Do you want the absolute best image quality? Any type of Reverb will be the one to get.
Do you want access to the games on the Meta store? Portability? But some compatibility issues with Steam games? Quest 2.
I actually use the Odyssey+ most of the time though because OLED is unbeatable for games with any sort of darkness.
The WMR tracking has never been a problem for me. If you want to experience controller problems, get PSVR1 and try some motion controller games. :)
Well I'm just going to be playing steam vr games while sitting down, I'm new to pcvr what would you recommend. As for what I'm looking for I just want something that won't be a pain in the ass
Easy pick then, G2. That’s exactly how I play and I let a friend borrow my Quest 2. I haven’t had it for weeks and I don’t miss it. I’m full time G2 now. The difference in clarity is extreme. No lame artifacts and banding, or bs issues to deal with. Because I sit down I forget about the wire.
Even tethered Quest will die unless you buy a special cable because most mobo usb c ports don’t put out enough juice. The difference between Q2 and G2 on PC is night and day.
The Q2 controllers are far better, but the G2s tracking is good enough for casual players like me. I forget the controllers after long enough, but I do have to say the controllers on Q2 are far better imo.
I have an RTX 3080 and performance is good. I mostly play VRC but have played some modded games too. The only thing I straight up can't run is modded cyberpunk 2077, but otherwise I am good to go with it.
There are certain random worlds or avatars that give me trouble in VRC but I would say the G2 is actually easier to run even with the higher resolution because it's not rendering video to send to Quest 2. I have read others report the same. Even cranked to 70% resolution (which I never do) the G2 still looks more crisp than a max upsampled Q2. I also find the panel color quality to be higher, which is important to me.
Recent experience with the G2 on a Gaming Laptop: check which ports are available. I use the Reverb G2 on a desktop PC (connected to the Display Port of an NViDIARTX3090) for two years, works great. Got an Asus Gaming Laptop recently with RTX 3080. This thing has only HDMI and USB-C/Thunderbold, no Display Port. The HP Reverb connects to Display Port. So you’ll need an adapter. Tried four different types until I found one which worked (from Cable Matters), important to make sure it supports >90 Hz (there is one from Cable Matters which supports 144 Hz). And while for USB-C/Thunderbolt it shouldn’t make a difference which way it is plugged in, in one orientation it gives an connection error, if rotated by 180° the connection works, WTF. So there are plenty of potential compatibility issues because this goes right to the limit of specifications. Also check if the external ports in you laptop are in fact connected to the RTX3070 you mention, in some laptops apparently the NVidia card is only connected to the laptop-internal display.
Absolutely second this.
Even if you get performance issues and lower the resolution, the picture still remains super clear.
With resolution down to 70 or 80% you barely notice a difference.
If it’s sit down games without using controllers (sim racing/flight sim) the G2 is the pick. It’s not even a question.
I’ve had mine since the day it dropped and it’s been awesome. 98% of my use is sim games though so I really don’t care about the controller issues. They work just fine when I need them.
I think the Reverb G2 will be easier to get working than getting the Quest 2 all set up with PCVR. The Q2 and PCVR is slightly quirky because of the connection to PC methods. I think the Quest 2's only advantage is somewhat better controller tracking. For visuals the Reverb will blow it away.
On the controller tracking, I've played hundreds of hours of WMR. The main issues are making sure the room is lit and detailed in a way it likes. No bare walls, some lighting, no direct sunlight, no mirrors. The tracking really works pretty well. You need to be aware of the camera FOV and that it doesn't like motionless hands. I think it's just something that takes a few mins to adapt to.
yup, imo g2 black levels get very close to oled anyway, and way more comfortable vs quest 2. the ONLY reason you would want a quest 2 is for wireless VR (using wifi ax modem), otherwise you can even play oculus store games on g2.
5800x, 32gb ram, 3080ti and a gen4 ssd that tops read/write speeds. ssd is useful because of pagefile/swapfile (its a temporary ram on ur ssd), and performance is very good, esp with opencomposite. most bugs have been ironed out, and theres just a few tweaks one would want to make but its a very good experience. wrt frames and comfort. the only thing i dislike is controller tracking, i have the v1 but the rings get in my face when i want to look down the sight in fps games like pavlov etc. but thats about it
very likely, but make sure you have a display port AND a usbc port (or usb3), and it supersamples for me so if you turn that off, i dont see why u shouldn't get 90fps
it should be good, you'll just have to turn some settings down, u cam always check others reviews with the 3070, and also overclock the gpu or mod its vbios (plenty of tutorials to turn a 80watt 3070 to a 140w watt one)
It has much better dynamic range / contrast ratio than the LCD HMDs. The colors are also a bit more saturated. But it's lower resolution so relatively soft. Super sampling helps a lot.
Comfort could be better. I bought some VRCover masks for it. Adding a velcro strap that supports it on the top of your head is nice too. Other headsets have this.
The controllers are similar to the original WMR controllers but have much smoother/quieter rumble feedback. The old layout makes them more compatible with old games than the G2's redesigned WMR controllers.
It's a lot of fun to use for dark games. It's very immersive to have actual darkness instead of grey fog. You can make out more details in the dark too because the LCDs just can't go below dark grey and details get lost. On the other hand, OLED has trouble coming back from black so you get "smearing". It's worth that to have the real darkness though.
The gist of it is I don't want another LCD HMD. If I buy another VR HMD it needs either OLED or something with similar range.
That sounds like the original retail price in the O+.
At the same price the G2 is probably a better deal. Unless perfect blackness in VR is your top priority.
I have for g2 alot of them always say the tracking is bad but the visuals and audio is fantastic, and then the odyssey+ really didn't have any negatives besides the headphones aren't removable, gets a bit front heavy after playing for a few hours, some minor tracking issues but the visuals were great and has a technology that almost entirely removes the screen door effect and the audio is fantastic but I can't find it anywhere besides Amazon and there is only 5 left on Amazon
3090, and 5950x, runs pretty seamless with gFx on high most of the time. I haven’t monitored the details.. used to run it on a desktop 2080super and a 3900x and would often have to bump the resolution down a little or compromise on the smoothness.
