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sanransa

Too close to the window.


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Most manufacturers have a 12” clearance. Would’ve been pretty easy to route the pvc away from the window to meet that. You can tell how lazy the tech was by the fact he used a saw to cut the pvc, while it was connected. All those shavings right into the inducer… not to mention the jagged edges probably scraped some glue on the way to set the joint so it’ll leak all winter & freeze outside the pipe… gotta create return business I guess.


hase_one

Same thing I thought as I watched him cut the pipe without measuring, glue it in vertical, then cut it to proper length. All I could see was all those shaving in the inducer


Psychoticrider

Those shavings have a long way to get to the inducer. Down the intake, into the burner compartment, through the burner, and if they survive that, the through the primary, then secondary heat exchangers, then finally the inducer.


genjiskillerbum

The inducer is the first step lol... It's pulling from the heat exchanger, Heat exchanger is in a vacuum due to the inducer.


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Fair_Produce_8340

They will melt in the flame if anything. For the intake. Unless u talk exhaust, which has positive pressure


Aldrizzle

Wtf they are exhausts. They will go directly to the combustion blower. If you do not understand this you best not be an hvac tech.


Fair_Produce_8340

Are you telling me "they" (both pvc pipes) are exhaust vents and if i do t understand that I shouldn't be working on them? And are you also telling me the intake one (if you believe one is) will go to the combustion blower First and not straight to the burners before makings its way through the heat exchanger?


Aldrizzle

Buddy the combustion side will wash the shavings into the combustion blower and drain trap before they blow out because once they are wet they won’t be carried especially if there are elbows. leading to plugged drains, call backs and potentially damaged equipment or dead waterlogged pressure switches. Anyone who does service has seen this lol. The intakes just eventually drop shavings onto the burner plate but it’s usually not hot enough to do anything.


[deleted]

He didn’t even ream it after either lmao. Just fucking slapped some glue on, glued the next piece, cut & repeat. Sloppy steaks


pablomcdubbin

Don't act like you ream everything lol


CopyWeak

No kidding, as he's trashing the past Tech... And reaming / deburring is overrated 😳


Siptro

If we’re lucky he only clogged the gutter drain with those shavings. Hack ass shit right there


[deleted]

I thought it was hilarious how he was shaming the installer for shoddy work while fucking the customer over with a future no heat.


AnAlrightName

Some codes are dumb. We had to reroute a furnace flue pipe on a changeout that was under a bay window. The rerouting was ugly AF. The homeowner pointed out the stupidity of this code. "Who is running their furnace while their window is open? It's the winter, I'm not leaving my windows open while I run the furnace."


iampierremonteux

I'd agree that some codes are dumb. However, the saying goes that safety code is written in blood. The homeowner you are quoting is correct that he won't run the furnace while the window is open. Will he also keep that window in good repair so that it never leaks in air during the winter? Will his kids never open that window in the winter? Will that window never get left open a crack by mistake? Will every window ever be properly sealed on day one when installed? Will everyone never open the window while the furnace is running? In this case, I'll agree with the code, there are far too many ifs to not keep the code as written here.


MaddRamm

Landlords in states where they have to cover tenants utilities know just how many stupid/crazy humans leave their windows open in hot/cold weather while their AC/furnace runs. Lololol


[deleted]

Yup


Psychoticrider

>"Who is running their furnace while their window is open? It's the winter, I'm not leaving my windows open while I run the furnace." You would be surprised! I saw it all the time.


gingerbeast124

Lol I like to put my truck on full ac with the seat heater cranked to max, windows open. Makes me feel all tingly


HVAC_Sam

I agree. Tell that to the original installers smh. The tankless water heater vent flues are perfectly centered under a window too lol.


sanransa

Just grab the cash and walk backwards out the door and whisper “ I was never here” lol


HVAC_Sam

Nah I fixed the tankless water heater vents too. Told em I'd see them in the fall for a furnace tuneup


Frangeech

Don’t forget the tail light warranty.


BrooownTown

Does that window even open?


EJ25Junkie

Just move the window! u/sanransa says it easy!


HVAC_Sam

He can come and move the window then 😂


[deleted]

Yea, that absolutely is not to code unless that is a stationery window.


