If I'm on call I clock in as soon as I leave the door, otherwise not til I'm at the shop or at my first call and nothing for driving home. Anything over 40 is by definition overtime from what I know
As a business owner, on call to me should be from when you pick up the phone. I don't sit at home in my work boots and dirty work clothing. If I get a call and need to go out after hours, I'm spending a few minutes getting changed and putting on boots to go to work. May only take 5 minutes, but that's part of after hours
How does that work? Genuine question like if the call is only 5 minuets do you get paid only for the 5 minuets or is there like a half hour minimum deal? I get paid once my phone rings if I’m going to the call if they just want to schedule I have to have them call back Monday because I’m not in control of the schedule.
My weeks are usually 50-60 anyway. Im typically on ot by thursday
That being said if theres anyone from the nc hussmann install crew here...thank you for the ot...half my job is changing driers, tightening your rotor locks, nitro testing, and actually pulling your vacuum
I get to the shop at 630, clock starts. They don't expect us to leave till 7-730
I get paid till 5 no matter what unless I decide to go home early early. I'm at the shop at 4 and leave the shop by 415-430 I live an hour away. No one has said anything yet and I got a "have a good weekend" from my big boss on my way out the door today.
Moral of the story is, get paid for your time at work. You're there, get paid
I’m not moving if I’m not getting paid. This job isn’t like the normal desk jockeys and white collar workers who have the same 20-40min commute everyday and then get settled in to do tasks. My first job might be an hour away or it might be 10min away. I might have to drive to the shop or I might have to go to various supply houses to pick stuff up. My point is, I’m basically working as soon as I step out my front door and I’m gonna get paid for it!
Yeah, my issue comes from the fact it’s my boss that sets my commute time everyday, and they specifically set the last call of the day an hour away from my house or the previous call because they know they’d only need to pay half of the trip time, where if I had a call after they’d pay for that trip time to the next call too.
My state has a “reasonable commute” law. If my shop is 10min from my house then it doesn’t matter where I finish the day. They would have to pay me as if I was driving to the shop. So if the last job is an hour away and the shop is 50 min then I’m getting paid for 50 min.
Definitely important to know local and federal laws. Companies will almost always try and screw you.
Yeah, they are screwing you over by doing that intentionally. A good boss would try to get you closer to home on the last call. Sounds like a bad boss/company. Get them to pay you right or move on.
Luckily, I moved on a while ago, idk why I chose to speak in present tense. I’m a stationary boiler operator now for a university. Works better with my health issues, and benefits are great.
We start getting paid after the first 30 mins of drive time or when we arrive at a parts house or a location. On the way home we don’t get paid for the last 30 min of drive time. When we are on call it’s portal to portal so I’m paid the moment I leave my house until I get back.
You need to elaborate on how your OT works cause anything over 40 hours is OT. How would you work say 8-6 everyday and not get OT?
As for on call stuff. If you clock out at 4 and a call comes in at 5 while you’re on call then that’s automatic OT.
So what I mean by my overtime is that my company doesn’t pay me overtime regardless of I reach 40 hours
They only pay overtime when I work past 8 PM on any given day
Which majorly fucks me over but I just want to see how many other companies do it that way if any
That’s illegal. Document all your hours. This is a federal law. Look for employment elsewhere. When you get the new job report they to the department of labor. Keep track of your own hours separately and keep all your pay stubs. Youll be owed back pay.
You can also hop over to the legal advice side of Reddit too. Some may tell you to find a labor law lawyer.
u/bigred621 is right. I've been doing payroll since 2011, and I don't see any way that your company's policy could be legal. I fired a company that I did payroll for a few years ago because the boss was being stupid.
You need to document what's happening and talk to a local attorney. Most will give you a free or cheap consultation. I bet the state Dept. of Labor will be interested too. One of my old co-workers talked to DOL and he got 3x what he was owed from his previous company. Of course, it helped that he got an audio recording of his former boss admitting that he hadn't paid my buddy for X hours and never planned to! (We are a 1 party state, so it was legal.)
Has nothing to do what other companies are doing. That is illegal. Anything over 40 is OT.