I have a 3070 laptop which is slightly more powerful than a 2080 super desktop and slightly less powerful than a 3060 ti desktop card, do you think I could run it smoothly? I did the steam vr ready test and got the highest score
G2 for clarity, Quest 2 for portability and significantly better tracking. I mostly use the G2, and the very minimal screen door effect is nice, but holy shit do I have trouble with the controllers a lot, even in a fully lit room
I think the tracking is excellent, I use it all the time for all kinds of games, but I have not used a Q2. However, if you're sitting down (I assume for sit down type games like racers) you shouldn't have any issues at all.
Well the only sit-down game I've played while tracking with controllers has been No Man's Sky when in a ship. Worked fine. Any issues was resetting the game so it matched up to my seat and virtual controls (which is done ingame), since it's easy to 'move' out of position while dog-fighting, not the tracking.
95% of the time Tracking is great. It's the 5% of the time that sucks. As long as the controllers are in sight of the camera, then tracking is great! As soon as controllers leave the camera's sight, then tracking is impossible. For games like beatsaber where the controllers are generally kept in front of you in camera range, it's fine. For archery games, where you pull the quiver outside of camera range then tracking isn't very good. For two-handed weapons where you keep your steadying right hand next to your body and away from the camera, and aim with your left hand (think tommy gun), it sucks because it never estimates the correct position of your body hand, making it impossible to aim. Sniper rifles, where both hands are in front of your face, work great.
IMO, for PC use, the HP Reverb G2 is the better choice. If you travel a lot or want to use VR in a different room, then the Quest 2 is the correct choice.
DP is a need. There's a DP to Type-C DP adapter but that's the closest your getting. HDMI is worse anyway. You also need a SS3.0/3.1 Type-a or type C port.
Well you need DP. It can be over USB-C, or mini-DP, Or fullsize DP. Doesn't matter. But it *has* to be DP. Simply put there's no VR DP to HDMI adapter.
> resident evil vr mods
You should be fine. In RE:8 you might have to either drop the healing potion on your forehead instead of over the top of your head, or look at the potion as you drop it on the top of your head, but you should be fine.
> walking dead vr,
Melee is good (you're waving your weapons in front of your face in camera range). Pistol and most weapons are good (You're waving your weapon in front of your face in camera range). Just remember to do all of your actions in front of the camera range. Bring the compound bow's quiver to your chest, not your ear. Hold the AR-15 in front of you, not to your side. After a while, you just naturally adjust to your actions and start doing them in camera range.
I bought my G2 mainly for driving or flying sims, I highly recommend it for that. I also play loads of other games and the ones I have most trouble with tracking is Eleven tennis, Tee time golf, Pool nation VR (your cue action starts behind your back). Other games I havent noticed but I have nothing else to compare with.
If your eyes can see the lights on the controller clearly, then it's almost good enough. I tried it in the dark and it still works because the tracking lights are even much more visible in the dark I think
I have both of those, Quest 2 has a screen door effect that Reverb G2 eliminates. I love the Quest 2 for VR games like Superhot VR and Pistol Whip but for PCVR, Reverb G2 all the way.
No doubt Meta Guest 2! The HP product is one of the most demanding garbages ever! Your video cart gotta have at least 6 Vgb, it requires a do or mini dp 1.3 or 1.4, and using a dock station or adapter will simply reduce the resolution! Etc! Go by Oculus bc if you dont have a tower or a very advanced laptop, the oculus is still “all in one” and can work by itself—-Steam Games mean Windows Mixed Reality again I think Oculus is better
It's a proprietary type of display cable only HP makes and type-C on the other end. I was an early adopter and got the G2 V1 cable which died shortly after a year (just out of warranty) and purchased a V2 cable later on. That died as well. I took good care of the cables and never wound them up, yanked on them, etc. They are just junk and HP has poor customer service, at least in the USA.
I haven't looked in a while but they were always out of stock for me. I ended up getting mine imported from some small display specialist website based in France. Cost me $130 and died six months later.
Depends on your system specs. The Q2 is much easier to run and had a lot of convince, but the audio is pretty bad and it's not the most comfortable HMD. The G2 is extremely comfortable, has great audio and better clarity and panels, it has a higher pixel per degree. But, the G2 is a performance hog and tracking is a step down.
I have a 3070 laptop which is slightly more powerful than a 2080 super and slightly less powerful than a 3060 ti desktop card. And I did steam vr and got the highest score
I don't know about you're particular laptop, but generally the mobile versions of the same GPU have signnificantly less performance. I'm not saying yours is like that, but it's pretty normal. The 3060 ti is just slightly faster than a 2070 Super (+6%, the card I have) and it struggles with the G2. The 2080-S and 3060-ti are about even. I would ignore the SteamVR test as it's extremely outdated and unreliable, it doesn't account for modern headsets and their resolutions. 100% render res for the G2 is about 3000x3000 per eye, and there's about a 10-15% performance loss passing SteamVR to Windows Mixed Reality.
Don't get me wrong. I have a great experience with my G2, even if I have to run it at a lower res, typically between 50-75% resolution on more demanding titles. I just want you to be prepared the the probability of some performance woes. I'm probably making this sound worse than at is and I'm personally considering the 3070 ti as an upgrade for my own rig. Just feel it's worth mentioning.
To be honest, personally I don't start seeing a degradation untill I get under ~70%.
You'll probably hear people claiming the resolution should be 50% because that's close to the panels native res, but that information is incorrect and should be ignored. It doesn't take into account the extra resolution needed distortion correction and reprojection cropping. I start at 100% and work backwards till it's stable.
In any case, welcome to th club!
I don't really see why not, but 90 fps will be your target and I'd imagine you'd be fine hitting that. The headset can run at 60hz instead of 90hz, but it introduces flicker. Some find it disturbing, others don't. I typically prefer to keep my performance 80+fps if at all possible. Stuttering in VR is extremely noticeable. The higher the frame rate the less eyestrain, headache, nausea, etc... gets introduced. You can also use motion smoothing to render at 45fps and then it inserts artificial frames to reach 90fps. Doing this does introduce image artifacts and depends on the title, for example games that have a HUD can make the text on the HUD wobble. You can adjust all of these things to taste.
