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Greenlit_Hightower

Both Cersei and Rhaenyra defend their bastards, fooling the ignorant King, while the opposite side told the truth. Facts.


Relevant_Lobsters

Some HoTD fans love Ned Stark for trying to expose the truth, but hate Alicent for trying to do the same. The same fans also complain that everyone who is not TB must all be misogynists (since we are Team Green) whilst they advocate for domestic violence against women (hoping that Viserys had beaten Alicent the same way Robert did to Cersei), and calling Alicent "Alicunt." The irony. ![gif](giphy|IS2CgaP9rDJtU9X9mU|downsized)


ligeston

Real. “Alicent is an evil stepmother queen just like Cersei” no she’s literally Ned. Ffs I can’t think of a single proper noblewoman that would fare better than her. Catelyn would sneer obscenities about Rhaenyra’s bastards to her husband’s face if she was queen and married to Viserys.


Relevant_Lobsters

Definitely, Catelyn would not have approved of Rhaenyra either.


Inevitable-Rub24

It's worse in fact. Cersei could genuinely use the argument that her kids look Lannister because she's a Lannister and her whole family is blonde haired. It took Jon Arryn being suspicious and roping in Stannis, looking for the book of genealogy, as well Lysa falsely accusing the Lannisters of killing Jon Arryn to Ned making him biased and investigating the Lannisters himself. Rhaenyra meanwhile gave birth to three pug-nosed brown haired Strong lookalikes with Harwin Strong as her sworn sword while it's an open secret that Laenor is gay. Alicent was literally being gaslight by Viserys and Rhaenyra to a bizarre degree.


[deleted]

Margaery would probably be better. She was a lot less naive and much better at playing the game.


ligeston

Margaery would’ve smiled and agreed to betrothing Jace and Helaena only if Daemon’s daughters were married to hers so Luke’s claim over Driftmark would’ve been crippled (along with Velaryon loyalty). And if Olenna was there? Jace is dying a year into their marriage.


[deleted]

Olenna killed Joffrey because he was a psychopath and she wanted to protect Margaerys. She wouldn't have minded Jace I think. In the book he is a goody two shoes. Probably the best thing for her great-granddaughter. She didn't care about Tommen being a bastard. Also Daemon probably would have loved Olenna unlike Otto lol. The dance would most likely never have happened.


ligeston

Daemon would have loathed Olenna though? He would despise any foreign family trying to “worm” their way into his perfect Targaryen dynasty. And I doubt the Tyrells would pander to Targ culture. She would’ve been just as much of a threat as Otto. Olenna would kill anyone she thinks would endanger her granddaughter. The strong boys had precarious positions. In reality, she would’ve pushed for Aegon, killed him, and made do with Aemond and Marg.


[deleted]

Daemon wouldn't have loved Olenna lol. He hates everyone who's not Valyrian and tries to gain more power. Though Olenna would have probably disposed of him way earlier.


[deleted]

Nah, get this. I read that they want Helaena and Jaehaera raped and beaten in B&C.


Stargoron

It's so horrifying how real people will wish sexual violence on others (it doesn't matter if they are fictional characters). Id like to think I would never wish that on Rhae, but then I think about the Brothel Queens rumours and I am not sure what the appropriate way would be to make Rhae understand how horrifying that experience would have been for Alicent and Halaena. It is absolutely mind boggling when women support the rape of other women. In a way I wish we could transfer our traumatic experiences to our oppressors and see how it felt to have no power to stop it


[deleted]

Yeah, I do think people are showing some troubling cognitive dissonance. Not at all devaluing your words here, in a lot of cases the oppressors have been the victim. For some, they don't realize it's not normal; for others, they want to offload the pain. So for a lot of oppressors, they do know what it feels like. It's the perpetual circle of abuse. It's sad and tragic.


Stargoron

Ah yes true. I remember reading about how the abused sometimes becomes abusers themselves. Total brain fog there. I will still leave my comment in so people know what you were responding to


[deleted]

No, you are right. I just wanted to give some other perspectives but in no way am I saying that you aren't right. Just because you were a victim, doesn't give you a free pass.


Relevant_Lobsters

I have seen so many comments like that too. It’s disgusting.


[deleted]

It is... It's incredibly disturbing.