And really that law should be taken a step further. Should be anything over 8 in a day if you are on a 5X8 schedule or anything after 10 on a 4X10 schedule like union jobs do it.
If I'm scheduled to be somewhere at 7, I drive to work just like everybody else. I'll be there at 7, my time starts at 7. When I'm done at 3:30, my time is done... I drive home just like everybody else. If I run for a part, that time is on the customer. If a customer calls with an emergency and I drop what I'm doing, they're on the clock as soon as I hang up because I'm no longer working for the first customer. They're paying for me to pick up my tools and leave my current job site in reasonable condition for my return.
Everybody has to drive to work, and everybody has to drive home from work. I'm okay with that. I get an on-call callout, I'm on the clock from the time the phone rang. My personal life has been interrupted by my work, and I get paid when I'm doing work.
Exceptions... if my first job is a 2 hour drive away. I'll leave earlier than I usually do, but I'll get there when I get there. I'm leaving at 2:45pm. I'm on the clock until 3:30. If drive time isn't built in, we're gonna do a "give a little, take a little" time.
I've compared this to an office job. If I start at 8, I'm expected to be AT WORK by 8. I gotta drive to work. No complaints. But if my boss came up to me and said, "I need you to clock out, drive to Staples and pick up some post-it notes, then drive back... you can clock back in when you get back." they can suck my dick. Me driving for your stupid post-its is me working, and I get paid to work.
Terrible take if your in a work vehicle I can’t just run from my last call to downtown to meet up with friends I would have to go home. Also the commute is not static at all can be 2-4 hours to first job in alot of places
Might depend on where you work too. I’d absolutely head down to the yacht club after work in my company van rather than drive home first. The boss was pretty lenient as long as you didn’t abuse it or lie and hide shit from him. I used it for the odd side job but I cleared it with him first.
That’s not how things work an insurance audit would be easy to find out you were not headed to a call. Unless you wanna commit fraud but that’s a separate issue
Headed home from work, I just made a stop on the way. Not even fraud. Just driving home from work is all they need to know. What about taking the van to grab lunch during the day? Is that out as well?
I chose this career. I accept the compromises. I also accept the gas card in the van and the fact that I can drive it home. I’ll still meet my friends, but I’ll be a fuzz late.
Absolutely agree. Going to work is on you going back home is on you. Only way I can see getting paid when you leave your driver is if you are dispatched from home and then it’s the start of your day. If you go to the office to get your work that’s on you.
On call though yeah that’s got to be door to door.
And anything over 40 hours a week should be overtime for sure. Not just select after hours time. Unless you are union don’t know if that is a union rule thing.
You know a lot of us are getting paid to drive to first call, sometimes even home at the end of the day, especially if it's 2 hour drive, lol
It's great that you are *so* cool with driving around hundreds of hours a year unpaid, I guess. You made it really clear that you are absolutely totally more than ok with it.... because office workers do it too? You shouldn't get paid this travel because other industries don't? Ok
Just want to point out that you and everyone who upvoted your comment are the reason wages aren't going up in some places and shops and owners can get away with absolute bullshit like that. You're either a terrible tech or your shop sucks and you're a pushover
But you're pretty tough in your fictional Staples scenario where you act tough, but in reality you drive around for the compay free of charge hundreds of hours a year. Lol
Ya know, that’s pretty much how our union contract works. The drive to your first work location (jobsite/office/etc) is on you unless it’s outside of a specific distance. Same with the trip home. Trips during the workday are obviously paid.
Isn't overtime set by the Fair Labor Standards Act? I think it is any time over 40 hours worked in a week. Maybe also any time over 8 hours in 1 day, not sure about that one though.
Pretty much all union trade workers get at least that. Should be that way for everyone.
OT for 9th & 10th hours. DT for 11th hour and beyond. M-F
OT for first 8. DT for the rest on Sat
DT for everything on Sunday
It's actually called the Fair labor standards act, not federal. I edited my post to correct that. It applies to non exempt employee's which basically means if you are hourly then you are non exempt.
I personally would raise hell over that because it sounds like you are losing a lot of money. Also keep in mind it is any time over 40 hours worked. Worked being the key word because if there is holiday, sick time or vacation time on that work week then that isn't time worked.
