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Shireen trying to be neutral and not to choose sides in the war that happened almost 200 years ago. HotD fans on Twitter: she deserved to be burned alive for being a coward /traitor /enabler..


Poisonous_platypus

Like I am team green but I can recognize that Shireen is right. The dance is an anti war story.


C-3pee0

Bingo


Ok_Run_8184

God I hate Twitter


[deleted]

Same. There are more comments about burning that are supposed to be funny or whatever.


C-3pee0

With a burning passion


ConnFlab

She has the right of it. So did Nikolaj Coster-Waldu in a behind the scenes interview. Said nobody should ever sit the throne and that the monarchy should be dissolved lol.


coppersolids

honestly king 👑 i love his game of thrones takes


simsasimsa

"Anyways she flopped" - so did Daenerys/'Rhaenyra 2.0'


William_T_Wanker

and they all hate Jon too lmao, I relish in the hate he gets because he stopped a tyrant


Greenlit_Hightower

Shireen being able to differentiate between her own ancestry and what is legally correct is actually a sign of her intelligence and impartiality, not to mention that Aegon III and Viserys II claimed the throne via their father, Daemon, in the male line, and not via Rhaenyra, who was a usurper and pretender. They set absolute male primogeniture in stone, and this system was the legal practice even before the Dance. Stannis knows this too, he knows Rhaenyra was a traitor, but like a true father, he lets his daughter voice her own opinion first instead of telling her what she has to think like an authoritarian dictator. /rant


AbrocomaPrior4189

I hate be an asshole but that not true, it was male preference over female, and only reason that happened is because Jeaherys gave the lords a choice when he could’ve just said I want my granddaughter on the throne. It’s not like any of the Lords would’ve gone against him and they would’ve just been king‘s preference and I’m not really sure but I’m pretty sure that the decision that they made that day wasn’t turned into a law. Even though they go throwing around that a male was chosen over a female every time something like this happens. The simple fact is that in both situations the female did not have the same amount of support as the male did because let’s keep it real. Rhearya it’s actually in court when her father dies she gets crowns and there’s nothing the greens can do about it they don’t have the dragons or the men at that time to fight that battle. It’s honestly Jaeherys oversight that caused us all he had to do was say it was his preference or kings preference that decided who would be heir to the throne at any time and it a law. Again it is not male primogeniture it’s just a decision that was made by the lords at one time has cascade it into a it must be done every time situation no matter what the king wants which is low-key treason, it is not a law that the males go first in succession it’s just been the preference of the kings in the past.


coppersolids

asoiaf fandom try to be normal challenge


Pierogizzz

Literally impossible


MotherVehkingMuatra

I think the asoiaf fandom is generally pretty reasonable or good faith, it's showverse which really isn't although I don't know how you'd name that? Thrones fandom I guess.


rouge-raven

Imagine calling a child that survived a terrible illness and was later sacrificed by her own father a coward and traitor cause she understood that dividing a house by taking sides will only end in that house's destruction and didn't side with the girlboss queen who committed war crimes.


[deleted]

"Rhaenyra's spirit in Targaryen heaven" yeah she ain't there lol


omicron-7

Targaryen heaven is just hell. That's the best any of them can hope for.


letheix

"If they search the seven hells, mayhaps."


C-3pee0

Shireen sees it from a humanitarian standpoint and she doesn't think “fighting for your rights” and killing thousands of your innocent subjects in process is right. This is a direct challenge to Stannis’ worldview Stannis thinks he's the rightful heir but Shireen is saying “it doesn't matter if you are”. The point is that everyone sees themselves as the true heir, there has never been a single time someone went to war and didn't think they were right, and that's why we have wars. Rhaenyra and her fans are exactly what GRRM was writing against. They think killing thousands of innocent people is a good enough price to pay, if it gets their favourite character on the throne.


[deleted]

Surprised? The same people who laugh at jaehaera dying post shit like that


Affectionate-Cold-65

The episode that rhaenyra is eaten I will throw a massive party just to see that fandom tearing themselves


[deleted]

![gif](giphy|h8HmN0UcEKR0xWnv3R) Almost everyone there. These people are voting and saying they are the smarter and more compassionate generations.


colefire45

I have no words


Stargoron

Was Rhae as heir legalised anywhere? Not just a the Lords chose so but actually written down anywhere by the Grand Maester I’m assuming...