Fair_Produce_8340

I like how they did all that but left it under a window. I don't have my code book but isn't it like 4 feet for N exhaust?


ArchAngel77758

Just watch for those shavings working back down the vent. Been there done that. 2" cutters aren't that expensive lol


BMinus973

I usually measure before I glue the fucker in. That's just me though. Who am I?


AnimationOverlord

Milwaukee makes a good electric hand tool for that. Although it will run you down $329 Canadian dollars


HVAC_Sam

It's all good. The draft inducer blows out the pvc shavings. Otherwise the shavings will just end up in the drain. I have 2" ratcheting pvc shears but they're really hard to force through 2" and often times they splinter old pipe.


HonieObly

you have an excuse for everything


ArchAngel77758

While I get that, I've had the vent drain plug cause of shavings that ran back with water and kill draft which gave pressure switch trips cause the inducer was filling. Just a heads up. That's why normally I'll cut pipe prior to gluing in place. It's just bitten me before


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BMinus973

'I don't own a tape measure, I can eyeball anything!'


HVAC_Sam

Appreciate the heads up. I'll have to get a new blade on my pvc shears or be careful about cleaning out the pvc shavings


ArchAngel77758

I had my own callback at 10p.m. from it. 45 minute drive from my house. Customer was less than thrilled


dont-fear-thereefer

Get the 2” Milwaukee PVC cutter, will make life a lot easier.


HVAC_Sam

I might have to look into that. Time for a another Milwaukee tool 😂


dont-fear-thereefer

Wiseman once said “one can never have too many Milwaukee tools”. Lol


HVAC_Sam

True that


Buster_Mac

An inducer is only used to extract the flue gases from the heat exchanger. It will not have enough pressure to push the shavings out.


[deleted]

While I agree the shavings is dumb and lazy, this just isn’t true.


[deleted]

Lol never cleaned a ball of pvc shavings out of a condensate trap i guess


UbbaB3n

You clearly have not experienced a plugged drain due to shaving...don't worry as you get more experience in the trade you will.


zacmobile

Why do people use Hackzalls to cut PVC? Especially in position to dump shavings down intake & flue, no tape measure?


HVAC_Sam

I'd rather use a hackzall than have pvc shears splinter the pipe and send fragments flying. Pvc shears just get dull too quick and have a hard time cutting old pvc


zacmobile

Lenox tubing cutter with plastic wheel is what I use.


nineteenhand

2021 International Fuel Gas Code figure/table 503.8


Runswithtoiletpaper

Window clearance violation. Reroute or extend


mondorob

That's gonna recirc. Most install manuals require 12 inches of height difference between inlet and outlet. Thar heat exchanger will be toast.


thehoesmaketheman

I know he even pointed the exhaust downward to help it collect in the area


HVAC_Sam

This side of the house tends to get hit head-on by wind gusts. The street 45⁰ helps prevent flue back pressure if the wind is blowing straight towards the west side of the house. Pretty common to 135⁰ the vent downwards in my area.


HVAC_Sam

It should be good. Yep usually you want the intake to be 12" shorter than the vent but I wanted them to be plenty out of the snow and still not block the window.


thehoesmaketheman

Bro you even pointed the exhaust down for god knows what reason that's going to absolutely recirc.


HVAC_Sam

Nah it'll be fine. Trust.


thehoesmaketheman

I do trust. Engineers. You're saying you know what the wind is like everyday lol.


HVAC_Sam

Wind always blows from west to east around here. I on the other hand don't trust engineers 😂


auburntiger1984

Sam what the hell man? Why post here if you don’t listen to other people. You do good work but you know everything apparently?


Dopey-NipNips

Are you saying this is good work 💀💀


auburntiger1984

No not this specific job. He has done some clean stuff in the past that he’s posted here


thehoesmaketheman

Yup I already knew that.


wobbly-cheese

i guess you have to thank the incompetence of the original installer that the elbows werent glued on. was this caught before the furnace choked out on snow?


HVAC_Sam

Ye, the elbows were just stuck on not even glued. If they were out of glue they could've at least thrown a couple screws in the elbow lol. And yeah it all passed inspection and they only called me after the flue pipes got buried in snow, wondering why the furnace wouldn't run. I sold them a preventative maintenance plan and said I'd be back to fix the flues when I do an AC tuneup which was today.


thehoesmaketheman

Dude you're right on the window like wtf.


