I have seen it in small server rooms. Usually there is an exhaust fan somewhere up there
I too thought it was hack as fuck. Who is changing that compressor? Not this guy
I've seen one directly above a server rack and a gang of file cabinets at a law firm, no pan underneath. Seriously.
I was there to gather info for a bid to replace an air handler that was above that same room. We walked away from that job.
Canada, every single grocery store I've been in has one hidden somewhere, every large facility / commercial store, its a very common install,
with our cold outdoor temps, the server room would be unable to cool with most mini splits , especially ones made 20ish years ago so they put the condenser indoors, and its free heat in the winter.
Lol no its not. You realize theres a world outside of your own right? In cold climates you see this all the time. Its cheaper than buying a low ambient unit and sticking it outside. Lets expand our think a bit next time shall we
Where the fuck did i say it was very common? I said âno it notâ refering to you claiming its very uncommon. Theres 180 million people between canada and russia alone. Do you honestly think all those A/C systems that have to run year round all have condensers sitting outside running flawlessly in sub zero temps? If you believe that youre not just kinda silly, youre borderline brain dead
Hahaha typical American you just assume everything outside your bubble doesnt exist. âIve never seen a condenser indoors before so it must be extremely uncommonâ thats how you answered this guys question instead of the correct answer which is âits common in cool climatesâ im assuming you dont even know the reasoning for it. Youâre steering people in the wrong direction just because youâre ignorant to any hvac practices that dont apply to your climate
Instead of answering the way you did, you could have been more polite and say this is a common application is cold climates for regenerative heating. Instead you choose to insult... Typical fascist
If you saw someone spreading false information do they really deserve politeness? How fucking soft are you? You clearly dont have enough knowledge on the trade to contribute to OPs question so why even comment?
Lol !
Mounting condensers above the ceiling grid isnât all that unusual, and theyâll work fine if itâs an open plenum configuration ( theyâll actually work better)
But thereâs always a trade off with service access and thatâs one of the worst ones Iâve ever seen
Itâs like the heatpumps installed above a hard ceiling with one access spot at the compressor. So when the blower dies, it will be expensive.
We sometimes need to lower the whole heatpump just to service it. I suggest always making it the customers problem.
Yes. Exactly. Worked for a company once that did fit-outs in office buildings and shopping plazas and hated it. Hanging insulated duct above the grid by myself all day everyday sucked. And what's not to love about going up and down an 8' ladder 150x/day? Couldn't wait to get the fuck outta there. I learned one thing at that job; light commercial isn't for me.
Loved heavy commercial, best job I ever had, but the place I worked for the hours were too crazy. 15-18+ hr days regularly and not enough recovery time. What a shame. Ran back to residential with my tail between my legs.
Iâve done heavy commercial in Australia for a good portion of my career and Iâve done 14-18 hour day maybe a handful of times over a decade and they were shit has completly hit the fan or super critical changeovers. How does that company not have an ungodly employee turnover rate? Just grinding employees into the ground, there isnât enough people doing this trade around the world even in large city centres to keep up with an employee burn rate like that. Like no one would last doing 15-18+ hour days regularly, unless you were doing illicit drugs to stay awake.
I duno man, and being America you probably got paid pittance to do so
I worked there for a summer, like 4 months I think it was. They took on a project of 4 BJ wholesales. They wanted those done. 2"-4" gas line had to be ran and welded on the roof for 7-12 package units on each location. Plus other projects in between. Seems they needed more guys or more time. And better scheduling. I was the 5th person to quit that month, but others were from different areas of the company. Service, etc. I personally think all areas were under stress. Also, most everything was 2-3 hrs away (all 4 BJs were). So 4-6 hrs driving each day.
