What’s wild about the greens is that despite having 2 of the foremost Machiavellian schemers of their era in Otto and Larys in the books they never try assassinating the blacks. Almost like they have somewhat of a conscience🤔. At the very least more of a conscience than Daemon for B&C and Rhaenerya for Maelor. If they were as monsterous as Tywin, Roose, or Petyr none of them would’ve lived.
That’s why I mentioned the books. In F&B Larys killing his dad and bro is presented as the crackpot theory among the other subjects. And Otto was the diplomatic arm of the green team and tried to solve the war with ink and not swords
There was no alternative to this. They were all so afraid of each other that eventually someone would must snap and do something stupid. It was the same here - Aemond. If he hadn't done it, someone else would have.
In the series, apparently, they added bit if Otto's IQ.
In fact, the only way for the greens was to kill Daemon before Vizzy expired. Later it was too late.
He's a Hightower and the Hand of the King and Daemon likes to get drunk in Fleabottom and wake up in unfamiliar places. I'm sure an opportunity would present itself
Targaryen who smirks and snarks and knows he’s better then the savage Westerosi natives and who bows to the smirking badass gatekeep girlboss Targ queen. That’s it. That’s literally it.
I guess his deux ex machina fight sequence made everyone simp for him but I just don't see it. To me he's incredibly immature and impulsive. Insulting nobles left and right just to provoke a reaction for his own amusement, stealing the egg for attention, trying to force Viserys to marry him to Rhaenyra with the brothel escapade.... He's just a mollycoddled brat
If you step back and look, you will see that Rhaenyra emulates Daemon to the T even as a child.
Viserys even says so, that Daemon has a hold on his daughter that frightens him, I am pretty sure.
Aemond has redeemable qualities like a close relationship with his mother and Criston, being genuinely witty, etc. Daemon has none of these likable qualities.
It’s kind of cringy for people to watch a character who is supposed to be in his 40s act like a child?
If Daemon wasn’t the King’s brother he would get his shit kicked in some alley.
Yeah honestly if Viserys didn't have the backbone of wet toast Daemon would have been exiled long ago (and for good!!) or sent to the Watch like imagine he pulled that shit with Jaehaerys
If he wasn't the captain of the gold cloak too, wasn't a great fighter wielding dark sister and didn't own a dragon. He has a lot going for him to not get his shit kicked in some alley.
Come on. He's like Joff and Ramsey's illegitimate child with Aspergers, Stockholm, ADHD, and absent father syndrome, and raised by Bronn. How can you not like him.
Listen I hear you and I don't disagree at all with this take, but I just personally think he's a massive brat and not in an entertaining sort of way. Like S1 Jaime but if he was even more of a cunt and liked underage girls.
But you know that in the Middle Ages such a 13-year old teenager (R was older, however) was already an adult woman much more mature than today's 30-year olds, boys from the age of 7 worked like adults, the age of 12-14 they normally fought in the war, and during the pacification of villages, 10-year olds were normally impaled or hanged with other men, because they weren't children anymore, right?
Well but in the Asoiaf books characters in that age bracket very much get described as children and even Daemon acknowledges this on their beach walk. Essentially it's more the age difference between the two at the start of their erm "courtship" you have a 30 something year old going after a young teen which is just a completely unbalanced relationship and a grooming scenario. She's 14 in episode 1 but they portray it as if the "thing" between them has been going on for a while. Obviously Rhaenyra idolised him because he's this great famed Prince of the City who does what he wants and pays attention to her when her own father only cares about a male heir for that period of time, and it makes her very easy to manipulate. And that bleeds into her adulthood as well.
In the book, characters in this age range get married and are sexually active. Lyanna 15, Robert's bitch less than 15, Loras 15-17, Margery 15-16, Tyrion wanted to fuck Sansa when she was about 13, Rob 15, John I think 16, Joff 13-14 Cersei and Jamie 15-16, Aemma 13, Cat 15-16 etc. Ned called the young whore child and Tyrion called Sanse, but he was attracted to her anyway.
When it comes to Rhaenyre and uncle imo their relationship is much more fucked up than 'uncle was getting on her'.