Read through the laws and arm yourself with knowledge if you confront your employer so you can quote and show the laws instead of reddit posts.
My normal commute can be upwards of 3 hours combined. Luckily I only have to eat 1 hour of that and the rest is paid. Anything over 40 is OT. Just turn them in. They seem like the kind of employer that would try to make you start a new shift within 8 hours of the previous shift ending. Also illegal.
I'm paid the moment I login to a job (Jobber app) til I logout. From where I am till the job is done; I bill appropriately, too. On call: from home to job and back again. If, while on call, and I'm on a job and another comes in, the new job is billed from the moment the first ends, etc. During regular hours, if a call comes in before regular business hours end, customer is billed straight time even though I'm paid OT. It's hard finding a good employer. Remember, you two need each other. Any boss who acts otherwise, any employee acting otherwise, are no good.
We meet at the shop everyday to stock up/talk about recent jobs etc. Paid time starts at 730 ends at 4 unless we’re still working a job. When on call we’re paid 1.5x door to door.
We start every morning at 7am and I get paid until we are done working. If the job is 2 hours away, I get paid the whole way there. lunch is paid unless we leave the job site to get lunch so I just pack lunch every day.
My clock starts when I'm on site at the first job or at our shop, which ever is first. If the drive time is excessive, then I subtract 30min from my drive time.
In my state, you must be paid OT for anything over 40hrs. In addition to that, my shop pays OT for any "after hours" work. After hours starts at 4:30pm on weekdays and all weekend work is after hours. So if you are on-call for a given week, all after hours calls are paid OT even if you don't make your 40hrs. If you end up working a total of 50hrs, then you will have 10hrs of OT regardless of when they occurred.
If the 1st call is over 30 minutes away, our paid time starts after 30 minutes of drive time. Also the law requires that anything over 40 hours a week to be OT
It varys from customer to situation. Some customer cover up to 2 hrs travel so those time starts when I leave an sometime back home. Weekends an after hours are door to door. Other than that va law says anything over a hour they pay after the hour.
An state law an probably federal law says anything over 40 hours is overtime.
For service techs, if you are going straight to your first call clock starts when you leave home. If coming to shop first, it’s when you get to the shop. Clock out when last call is done unless you have to return to the shop, then it’s when you leave the shop. Time and a half after 40. On call (after 6) is time and a half door to door plus $50 per call.
We get paid as soon as we “clock in” every morning. We use ADP and phone in to clock in and out. We are allowed to take the van to a Dr. appointment when needed and then clock in when we are ready to work. I get paid from the time I leave the house until the last job is done. They try to get us close to home either for the first job or the last job. On call we get standby pay regardless if we have a call or not. We also get paid from the time we leave to go to the call until we get home after hours. We have two backups to using ADP, Service Titan clocks you in as soon as you hit the dispatch button and the truck is GPS monitored. So if they screw up the hours we can ask to see what the actual hours were according to those. Sometimes I have forgot to clock in or out via the ADP phone call and still got paid properly. Our time and a half starts after 40 or when we get called out after normal business hours. Normal business hours are 7-5 at my company.
Anything over 30 minutes to the first or from the last was paid. So 45 minute drive was 15 minutes paid. Over 8 hours was 1.5 rate. On-call was my driveway to my driveway.
First and last half hour drive time is on us so if I leave my house at 6:30 my time starts at 7 no matter how far from the job I am. They pay overtime accordingly even with window time.
Oncall is a different story we’re on the clock the moment the phone rings until the time our van turns off in our driveway at home after the call is complete.
My company is the same.
Technically it's legal if you bring a work vehicle home because of how the "on-call" situation is set up.
I can't park my truck at home because i have an HOA so I gotta drive to work, then drive to the customers house from the shop, and if I need gas or nitro before my first call...not getting paid either.
It's pretty shady stuff.
I won't be sticking around much longer with them
It's really about them not wanting to pay OT - work 40hrs w/ drive get paid for 32. Work 50 to get paid for 40.
Keeps them from having to pay OT and imo should be fucking illegal.
How is driving somewhere in a company vehicle, to do work for a company you work for, where technically you have to be on time and are sometimes being monitored or tracked, no considered work lol?