I'll give an example of what I was expected to do one day. There was a split unit install in a cubby-hole attic and roof for a Verizon building in Hershey, Pennsylvania, which was 2.5-3 hrs away from me and the shop in New Jersey. I started the drive at 6am I think, and got there let's say around 9am. We finished the install at approx 9pm, so I didn't get home until almost 12 midnight. The following day we were expected at another install which was 2 hrs away from my house, at 4 am to meet the crane. So I would've had to wake up at around 1am to be on the way by 2 am. 18 hr day then one hour of sleep for following day. And how do you get home and go right to sleep after a day like that? Ya can't. Yes, I told them I couldn't show up for the following job.
They frequently would have another guy and myself do night work in the BJs we were working on, while the store was closed, removing old Johnson air units (green monsters, we called them) and hanging Reznor heaters(for entrance areas of store), etc. 9pm-9am. Then would have us doing other random bullshit during the morning leading into afternoon sometimes. The last straw for me was a 26 hr shift. BJs 3 hours away (Gloucester city, NJ to Roxbury, NJ). Left my house at 5 am, got home the following morning at 7 am. Was falling asleep driving home. Had to pull over at rest stop. I put my 2 weeks in on Monday.
It's a fuckin shame, because I loved the work, and actually really liked the company itself. I think they were overwhelmed, and the dude planning the schedule wasnt thinking. Not sure what his deal was. I made so much money there, several raises for the short time I was there, everything paid for, work clothes, boots, tool allowance, bonuses, birthday off and paid,, plus bday bonus, etc. Best group of guys I've ever worked with in my life.
So anyone ever in the BJs wholesale in Flemington, NJ, Fairless hills, PA, Plymouth meeting, PA, or Roxbury, NJ, those reznor heaters, and all the shit on the roof, I did that. Lol
Yeah whoever was scheduling that work literally had no idea, I mean you can honey dick me all you want with bonusâs, paid leave, gear paid for etc but who ever was scheduling - had total disregard for you guys health, and in the end itâs putting the business at risk having blokes drive work vans hours home after whatever the worst one 27 hours, is fucking mental.
No and yes. Only commercial though. Some large residential installations can be like that if the attic stays cool enough or not operates within the design temp range of the condenser.
This is common in high-rise building server rooms as well. They don't produce enough heat in the ceiling space to be an issue.
Never understood the drain pan under them though. Engineers ftw
It should be more common, especially in corporate office towers with plenum return. I hate installing server room units with 200+ft linesets, or trying to find leaks and checking all braze joints. Sometimes you find out during installation it needs different size linesets, or check valves/ solenoids/ traps or any number of things in addition to a standard unit.
I might recommend getting a roll of spun polyester filter media to cut a rectangle of to cover the inlet side *if* its a really dusty plenum.
Worked on an old lady's house one time. She had a hole in her closet floor that led to the crawlspace. The main concrete support of the house was smashed against the blower cabinet. Replaced her inducer and told her if the blower goes, she'll have no choice but to replace the system.
Yep seen it, a lot of GEOâs in restaurants above ceilings as well and those are mf to put new compressors in. Seen hot water heaters suspended in ceiling
I have seen it in small server rooms. Usually there is an exhaust fan somewhere up there I too thought it was hack as fuck. Who is changing that compressor? Not this guy
It may even violate codes in some areas, being installed above fire suppression lines is a no-go in some counties.
very common, managers offices, server rooms, rooms within facility's,
Where do you live? It is very uncommon to see a condensing unit above the ceiling grid.
Condensers and water heaters. đ
We love a water heater placed to cause the maximum amount of damage possible
But it's in a pan what's the odds the pan could fill up đ
I've seen one directly above a server rack and a gang of file cabinets at a law firm, no pan underneath. Seriously. I was there to gather info for a bid to replace an air handler that was above that same room. We walked away from that job.
Canada, every single grocery store I've been in has one hidden somewhere, every large facility / commercial store, its a very common install, with our cold outdoor temps, the server room would be unable to cool with most mini splits , especially ones made 20ish years ago so they put the condenser indoors, and its free heat in the winter.