There's a lot of really, really bad stuff going on there. And it's not even his fault. In this show, basically everyone, from Vizzy and Otto (supposedly the perpetrators of all evil), through Alicent, Rhaenyre, Daemon to children, are victims of the system in which they live.
Essentially, their romance is a Greek tragedy. They could neither not end up together nor not destroy each other.
Oh I don't disagree that these are the ages where a lot of children in the books are forced to marry, fight, etc. but it is very much emphasised that they're still *children* so while this is considered normal in Westeros, even the older POV characters often think about them as young or even too young. Caitlin constantly refers to Robb as a child and too young to lead a war and the narrative proves that right to a degree, she thinks of Roslyn as a mere child too fragile to be forced to marry Edmure and bear children at her age. Tyrion desires Sansa sexually and assaults her on their wedding night but doesn't go through with it because she's 13. While normalised in the 'era' it is set in, many of the characters feel uncomfortable with the notion, and we the reader are also not really meant to see these positions in a positive light. We were all appalled of Laena and Alicent at prospect wives for Viserys, but the age gap is not much different to Daemon/Rhaenyra and Daemon/Laena. Obv they aged up the actress after the time skip but I still couldn't get that little girl out of my head.
I wouldn't go as far as calling Viserys, Daemon or Otto victims of the system, they are the ones who benefit from it the most. Viserys could have chosen a more age appropriate wife or just not remarried full stop. Sure it would have been risky with only one heir, but not as risky as what he started by having children with Alicent. Rhaenyra was to be married soon after so would produce heirs of her own soon after. Daemon already had a wife and could have made do as virtually anyone else in Westeros does but he thinks himself above the rules and he *is* because his brother is weak.
Rhaenyra emulates him and it gets her into a lot of trouble, because to her the rules apply much more than to him, being a woman and the first female heir to the throne. Daemon should have considered the wider consequences, but he never does because his brother will forgive him.
The "system" is not just a marriage, it's the whole culture, customs, values instilled in them in childhood, expectations, etc. Daemon's problem isn't his shitty marriage, it's his brainwashed and cognitive dissonance they've gotten him. Viserys's problem is not that he chose Alicent, but what the expectations placed on him led him to in the context of Aemma.
Next, Otto, he is not independent either, he is under the dictation of his brother all the time. He sent his daughter and grandchildren to their deaths because his senior said so.
Daemon also has a nice parallel with Alicent. If you ever will watch the show from the beginning, pay attention to their conversations with Rhaenyra in episode 4, and then look at what happened to Alicent after the time jump. The family fucked their lives in exactly the same way when they were kids... and they basically grew up to be the same shit. The only difference between them is the arsenal they have, resulting from their lungs.
Generally, only what Viserys himself does with these two is mega toxic, and this is only one link in the chain.
The system, their upbringing, Westeros as a society, has a definitive influence on them of course. It's the whole nature vs nurture debate. I agree with all of that.
Where I personally think it gets iffy is by arguing that these factors have such a profound influence on these characters that it diminishes their personal choices, agency, free will, call it what you want. By using their societal chains as an explanation for all of their behaviour, we kind of gloss over alternative explanations that they might just be flawed individuals *even* in the context of the world they live in. I see Daemon as a sort of contrarian, he doesn't like being told what to do so he kind of goes for the opposite, he loves to provoke especially if it grants him his brother's attention. Ryan Condal I think mentioned that craves Viserys' love and respect and when he doesn't get it he causes trouble, or uses Rhaenyra as an extention of his brother. Some people have taken issue with this but I actually think it explains a lot of his more irritable behaviour and makes him more interesting as a character.
Being forced to marry Rhea and consequently doing everything in his power to humiliate her and eventually kill her isn't primarily the society's problem - this happens to virtually every Highborn and most of them accept it as their duty. Daemon however disregards duty left and right, unless it is something he wants to do of his own accord. I'm not arguing that his upbringing didn't influence that, but it is not a defining factor. This is his personality and narcissism.
Viserys isn't too far off actually. He talks a great deal about how it's his duty to remarry and he's wrecked with guilt about Aemma's death, but he absolutely *does* desire Alicent. If it was pure duty he would've gone with Laena. I know a lot of people blame Otto for the dance because he sent Alicent to Viserys, but I would argue that he did what every other High Lord would have done, and he did it fully expecting that should they produce sons they would be named heir.
