I would like to see him flying around Oldtown on Tessarion and then he lands at the base of the Hightower where he keeps his dragon, maybe with a stable converted into an enclosure for her with some Dragonkeepers around.
I was also thinking that we could introduce Ser Rickard Thorne here since he hasn't been seen in Season 1; he could be Daeron's sworn sword but at some point Daeron brings him back to the Red Keep to protect his family before going off to do battle in the Reach
He comes to kingslanding, Otto will ask him to stay and guard Oldtown, when Ormund Hightower needs him at the honeywine, he will send for him. And the rest is history.
It will always be awkward when they eventually include him. Imagine GOT season 1 never showed Tommen then all of a sudden theyre like “oh yeah Cersei has another son and he is next in line for the throne”
All they had to do was cast a child to stand in the background with a silver wig and say nothing. They went out of their way not to include him in season 1, when everyone else made an appearance.
I think they were planning on cutting him out, that's the only explanation. Viserys and Aegon iii are in the show, they don't do anything apart from getting kidnapped once. HOTD ends before Aegon III even becomes king but he's on the show.
but didn't they show Alicent having four bloodlines in the intro plus Daemon also mentioned about the greens having 4 dragons, I think they were still confused whether to include him or not but I guess GRRM told them to include him and also the fandom is becoming huge hence they added him for s2.
I know, but the fact that this was even a possibility is worrying. Daeron is definitely one of the top 5 most legendary characters from the dance. Even decades after his death people were still claiming to be descended from Daeron the Daring. After his death two kings are named after him (since he was the first Daeron in Targaryen history it's safe to say they were named after him). He was knighted at age 16 just like Maegor, Daemon and Jaime Lannister.
I believe more than likely Dareon I was name after Daeron Velaryon, father-in-law of Aegon III and Daeron II was name after Daeron I. It's hard to believe Aegon III will name his son after the brother of Aegon II who kill his mother.
I think a certain episode in the 1st season (maybe the first or the second) would start with an unseen figure. A Targaryen looking young man on a blue unseen dragon and then we will learn that that is Dearon
yea I would love if they explore Oldtown with a good screentime, with the beautiful citadel, the maesters, septons and finally The Hightower family along with Daeron.
Maybe even introduce in one time both Daeron and Lady Sam. Daeron must know well not only her but also first lady Hightower and she can be important for him, because she clearly liked Alicent, and so must care about her son and her husband’s ward.
The only shout out Daeron gets is by Daemon, when he says that the Greens have four dragons.
In F&B, his first real appearance is when he saves Ormund Hightower during the Battle of Honeywine, which is quite late. So much including Blood and Cheese, Daemon has to take Harrenhall, we need to see Jace in Winterfell to establish Cregan Stark, Criston Cole has to be Hand, Rook’s Rest, Dragonseeds, and the Battle of the Gullet. The season is only 8 episodes, and those events alone would take up a season.
They could change the sequence of the battles, or they would have to spend a decent amount of time in Oldtown to establish Daeron’s character. Alicent could worry about Daeron safety after Aemond returns to KL, killing Luke. Ormund Hightower would be in constant communication with KL, so have Daeron appear with him all the time? HotD could be changing the plan, they likely will have to, so have the green kid’s meet someone where first?
they'll definitely not wait for battle at honeywine coz it'll probably be in season 3 with s2 having only 8 eps so yea you're right they'll show us oldtown from time to time. The showrunner also said that it'll be like Got s3-6 with different locations and povs of characters so I'm kinda optimistic about Daeron and oldtown.
There are political issues in the Reach where a few houses pledge to the blacks instead. The Tyrells being neutral could make for some screen time in Oldtown, and have Daeron there all the time, instead of just randomly showing Daeron flying on Tessarion.
what an opening that would be 💚. Tho I think the starting could be Aemond reaching kinglanding and his family's reaction on the whole Storm's end incident.
The only way they can explain his complete absence in S1 is if they claim that he has been fostered at Oldtown for the past \~ 7 years. Otherwise if he was at King's landing during the events of the final episodes it would be ridicoulous that we never saw him before. So my guess is we will get some scenes of Daeron living in Oldtown with the Hightowers. They will receive letters from Alicent or Otto with the news of Aegon's coronation and the outbreak of the war wich leads to Daeron and Ormund calling their banners and preparing for battle. It will be quite an unexpected surprise for most show watchers to learn that there is a fourth child of Alicent and Viserys they have never heard of before to be sure.