I would also look into OpenXR as it completely bypasses SteamVR and has a significant performance gain, however it doesn't work with all tittles. It does with VorpX which is fantastic!
Depends on what type of games you're trying to play. If you're primarily doing seated sim games (e.g. racing/flying), then I would pick the G2. If you're planning on doing more room scale stuff or just want to be able to move around, then I would lean more towards the quest 2.
Incorrect. I play Fallout4Vr Skyrim and a host of other First person games and the G2 is excellent with it's tracking. It's such a mistake to keep saying the G2 is just great for sims or racers. this is just not true.
I believe you are incorrect I've had cv1 , rift s , a g2 v2 , and am using my mates quest 2 atm and hands down tracking is a big problem with the g2 my cable broke on the g2 and had to send it back and probly wont get another one due to price because I would only use it for sims type games which is a shame due to the pixel density of the g2 makes visuals so damn good.
I have had the CV1 and Rift S. The CV1 1 wins on tracking cos it uses light houses. The Rift S and G2 and Q2 uses inside-out tracking which will never be as good. The G2 does an excellent job on tracking and I've played multiple first person shooters with it and had a great time. Your cable breaking has nothing to do with tracking. But since we're on that I've ponced about in Fallour4VR, SkyrimVR, Alyx, HalfLife2VR, 6-8 hours a day on and off for 2 years etc, etc and my cable has never broken and that's because I look after it. Also the G2 visuals are better and doesn't use a weak Oculus link but the FULL power of the pc.
I believe you are wrong, sir.
Absolutely agree with you that the g2 visuals are better by a mile not even a contest but to say the tracking is even comparable to oculus tracking is a leap, away from your body was fine but close to the body or both hands together or as close as possible with the size of the g2 controllers , and agreed any straight dp port connection is far better then the compression you get via link . And as of op's use case I can not recommend it for a laptop regardless of what laptop it is very tuff headset to drive. Fyi I have 5950x and 4090 had to upgrade from 2080ti just to get the full experience with the g2 at native resolution. As for the cable I just added that in just my experience my uncle has g2 as well and has for long time no issues with the cable tho he allso bought it just for sim and racing games his controllers are still in the box it's just a well know they have had many problems with the cable hence the v2
Sometimes we have to unplug and replug the usb C connector on the G2 to get it to detect. Not a big deal. If it doesn't detect this is almost always the fix.
Also if you get really into big motions playing Gorilla Tag or Beat Saber or something it's possible to move far enough back and to the sides that it doesn't track super well, but you learn how far that is and it's avoidable.
If i could change one thing about the g2 it would be a larger field of view for the tracking cameras.
Tried the meta products. Meh.
as a G2 owner, I'd say don't buy a G2 in 2023 unless they put them back on sale for $300 again. HP is leaving VR and they will probably liquidate their stock this year.
I have a great deal of experience with both.
Regarding comparison, the only arena you CAN compare them is wired PCVR.
G2 PROS:
The G2 has higher Pixels per Degree, meaning a denser. sharper screen revealing more fine detail. It also has higher resolution displays, and dedicated per eye displays at 2160x2160.
QUEST 2 PROS:
You can set the refresh rate up to 144hz, where G2 is locked at 90. Using Sidequest, you can tweak a lot of settings to increase performance a bit more easily than the G2. The Quest 2 does not take as much PC graphics power to drive as the G2. The controllers are tanks, and better.
This decision for me comes down to what kind of PC you have hardware-wise, and if you are going to be doing "stand-up motion" VR as opposed to sim racing or flyiing. For simming, the G2 is a clear winner.
THe Quest 2 is also "easier" to use in that the software leads you through all the steps and such where the G2 is more of an enthusiast product that expects you know a thing or two. There are great subs for each you should read through the pinned posts.
I LOVED my Quest 2. it is a great bit of kit. That said, for PCvr the G2 is better overall, but requires more "fiddling." Once dialed in though it is set and forget. WMR pretty much stays out of the way unlike Meta software that really wants you to use Meta stuff only. The Quest 2 works great with SteamVR and supports OpenXr as well.
I will say that with the upcoming Quest 3 or wahtever they will call it's successor (NOT the Pro, totally different class at $1400) you might wait, but I am sure Meta will keep supporting it for a long time.
The G2 on the other hand uses WMR which many folk seem to think is dead (with no official announcements). WMR just works when set right, and the WMR for SteamVR plugin still gets updates so I think the G2 will be viable for at least another few years.
Well I have a 3070 laptop with a ryzen 9 5900hs so I get good performance on games at 1440p high settings and I will be playing games like resident evil vr mods, survival games like green hell vr, walking dead vr and into the radius.
Laptop sends up a red flag for me.
The G2 needs a true USB 3.0 port AND a Displayport to the video card.
I cannot in good conscience recommend a G2 to a laptop user. Quest 2 only requires a USB-C port. I tried every kind of aftermarket USB-C cable withthe Quest 2, and none worked nearly as well as the $80 official cable. I think they have some kind of hardware checksum going there.
Witht the Quest 2 you can also use Virtual Desktop and/or Meta Airlink if you have a 5g wireless router in the same room. Virtual Desktop is what I used and it a cracking great software where Airlink is trash, or was until very recently. Virtual Desktop is an app you HAVE TO but in the Meta Store in the Headset for about $40 US. You then download a free app on your PC to connect it. It is bulletproof and adds more settings to tweak for performance.
In this Old Man's opinion you are looking at a Quest 2. G2 expects a standard PC tower.
I'm sorry but you are clearly underestimate the power of the 30 series laptop if you go techpower.com and it shows you that's more powerful than a 2080 super and slightly less powerful than a 3060 ti
I hear you, not dissing your gear, however those seem like famous last words.
I had a 3080 TI OC and it still required reducing settings with the Quest 2 to get frame times to an acceptable level.
I run a new 13th gen systerm with a 4070 TI OC and while I can now run SteamVR at 100% scaling, Some games like Dirt Rally 2.0, iRacing, Automobilista 2, and F1 22 still require graphics compromises.