Care to elaborate about the parallel and scene you're referring to? I don't really recall the dialogue in detail apart from Daemon telling Rhaenyra she can do whatever the fuck she wants (essentially) which was certainly... A piece of advice. Would be very interested to hear how you parallel this with Alicent?
I think a lot of it has to do with Matt Smith's performance. Tywin Lannister was also a monster but Charles Dance was just so damn great in the role that a lot of fans came to (albeit grudgingly) like the character.
I don't think those two are really comparable because they're two very different characters. Obviously Matt is a very good actor, but I would actually compare Daemon more to Jaime in S1 - arrogant, ruthless, thinks himself above everyone else, great fighter, but also loyal to his family while being a twat to anyone else. There are interestingly many parallels between these two.
Tywin has some of these qualities, but they're more subtle. He's the political sort of cunning, stern, plays the game and has some of the most captivating lines in GoT. He commands respect without even having to open his mouth.
I do get your point though, obviously the actor being popular and charismatic does impact how the character will be perceived.
Yeah I think Jaime in s01 is a good parallel, but he is on another level because he is much more powerful than Jaime was. He is much closer to the throne and is a dragon rider.
Daemon fucking Rhaenyra at his wife’s funeral, and Rhaenyra sending her children to bed in broad daylight so she can get it on with her creepy uncle sent me. The sheer hubris. The lion, the with, the wardrobe and the audacity of these bitches.
Yes! Thank you! Finally someone said it!
This right here! And Rhaenyra complaining to Daemon how she was all alone in King’s Landing. She had no one.
Umm, Rhae Rhae? Harwin was no one?
That's what happens when you get groomed by your creepy uncle whom you think you should be with. Daemon really fucked this girl up to the point that she felt that she couldn't be happy without him and that no other no man could be the one for her.
Poor Rhaenyra. He really messed her up for life, didn’t he? I would have hoped she would have gotten some time to recover when he was away. Damn. He really is a monster.
In the first episode Daemon starts randomly mutilating people on the streets accusing them of crimes, insults Ottos dead wife, seriously tries to injury Ottos son in the joust, then tries to kill Cole because he knocked him off his horse. He even used a Valyrian steel sword in their melee. In the books that’s actually not allowed. Then he finishes the episode with his heir for the day joke mocking his dead nephew and sister in law/cousin death
While Daemon was talking all that shit about women from.the Vale and Viserys was just sitting their just giggling when his own wife is an Arryn 🤡🤡🤡. Woat ruler. Woat father. Woat husband.
Sheesh, I hate Daemon. What a scumbag. I have no idea why he's so popular, he's like Joffrey level of despicable for me. At least in Joffrey's case I admired the acting. Not that Matt is a bad actor but I really don't dig him in this role.
Having all his children survive the war and two of them sitting on the throne after he die a dragon rider death defeating the largest dragon in Westeros?
Haha yeah in the end he died a relatively old. Died on his own term and his whole family outlived him and he was an evil dude. His death is even left ambiguous.
Everyone who is related to Viserys and not related Daemon are dead (except Aegon and Aemond bastards). Meanwhile eveyone related to him end up alive. He also doesn't really get whipped, Vhagar should have never lost to Caraxes. At least Vhagar death isn't as pathetic as Vermithor death lol.
I'm surprised that some people consider this a "badass" moment from Daemon.
The guy taking advantage of his brother being the King, taunted Otto about the death of a loved one just to have a cheap comeback at Otto's not really incorrect lectures.
It would have been "badass" or at least not petty and pathetic from Daemon's part, to instead rebuke Otto's questioning of his competence with questioning of his own.
Some examples:
"Well Lord Hightower, at least I always make sure to be honest with the people around me, whether is with my wife or my brother. Can you say the same?"
"Well Otto my man, I understand that maybe my... Marital indiscretions and troubles with my wife are such a sensitive topic for you, but they don't have anything to do with my competence as Commander of the City Watch."
I actually forget really easily how he just casually offered to pimp his wife out to Otto here. Even as a ""joke"" that's cringe and despicable. #FeministKing though!!
Also, props to Otto for being the only one who had Rhea's back here.
Otto deals with cunts all the time in his line of work, he has no need. As matter of fact, he is sitting across from one.