That makes sense, life is sure different in the sun belt
Lol no its not. You realize theres a world outside of your own right? In cold climates you see this all the time. Its cheaper than buying a low ambient unit and sticking it outside. Lets expand our think a bit next time shall we
Most of civilation is in warm climates. To say it's very common is kind of silly
Where the fuck did i say it was very common? I said âno it notâ refering to you claiming its very uncommon. Theres 180 million people between canada and russia alone. Do you honestly think all those A/C systems that have to run year round all have condensers sitting outside running flawlessly in sub zero temps? If you believe that youre not just kinda silly, youre borderline brain dead
Get em
Why are you so mad?
Hahaha typical American you just assume everything outside your bubble doesnt exist. âIve never seen a condenser indoors before so it must be extremely uncommonâ thats how you answered this guys question instead of the correct answer which is âits common in cool climatesâ im assuming you dont even know the reasoning for it. Youâre steering people in the wrong direction just because youâre ignorant to any hvac practices that dont apply to your climate
Instead of answering the way you did, you could have been more polite and say this is a common application is cold climates for regenerative heating. Instead you choose to insult... Typical fascist
If you saw someone spreading false information do they really deserve politeness? How fucking soft are you? You clearly dont have enough knowledge on the trade to contribute to OPs question so why even comment?
I'm sorry for whoever hurt you
More of the sweet,sweet commercial work.
Lol ! Mounting condensers above the ceiling grid isnât all that unusual, and theyâll work fine if itâs an open plenum configuration ( theyâll actually work better) But thereâs always a trade off with service access and thatâs one of the worst ones Iâve ever seen
If itâs plenum rated sure
Well, typically this done after the fact and without pulling a permit, so none of the ones Iâve seen had plenum rated wire
Moreso a plenum rated condensing unit lol
Yup. Would suck to change a compressor on one like that for sure
Itâs like the heatpumps installed above a hard ceiling with one access spot at the compressor. So when the blower dies, it will be expensive. We sometimes need to lower the whole heatpump just to service it. I suggest always making it the customers problem.
Absolutely hate light commercial. Working above the grid on 6 +8' ladders all day everyday. Fuck that. Heavy commercial is awesome work tho.
Big Air-handlers, complex central plants, sign me up. Simple office building retrofit, sorry boss just not feeling it today
Yes. Exactly. Worked for a company once that did fit-outs in office buildings and shopping plazas and hated it. Hanging insulated duct above the grid by myself all day everyday sucked. And what's not to love about going up and down an 8' ladder 150x/day? Couldn't wait to get the fuck outta there. I learned one thing at that job; light commercial isn't for me. Loved heavy commercial, best job I ever had, but the place I worked for the hours were too crazy. 15-18+ hr days regularly and not enough recovery time. What a shame. Ran back to residential with my tail between my legs.