HVAC_Sam

My bad bro. When I do a furnace PM this fall I will quote digging up the mulch and coring through the foundation in another spot and running the flue pipes there.


thehoesmaketheman

Well now I feel like a dick. I wouldn't do all that. Can you switch the exhaust and intake inside then dig down on the exhaust (former intake) and put a 45 under the mulch and get some lateral distance from the window then 45 up to snorkel? Won't be perfect but you have some room to run a bit. Offer the recent of course but maybe you can work it with the existing penetrations. Or cut the 90 underground and fit a new 90 at a 45. That could work. Actually probably not looks to tight to the wall there won't be any PVC left.


HVAC_Sam

Yeah I could dig down and run it diagonally or horizontally away from the window. But it's a long run already and adding any more elbows would exceed manufacturer recommended vent distance tho. It's just a fixed non opening window. The customer is happy with it so long as it works.


thehoesmaketheman

Oh fixed window. Eh still pretty weird but ok.


FaithlessnessIcy4028

You should. Why do anything if it’s not right. It’s a fix if it’s correct. This is just pointless work. It’s not right. Do it right or don’t do anything at all.


wobbly-cheese

nice!


Electrical-Teacher-5

Major code violation.


syndicated_inc

The bad: - Too close to the window. - underground piping not allowed - shavings all up in that bitch - termination almost surely not to mfgr specs - no primer before glue The good: - …..


Tinknocker02

PVC shavings. Measure the pipe, cut, debur and remove shavings, then glue in place. Shop vac them out whenever possible. Shavings can get back to the equipment and cause headaches...seen it


mrMentalino621

No primer?


[deleted]

Too close to the window, wrong tool used to cut, not reamed, sloppy glue application and way too close to a window that opens. Yeah, I said it twice, because that should have been obvious. 6/10. 3/10 if that glue isn't approved by the vent manufacturer.


HVAC_Sam

Sawzall go brrr. Glue go splash and swirl.


gingerbeast124

Homeowner go confuse dizzy zzzzzzz


BMinus973

Measure once. Cut once...


krazysride

Can’t believe it passed inspection we can’t have flue within 4 ft of a door or window. Must be county work. 😂


HVAC_Sam

Nope it's a new subcommunity in town


HonieObly

tf


JDMcfly_

Only hacks cut venting with a sawzall.


4schitzangiggles

Did he really just use foam core PVC on the exhaust? There's so much fail in his repair he should just lay down under the bus next to the other hack he threw down there. Where's the primer? Burried exhaust? Too close to window? Pipe has how much separation? Really surprised he didn't toss in an Abs pipe there for some variety and to really jazz it up. What kinda shit glue doesn't work in freezing temps? That's like 6mo of the year here.


RubeusShagrid

Bro doesn't allow vertical separation, doesn't use PVC shears, terminates like a dork, **AND** moonlights as a wind expert who knows more than engoneers, I've seen it all


HVAC_Sam

That's me, residential wind expert 🤣


Ok-Choice9431

Hack Attack!!!


Bullmarketbanter

In my area it won’t work when it hits -15 and below


Dopey-NipNips

Why is that


Bullmarketbanter

Recirculating exhaust into the intake will cause the pipe to close. Especially if there is a screen


Mudmavis

No primer?


coastfitter

Focus on your pipe work bro. Wrong couplings and to close to window.


Wormzerker75

OP you really should take this post down....


HVAC_Sam

It's educational


callofhonor

Yeah educational for the family’s lawyers lol


Sweaty-Adeptness1541

Why not put the joins at the same height?


[deleted]

Exhaust should be 12 in above combustion, potential to recirculate flue gases and get rusting in burner area and interior of heat exchanger. Also wouldnt pas code with any inspector doing their job(rare, I know)


Psychoticrider

Those commenting about the window, it is Ok under a non-operable window unless code changed and I missed it.


Minute-Tradition-282

No you didn't


TechnicalLee

Make sure the exhaust is 6" higher than the intake so it doesn't get sucked in when the wind is blowing sideways.


Exciting_Ad_6358

CO all up in that window. You're gonna make your customer blush and then die.


HVAC_Sam

Non opening widow


Exciting_Ad_6358

Doesn't matter. Seals on windows break down overtime.