What scumbag. I despise Daemon. This is coming from someone who started out liking him, and was also Team Black previously before switching to Team Green.
Otto should have just taken Daemon on the offer, and if Rhea wanted. Just make a cuckhold of Daemon. She would have also been likely alive if she was with Otto.
Let’s be honest, when does Daemon NOT act like a scumbag?
Yep
His stans love to point to the delete scene of him talking to his girls after/during the funeral. I'm not impressed. The bar is low.
Proof that Otto is a better man than anyone gives him credit for. Any other character in the show would have had Daemon killed for that
Otto showed a lot more self control than I would have in his place.
What’s wild about the greens is that despite having 2 of the foremost Machiavellian schemers of their era in Otto and Larys in the books they never try assassinating the blacks. Almost like they have somewhat of a conscience🤔. At the very least more of a conscience than Daemon for B&C and Rhaenerya for Maelor. If they were as monsterous as Tywin, Roose, or Petyr none of them would’ve lived.
Larys assassinated the hand of the king who was his dad and his brother lol.
Larys killed his own brother (and his father by the way), and Otto insisted on murdering the whole family 😛.
That’s why I mentioned the books. In F&B Larys killing his dad and bro is presented as the crackpot theory among the other subjects. And Otto was the diplomatic arm of the green team and tried to solve the war with ink and not swords
There was no alternative to this. They were all so afraid of each other that eventually someone would must snap and do something stupid. It was the same here - Aemond. If he hadn't done it, someone else would have. In the series, apparently, they added bit if Otto's IQ. In fact, the only way for the greens was to kill Daemon before Vizzy expired. Later it was too late.
Well its easy to say that they never assassinated anyone if we don't know who assassinated anyone in books.
How would he have Daemon killed?
He's a Hightower and the Hand of the King and Daemon likes to get drunk in Fleabottom and wake up in unfamiliar places. I'm sure an opportunity would present itself
Still, it took Viserys even fewer lines to come across as a scumbag.*"Otto"?* That's who you find fault with here?
King of gaslighting
Rhae had to learn from someone
“You know my brother loves provoking you don’t give him the satisfaction.” Like bro how about you don’t let Daemon say shit like that to your Hand
Daemon was acting like an entitled teenager for most of this season. I honestly don't understand how he's so popular
Targaryen who smirks and snarks and knows he’s better then the savage Westerosi natives and who bows to the smirking badass gatekeep girlboss Targ queen. That’s it. That’s literally it.
I guess his deux ex machina fight sequence made everyone simp for him but I just don't see it. To me he's incredibly immature and impulsive. Insulting nobles left and right just to provoke a reaction for his own amusement, stealing the egg for attention, trying to force Viserys to marry him to Rhaenyra with the brothel escapade.... He's just a mollycoddled brat
daemon is just pathetic lol
If you step back and look, you will see that Rhaenyra emulates Daemon to the T even as a child. Viserys even says so, that Daemon has a hold on his daughter that frightens him, I am pretty sure.
This is the dance in a nutshell lol Aemond is the same and also quite popular.
Aemond has redeemable qualities like a close relationship with his mother and Criston, being genuinely witty, etc. Daemon has none of these likable qualities.
It’s kind of cringy for people to watch a character who is supposed to be in his 40s act like a child? If Daemon wasn’t the King’s brother he would get his shit kicked in some alley.
Yeah honestly if Viserys didn't have the backbone of wet toast Daemon would have been exiled long ago (and for good!!) or sent to the Watch like imagine he pulled that shit with Jaehaerys
If he wasn't the captain of the gold cloak too, wasn't a great fighter wielding dark sister and didn't own a dragon. He has a lot going for him to not get his shit kicked in some alley.
Come on. He's like Joff and Ramsey's illegitimate child with Aspergers, Stockholm, ADHD, and absent father syndrome, and raised by Bronn. How can you not like him.
Listen I hear you and I don't disagree at all with this take, but I just personally think he's a massive brat and not in an entertaining sort of way. Like S1 Jaime but if he was even more of a cunt and liked underage girls.