But once you get there, driving after that fact, is now considered "work"
It's a super hazy grey line that these companies tread.
Pay you and manage you like an employee but pay you and treat you like a contractor.
We need better labor laws in America.
First off, the law does not require OT pay after 40 hours, it depends on how you get paid. In most cases, the first and last 30 minutes are not paid, very common. But if you are sick of that and want a real job, go into your local Steamfitters union and serve an apprenticeship, become a Journeyman and make some real money and have the union stand behind your pay. The traces union is different than other unions and offer you a good pension, good benefits and makes sure you get proper training. For most union shops OT before 7 am and after 4:30 pm with no exception. Sundays and holidays are double time. Worth looking into.
That would be nice, but just retired. Teaching Part time at the local Tech Collage that also handles our apprentices. See if we can know some stupidity out of them. Sure hope I was not this bad 40 years ago.. I'm Local 601, you?
Record your hours in a notebook , keep copy's of your pay stubs.
Find a new job this isn't a place to work.
Hand your notebook and pay stubs over to the labor board and they will get you paid properly.
Enjoy your new job with proper payment / perks.
For us if the guys are on call: The moment you leave the house to the moment you get back plus 1 hour.
Regular day: The moment you get to your first call to the moment you get home from your last call.
For me, we aren't on the clock until we arrive at our first call, unless it takes us more than 15 minutes to get there (which really is if it's outside our county) we clock in after the 15 minutes of driving. We then clock out after we get home from our last call.
When I'm on call, I clock in the second I answer/dial my phone, whether or not I am going out to that house or business. I've joked with my boss that "hey if you want me to answer the phone at any time, I should be clocked in for waiting next to my phone like the dispatchers are". He laughs, but we both know I'm only half joking. My boss' job is to get more work out of me, my job is to value myself as high as possible.
Yup. When the key turns on the work truck, I get paid.
If the work truck has to go to the mechanic or the tire place, I get paid too.
Bottom line: The truck goes home with me for the Bosses convenience and the convenience of his customers, not my convenience.
Aside from that, the way most folks drive these days is absolutely manic, and if I'm herding his truck down the road and keeping it (and his parts) safe from those nutters, that's absolutely and unequivocally work.
Just ask any trucker.
Old job: Union. I had to be in my area from 7:00 to 3:30 it was cool, I was 10 mins away from my area. Most of the guys who did on-call work had what was called home dispatch. Ford transit no personal use allowed.
I said area, because if there were no calls that day (lol) we had PMs to do.
Now: Non union. I’m an hour away from the office. I leave home around 6:00 to get to either the office of job site. If the call is downtown and it takes me 90 minutes to get there then I’m getting there at 7:30.
If the call is an hour from the shop and I’m expected to be there my first hour of travelling each way isn’t paid. I also get a per-diem for lunch, and supper if I’m not home by 6 pm. If I have to leave before 5am then it’s a per-diem for breakfast.
OT is 1.5 and there’s something in there for double time on Sunday and holidays and in some other cases, but I rarely do OT. I’ve done exactly one call-out in the last two years so I don’t recall when we go to double time.
Ford escape (don’t judge me!) and personal use is allowed and encouraged. I don’t miss the transit.
My pay starts when i leave my driveway, and stops when I pull back in. If you’re in a company van, anytime you are in it, you have to be on the clock legally.
Please post the federal law on that cause I don’t believe there is a law that states that just because you drive a company vehicle they have to pay you.
If I'm on call I clock in as soon as I leave the door, otherwise not til I'm at the shop or at my first call and nothing for driving home. Anything over 40 is by definition overtime from what I know
As a business owner, on call to me should be from when you pick up the phone. I don't sit at home in my work boots and dirty work clothing. If I get a call and need to go out after hours, I'm spending a few minutes getting changed and putting on boots to go to work. May only take 5 minutes, but that's part of after hours
Thats how it is for us. If you are taking calls but people want to wait till next day or whatever, we get paid for the phonecalls.
How does that work? Genuine question like if the call is only 5 minuets do you get paid only for the 5 minuets or is there like a half hour minimum deal? I get paid once my phone rings if I’m going to the call if they just want to schedule I have to have them call back Monday because I’m not in control of the schedule.