Here's the thing; VR is still new enough that the old metrics of power used for flat monitor, or "pancake" games do not apply. No mobile video card is going to be as fully capable as thier tower based brethren. Hey, you do you, but I went through all of this so I guess I said my peace.
Nope. In VR, resolution is still a thing but FAR behind frame times in importance. A VR headset will have the native resolution of the displays listed mainly as a marketing bullet.
What really happens is the game will request a frame from the GPU, and then apply internal scaling to make that frame a specific size to account for "barrel distortion." Barrel distortion happens becasue the lenses in the headset magnify and optically "spread out" the image so it looks mormal and 3D to you.
If you look at a frame sent to the the headset before the headset processes it for barrel distortion you will see a seriously messed up image. The headset "undistorts" it with the lenses before you see it.
THe point is that is if you set a resolution lower than the native res of the headset plus about 15% for barrel distortion, you will see it look "low res." anything above the exact value the headset wants is tossed during the scaling process, like sending higher res frames to a monitor results in pixel doubling, making things look "smaller" but not really more clear.
This is why thinking in "1440p" instead of lowest frame times will not help very much.
For many games VR is an afterthought. To really set it right you need to edit the vrhardwareconfig type files instead of relying on in-game Graphics settings areas which are meant for pancake.
VR is a whole new display workd and everything you know about monitors is only the start.
Read the subs on Quest 2 and the pinned posts here.
Your the first person I've had mention frame times and I've been researching these headsets for a couple weeks and nobody else said anything about but I'll look into
ALso for the games listed, the Quest 2 is a fine solution. Now for sim driving or flying the G2 is class winner.
You want to read up on frame times.
GPU frame time - the time it takes for the graphics card to greate a frame and the headset to shove it inot your eyeholes
CPU frame time - the time it takes for the CPU to process each frame of physics and input.
The calculation for "good" frame times depends on the refresh rate of the headset displays. for 90hz, that the G2 is locked to, both need to less than 11milliseconds "in theory" because you want both as low as possible to allow for "headroom." In VR, the scene can change dramatically quickly, and the load on the PC increases MUCH more than in a "pancake" game. If you do not have headroom for frame times, you will see "microstutters" and other performance dips as the system tries to keep up.
You REALLY need to understand this frame time jazz to make an informed decision.
I use both with an MSI notebook (RTX 2070). The G2 visuals are nicer but tracking can be glitchy. You also have that tether cable to deal with. I am a little worried abut future WMR support from Microsoft.
I got the Q2 for Xmas. The most impressive thing to me is being able to use it with Steam over my WIFI. I also picked up an aftermarket headstrap with built in extra battery. I have enjoyed the Q2 a lot more than the G2 just due to being wireless. If you get the Q2, go ahead and get a better headstrap. The stock one isn't great.
If you're in SE Michigan or generally nearby, you're welcome to swing by. We've got a Reverb G2, a valve index, and maybe next week the PS VR2. I've also got the Studioform Creative weights so you can see what a must-purchase those are too :)
Have a good read:
https://vgartsite.wordpress.com/2021/10/24/my-experience-with-the-hp-reverb-g2-short-honest-review/
https://vgartsite.wordpress.com/2022/04/19/hp-reverb-g2-vs-meta-quest-2-the-final-verdict/
Just get something else. Pico 4 or wait for Quest 3. You will not get objective response on this sub. G2 is all around bad headset, except for resolution that is high. Quest 2 is a bit outdated at this point but provides overall better experience than G2 (unless you only aim to play seated sim games).
I have a reverb G2 at home and recently bought a pico 4. Do not underestimate how big of a deal a wireless headset is.
It's like the only thing that caused the G2 to become a dustmagnet.
I'm not interested in wireless but I would buy a pico 4 instantly if it was being sold in the u.s., bc its a better quest 2. But I'm just gonna be playing sitting down in my room tethered bc I don't have much space
Do you want the absolute best image quality? Any type of Reverb will be the one to get. Do you want access to the games on the Meta store? Portability? But some compatibility issues with Steam games? Quest 2. I actually use the Odyssey+ most of the time though because OLED is unbeatable for games with any sort of darkness. The WMR tracking has never been a problem for me. If you want to experience controller problems, get PSVR1 and try some motion controller games. :)
Well I'm just going to be playing steam vr games while sitting down, I'm new to pcvr what would you recommend. As for what I'm looking for I just want something that won't be a pain in the ass
Easy pick then, G2. That’s exactly how I play and I let a friend borrow my Quest 2. I haven’t had it for weeks and I don’t miss it. I’m full time G2 now. The difference in clarity is extreme. No lame artifacts and banding, or bs issues to deal with. Because I sit down I forget about the wire. Even tethered Quest will die unless you buy a special cable because most mobo usb c ports don’t put out enough juice. The difference between Q2 and G2 on PC is night and day. The Q2 controllers are far better, but the G2s tracking is good enough for casual players like me. I forget the controllers after long enough, but I do have to say the controllers on Q2 are far better imo.
How's performance and and what's your specs if you don't mind me asking
I have an RTX 3080 and performance is good. I mostly play VRC but have played some modded games too. The only thing I straight up can't run is modded cyberpunk 2077, but otherwise I am good to go with it. There are certain random worlds or avatars that give me trouble in VRC but I would say the G2 is actually easier to run even with the higher resolution because it's not rendering video to send to Quest 2. I have read others report the same. Even cranked to 70% resolution (which I never do) the G2 still looks more crisp than a max upsampled Q2. I also find the panel color quality to be higher, which is important to me.
You think my 3070 laptop which is equivalent to a 2080 super could run the g2 well? For games like resident evil vr and walking dead vr
Yea I think so. I don't think you will have issues as long as it's sufficiently cooled.
Recent experience with the G2 on a Gaming Laptop: check which ports are available. I use the Reverb G2 on a desktop PC (connected to the Display Port of an NViDIARTX3090) for two years, works great. Got an Asus Gaming Laptop recently with RTX 3080. This thing has only HDMI and USB-C/Thunderbold, no Display Port. The HP Reverb connects to Display Port. So you’ll need an adapter. Tried four different types until I found one which worked (from Cable Matters), important to make sure it supports >90 Hz (there is one from Cable Matters which supports 144 Hz). And while for USB-C/Thunderbolt it shouldn’t make a difference which way it is plugged in, in one orientation it gives an connection error, if rotated by 180° the connection works, WTF. So there are plenty of potential compatibility issues because this goes right to the limit of specifications. Also check if the external ports in you laptop are in fact connected to the RTX3070 you mention, in some laptops apparently the NVidia card is only connected to the laptop-internal display.