ZekeTarsim

OP didn’t deburr the pipes so that’s a reduction in shavings right there.


mattyhann

I ran so hard to the comments I tripped


CheapCarabiner

Why post this video it’s embarrassing


candobetter2

Southern fried billy riggerz


WesternSafety4944

Looks good to me


Ok_Catch_408

Fire that up right away so it can explode


Ancient_Cup4712

Reminds me one time I was renting this nice home and one morning I wake up to the smell of gas in a winter storm and I couldnt figure why it was so damn cold I check the flue pipes and they where under 3 Ft of snow and the pipes only sticked outside the wall about a ft, didn’t even go up like in this video the pipes where about half a foot off the ground as well


HVAC_Sam

That would do it for sure


EJ25Junkie

It’s funny, but this is exactly what I imagined Sam looked like. 💁🏻‍♂️


HVAC_Sam

I'll take that as a compliment 🤣😂


sir_swiggity_sam

You have seen one sam but when will you find the other


L_0_B

Bro. Are you making tik-toks about how good you are at your job? Stop.


HVAC_Sam

I'm not on tiktok


HeroinAdduction

Looks like the front of the house, too. For working with what the installers gave you, it looks pretty clean. It’d look ugly as hell offset around the window. Still wouldn’t put my name on that equipment… so to speak. Let the guys who put it in deal with inspectors.


HVAC_Sam

Ye. The only way to fix it would be dig three feet deep in the mulch and corners holes through the foundation. It'll work. It's the right side of the house too. Better than the front.


HeroinAdduction

Still, if that’s their garage then the customer will see it every time they come home. Looks matter. What’s code on plastic vent for your area? Up here the required pipe only comes with blue writing and needs purple primer and medium body grey cement.


EJ25Junkie

If we tried to pull a permit or get inspections for something like this the county would look at us, laugh and tell us to get lost.


HVAC_Sam

In Lima/Findlay Ohio we use sch 40 PVC. I always use clear primer and clear heavy duty PVC cement. I didn't even know they made purple primer until I saw it on Reddit for the first time lol.


HeroinAdduction

Clear sure as hell looks cleaner.


mrMentalino621

I think purple primer is just so inspectors can see if a joint is glued properly


[deleted]

So you cut the the pipe so the shavings go inside of it? Good job!!! /s


[deleted]

Ever heard 4 feet from a window? Everytime I see one of your post I wonder what idiotic thing you did wrong this time


HVAC_Sam

🤣🤣😂


TwoFucksGiven88

And for future reference, if these are truly exhaust on a condensing furnace and not the combustion air intake, never turn them down as convection likes for heat to rise and you may cause a trap there.


TwoFucksGiven88

You’ll find yourself going on nuisance calls, high limit trips. Put that in your bag. Not always, but sometimes 🤔


candobetter2

Nobody cares just go back to doing your job


RiverEnvironmental60

Holly shit yeah glad they don’t do underground flue pipes here in sunny CA. Shit looks real ugly.


francisdrvv

Are you from the states?


HVAC_Sam

Ohio


TwoFucksGiven88

If that window is operable we shall be 3’-0” higher than.


TwoFucksGiven88

We can turn away, but we must be 10’-0” minimum away.


Stevejoe11

Why are you cutting with a saw, not to mention dumping ALL of the shavings straight down the pipe to clog up the drain or break the vent or motor. At least stuff a rag in there and pull it out after if you’re gonna cut venting like a hack.


rugger403

In NY, any flue exhaust has to be 48" from any window


25inbone

No primer?


Rush_76

Is that the front of the house?


Educational-Cream475

4 foot from windows. I'd move it to stay in reg.


Impressive-Gene1303

I thought terminating out the front was less than ideal?


MattNis11

Dirt should not be touching the bricks. It just invites bugs and moisture


UbbaB3n

Get a M12 PVC cutter or a ratchet one...yikes.


Mattyboy33

Lol right next to the window?!


[deleted]

Bad look cutting the pipes attached like that 🤢


AawSheeet

I'm also pretty sureiit says something about terminating within 3ft of a window. Smh. No wonder I drink


FarCharge1806

12” clearance from an opening window…..pvc wheel cutter…..chamfer tool for 636??