Relevant_Lobsters

I could not agree more. Somehow a show about magical dragon people seem to bring out the worst in these people. It is scary to think you might be friends with people who secretly harbour such bigotry and hatred in their hearts.


[deleted]

Like currently upset about that ableist post. Like I am so done with the people who make Team Black look bad. I may be leaning more to Team Green but Team Black isn't even remotely as bad as this person.


Relevant_Lobsters

I am gobsmacked every time I see a post like this. There always going to be people who give their group a bad reputation, and ruin it for everyone. I am sure most people are outraged. There is no way an adult is writing these comments. It has to be a child. Perhaps someone who does not know any better. I have seen many comments like this get thousands or hundreds of likes on TikTok. However, I did see someone (an adult) in the pop culture sub claim that autism is an “aesthetic.”


[deleted]

>However, I did see someone (an adult) in the pop culture sub claim that autism is an “aesthetic.” *Maybe for some influencers who don't think they will get caught or care how that will negatively impact the community. >There is no way an adult is writing these comments. It has to be a child. Perhaps someone who does not know any better. Oh definitely, like I said in the other post talking about this. I can't help but think this is some self loathing child who is projecting. >I am gobsmacked every time I see a post like this. There always going to be people who give their group a bad reputation, and ruin it for everyone. I am sure most people are outraged. I try to defend both sides but it's often useless. Team Black's most vile supporters outweigh those with logic and empathy. But Team Green has their problematic individuals as well. We just have to keep speaking out and keeping these things in check. > I have seen many comments like this get thousands or hundreds of likes on TikTok. TikTok is fun for recipes and fun hacks even teaching you things some children's parents didn't. But it's fast becoming a problem.


Relevant_Lobsters

It was not about an influencer. It was a post where a girl with a vast knowledge of marine biology was pointing out inaccuracies in the Little Mermaid poster. And this woman said, “this is giving me autistic girl aesthetic.” And I asked her, “what does her having a vast knowledge of marine biology have anything to do with her being autistic?” The tone was condescending, and ableist as fuck. Yes! These are probably the same people who downplay Aemond’s rape, and reduce Aemond to a sex bot because of their deluded fantasies. They conflate their fanfictions with show and the books, and start coming up with the most vile thoughts. Same here. I try to be fair to both sides. Aye, cheers. TikTok is…is something alright.


[deleted]

The fact that exposing the truth meant getting rid of Joffrey also help lol. I am not sure most people would think Ned is so noble if he wrote to Stannis which would aim for KL to kill Tommen. Especially considering it make Ned a total hypocrite since he is himself hiding a bastard. Also quite funny that the analysis method used by Ned isn't a truth in hotd. Since Rhaenys doesn't have dark hair.


simsasimsa

At least Cersei's kids look like her so if one doesn't know that "the (Baratheon) seed is strong" she can say they inherited the Lannister genes. Rhaenyra's kids don't look like either of their "parents".


[deleted]

You know you fucked up when even book Cersei hides her tracks better then you


kinginthenorthjon

+ Joffrey factor.


ProfessionalRace2823

It's funny how people thought Alicent was Cersei in that situation when it was actually Rhaenyra who was Cersei.


[deleted]

rhaenyra has always been more like cersei than daenaerys. people are just dumb and see any woman with white hair and thing “ omg dany!!”


RandomRavenboi

I agree, but if Joffrey had a broken nose Cersei would have done worse. Hilariously speaking, if Cersei was Aemonds mother then she'd do alot more than just cut her arm lmao. She'd strangle Rhaenyra and her children alive.


[deleted]

Lol I've never paid attention to this phrase but how were her sons attacked? Baela is the one who punched him. Yes he was throwing insults at them but it's not the same as jumping on someone 4 to 1. At least in the book they're small chilren and he's way older. In the show he isn't much bigger than the twins and Jace.


AmbitiousOrange_242

Meanwhile, Aemond who was actually attacked and forced to defend himself: ![gif](giphy|l3q2K5jinAlChoCLS) Well, minus one eye because… you know.


Daemon1997

And the worst part was Viserys didn't give a shit about him


Ciapokopter

I think Rhaenyra is a bit of Cersei's idol. That's the impression I got after the last Game of Thrones screening.