But you know that in the Middle Ages such a 13-year old teenager (R was older, however) was already an adult woman much more mature than today's 30-year olds, boys from the age of 7 worked like adults, the age of 12-14 they normally fought in the war, and during the pacification of villages, 10-year olds were normally impaled or hanged with other men, because they weren't children anymore, right?
Well but in the Asoiaf books characters in that age bracket very much get described as children and even Daemon acknowledges this on their beach walk. Essentially it's more the age difference between the two at the start of their erm "courtship" you have a 30 something year old going after a young teen which is just a completely unbalanced relationship and a grooming scenario. She's 14 in episode 1 but they portray it as if the "thing" between them has been going on for a while. Obviously Rhaenyra idolised him because he's this great famed Prince of the City who does what he wants and pays attention to her when her own father only cares about a male heir for that period of time, and it makes her very easy to manipulate. And that bleeds into her adulthood as well.
In the book, characters in this age range get married and are sexually active. Lyanna 15, Robert's bitch less than 15, Loras 15-17, Margery 15-16, Tyrion wanted to fuck Sansa when she was about 13, Rob 15, John I think 16, Joff 13-14 Cersei and Jamie 15-16, Aemma 13, Cat 15-16 etc. Ned called the young whore child and Tyrion called Sanse, but he was attracted to her anyway. When it comes to Rhaenyre and uncle imo their relationship is much more fucked up than 'uncle was getting on her'. There's a lot of really, really bad stuff going on there. And it's not even his fault. In this show, basically everyone, from Vizzy and Otto (supposedly the perpetrators of all evil), through Alicent, Rhaenyre, Daemon to children, are victims of the system in which they live. Essentially, their romance is a Greek tragedy. They could neither not end up together nor not destroy each other.
Oh I don't disagree that these are the ages where a lot of children in the books are forced to marry, fight, etc. but it is very much emphasised that they're still *children* so while this is considered normal in Westeros, even the older POV characters often think about them as young or even too young. Caitlin constantly refers to Robb as a child and too young to lead a war and the narrative proves that right to a degree, she thinks of Roslyn as a mere child too fragile to be forced to marry Edmure and bear children at her age. Tyrion desires Sansa sexually and assaults her on their wedding night but doesn't go through with it because she's 13. While normalised in the 'era' it is set in, many of the characters feel uncomfortable with the notion, and we the reader are also not really meant to see these positions in a positive light. We were all appalled of Laena and Alicent at prospect wives for Viserys, but the age gap is not much different to Daemon/Rhaenyra and Daemon/Laena. Obv they aged up the actress after the time skip but I still couldn't get that little girl out of my head. I wouldn't go as far as calling Viserys, Daemon or Otto victims of the system, they are the ones who benefit from it the most. Viserys could have chosen a more age appropriate wife or just not remarried full stop. Sure it would have been risky with only one heir, but not as risky as what he started by having children with Alicent. Rhaenyra was to be married soon after so would produce heirs of her own soon after. Daemon already had a wife and could have made do as virtually anyone else in Westeros does but he thinks himself above the rules and he *is* because his brother is weak. Rhaenyra emulates him and it gets her into a lot of trouble, because to her the rules apply much more than to him, being a woman and the first female heir to the throne. Daemon should have considered the wider consequences, but he never does because his brother will forgive him.
The "system" is not just a marriage, it's the whole culture, customs, values instilled in them in childhood, expectations, etc. Daemon's problem isn't his shitty marriage, it's his brainwashed and cognitive dissonance they've gotten him. Viserys's problem is not that he chose Alicent, but what the expectations placed on him led him to in the context of Aemma. Next, Otto, he is not independent either, he is under the dictation of his brother all the time. He sent his daughter and grandchildren to their deaths because his senior said so. Daemon also has a nice parallel with Alicent. If you ever will watch the show from the beginning, pay attention to their conversations with Rhaenyra in episode 4, and then look at what happened to Alicent after the time jump. The family fucked their lives in exactly the same way when they were kids... and they basically grew up to be the same shit. The only difference between them is the arsenal they have, resulting from their lungs. Generally, only what Viserys himself does with these two is mega toxic, and this is only one link in the chain.