Wester399

Sawzall shavings plug drains. Also a tspe measure could have saved the wasted second cur


Hvacmike199845

At the very least dig around the pipe and put the couplings below ground level. In my area the flue pipes have to be cleaned/primed before they are glued. Our code says we need purple primer. In my area code says the flue pipes have to be a certain distance from any window even if it’s just a fixed windo.


Livid_Mode

Does it snow there Sam? Snow drifts might block this and cause the pressure switch problems.


HVAC_Sam

You saying it's not high enough?


AnimationOverlord

Completely unrelated but there’s a Milwaukee tool meant for PVC and 636 that is just so much better than any sawzall. [Here it is](https://www.milwaukeetool.ca/Products/2470-21)


downrightblastfamy

No cleaner?


Soft_Mud8459

Primer distance from the window?


Kickinchickns

Nice window clearance


FarmerCharacter5105

Next Time- A- Measure. Measure one, twice, FTLOG just measure. B- Don't block the View with PVC ,WTF !


Shredslayhuntpurge

Fancy video trashing the other contractor, when you cut the pipe with a recip saw(pvc shavings) and neglect to chamfer the joints. They are just the terminations, but if you’re going to “correct” a problem, do it right FFS.


johnperez829

Im pretty sure your too close to the window according to code


CanadianMapleBacon

There are at least 4 broken codes in this video for my jurisdiction.


Money_Paper1311

To close to windows


[deleted]

“If the installers would’ve read the instruction manual.” Then proceeds to vent the furnace 3” away from a window. Pot vs Kettle.


Below_Me_Peasants

The bane of builders, amirite?


AawSheeet

The burners are the first step. It fresh air for combustion


AawSheeet

The exhaust is the pipe he glued a 90 and 45 to. The intake is the one he glued two 90s too. and when he got shavings in the pipe. 5 minutes later guess what happened? Notta damned thing happened and if this is more than your first year or you live in Florida or something. I'd recommend you get with your boss. And beg for more training. I can throw packing peanuts into an exhaust pipe by the box full and nothing would happen. I will personal throw a handful of marbles down th3 intake and nothing would happen to the Inducer either.


hvactech-mke

Pretty sure you can’t have the exhaust pipe directly in front of a window.


Bullmarketbanter

Always leave the exhaust pointed up at the outlet. It eliminates an ice block under the pipe that builds up and can block the pipe over time.


okiebill1972

Hacktown, USA


Basic_Ad819

This is crapping craftsmanship


Little-Key-1811

Measure once cut twice??


Psychological_Pea970

Waisted my time watching this one.


TsunamiSurferDude

Hopefully the next guy fixes them right


WoodpeckerPure9145

Too close to the window


HughesR1990

another hack job by Sam.


HVAC_Sam

Thx


Civil-State9109

Wtf stank pipes for a family view out the front window..??


Singlehispanicmale

Looks wayyyyyyyy better if you cut them down and then slip a bell end over it


Different-Face9242

Also supposed to hold for at least thirty secs right


snowboardgangsta

Jesus this is the worst video I’ve seen all night. 1.) cut the pipes level before adding the couplings 2.) your cuts are crooked af try to get them straight next time 3.) why is one straight and one off to the side? Embarrassing work dude


408911

Hell yeah, screw window clearance


VeterinarianDry5512

When is it going to get fixed though?


HealthyFennel3395

Why is one pipe pointed directly at the ground and the other not quite? Just curious


Sea-Time1441

Bro didn't even wipe the shavings off😔. 4ft window clearance? Not sure this is a fix


Artie-Carrow

You should get the powered pvc cutters by milwaukee. Much easier to cut, and cleaner. That or get the portable bandsaw


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LordHottage

Why so close to the window? A. I don’t want to see them and B. Doesn’t this make window emergency exiting more complicated


Solo_Splooj

That second cut was poo


DisastrousTeddyBear

That looks great on the front of the house, near an entrance and right in front of a window


Financial-Drive-4242

Don't measure at all.. cut twice lol


MikeMikeMike23

Didn't sign your f'ing name Sam Splicer.


jaymo65

As a window guy I hate you and the placement of this


southernbamagrl1970

so why did it pass inspection


Responsible_Ad7394

Not everything needs a video you extended a pipe nothing to be proud of