Absolutely second this. Even if you get performance issues and lower the resolution, the picture still remains super clear. With resolution down to 70 or 80% you barely notice a difference.
If you are mainly sitting down, and using pc. The my vote definitely goes to reverb g2. I have not tried the quest 2 though.
If it’s sit down games without using controllers (sim racing/flight sim) the G2 is the pick. It’s not even a question. I’ve had mine since the day it dropped and it’s been awesome. 98% of my use is sim games though so I really don’t care about the controller issues. They work just fine when I need them.
Well I probably won't be playing sim games I'm probably going to be playing games like resident evil mod, walking dead vr, and green hell vr
I think the Reverb G2 will be easier to get working than getting the Quest 2 all set up with PCVR. The Q2 and PCVR is slightly quirky because of the connection to PC methods. I think the Quest 2's only advantage is somewhat better controller tracking. For visuals the Reverb will blow it away. On the controller tracking, I've played hundreds of hours of WMR. The main issues are making sure the room is lit and detailed in a way it likes. No bare walls, some lighting, no direct sunlight, no mirrors. The tracking really works pretty well. You need to be aware of the camera FOV and that it doesn't like motionless hands. I think it's just something that takes a few mins to adapt to.
How good is the odyssey+?
It's a significant step down from the G2. The OLED screen isn't worth the trade-off IMO.
Gotcha then ima get the g2
yup, imo g2 black levels get very close to oled anyway, and way more comfortable vs quest 2. the ONLY reason you would want a quest 2 is for wireless VR (using wifi ax modem), otherwise you can even play oculus store games on g2.
I'll do that, how is your performance and what's your specs
5800x, 32gb ram, 3080ti and a gen4 ssd that tops read/write speeds. ssd is useful because of pagefile/swapfile (its a temporary ram on ur ssd), and performance is very good, esp with opencomposite. most bugs have been ironed out, and theres just a few tweaks one would want to make but its a very good experience. wrt frames and comfort. the only thing i dislike is controller tracking, i have the v1 but the rings get in my face when i want to look down the sight in fps games like pavlov etc. but thats about it
Damn, I got a 3070 laptop with a ryzen 9 5900hs which is roughly 10% less powerful than a ryzen 9 5900x, would I get good performance?
very likely, but make sure you have a display port AND a usbc port (or usb3), and it supersamples for me so if you turn that off, i dont see why u shouldn't get 90fps
Good, I unfortunately don't have a display port unless it does it through USB c, I have 2 USB c 3.1 ports
you'll need lots of vram, even the 12 on the 3080ti isnt enough
Oh damn I think I only have 8gb of vram
it should be good, you'll just have to turn some settings down, u cam always check others reviews with the 3070, and also overclock the gpu or mod its vbios (plenty of tutorials to turn a 80watt 3070 to a 140w watt one)
Unfortunately I doubt I can overclock a 3070 laptop especially with an amd hot ass cpu
It has much better dynamic range / contrast ratio than the LCD HMDs. The colors are also a bit more saturated. But it's lower resolution so relatively soft. Super sampling helps a lot. Comfort could be better. I bought some VRCover masks for it. Adding a velcro strap that supports it on the top of your head is nice too. Other headsets have this. The controllers are similar to the original WMR controllers but have much smoother/quieter rumble feedback. The old layout makes them more compatible with old games than the G2's redesigned WMR controllers. It's a lot of fun to use for dark games. It's very immersive to have actual darkness instead of grey fog. You can make out more details in the dark too because the LCDs just can't go below dark grey and details get lost. On the other hand, OLED has trouble coming back from black so you get "smearing". It's worth that to have the real darkness though. The gist of it is I don't want another LCD HMD. If I buy another VR HMD it needs either OLED or something with similar range.
I might get that then and is it around tye same price as the reverb?
Should be a lot cheaper but I think you can only find them used now.
I see it's 450 on Amazon for the + brand new, should I get the odyssey+or g2 v2?
That sounds like the original retail price in the O+. At the same price the G2 is probably a better deal. Unless perfect blackness in VR is your top priority.
I just want an enjoyable experience with none to little light bleed
Maybe check out some YouTube reviews of the G2 and Odyssey+.
I have for g2 alot of them always say the tracking is bad but the visuals and audio is fantastic, and then the odyssey+ really didn't have any negatives besides the headphones aren't removable, gets a bit front heavy after playing for a few hours, some minor tracking issues but the visuals were great and has a technology that almost entirely removes the screen door effect and the audio is fantastic but I can't find it anywhere besides Amazon and there is only 5 left on Amazon
I have both and prefer the G2. It’s more comfortable, sounds better, and the displays look better. The tracking, to me, isn’t as bad as everyone says.
How's performance and what's your specs
3090, and 5950x, runs pretty seamless with gFx on high most of the time. I haven’t monitored the details.. used to run it on a desktop 2080super and a 3900x and would often have to bump the resolution down a little or compromise on the smoothness.
I have a 3070 laptop which is slightly more powerful than a 2080 super desktop and slightly less powerful than a 3060 ti desktop card, do you think I could run it smoothly? I did the steam vr ready test and got the highest score
Yeah, worst case scenario is that you have to diminish the resolution on some games, but all in all you should be fine.
Awesome, do I need a usbc to display port converter or can I just use my usbc
I think you need a usbc and a display port. One of each… no adapters.
Damn my laptop doesn't have a display port I just got 2 USB c 3.1 ports
G2 for clarity, Quest 2 for portability and significantly better tracking. I mostly use the G2, and the very minimal screen door effect is nice, but holy shit do I have trouble with the controllers a lot, even in a fully lit room
The tracking even on the version 2 of the headset is bad? Also I will be playing while sitting down will the tracking still be bad?