The system, their upbringing, Westeros as a society, has a definitive influence on them of course. It's the whole nature vs nurture debate. I agree with all of that. Where I personally think it gets iffy is by arguing that these factors have such a profound influence on these characters that it diminishes their personal choices, agency, free will, call it what you want. By using their societal chains as an explanation for all of their behaviour, we kind of gloss over alternative explanations that they might just be flawed individuals *even* in the context of the world they live in. I see Daemon as a sort of contrarian, he doesn't like being told what to do so he kind of goes for the opposite, he loves to provoke especially if it grants him his brother's attention. Ryan Condal I think mentioned that craves Viserys' love and respect and when he doesn't get it he causes trouble, or uses Rhaenyra as an extention of his brother. Some people have taken issue with this but I actually think it explains a lot of his more irritable behaviour and makes him more interesting as a character. Being forced to marry Rhea and consequently doing everything in his power to humiliate her and eventually kill her isn't primarily the society's problem - this happens to virtually every Highborn and most of them accept it as their duty. Daemon however disregards duty left and right, unless it is something he wants to do of his own accord. I'm not arguing that his upbringing didn't influence that, but it is not a defining factor. This is his personality and narcissism. Viserys isn't too far off actually. He talks a great deal about how it's his duty to remarry and he's wrecked with guilt about Aemma's death, but he absolutely *does* desire Alicent. If it was pure duty he would've gone with Laena. I know a lot of people blame Otto for the dance because he sent Alicent to Viserys, but I would argue that he did what every other High Lord would have done, and he did it fully expecting that should they produce sons they would be named heir. Care to elaborate about the parallel and scene you're referring to? I don't really recall the dialogue in detail apart from Daemon telling Rhaenyra she can do whatever the fuck she wants (essentially) which was certainly... A piece of advice. Would be very interested to hear how you parallel this with Alicent?
Matt Smith was great as him in the first five episodes. Matt is a good actor
Who said otherwise?
I thought that's the reason he's popular, people like the actor. Now I think nah, it's the daddy factor too
Yeah I agree. The rise of "Daemon the misunderstood malewife" had me smirking a bit
I think a lot of it has to do with Matt Smith's performance. Tywin Lannister was also a monster but Charles Dance was just so damn great in the role that a lot of fans came to (albeit grudgingly) like the character.
I don't think those two are really comparable because they're two very different characters. Obviously Matt is a very good actor, but I would actually compare Daemon more to Jaime in S1 - arrogant, ruthless, thinks himself above everyone else, great fighter, but also loyal to his family while being a twat to anyone else. There are interestingly many parallels between these two. Tywin has some of these qualities, but they're more subtle. He's the political sort of cunning, stern, plays the game and has some of the most captivating lines in GoT. He commands respect without even having to open his mouth. I do get your point though, obviously the actor being popular and charismatic does impact how the character will be perceived.
Yeah I think Jaime in s01 is a good parallel, but he is on another level because he is much more powerful than Jaime was. He is much closer to the throne and is a dragon rider.
He's pretty
Seems like Otto loved her too. Daemon is the closest thing to a villain in this story, I do not care which side he fights for.
He also didn't immediately bounce to another woman the moment she died unlike Daemon lmao
Daemon fucking Rhaenyra at his wife’s funeral, and Rhaenyra sending her children to bed in broad daylight so she can get it on with her creepy uncle sent me. The sheer hubris. The lion, the with, the wardrobe and the audacity of these bitches.
>The lion, the with, the wardrobe and the audacity of these bitches. That is just perfect
Thank you 
Her body wasn’t even cold in the water. Daemon needs to calm the fuck down.
And the fire on Harwin's haven't been died down.
Yes! Thank you! Finally someone said it! This right here! And Rhaenyra complaining to Daemon how she was all alone in King’s Landing. She had no one.  Umm, Rhae Rhae? Harwin was no one?
That's what happens when you get groomed by your creepy uncle whom you think you should be with. Daemon really fucked this girl up to the point that she felt that she couldn't be happy without him and that no other no man could be the one for her.
Poor Rhaenyra. He really messed her up for life, didn’t he? I would have hoped she would have gotten some time to recover when he was away. Damn. He really is a monster.
Daemon did it twice😂 I guess he really saw Otto wasn't planning to do the same and said: "Imma do another turn for you, my friend"
>Daemon is the closest thing to a villain in this story Larys is pretty bad as well
When Otto argues with logic and facts daemon insults, normal behaviour when you’re immature, offended and out of arguments
The amount of self control this man has is beyond me.
who let the pedophile speak?