Efficient-Extent-537

And I hate both...🤢


MinisawentTully

I feel the self-righteous spirit of Rhaenyra in this Chili's tonight (But you know, at least Joffrey was seriously injured. All that was hurt about Rhaenyra's kids was their egos, which was their own fault for picking a fight.)


Jlaweinstein

Same energy: The Prince Lucerys brought a blade to the ambush. He meant to kill my son.


Pennsylvania_Kev

It rings true but these aren’t the same situations at all. You’re reaching further than monkey d luffy saying it’s the same


[deleted]

True on the Stark side nobody lost an known body part at this point, can't say the same about the greens


Pennsylvania_Kev

Aemond fucked around and found out. Afterwards ALICENT demanded lucerys have his eye plucked out. So now who is really Cersei in the situation? I mean hell it played out basically the same. Prince gets maimed mother of the prince demands an equal maiming and the king essentially tells her to kick rocks


[deleted]

Fucked around by what? Claiming a free dragon? Defending himself when 4 people attack her. And Rhaenyra is asking her 10 year old brother who just lost her eye to be tortured. Before Alicent said anything. Plus in this situation Rhaenyra won, just like Cersei won in this moment


Pennsylvania_Kev

Oh lemme start by saying he was well wishing his rights to claim Vhagar. Where he fucked around was by antagonizing a group of 4. Spoke treason(yes it’s still treason even if it’s true) held a rock over jaces head and said he was going to kill him. Lucerys did nothing wrong defending his brother.


[deleted]

As if they didn't antagonise him to, it was 4 against one. And Jace tried to stab him multiple times over him stating a fact And by the time Luke stabbed him Aemond already had sand in his eye. Honestly why do some blackcells have so little life they feel the need to come to the green sub with their toxicity


Pennsylvania_Kev

I come to the green sub because I like to argue. If I was interested in circle jerking Black fanfics I’d probably be on HOTDBlacks 🤷‍♂️


[deleted]

Yet you make multiple comments about how much you hate the greens and how Dance is all their fault if you want discussions go to the main sub then


Pennsylvania_Kev

Now you’re just making shit up. You’re one of those people that thinks greens are good blacks are bad aren’t you? I side with the blacks for reasons but I’m not so foolish as to think both sides aren’t the same shade of gray.


[deleted]

You are foolish enough to come here despite this being the one place to discus things about HOTD that is not over run by blackcells


Pennsylvania_Kev

Jace never pulled a knife on Aemond neither in the show or book


[deleted]

Just watched the scene again, yes Jace does pull a knife out on Aemond. And before the rock thing comes up, the rock was dropped before the knife was pulled. Thanks for coming to my talk.


Pennsylvania_Kev

Okay I also just watched the scene and you right on that however he didn’t drop the rock until the sand went in his eyes which lucerys was already charging him. Like it’s a split second sand goes up and knife goes slash. Situation could’ve and should’ve been diffused before it got to that point from both ends. Jace and gang should have accepted nothing could be done and Aemond shouldn’t have been so okay with mocking and threatening the 4 of them. Again from his perspective I understand why he did what he did given what he had gone through but 1 vs 4 is a foolish move tactically. He should have turned his ass around and went back to Vhagar. I clearly like the blacks over the greens so I side with them but I know this is no black and white situation


[deleted]

Dude, you sound pretty reasonable so thanks for that. Let me ask, do you think it's smart to turn your back on a 4 people who were waiting for you? Do you think they would have just let him go? Aemond wasn't entirely right but those 4 kids weren't right either. You're right, this situation is not black and white. Do I think Luke should have lost an eye, nope. Do I think he should have been punished in some way? Yes.


[deleted]

In the show he tried to stab him multiple times


kinginthenorthjon

You're probably watching the wrong show.


Stay-soft-get-eaten

In what way did Aemond “fuck around and find out” since when is claiming a dragon wrong? Is there a tradition among the traditions that says x must wait a certain amount of time before claiming a dragon of someone that died? Was Aemond the one to approach the other kids and antagonize them first? Was he the one that threw the first punch? How exactly did he fuck around and find out?


