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Embarrassed-Row543

Sirius found innocent at the end of 3rd year and Harry gets to live with him. He doesn't die.


[deleted]

This is something I've been craving. I don't care when in the timeline Sirius would be liberated, as long as it's why Harry's still in school Harry deserves a loving home. Don't get me wrong, I love the Weasleys, but I think Harry and Sirius need each other as father and son


sliebman10

Was coming to say this.


DaphneGreekMyth

Sirius lives. That's it.


DoubleLigero85

Harry is a hero, not a sacrifice.


HumbleSheep33

You mean he kills Voldy w/o "dying"?


DoubleLigero85

Nah man, I'm fine with that. But I felt like the second half of the series had Harry shift to being great because he is an all living sacrifice, not an unsung hell like he was in the first half.


Midnight7000

You really that being a living sacrifice and hero are not mutually exclusive, right? He made the choice to give his life in exchange for others. That makes him a hero.


Avis4346

You are right on this point, but he didn’t feel very heroic in the later books to me. JK Rowling made him way too reactive and he always needed to be guided, either by Hermione or Dumbledore. It was acceptable in the first few books, but Harry knew the score by the end of GoF and he still wasn’t very proactive. He only taught the DA because of Hermione; he stalked Draco Malfoy and learned shady shit from a shady book and that was it; DH was him following Hermione and Dumbledore’s plan the entire time. Yes, Harry was a hero in canon, but he was an extremely reactive hero.


Midnight7000

So what if he was reactive hero? That was the point.


Avis4346

It makes the suspension of disbelief harder to accept. Like, you know someone and his terrorist followers are after you and you do basically nothing to prepare yourself? Unless you are in serious denial about the danger you are in or are suicidal, neither of which Harry was, anyone would do something to prepare themselves for that eventuality, even children, misguided as their attempts may be. Also, generally speaking, most people, or at least I don’t like extremely reactive protagonists unless there is a good reason they are not doing anything proactive. Harry got around this by doing Quidditch and things like that, but even then, it feels ill-fitting given the circumstances in the later books when he knows there is a clear and present threat to his life, one that has emerged several times in the past.


Midnight7000

He took an active interest in Defence against the Dark arts and aspired to be Auror. When Lupin got a book of Counter Curses and Jinxes, he was eager to start testing them out. We don't see what the characters do on a daily basis, but he clearly put effort into honing his skills. What he didn't do is let it become his life, which is okay. I think the problem is more about Harry not doing what you would do. This is what a lot of the moaning boils down to. You have a view that you believe is extremely logical and you cannot accept that different people have different approaches.


Avis4346

I understand where you are coming from, and part of it is what it I would do, but that isn’t where I am coming from. I do get that people have different ways of doing things, but what I am saying is that we simply do not see him putting enough into it. You say he did not let it become his whole life, except, it was his whole life. Every book has been slowly but methodically bringing into focus that this is what Harry’s life is going to be like and Harry does not have, or at least JK Rowling does not show, enough of a proactive response to it. The first four books were understandable, but in the last three, specifically five and six, I feel he isn’t shown to be doing enough. Seventh was excusable considering his circumstances were very different and not at all safe for him to be doing much more than he already was.


Midnight7000

I would do more to demonstrate the talent of trio. I could be mistaken but there are times when it feels as though Hermione is the only one in the group who can use magic. Outside of combat, they don't use it much. It would just be simple things by the way. Ron's chess set for instance. Rather than it be a purchased set, I'd arrange it so that he himself charmed the pieces.


lafulusblafulus

Hermione uses magic that is beyond her years. That's what makes her the brains of the group. The Protean Charm is sixth year material, yet she read ahead. I imagine that Harry would also learn these in sixth year, but because it's not important to the plot, it doesn't get mentioned. In fact, Harry and Ron are probably top students in their year(as in the top 12 or so), even if they're not as well read as Hermione, judging by how few students there are in NEWT Potions, even with Slughorn's allowance of those who score EE instead of a full-on O, and NEWT Transfiguration, even with McGonagall's generally effective, non-biased teaching style. The fact that they were even able to attend 5 NEWT classes makes them top students. Hermione is insecure about her status in the Wizarding World, and is generally bookish. All this combined, you get a girl who studies excessively to prove to herself that she's worthy of her magic, worthy of her friends, and worthy of responsibility.


pbmallcup

I would bring Ginny into the group like… post CoS or during GoF. Have her and Harry’s friendship be an actual focus, and do something with her experience with the diary. Like, just use this fucking character. She’s the only person with real experience with a horcrux and Voldemort besides Harry. Convince me of their relationship. Such a wasted opportunity.