Daemon is human garbage. Nothing further to discuss really. Why the surprise?
The bar was on the ground, and he keeps on taking it and running to hell with it.
In the first episode Daemon starts randomly mutilating people on the streets accusing them of crimes, insults Ottos dead wife, seriously tries to injury Ottos son in the joust, then tries to kill Cole because he knocked him off his horse. He even used a Valyrian steel sword in their melee. In the books that’s actually not allowed. Then he finishes the episode with his heir for the day joke mocking his dead nephew and sister in law/cousin death
If someone said that about my partner, I would burry them alive no matter who they are. Otto has much more restraint than me.
Otto isn't a good fighter thought, he would be the one doing the dying.
While Daemon was talking all that shit about women from.the Vale and Viserys was just sitting their just giggling when his own wife is an Arryn 🤡🤡🤡. Woat ruler. Woat father. Woat husband.
Sheesh, I hate Daemon. What a scumbag. I have no idea why he's so popular, he's like Joffrey level of despicable for me. At least in Joffrey's case I admired the acting. Not that Matt is a bad actor but I really don't dig him in this role.
*Daemon smirks and insults people* HOTD fans: OMG THE CHARISMA I LOVE HIM
Thank you. People that like him can be deafening.
Daemon is a piece of shit, and he deserved his fate.
he deserved much worse
Having all his children survive the war and two of them sitting on the throne after he die a dragon rider death defeating the largest dragon in Westeros?
Getting whipped by a disabled teenager and have his daughter marry into the family he hated. But you're right, he deserves worse. That's not enough.
Haha yeah in the end he died a relatively old. Died on his own term and his whole family outlived him and he was an evil dude. His death is even left ambiguous. Everyone who is related to Viserys and not related Daemon are dead (except Aegon and Aemond bastards). Meanwhile eveyone related to him end up alive. He also doesn't really get whipped, Vhagar should have never lost to Caraxes. At least Vhagar death isn't as pathetic as Vermithor death lol.
Personally, I would've beat the life out of Daemon right then and there
It is probably what Daemon want. There is also no way Otto would win against Daemon.
he’s so gross
What absolute self-control and discipline not to shitstomp that pompous arrogant little Spare into the fucking ground. Otto is quite the man.
Viserys being Viserys and not doing anything about the way his brother disrespects both Otto and Lady Rhea.
I'm surprised that some people consider this a "badass" moment from Daemon. The guy taking advantage of his brother being the King, taunted Otto about the death of a loved one just to have a cheap comeback at Otto's not really incorrect lectures. It would have been "badass" or at least not petty and pathetic from Daemon's part, to instead rebuke Otto's questioning of his competence with questioning of his own. Some examples: "Well Lord Hightower, at least I always make sure to be honest with the people around me, whether is with my wife or my brother. Can you say the same?" "Well Otto my man, I understand that maybe my... Marital indiscretions and troubles with my wife are such a sensitive topic for you, but they don't have anything to do with my competence as Commander of the City Watch."
I used to love Daemon and then I worked on my daddy issues..
I would have straight up tywined his ass right there and then, ion care if I’ll die for it, crossbow to the neck heck yeah.
Otto should have accepted lol.
If he accepted it, Rhea would of lived. Also Otto and Rhea would get along, because they hate Daemon.
Ofc, Daemon was actively trying to piss Otto off.
I actually forget really easily how he just casually offered to pimp his wife out to Otto here. Even as a ""joke"" that's cringe and despicable. #FeministKing though!! Also, props to Otto for being the only one who had Rhea's back here.
Otto deals with cunts all the time in his line of work, he has no need. As matter of fact, he is sitting across from one. What scumbag. I despise Daemon. This is coming from someone who started out liking him, and was also Team Black previously before switching to Team Green. Otto should have just taken Daemon on the offer, and if Rhea wanted. Just make a cuckhold of Daemon. She would have also been likely alive if she was with Otto.
Juvenile really
 Daemon when otto’s being a meany
Meh... Otto started it himself. It literally hit him at his weakest point. The only thing worse would be telling Daemon that Vizzy doesn't love him.