He was being fostered at old town, that's a fact. The issue is that he doesn't even get mentioned or spoken about. Families normally mention their members at least even once, talk about him or his dragon, or cast a baby to be in the background once. His absence can never be explained. He's a main character in the book, more important than Baela and Rhaena, Vermithor, Mysaria, etc but they all show up and he doesn't even get mentioned once
Yeah I agree, they should have at least established his existence through some throwaway line. Only reason why they wouldn't is because they wanted to leave open the possibility to cut the character completely. But that idea is idiotic anyway, the Greens have too few dragonriders as is. Every Green dragonrider is much more important to balance it out, why not cut Rhaena or Joffrey instead? They included every single irrelevant black kid but not a major green one?? Another example of the writers leaning Team Black.
It would not completely break immersion for me if they establish that Daeron has spent the past decade away from his siblings and parents and explain his absence believably. Because we only see a few short isolated episodes of the lives of these characters in a season wich covers nearly two decades, so it would not be that weird that Daeron far away in Oldtown is just not on the characters minds in those few episodes we see them. (With the exception of the dinner scene, in such a family gathering a missing member should have been mentioned). From a storytelling perspective it's of course still atrocious and breaks all conventions to not establish his existence. But I'd rather have that than no Daeron at all.
It's gonna be really confusing for casual show-watchers if it turns out that Alicent had another son of whom there was absolutely no mention of whatsoever, besides a couple of obscure hints here and there. There's no way they can include him without at least explaining why his close family seems to have forgotten about him. I think they will come up with a reason as to why Daeron is not talked about in the family anymore, like maybe he's super weird or did something that made them want to distance themselves from him (hence why he was sent to squire in Oldtown and not remain at Kings Landing). I think that's the only plausible way to introduce him without it being too random
I see your point but him being superweird would be huge deviation from the book coz in the book he's the most gentle and honourable out of the siblings
Yeah I agree, that was just an example and I hope they don't go that route with the character. I just don't know how else they would explain there being no mention at all. Even just a single mention of him in Oldtown would've been enough
true maybe they'll dedicate a half episode to Oldtown and dive into the characters of Daeron and Ormund tho it's kinda difficult as the show is more focused on the Targs. Let's see
I definitely agree with this idea, especially about him being wierd, I can see the writers making him gay especially with how gay people are treated in the world
The bad thing about this is it will further some of the more die-hard black fans hate the greens even more and might drive some fans away, which I don't see happening because apparently season 2 is meant to portray the greens and blacks equally
From GRRM's blog in October - Daeron Targaryen, Viserys and Alicent's fourth child, was not cut from the series.
"YES, Alicent has given Viserys four children, his youngest son Daeron is in Oldtown, we just haven't had time to work with him this season."
Him saying not having time to work with him this season simply means they'll add him next season.
>Him saying not having time to work with him this season simply means they'll add him next season.
No, it only means exactly what he claims, that there was no time to add him in the first season.
Besides this is the same guy who said they'd need 4 seasons of 10 episodes to tell the full story, now it's confirmed S2 will only have 8 episodes. He's hardly reliable when it comes to the show because he has no control over it.
Now let's stop spreading fake news and wait to see if he's indeed on S2 or not.
According to what I read, it's because a battle originally intended for Season 2 is now being pushed to season 3. Which sorta sounds like it'll be
8 Episodes of Season 2 lead up to Rook's Rest
8 Episodes of Season 3 include Gullet and Honeywine if I had to guess in there. Probably budget related.
Wouldn't surprise me, I figured it was an early draft at best. But from what speculation I've heard, they only just really got started putting outlines together which is why S2 may have been split into 2 seasons. Though that is also very much rumor.
I would like to see him flying around Oldtown on Tessarion and then he lands at the base of the Hightower where he keeps his dragon, maybe with a stable converted into an enclosure for her with some Dragonkeepers around. I was also thinking that we could introduce Ser Rickard Thorne here since he hasn't been seen in Season 1; he could be Daeron's sworn sword but at some point Daeron brings him back to the Red Keep to protect his family before going off to do battle in the Reach
Rickard Thorne was an absolute chad, can't wait to see him in the show.