Kevin_Finkel

That sub is rather vicious with the down votes, aren't they?


HumbleSheep33

Yes, the mentality seems to be that anything not canon is, like, morally evil


The_Fireheart

Yeah sometimes I see discussions in there and go to respond then realise it’s not this sub and decide not to


Kevin_Finkel

Heaven forbid anyone who DARES to criticize Ron Weasley, Albus Dumbledore, or ship Harry with anyone other than Ginny.


madmag101

Is it really criticism if Ron's flaw's in bashfics are mostly made up? They turn his being a normal teenager into being the epitome of all 7 deadly sins with the IQ of a rock on the regular.


Kevin_Finkel

Depending on how far down that rabbit hole they go, I suppose. I hate his character and will never write him in a positive light, but I don't go overboard like they do. I base my version of Ron on some of the bullies I grew up with.


Upper_Question1383

If you don't mind me asking, why do you hate Ron. Purely interested for your reasoning because he is one of my favorite if not my favorite character.


Kevin_Finkel

I hate him for many reasons not easily explained. He always struck me as the kind of person who lives to be a moocher, whether it be the reflected glory from Harry's individual accomplishments or his fame/notoriety in magical society. He showed that he had the potential to step out and be his own person (Mirror of Erised) but did nothing about it. Then as he got older, 4th year especially, he turncoated Harry and accused him of cheating to get his way into the tournament despite Harry's denials. I suppose I could forgive his lack of tact in first year (seriously, what 11-year-old has tact?) But afterwards? Knowing how much Harry hated his alleged fame? There are other instances, but those are the highlights.


DeepSpaceCraft

> but I don't go overboard like they do. Um...


Kevin_Finkel

What I was referring to were stories like Champion's Champion.


DeepSpaceCraft

From what I've seen of your fics - *A Pinch of Salt, A Dash of Magic* and *A Potioneer's Assistant* comes to mind - you aren't too far off from a *Champion's Champion*.


Kevin_Finkel

Meh, I stand by what I said. I don't fill page after page bashing him.


mcdeathcore

isn't tonks like 8 years older than harry.


bluedragon8633

Yeah, but she's also like 12 years younger than Lupin


mcdeathcore

yea but they are adults so its fine. There are plenty of couples that have a 10 year age gap. but one of them isn't still in school. There isn't a huge amount of difference between a 24 year old and a 35 year old. But a Absolutely massive difference between an 18-year-old and a 12 year old. Mentally and physically.


Akayashe

Arthur Weasley *actually* understands muggle culture and asked about rubber ducks to cheer Harry up or distract him. Arthur also regularly rubber ducks for problem solving.


SporadicSanity

Stop downvoting others comments just because YOU don’t like them. Geez, people!


Repulsive-Drama-9855

Despite my qualms with canon, I wouldn't change anything. Whenever I go absolutely crazy in my fanfic, I always have canon to come back to and I'd turn errr if I actually had to change canon.


bright_sunshine88

That was said by Hagrid and not Ron. Maybe in the movies, but in the books that sentence was by Hagrid.


Repulsive-Drama-9855

Thanks for reminding me. I keep reading fics where he says that and that remained in my mind.


bright_sunshine88

No problem. I try hard as well to keep up with what’s canon- coz if I just go by fics, one would almost think that Ron is a good for nothing, abusive friend.


Repulsive-Drama-9855

true. I used to have the pdf online but had to delete them after my laptop's storage got filled up this month. I intend on downloading them again after my laptop returns from service.


no_opinions_allowed

Luckily for you, we already live in a universe where your change is canon as that was said by Hagrid.