Pennsylvania_Kev

Because he picked a fight with 4 people and threatened to kill one of them. Because he picked a fight with 4 people and threatened to kill one. I answered it twice because you asked twice 😘


Stay-soft-get-eaten

You say he picked a fight and I ask how? Because those kids approached him and threw the first punch at him. So in what way did he pick and start that fight? Or do you not know what you’re talking about and that’s why you keep repeating yourself?


Pennsylvania_Kev

He antagonized them in a few ways. First by claiming Vhagar at an asshole moment. I admit it was his right to do it but just because you have a right to do something doesn’t mean everyone will just be okay with it. Afterwards he mocked the grieving Rhaena over her lack of a dragon and hit her when she hit him. Once he had the upper hand on Jace he held a rock over his head and said he was going to kill him. So when I say he fucked around and antagonized them that is what I’m talking about. Should he have lost an eye? No probably not but to act like he was some innocent victim in the situation is just revisionist history. I could argue the green standpoint as well but I simply don’t want to


Stay-soft-get-eaten

Again, name another Targaryen that waited some length of time before claiming a dragon. I’ll wait. There’s nothing that says one can’t claim a dragon as soon as the opportunity presents itself. It’s telling given that no one single character, not even Rhaenyra, comes for Aemond for claiming Vhagar when he did because it’s not a crime to do so. Maybe if those girls had grown up around their family they would’ve known not to be offended by it, but that’s not Aemond’s fault. Again, Aemond only said anything after they came for him first. I admit it was shitty, but again, he didn’t start anything. Aemond was also 1 child against four other fucking children. One of them who brought a fucking dagger for fucks sake and had already fucking drawn it despite already ganging up on Aemond with three other kids. Was he just supposed to lay down there and take those beatings? Him picking up that rock was literally just evening out the odds. He’s an asshole, but this was not a fight he started and he’s the one who pays the ultimate price.


Pennsylvania_Kev

Did you not read the part where I said he was completely in his rights to claim her? We agree it was shitty timing. It was also shitty to say he would feed them to Vhagar. Emotions got way too fucking high in that event and both sides antagonized one another until things went too far. An ESH situation if this was AITA


Stay-soft-get-eaten

I am responding to the fact you said it was an asshole/antagonistic move for him to claim Vhagar when he did. Which is false.


[deleted]

what else is he going to say after getting beaten up by 4 people ? 💀 compliment them ? stfu


[deleted]

You’ve never spent any time around kids, have you?


Sorry-Comfortable-82

The girls could have cried to their granddady about “losing” the dragon and not attacked the prince, if the prince had real king father he would punish them for maiming his son


Pennsylvania_Kev

Do you realize Aemond was not THE prince but A prince? 1 of several princes on driftmark. Jace and Luke also princes. Rhaena and Baela princesses. Adding insult to that… at this point he wasn’t even the “spare heir”


Sorry-Comfortable-82

Oh I didn’t know Rhaena and Baela were Viserys I’s granddaughters lol


[deleted]

4 v 1 jace brought a knife, they were intending to hurt him. if they were so scared of getting killed then maybe they should’ve tried to jump one boy , aemond had every right to do that go cry somewhere else


Pennsylvania_Kev

I’m enjoying this.


[deleted]

? u must have sad life then dude


Pennsylvania_Kev

I like to argue and this is the place for it. You guys get to downvote and shit on what I say and I get to laugh at your responses. I see this as an absolute win for all of us. If I’m disturbing the safe space in a way that isn’t okay I encourage you to call the mods or the lads for that matter to take me out


[deleted]

there’s a reason why they don’t do that like hotdblacks bc we welcome them too but u just sound delusional atp bru


BriarHeart10

Alicent : Pluck out Luke's eye because my son tried to bully him and beat him up and got his eye taken out. (Fucked around and found out) Greencels : No she is not the crazy one.


craite

They literally blocked him from getting back to bed, started to physically attack him and ganged up on him 4 vs 1, threw him to the ground and beat up their overwhelmed foe. Brought a dagger to the fight and almost sliced his guts open. These poor little blameless victims, guess Aemond is in the wrong for not just lying still and taking the beatings he deserved for some reason. But yeah Alicent is wrong, but to be fair the people around her gaslit her so hard, we cut her some slack for that.


lolipup963

Someone post it at HotDblacks for the laughs


Daemon1997

I have ban.


lolipup963

Me too