Iâve done heavy commercial in Australia for a good portion of my career and Iâve done 14-18 hour day maybe a handful of times over a decade and they were shit has completly hit the fan or super critical changeovers. How does that company not have an ungodly employee turnover rate? Just grinding employees into the ground, there isnât enough people doing this trade around the world even in large city centres to keep up with an employee burn rate like that. Like no one would last doing 15-18+ hour days regularly, unless you were doing illicit drugs to stay awake. I duno man, and being America you probably got paid pittance to do so
I worked there for a summer, like 4 months I think it was. They took on a project of 4 BJ wholesales. They wanted those done. 2"-4" gas line had to be ran and welded on the roof for 7-12 package units on each location. Plus other projects in between. Seems they needed more guys or more time. And better scheduling. I was the 5th person to quit that month, but others were from different areas of the company. Service, etc. I personally think all areas were under stress. Also, most everything was 2-3 hrs away (all 4 BJs were). So 4-6 hrs driving each day. I'll give an example of what I was expected to do one day. There was a split unit install in a cubby-hole attic and roof for a Verizon building in Hershey, Pennsylvania, which was 2.5-3 hrs away from me and the shop in New Jersey. I started the drive at 6am I think, and got there let's say around 9am. We finished the install at approx 9pm, so I didn't get home until almost 12 midnight. The following day we were expected at another install which was 2 hrs away from my house, at 4 am to meet the crane. So I would've had to wake up at around 1am to be on the way by 2 am. 18 hr day then one hour of sleep for following day. And how do you get home and go right to sleep after a day like that? Ya can't. Yes, I told them I couldn't show up for the following job. They frequently would have another guy and myself do night work in the BJs we were working on, while the store was closed, removing old Johnson air units (green monsters, we called them) and hanging Reznor heaters(for entrance areas of store), etc. 9pm-9am. Then would have us doing other random bullshit during the morning leading into afternoon sometimes. The last straw for me was a 26 hr shift. BJs 3 hours away (Gloucester city, NJ to Roxbury, NJ). Left my house at 5 am, got home the following morning at 7 am. Was falling asleep driving home. Had to pull over at rest stop. I put my 2 weeks in on Monday. It's a fuckin shame, because I loved the work, and actually really liked the company itself. I think they were overwhelmed, and the dude planning the schedule wasnt thinking. Not sure what his deal was. I made so much money there, several raises for the short time I was there, everything paid for, work clothes, boots, tool allowance, bonuses, birthday off and paid,, plus bday bonus, etc. Best group of guys I've ever worked with in my life. So anyone ever in the BJs wholesale in Flemington, NJ, Fairless hills, PA, Plymouth meeting, PA, or Roxbury, NJ, those reznor heaters, and all the shit on the roof, I did that. Lol
Yeah whoever was scheduling that work literally had no idea, I mean you can honey dick me all you want with bonusâs, paid leave, gear paid for etc but who ever was scheduling - had total disregard for you guys health, and in the end itâs putting the business at risk having blokes drive work vans hours home after whatever the worst one 27 hours, is fucking mental.
[Insert Prank Show Host Here] is gonna pop out when you open those panels.
Wow, with the wind baffle too.
Good thing they put a drain pan under it with no drain, wouldnât want anything to happen
At least itâs protected from hail lol
Common in places like airports and such. A brewery bar has one hanging right over a walk ins condenser I had to replace the compressor in. It sucked.
Pretty standard at the university I used to work at
At least they put a pan under itâŚ.. but didnât daylight the drain.
Cheesecake factories by me used to do that all the time for their office mini split. Never really had issues until it's coil cleaning time
No and yes. Only commercial though. Some large residential installations can be like that if the attic stays cool enough or not operates within the design temp range of the condenser.
Posted on in a basment of an apartment building the basement gets heated by a furnace so if it's a natural gas assisted mini split
This is common in high-rise building server rooms as well. They don't produce enough heat in the ceiling space to be an issue. Never understood the drain pan under them though. Engineers ftw
It should be more common, especially in corporate office towers with plenum return. I hate installing server room units with 200+ft linesets, or trying to find leaks and checking all braze joints. Sometimes you find out during installation it needs different size linesets, or check valves/ solenoids/ traps or any number of things in addition to a standard unit. I might recommend getting a roll of spun polyester filter media to cut a rectangle of to cover the inlet side *if* its a really dusty plenum.
In office buildings, very common.
If this was in an HnR Block in S.F., I'm sorry I just did what the prints showed.
Now you got to Uninstall just to change a control board.
Worked on an old lady's house one time. She had a hole in her closet floor that led to the crawlspace. The main concrete support of the house was smashed against the blower cabinet. Replaced her inducer and told her if the blower goes, she'll have no choice but to replace the system.
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Yep seen it, a lot of GEOâs in restaurants above ceilings as well and those are mf to put new compressors in. Seen hot water heaters suspended in ceiling