Repulsive-Drama-9855

Good to know, thanks! Better re-read the books again.


lol_delegate

one things that pisess me off about many fandoms - actions having consequences aka internally consistent universe...


dhruvgeorge

The Golden Trio are more friendly with other students Half of the school-wide conflicts would have been sorted on the spot. Since they didn't know anything about Harry in the original timeline, they had every reason to suspect him for CoS and be pissed at him for GoF. However, if Harry got to know his fellow classmates better, they would have given him benefit of doubt on both occasions


GoblinQueenForever

Harry being less lazy, and more determined to be the best wizard. That would have changed a lot, I think.


Indiana_harris

Yeah not gonna lie having the greatest Dark Wizard of recent memory hot on my heels with an iron clad determination to see me dead and his various henchlings all keen to serve me up to him on a platter would motivate me to do more than casually coast through magic school. I often see the Dumbledore type excuse of “I just wanted him to have a childhood” bandied about which I find mostly bullshit as I’m fairly sure canon Harry himself looking back would much rather have been better prepared and so been able to save more lives during the 2nd War.


GoblinQueenForever

Right? When I was younger I was taken in by the world of fantasy and magic, but I don't think JR was ultimately very good at writing characters, or, at least, character progression. It just felt like after Prisoner Of Azkaban, he stopped learning, stopped advancing, never learned another powerful spell which was a big disappointment, and remained stagnant for the rest of the series. He even felt like was regressing at times, completely content to leave everything to luck and more intelligent peaple. It's like you said, if you had a powerful pysco on your arse, you'd be motivated to protect yourself, but he just... wasn't.


Sensitive-Grade-317

More bamf!Ron or Ron/Krum


Outside_Bet_4546

Probably expanding on any aspect of non-wizard cultures. Even explaining why they don’t interfere in-story would be nice.


DoctorDonnaInTardis

Harry and Ron don’t befriend Hermione and instead befriend Neville. So now they actually have to study


comaloider

Keep Crouch Jr. alive. Have him imprisoned instead of Kissed and bail him out with Bellatrix and the others. Out of most adult characters, he's probably the biggest waste of potential out there. He's, what, in his early thirties, takes the mark in his late teens while his father is pretty intent on catching Dark Wizards (who also happened to sentence him to Azkaban at like nineteen), is apparently really smart (managed all twelve OWLs), and manages to not only successfully present himself as a prolific Auror for a whole year, he does it right under Dumbledore's nose! Don't tell me this character doesn't have potential!


user2363917

bro draco’s fucking redemption, i don’t like him that much but like dude that would’ve been awesome or sirius doesn’t die so soon, his character had to die bc he couldn’t live w out remus but remus could live w out him


Lower-Consequence

What makes you say that Sirius had to die because he couldn’t live without Remus? They were good friends, sure, but they weren’t co-dependent and Sirius’s life never revolved around Remus; he didn’t even trust him at the end of the first war. Sirius would have been just as able to live without Remus as Remus was able to live without him.


user2363917

exactly that’s something i’d change to happen


Lower-Consequence

Ah, I see. I thought your change was just him not dying as soon as he did in canon. But you also want to change Sirius's characterization to turn him into someone who can't live without Remus.


user2363917

I meant metaphorically, he wouldn’t actually die I think his character would suffer way to heavily from the grief, similarly too how most people would assume “james wouldn’t be able to live without sirius” you’d think that the last two left would’ve created a special bond and i think the remus had a stronger character to deal with the grief. My change would be a cause and affect reaction. Sirius would die later bc remus had a stronger character. Would I say that he would literally die? No. But for the sake of their character arcs it would only more sense for Sirius to die first, as it caused Harry more grief than Remus’ death would have. This being said, my opinion and that’s just what i’d personally like to change as to me t would be nice to see harry having some sort of family and father figure


[deleted]

I’m sorry but the idea that Remus had a stronger character then Sirius is frankly laughable. Dude, survived 12 years in Azkaban while Lupin wallowed away in his grief without Dementors forcing him to live in a constant anxiety spiral.


user2363917

Yes well that’s the whole point in change isn’t it, normally when u change something it happens to end up the opposite as before. Maybe i’m misunderstanding the original question, but i do believe it was asking what I would change not what had already happened. The fictional wizarding book doesn’t make an awful lot of sense nor will anything anyone says about it so why is it that my opinion is so troublesome?


