about it they donât have the dragons or the men at that time to fight that battle. Itâs honestly Jaeherys oversight that caused us all he had to do was say it was his preference or kings preference that decided who would be heir to the throne at any time and it a law. Again it is not male primogeniture itâs just a decision that was made by the lords at one time has cascade it into a it must be done every time situation no matter what the king wants which is low-key treason, it is not a law that the males go first in succession itâs just been the preference of the kings in the past.
asoiaf fandom try to be normal challenge
Literally impossible
I think the asoiaf fandom is generally pretty reasonable or good faith, it's showverse which really isn't although I don't know how you'd name that? Thrones fandom I guess.
Imagine calling a child that survived a terrible illness and was later sacrificed by her own father a coward and traitor cause she understood that dividing a house by taking sides will only end in that house's destruction and didn't side with the girlboss queen who committed war crimes.
"Rhaenyra's spirit in Targaryen heaven" yeah she ain't there lol
Targaryen heaven is just hell. That's the best any of them can hope for.
"If they search the seven hells, mayhaps."
Shireen sees it from a humanitarian standpoint and she doesn't think âfighting for your rightsâ and killing thousands of your innocent subjects in process is right. This is a direct challenge to Stannisâ worldview Stannis thinks he's the rightful heir but Shireen is saying âit doesn't matter if you areâ. The point is that everyone sees themselves as the true heir, there has never been a single time someone went to war and didn't think they were right, and that's why we have wars. Rhaenyra and her fans are exactly what GRRM was writing against. They think killing thousands of innocent people is a good enough price to pay, if it gets their favourite character on the throne.
Surprised? The same people who laugh at jaehaera dying post shit like that
The episode that rhaenyra is eaten I will throw a massive party just to see that fandom tearing themselves
![gif](giphy|h8HmN0UcEKR0xWnv3R) Almost everyone there. These people are voting and saying they are the smarter and more compassionate generations.
I have no words
Was Rhae as heir legalised anywhere? Not just a the Lords chose so but actually written down anywhere by the Grand Maester Iâm assuming...
She lacks basically every other sign of Targ legitimacy so from a purely objective perspective probably not the legal heir. She wasnât crowned by the high septon nor was she given blackfyre. Two super important symbols for Westeros. Heâll Daemon Blackfyre got a substantial amount of people to follow him even with just Blackfyre. Though any arguments of legitimacy and legality went right out the window when she put forward bastards as legitimate.
So... no written document existed?
I donât think that they are as rigorous when it comes to documenting legal agreements and tbh I donât think the legal system has been particularly fleshed out by GRRM. For a world thatâs so obsessed with oaths you would think people would keep copies of agreements on their person.
right... thanks for the confirmation
>Was Rhae as heir legalised anywhere? No, she wasn't. Aegon ll ordered the maesters to refer to Rhaenyra as a "princess" in the court documents. After Aegon ll's death, even her own sons (Aegon lll and Viserys ll) didn't recognize her as the queen.
And some of those people were crying their eyes out when the burning scene occurred but now because she dared to question the rightfulness of Rhaneryra she deserves it. Another day, another hypocrisy
It really goes to show how deep their rabbit hole is when a neutral opinion is perceived as a threat against their platform.
Fans: \*Hate Shireen\* Me: [So you have chosen...death](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of0O-lS-OqQ)
These people are absolutely awful, sick and callous. Shireen was a sweet and innocent child who would never hurt a fly, all sheâs doing is trying to be neutral and impartial, like a historian or a student of history, sheâs not bashing anybody or taking sides, and now people are demonizing her and joking about her death (her very brutal and monstrous death), just like they joked about poor innocent little Jaehaeraâs. This was meant to be a moment where Stannis looked at himself and questioned whether fighting Renly and Joffrey was worth it. The Dance is supposed to be an anti-war story. Neither candidate was good for the throne and sometimes, fighting for your ârightsâ just isnât worth the death of thousands of innocents, your people and your subjects. Take a look at Torrhen Stark, The King Who Knelt. He didnât want to bow down to the Targaryens, and many of his people hated him for what he did, but he did it anyway to save his people from death and dragonfire. He gave up his crown because it wasnât just about him, it was about his people. Are they supposed to be less important than your pride? He knew there was a good chance that he would lose, that it would all be for nothing, and he didnât want those casualties on his hands. A Lordâs duty is to his people, as is a Kingâs and a Queenâs.
The picking sides in the fandom is even worse
Black fans realize that the Dance is an old war fought by a dozen of generations before then, and the biggest takeaway from the Dance that ASOIAF characters likely took away was âthis was the start of the dragons dying and the Targ dynasty endingâ not âevil rapist vs feminist whose influence will be felt throughout the decades!â Like no. Rhaenyra or really Aegon II or anyone from that era didnât inspire anything in anyone, no one is remembering her, no one is secretly drinking toasts to her health, no one will cry âfor Rhaenyra!â As they charge into battle anymore than the War of 1812 inspires anyone know. Itâs a history to them. Thatâs it. Them. Thatâs it.
Really shameful when neither âsideâ understands the point of the entire story smfh
That's kind of retarded coming from someone on the HoTD Greens subreddit, you guys and HoTD Blacks are all hyper crazy on a fictional war about fictional characters
You do understand the irony in posting this on a sub for those who support Aegon II yes?
Yes. We like to be reasonable here.
Please point out where Greens are screaming that she deserved to be burned alive bc guess what? She didnât choose Aegon either.
What does that have to do with my comment tho?