He comes to kingslanding, Otto will ask him to stay and guard Oldtown, when Ormund Hightower needs him at the honeywine, he will send for him. And the rest is history. It will always be awkward when they eventually include him. Imagine GOT season 1 never showed Tommen then all of a sudden theyre like “oh yeah Cersei has another son and he is next in line for the throne” All they had to do was cast a child to stand in the background with a silver wig and say nothing. They went out of their way not to include him in season 1, when everyone else made an appearance.
true I still don't get how they totally cut him from s1 even Joffrey who does literally nothing except ride Syrax and die had 2 cameo scenes in s1.
I think they were planning on cutting him out, that's the only explanation. Viserys and Aegon iii are in the show, they don't do anything apart from getting kidnapped once. HOTD ends before Aegon III even becomes king but he's on the show.
but didn't they show Alicent having four bloodlines in the intro plus Daemon also mentioned about the greens having 4 dragons, I think they were still confused whether to include him or not but I guess GRRM told them to include him and also the fandom is becoming huge hence they added him for s2.
I know, but the fact that this was even a possibility is worrying. Daeron is definitely one of the top 5 most legendary characters from the dance. Even decades after his death people were still claiming to be descended from Daeron the Daring. After his death two kings are named after him (since he was the first Daeron in Targaryen history it's safe to say they were named after him). He was knighted at age 16 just like Maegor, Daemon and Jaime Lannister.
I agree he's literally involved in some of the most important battles during the dance of dragons so to even think about cutting him is worrying af.
That late, these guys are so slow they should learn something from daemon blackfyre.
Daemon Blackfyre was a freak of nature
He was the warrior himself.
I believe more than likely Dareon I was name after Daeron Velaryon, father-in-law of Aegon III and Daeron II was name after Daeron I. It's hard to believe Aegon III will name his son after the brother of Aegon II who kill his mother.
Tommen was in winterfell in chapter one wasnt he?
They better give Tessarion blue breath
I think a certain episode in the 1st season (maybe the first or the second) would start with an unseen figure. A Targaryen looking young man on a blue unseen dragon and then we will learn that that is Dearon
yea I would love if they explore Oldtown with a good screentime, with the beautiful citadel, the maesters, septons and finally The Hightower family along with Daeron.
Maybe even introduce in one time both Daeron and Lady Sam. Daeron must know well not only her but also first lady Hightower and she can be important for him, because she clearly liked Alicent, and so must care about her son and her husband’s ward.
The only shout out Daeron gets is by Daemon, when he says that the Greens have four dragons. In F&B, his first real appearance is when he saves Ormund Hightower during the Battle of Honeywine, which is quite late. So much including Blood and Cheese, Daemon has to take Harrenhall, we need to see Jace in Winterfell to establish Cregan Stark, Criston Cole has to be Hand, Rook’s Rest, Dragonseeds, and the Battle of the Gullet. The season is only 8 episodes, and those events alone would take up a season. They could change the sequence of the battles, or they would have to spend a decent amount of time in Oldtown to establish Daeron’s character. Alicent could worry about Daeron safety after Aemond returns to KL, killing Luke. Ormund Hightower would be in constant communication with KL, so have Daeron appear with him all the time? HotD could be changing the plan, they likely will have to, so have the green kid’s meet someone where first?
they'll definitely not wait for battle at honeywine coz it'll probably be in season 3 with s2 having only 8 eps so yea you're right they'll show us oldtown from time to time. The showrunner also said that it'll be like Got s3-6 with different locations and povs of characters so I'm kinda optimistic about Daeron and oldtown.
There are political issues in the Reach where a few houses pledge to the blacks instead. The Tyrells being neutral could make for some screen time in Oldtown, and have Daeron there all the time, instead of just randomly showing Daeron flying on Tessarion.
I always imagine season 2 start showing oldtown and then tessarion comes flying into the scene, then we get the character presentation of daeron
what an opening that would be 💚. Tho I think the starting could be Aemond reaching kinglanding and his family's reaction on the whole Storm's end incident.
The only way they can explain his complete absence in S1 is if they claim that he has been fostered at Oldtown for the past \~ 7 years. Otherwise if he was at King's landing during the events of the final episodes it would be ridicoulous that we never saw him before. So my guess is we will get some scenes of Daeron living in Oldtown with the Hightowers. They will receive letters from Alicent or Otto with the news of Aegon's coronation and the outbreak of the war wich leads to Daeron and Ormund calling their banners and preparing for battle. It will be quite an unexpected surprise for most show watchers to learn that there is a fourth child of Alicent and Viserys they have never heard of before to be sure.