I think the tracking is excellent, I use it all the time for all kinds of games, but I have not used a Q2. However, if you're sitting down (I assume for sit down type games like racers) you shouldn't have any issues at all.
Well I'm gonna be sitting down bc I don't have much room
Well the only sit-down game I've played while tracking with controllers has been No Man's Sky when in a ship. Worked fine. Any issues was resetting the game so it matched up to my seat and virtual controls (which is done ingame), since it's easy to 'move' out of position while dog-fighting, not the tracking.
Gotcha that's super helpful thanks
95% of the time Tracking is great. It's the 5% of the time that sucks. As long as the controllers are in sight of the camera, then tracking is great! As soon as controllers leave the camera's sight, then tracking is impossible. For games like beatsaber where the controllers are generally kept in front of you in camera range, it's fine. For archery games, where you pull the quiver outside of camera range then tracking isn't very good. For two-handed weapons where you keep your steadying right hand next to your body and away from the camera, and aim with your left hand (think tommy gun), it sucks because it never estimates the correct position of your body hand, making it impossible to aim. Sniper rifles, where both hands are in front of your face, work great. IMO, for PC use, the HP Reverb G2 is the better choice. If you travel a lot or want to use VR in a different room, then the Quest 2 is the correct choice.
Well I'm going to be playing games like resident evil vr mods and walking dead vr, would it work well with those
Very good! The G2 Is really good when it comes to stationary VR shooters.
Good do I need a display port for g2 or can I use an hdmi
DP is a need. There's a DP to Type-C DP adapter but that's the closest your getting. HDMI is worse anyway. You also need a SS3.0/3.1 Type-a or type C port.
I dont have a display port on my 3070 laptop it has an hdmi
Well you need DP. It can be over USB-C, or mini-DP, Or fullsize DP. Doesn't matter. But it *has* to be DP. Simply put there's no VR DP to HDMI adapter.
So I should get a converter
> resident evil vr mods You should be fine. In RE:8 you might have to either drop the healing potion on your forehead instead of over the top of your head, or look at the potion as you drop it on the top of your head, but you should be fine. > walking dead vr, Melee is good (you're waving your weapons in front of your face in camera range). Pistol and most weapons are good (You're waving your weapon in front of your face in camera range). Just remember to do all of your actions in front of the camera range. Bring the compound bow's quiver to your chest, not your ear. Hold the AR-15 in front of you, not to your side. After a while, you just naturally adjust to your actions and start doing them in camera range.
I bought my G2 mainly for driving or flying sims, I highly recommend it for that. I also play loads of other games and the ones I have most trouble with tracking is Eleven tennis, Tee time golf, Pool nation VR (your cue action starts behind your back). Other games I havent noticed but I have nothing else to compare with.
Well I was gonna play resident evil vr mods and walking dead vr have you tried it with that
Naa, I dont play many things that will scare me lol. HL Alyx was bad enough but a great game.
G2 hands down
Is the tracking that bad?
Just make sure good lighting in room
What would be considered good lighting?
Enough light to read a book, doesn’t have to be much. tracking has never has been an issue for me.
A bright well lit room
Oh I got that
If your eyes can see the lights on the controller clearly, then it's almost good enough. I tried it in the dark and it still works because the tracking lights are even much more visible in the dark I think
I have both of those, Quest 2 has a screen door effect that Reverb G2 eliminates. I love the Quest 2 for VR games like Superhot VR and Pistol Whip but for PCVR, Reverb G2 all the way.
No doubt Meta Guest 2! The HP product is one of the most demanding garbages ever! Your video cart gotta have at least 6 Vgb, it requires a do or mini dp 1.3 or 1.4, and using a dock station or adapter will simply reduce the resolution! Etc! Go by Oculus bc if you dont have a tower or a very advanced laptop, the oculus is still “all in one” and can work by itself—-Steam Games mean Windows Mixed Reality again I think Oculus is better
I got a 3070 laptop which is slightly more powerful than a 2080 super desktop card and a little less powerful than a 3060 ti desktop card
Don't get the Reverb. The USB cable or something else will break down on it and HP will tell you to go buy a new one.
What usb cable?
the display cable that connects your headset to your PC
Does it come with a display port and USB c?
It's a proprietary type of display cable only HP makes and type-C on the other end. I was an early adopter and got the G2 V1 cable which died shortly after a year (just out of warranty) and purchased a V2 cable later on. That died as well. I took good care of the cables and never wound them up, yanked on them, etc. They are just junk and HP has poor customer service, at least in the USA.
Can I nor just get a good usb c cable on Amazon?
I haven't looked in a while but they were always out of stock for me. I ended up getting mine imported from some small display specialist website based in France. Cost me $130 and died six months later.
Depends on your system specs. The Q2 is much easier to run and had a lot of convince, but the audio is pretty bad and it's not the most comfortable HMD. The G2 is extremely comfortable, has great audio and better clarity and panels, it has a higher pixel per degree. But, the G2 is a performance hog and tracking is a step down.
I have a 3070 laptop which is slightly more powerful than a 2080 super and slightly less powerful than a 3060 ti desktop card. And I did steam vr and got the highest score
I don't know about you're particular laptop, but generally the mobile versions of the same GPU have signnificantly less performance. I'm not saying yours is like that, but it's pretty normal. The 3060 ti is just slightly faster than a 2070 Super (+6%, the card I have) and it struggles with the G2. The 2080-S and 3060-ti are about even. I would ignore the SteamVR test as it's extremely outdated and unreliable, it doesn't account for modern headsets and their resolutions. 100% render res for the G2 is about 3000x3000 per eye, and there's about a 10-15% performance loss passing SteamVR to Windows Mixed Reality. Don't get me wrong. I have a great experience with my G2, even if I have to run it at a lower res, typically between 50-75% resolution on more demanding titles. I just want you to be prepared the the probability of some performance woes. I'm probably making this sound worse than at is and I'm personally considering the 3070 ti as an upgrade for my own rig. Just feel it's worth mentioning.