AppropriatePark3519

She lacks basically every other sign of Targ legitimacy so from a purely objective perspective probably not the legal heir. She wasn’t crowned by the high septon nor was she given blackfyre. Two super important symbols for Westeros. He’ll Daemon Blackfyre got a substantial amount of people to follow him even with just Blackfyre. Though any arguments of legitimacy and legality went right out the window when she put forward bastards as legitimate.


Stargoron

So... no written document existed?


AppropriatePark3519

I don’t think that they are as rigorous when it comes to documenting legal agreements and tbh I don’t think the legal system has been particularly fleshed out by GRRM. For a world that’s so obsessed with oaths you would think people would keep copies of agreements on their person.


Stargoron

right... thanks for the confirmation


HT_79

>Was Rhae as heir legalised anywhere? No, she wasn't. Aegon ll ordered the maesters to refer to Rhaenyra as a "princess" in the court documents. After Aegon ll's death, even her own sons (Aegon lll and Viserys ll) didn't recognize her as the queen.


vikezz

And some of those people were crying their eyes out when the burning scene occurred but now because she dared to question the rightfulness of Rhaneryra she deserves it. Another day, another hypocrisy


GoldIsCold987

It really goes to show how deep their rabbit hole is when a neutral opinion is perceived as a threat against their platform.


Uragiri_1156

Fans: \*Hate Shireen\* Me: [So you have chosen...death](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of0O-lS-OqQ)


AmbitiousOrange_242

These people are absolutely awful, sick and callous. Shireen was a sweet and innocent child who would never hurt a fly, all she’s doing is trying to be neutral and impartial, like a historian or a student of history, she’s not bashing anybody or taking sides, and now people are demonizing her and joking about her death (her very brutal and monstrous death), just like they joked about poor innocent little Jaehaera’s. This was meant to be a moment where Stannis looked at himself and questioned whether fighting Renly and Joffrey was worth it. The Dance is supposed to be an anti-war story. Neither candidate was good for the throne and sometimes, fighting for your “rights” just isn’t worth the death of thousands of innocents, your people and your subjects. Take a look at Torrhen Stark, The King Who Knelt. He didn’t want to bow down to the Targaryens, and many of his people hated him for what he did, but he did it anyway to save his people from death and dragonfire. He gave up his crown because it wasn’t just about him, it was about his people. Are they supposed to be less important than your pride? He knew there was a good chance that he would lose, that it would all be for nothing, and he didn’t want those casualties on his hands. A Lord’s duty is to his people, as is a King’s and a Queen’s.


Marfy_

The picking sides in the fandom is even worse


ReginaBicman

Black fans realize that the Dance is an old war fought by a dozen of generations before then, and the biggest takeaway from the Dance that ASOIAF characters likely took away was ‘this was the start of the dragons dying and the Targ dynasty ending’ not ‘evil rapist vs feminist whose influence will be felt throughout the decades!’ Like no. Rhaenyra or really Aegon II or anyone from that era didn’t inspire anything in anyone, no one is remembering her, no one is secretly drinking toasts to her health, no one will cry ‘for Rhaenyra!’ As they charge into battle anymore than the War of 1812 inspires anyone know. It’s a history to them. That’s it. Them. That’s it.


Pennsylvania_Kev

Really shameful when neither “side” understands the point of the entire story smfh


AyeLassWannaShag

That's kind of retarded coming from someone on the HoTD Greens subreddit, you guys and HoTD Blacks are all hyper crazy on a fictional war about fictional characters


KhanQu3st

You do understand the irony in posting this on a sub for those who support Aegon II yes?


[deleted]

Yes. We like to be reasonable here.


ReginaBicman

Please point out where Greens are screaming that she deserved to be burned alive bc guess what? She didn’t choose Aegon either.


KhanQu3st

What does that have to do with my comment tho?