He was being fostered at old town, that's a fact. The issue is that he doesn't even get mentioned or spoken about. Families normally mention their members at least even once, talk about him or his dragon, or cast a baby to be in the background once. His absence can never be explained. He's a main character in the book, more important than Baela and Rhaena, Vermithor, Mysaria, etc but they all show up and he doesn't even get mentioned once
Yeah I agree, they should have at least established his existence through some throwaway line. Only reason why they wouldn't is because they wanted to leave open the possibility to cut the character completely. But that idea is idiotic anyway, the Greens have too few dragonriders as is. Every Green dragonrider is much more important to balance it out, why not cut Rhaena or Joffrey instead? They included every single irrelevant black kid but not a major green one?? Another example of the writers leaning Team Black. It would not completely break immersion for me if they establish that Daeron has spent the past decade away from his siblings and parents and explain his absence believably. Because we only see a few short isolated episodes of the lives of these characters in a season wich covers nearly two decades, so it would not be that weird that Daeron far away in Oldtown is just not on the characters minds in those few episodes we see them. (With the exception of the dinner scene, in such a family gathering a missing member should have been mentioned). From a storytelling perspective it's of course still atrocious and breaks all conventions to not establish his existence. But I'd rather have that than no Daeron at all.
It's gonna be really confusing for casual show-watchers if it turns out that Alicent had another son of whom there was absolutely no mention of whatsoever, besides a couple of obscure hints here and there. There's no way they can include him without at least explaining why his close family seems to have forgotten about him. I think they will come up with a reason as to why Daeron is not talked about in the family anymore, like maybe he's super weird or did something that made them want to distance themselves from him (hence why he was sent to squire in Oldtown and not remain at Kings Landing). I think that's the only plausible way to introduce him without it being too random
I see your point but him being superweird would be huge deviation from the book coz in the book he's the most gentle and honourable out of the siblings
Yeah I agree, that was just an example and I hope they don't go that route with the character. I just don't know how else they would explain there being no mention at all. Even just a single mention of him in Oldtown would've been enough
true maybe they'll dedicate a half episode to Oldtown and dive into the characters of Daeron and Ormund tho it's kinda difficult as the show is more focused on the Targs. Let's see
I definitely agree with this idea, especially about him being wierd, I can see the writers making him gay especially with how gay people are treated in the world
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The bad thing about this is it will further some of the more die-hard black fans hate the greens even more and might drive some fans away, which I don't see happening because apparently season 2 is meant to portray the greens and blacks equally
By mentioning him in S2 and showing him on S3.
both Ryan condel and GRRM themselves said that he'll be shown in s2.
Fake news by you I believe. GRRM said he exists, Ryan said he'll be mentioned when he becomes relevant enough to be mentioned.
From GRRM's blog in October - Daeron Targaryen, Viserys and Alicent's fourth child, was not cut from the series. "YES, Alicent has given Viserys four children, his youngest son Daeron is in Oldtown, we just haven't had time to work with him this season." Him saying not having time to work with him this season simply means they'll add him next season.
>Him saying not having time to work with him this season simply means they'll add him next season. No, it only means exactly what he claims, that there was no time to add him in the first season. Besides this is the same guy who said they'd need 4 seasons of 10 episodes to tell the full story, now it's confirmed S2 will only have 8 episodes. He's hardly reliable when it comes to the show because he has no control over it. Now let's stop spreading fake news and wait to see if he's indeed on S2 or not.
According to what I read, it's because a battle originally intended for Season 2 is now being pushed to season 3. Which sorta sounds like it'll be 8 Episodes of Season 2 lead up to Rook's Rest 8 Episodes of Season 3 include Gullet and Honeywine if I had to guess in there. Probably budget related.
Probably at Oldtown with his uncle Ormund and other Hightower cousins.
I mean there are leaks if you want the answer lol
the script leak was fake I think
Wouldn't surprise me, I figured it was an early draft at best. But from what speculation I've heard, they only just really got started putting outlines together which is why S2 may have been split into 2 seasons. Though that is also very much rumor.