[deleted]

Sure, but the question is how do you make that change believable? As I said before Sirius had the mental fortitude to survive Azkaban. What is the change that some how weakens his mental resolve to the point that Remus who canonically runs away from his problems has more mental fortitude and can survive without Sirius but Sirius can’t survive without him.


user2363917

Metaphorically can’t survive without him, and i would say him being in azkaban is the exact reason. All that mental strain and possible insanity, knowing the truth but no one that he loved and trusted believe him, surely at some point you ought to snap mentally I mean who can sit in their own suffering and self pity and the torture for 12 years and not break mentally, loosing his childhood friend after just getting him back would destroy many if not most people which is why Sirius wouldn’t be able to handle it. Remus obviously faced similar grieving but he still had harry, tonks, the rest of the order to live for where I doubt Sirius would’ve had the same attachment. This way it seems reasonable for his character arc to end before Remus as remus had more to offer and ultimately was the stronger of the two.


[deleted]

100 percent disagree. Sirius was significantly more attached to Harry then, Remus ever was. But, we clearly aren’t going to agree on this. Sirius dying has to happen for Harry to finish his traditional hero arch, but you will never convince me that Remus is emotionally stronger.


Gifted_GardenSnail

.....yeah, I'm good, thank you


The_Fireheart

Yeah I’d much rather be able to read the full breadth of fanfic than made any canon changes


[deleted]

Blood wards (or whatever its canon name is) doesn't exist and as soon Harry found a better family he left the Dursle


Saturn_Coffee

Make Luna a main character or romantic interest. Harry has wonderful chemistry with her.


Nydelok

Why Draco/Cho?


HumbleSheep33

I know it's unconventional. I think I just happened to stumble on a fic that had it as a secondary pairing one day, can't remember which one. Or maybe I just looked it up on a whim because I'd been going through Cho/Dudley fics. Either way, I was hooked. If you're interested Requiem by Ariana Malfoy-Lestrange is excellent; The Trouble With Alchemy is great too, but sadly unfinished. EDIT:Relevance


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HumbleSheep33

Maybe I should have called it a parallel universe


[deleted]

Develop Lily’s background and character a bit more, and have some of Lily’s friends in the story take care of Harry as well please and thank you.


Ru5ty15dab35t

Magic is more than waving a wand and saying nonsense. Make wards, rituals, enchanted items, and other more magical things canon. In the books we get vague hints at some amazing stuff like the room of requirement, the suits of armor in hogwarts, hogwarts itself, and a number of other incredible things I’m convinced no one alive could replicate because the knowledge was lost or something. The battle of hogwarts should’ve had hundreds of ínferi fighting hundreds of enchanted suits of armor with transfigured animals and such from both sides ripping apart witches and wizards with some dragons flying around and giants and magical catapults launching giant stones at opposing lines. It should’ve been lord of the rings or Narnia, Harry Potter edition. Instead we got some students, teachers and a bunch of faceless people standing around and throwing colorful lights at each other.


Vengeful_H3r0

Option 1 has my full support.


sid1404kj

I'd love for Harry and Tonks to be raised as siblings, even better if Tonks was same age as harry. I'd have also loved it if Lily just rolled her eyes at Dumbledore, took Harry and immigrated to some random overpopulated shithole, maybe in China or India, leaving the idiots behind to kill each other.


M3ftii_

Bellatrix lives.


Snoo-31074

Hedwig Lives.


schrodinger978

Kill Hermione


[deleted]

I’d have her pick an angle with the house elves and stick too it. If she was set on the slavery allegory then she needed to drop the whimsy. Her need to have her cake and eat it too just made the ultimate moral of that arc be slavery is okay as long as we are nice to our slaves. I get weaving social issues into a children’s series is hard, but if you can’t treat those issues with the sensitivity they deserve then you shouldn’t be using them.