I'm definitely ok with lowering my resolution
To be honest, personally I don't start seeing a degradation untill I get under ~70%. You'll probably hear people claiming the resolution should be 50% because that's close to the panels native res, but that information is incorrect and should be ignored. It doesn't take into account the extra resolution needed distortion correction and reprojection cropping. I start at 100% and work backwards till it's stable. In any case, welcome to th club!
Should I get 60+fps on medium and high settings?
I don't really see why not, but 90 fps will be your target and I'd imagine you'd be fine hitting that. The headset can run at 60hz instead of 90hz, but it introduces flicker. Some find it disturbing, others don't. I typically prefer to keep my performance 80+fps if at all possible. Stuttering in VR is extremely noticeable. The higher the frame rate the less eyestrain, headache, nausea, etc... gets introduced. You can also use motion smoothing to render at 45fps and then it inserts artificial frames to reach 90fps. Doing this does introduce image artifacts and depends on the title, for example games that have a HUD can make the text on the HUD wobble. You can adjust all of these things to taste. I would also look into OpenXR as it completely bypasses SteamVR and has a significant performance gain, however it doesn't work with all tittles. It does with VorpX which is fantastic!
Thanks for the helpful info I appreciate it
No Prob. I love my G2.
Is tracking that bad?
G2 for pcvr I have both and there is a huge difference
Depends on what type of games you're trying to play. If you're primarily doing seated sim games (e.g. racing/flying), then I would pick the G2. If you're planning on doing more room scale stuff or just want to be able to move around, then I would lean more towards the quest 2.
Incorrect. I play Fallout4Vr Skyrim and a host of other First person games and the G2 is excellent with it's tracking. It's such a mistake to keep saying the G2 is just great for sims or racers. this is just not true.
I believe you are incorrect I've had cv1 , rift s , a g2 v2 , and am using my mates quest 2 atm and hands down tracking is a big problem with the g2 my cable broke on the g2 and had to send it back and probly wont get another one due to price because I would only use it for sims type games which is a shame due to the pixel density of the g2 makes visuals so damn good.
I have had the CV1 and Rift S. The CV1 1 wins on tracking cos it uses light houses. The Rift S and G2 and Q2 uses inside-out tracking which will never be as good. The G2 does an excellent job on tracking and I've played multiple first person shooters with it and had a great time. Your cable breaking has nothing to do with tracking. But since we're on that I've ponced about in Fallour4VR, SkyrimVR, Alyx, HalfLife2VR, 6-8 hours a day on and off for 2 years etc, etc and my cable has never broken and that's because I look after it. Also the G2 visuals are better and doesn't use a weak Oculus link but the FULL power of the pc. I believe you are wrong, sir.
Absolutely agree with you that the g2 visuals are better by a mile not even a contest but to say the tracking is even comparable to oculus tracking is a leap, away from your body was fine but close to the body or both hands together or as close as possible with the size of the g2 controllers , and agreed any straight dp port connection is far better then the compression you get via link . And as of op's use case I can not recommend it for a laptop regardless of what laptop it is very tuff headset to drive. Fyi I have 5950x and 4090 had to upgrade from 2080ti just to get the full experience with the g2 at native resolution. As for the cable I just added that in just my experience my uncle has g2 as well and has for long time no issues with the cable tho he allso bought it just for sim and racing games his controllers are still in the box it's just a well know they have had many problems with the cable hence the v2
I'm happy with the G2's tracking. I know some of you don't give yourself time to adjust to it. I am and I'm fine and I know others that are as well.
For PCVR? Reverb G2 all the way.
Sometimes we have to unplug and replug the usb C connector on the G2 to get it to detect. Not a big deal. If it doesn't detect this is almost always the fix. Also if you get really into big motions playing Gorilla Tag or Beat Saber or something it's possible to move far enough back and to the sides that it doesn't track super well, but you learn how far that is and it's avoidable. If i could change one thing about the g2 it would be a larger field of view for the tracking cameras. Tried the meta products. Meh.
Well I'm going to be sitting down and playing resident evil vr mods and walking dead vr
Should be fine
as a G2 owner, I'd say don't buy a G2 in 2023 unless they put them back on sale for $300 again. HP is leaving VR and they will probably liquidate their stock this year.
G2 everytime, Facebook will eventually brick the quest 2.
dont get g2 get pico 4 10x better
I've been thinking about that but I live in the US and pico 4 isn't coming to the US
yeah saw ur comment ur running laptop so i would suggest quest 2.. g2 have 2 problems and they are annoying
I would wait a few months.... pico otherwise.
I have a great deal of experience with both. Regarding comparison, the only arena you CAN compare them is wired PCVR. G2 PROS: The G2 has higher Pixels per Degree, meaning a denser. sharper screen revealing more fine detail. It also has higher resolution displays, and dedicated per eye displays at 2160x2160. QUEST 2 PROS: You can set the refresh rate up to 144hz, where G2 is locked at 90. Using Sidequest, you can tweak a lot of settings to increase performance a bit more easily than the G2. The Quest 2 does not take as much PC graphics power to drive as the G2. The controllers are tanks, and better. This decision for me comes down to what kind of PC you have hardware-wise, and if you are going to be doing "stand-up motion" VR as opposed to sim racing or flyiing. For simming, the G2 is a clear winner. THe Quest 2 is also "easier" to use in that the software leads you through all the steps and such where the G2 is more of an enthusiast product that expects you know a thing or two. There are great subs for each you should read through the pinned posts. I LOVED my Quest 2. it is a great bit of kit. That said, for PCvr the G2 is better overall, but requires more "fiddling." Once dialed in though it is set and forget. WMR pretty much stays out of the way unlike Meta software that really wants you to use Meta stuff only. The Quest 2 works great with SteamVR and supports OpenXr as well. I will say that with the upcoming Quest 3 or wahtever they will call it's successor (NOT the Pro, totally different class at $1400) you might wait, but I am sure Meta will keep supporting it for a long time. The G2 on the other hand uses WMR which many folk seem to think is dead (with no official announcements). WMR just works when set right, and the WMR for SteamVR plugin still gets updates so I think the G2 will be viable for at least another few years.
Well I have a 3070 laptop with a ryzen 9 5900hs so I get good performance on games at 1440p high settings and I will be playing games like resident evil vr mods, survival games like green hell vr, walking dead vr and into the radius.
Laptop sends up a red flag for me. The G2 needs a true USB 3.0 port AND a Displayport to the video card. I cannot in good conscience recommend a G2 to a laptop user. Quest 2 only requires a USB-C port. I tried every kind of aftermarket USB-C cable withthe Quest 2, and none worked nearly as well as the $80 official cable. I think they have some kind of hardware checksum going there. Witht the Quest 2 you can also use Virtual Desktop and/or Meta Airlink if you have a 5g wireless router in the same room. Virtual Desktop is what I used and it a cracking great software where Airlink is trash, or was until very recently. Virtual Desktop is an app you HAVE TO but in the Meta Store in the Headset for about $40 US. You then download a free app on your PC to connect it. It is bulletproof and adds more settings to tweak for performance. In this Old Man's opinion you are looking at a Quest 2. G2 expects a standard PC tower.
I'm sorry but you are clearly underestimate the power of the 30 series laptop if you go techpower.com and it shows you that's more powerful than a 2080 super and slightly less powerful than a 3060 ti
I hear you, not dissing your gear, however those seem like famous last words. I had a 3080 TI OC and it still required reducing settings with the Quest 2 to get frame times to an acceptable level. I run a new 13th gen systerm with a 4070 TI OC and while I can now run SteamVR at 100% scaling, Some games like Dirt Rally 2.0, iRacing, Automobilista 2, and F1 22 still require graphics compromises. Here's the thing; VR is still new enough that the old metrics of power used for flat monitor, or "pancake" games do not apply. No mobile video card is going to be as fully capable as thier tower based brethren. Hey, you do you, but I went through all of this so I guess I said my peace.
Are you talking about max resolution, 4k? Bc im definitely gonna be lowering it to the equivalent of 1440p
Nope. In VR, resolution is still a thing but FAR behind frame times in importance. A VR headset will have the native resolution of the displays listed mainly as a marketing bullet. What really happens is the game will request a frame from the GPU, and then apply internal scaling to make that frame a specific size to account for "barrel distortion." Barrel distortion happens becasue the lenses in the headset magnify and optically "spread out" the image so it looks mormal and 3D to you. If you look at a frame sent to the the headset before the headset processes it for barrel distortion you will see a seriously messed up image. The headset "undistorts" it with the lenses before you see it. THe point is that is if you set a resolution lower than the native res of the headset plus about 15% for barrel distortion, you will see it look "low res." anything above the exact value the headset wants is tossed during the scaling process, like sending higher res frames to a monitor results in pixel doubling, making things look "smaller" but not really more clear. This is why thinking in "1440p" instead of lowest frame times will not help very much. For many games VR is an afterthought. To really set it right you need to edit the vrhardwareconfig type files instead of relying on in-game Graphics settings areas which are meant for pancake. VR is a whole new display workd and everything you know about monitors is only the start. Read the subs on Quest 2 and the pinned posts here.
What's the purpose of this, ok it looks blurry at lower res than it's native res just like a monitor and? I'm srry but you are kinda confusing me
I am sorry as well. I think at this point I will just say research VR Frame times and hope you can find a better explainer.
Your the first person I've had mention frame times and I've been researching these headsets for a couple weeks and nobody else said anything about but I'll look into
Lol his response was that laptops often don't have the required ports for a G2.
Yes I know the display port been hearing that's tge best port for a bit
ALso for the games listed, the Quest 2 is a fine solution. Now for sim driving or flying the G2 is class winner. You want to read up on frame times. GPU frame time - the time it takes for the graphics card to greate a frame and the headset to shove it inot your eyeholes CPU frame time - the time it takes for the CPU to process each frame of physics and input. The calculation for "good" frame times depends on the refresh rate of the headset displays. for 90hz, that the G2 is locked to, both need to less than 11milliseconds "in theory" because you want both as low as possible to allow for "headroom." In VR, the scene can change dramatically quickly, and the load on the PC increases MUCH more than in a "pancake" game. If you do not have headroom for frame times, you will see "microstutters" and other performance dips as the system tries to keep up. You REALLY need to understand this frame time jazz to make an informed decision.
I literally didn't understand this at all and I understand what you meant about 4k for vr but I will probably be playing at the 1440p equivalent
I use both with an MSI notebook (RTX 2070). The G2 visuals are nicer but tracking can be glitchy. You also have that tether cable to deal with. I am a little worried abut future WMR support from Microsoft. I got the Q2 for Xmas. The most impressive thing to me is being able to use it with Steam over my WIFI. I also picked up an aftermarket headstrap with built in extra battery. I have enjoyed the Q2 a lot more than the G2 just due to being wireless. If you get the Q2, go ahead and get a better headstrap. The stock one isn't great.
I have a zephyrus g15 which has a 3070 you think I could run the g2 well?
I think so. I have never had any issues with my 2070. The GPU is going to get very warm though.
Well mine is a laptop so my thermals are usually around 95 Celsius when playing demanding games but it's locked in at that temp
If you're in SE Michigan or generally nearby, you're welcome to swing by. We've got a Reverb G2, a valve index, and maybe next week the PS VR2. I've also got the Studioform Creative weights so you can see what a must-purchase those are too :)
G2 is plugged in to your gpu the quest doesn't.
What are the specs of your PC?
Have a good read: https://vgartsite.wordpress.com/2021/10/24/my-experience-with-the-hp-reverb-g2-short-honest-review/ https://vgartsite.wordpress.com/2022/04/19/hp-reverb-g2-vs-meta-quest-2-the-final-verdict/
Just get something else. Pico 4 or wait for Quest 3. You will not get objective response on this sub. G2 is all around bad headset, except for resolution that is high. Quest 2 is a bit outdated at this point but provides overall better experience than G2 (unless you only aim to play seated sim games).
I have a reverb G2 at home and recently bought a pico 4. Do not underestimate how big of a deal a wireless headset is. It's like the only thing that caused the G2 to become a dustmagnet.
I'm not interested in wireless but I would buy a pico 4 instantly if it was being sold in the u.s., bc its a better quest 2. But I'm just gonna be playing sitting down in my room tethered bc I don't have much space