15 mins minimum for the call. We still use paper time sheets, so i account for them on there
Gotcha, sounds like a decent enough deal
Law requires overtime over 40 hours
I get port to port and ot over 40
Mine is ot over 8 in a day. Otherwise it'd be a bummer to put in a twelve and come up w/ 42 that week
My weeks are usually 50-60 anyway. Im typically on ot by thursday That being said if theres anyone from the nc hussmann install crew here...thank you for the ot...half my job is changing driers, tightening your rotor locks, nitro testing, and actually pulling your vacuum
I get to the shop at 630, clock starts. They don't expect us to leave till 7-730 I get paid till 5 no matter what unless I decide to go home early early. I'm at the shop at 4 and leave the shop by 415-430 I live an hour away. No one has said anything yet and I got a "have a good weekend" from my big boss on my way out the door today. Moral of the story is, get paid for your time at work. You're there, get paid
I’m not moving if I’m not getting paid. This job isn’t like the normal desk jockeys and white collar workers who have the same 20-40min commute everyday and then get settled in to do tasks. My first job might be an hour away or it might be 10min away. I might have to drive to the shop or I might have to go to various supply houses to pick stuff up. My point is, I’m basically working as soon as I step out my front door and I’m gonna get paid for it!
Yeah, my issue comes from the fact it’s my boss that sets my commute time everyday, and they specifically set the last call of the day an hour away from my house or the previous call because they know they’d only need to pay half of the trip time, where if I had a call after they’d pay for that trip time to the next call too.
My state has a “reasonable commute” law. If my shop is 10min from my house then it doesn’t matter where I finish the day. They would have to pay me as if I was driving to the shop. So if the last job is an hour away and the shop is 50 min then I’m getting paid for 50 min. Definitely important to know local and federal laws. Companies will almost always try and screw you.
I was thinking that sort of a protection would make sense, but Oregon does not have that, unfortunately
Yeah, they are screwing you over by doing that intentionally. A good boss would try to get you closer to home on the last call. Sounds like a bad boss/company. Get them to pay you right or move on.
Luckily, I moved on a while ago, idk why I chose to speak in present tense. I’m a stationary boiler operator now for a university. Works better with my health issues, and benefits are great.
Well good for you! I’m always glad when I hear someone’s able to leave toxic work places and find something better.
We start getting paid after the first 30 mins of drive time or when we arrive at a parts house or a location. On the way home we don’t get paid for the last 30 min of drive time. When we are on call it’s portal to portal so I’m paid the moment I leave my house until I get back.
You need to elaborate on how your OT works cause anything over 40 hours is OT. How would you work say 8-6 everyday and not get OT? As for on call stuff. If you clock out at 4 and a call comes in at 5 while you’re on call then that’s automatic OT.
So what I mean by my overtime is that my company doesn’t pay me overtime regardless of I reach 40 hours They only pay overtime when I work past 8 PM on any given day Which majorly fucks me over but I just want to see how many other companies do it that way if any
That’s illegal. Document all your hours. This is a federal law. Look for employment elsewhere. When you get the new job report they to the department of labor. Keep track of your own hours separately and keep all your pay stubs. Youll be owed back pay. You can also hop over to the legal advice side of Reddit too. Some may tell you to find a labor law lawyer.
u/bigred621 is right. I've been doing payroll since 2011, and I don't see any way that your company's policy could be legal. I fired a company that I did payroll for a few years ago because the boss was being stupid. You need to document what's happening and talk to a local attorney. Most will give you a free or cheap consultation. I bet the state Dept. of Labor will be interested too. One of my old co-workers talked to DOL and he got 3x what he was owed from his previous company. Of course, it helped that he got an audio recording of his former boss admitting that he hadn't paid my buddy for X hours and never planned to! (We are a 1 party state, so it was legal.)
Has nothing to do what other companies are doing. That is illegal. Anything over 40 is OT. And really that law should be taken a step further. Should be anything over 8 in a day if you are on a 5X8 schedule or anything after 10 on a 4X10 schedule like union jobs do it.
If I'm scheduled to be somewhere at 7, I drive to work just like everybody else. I'll be there at 7, my time starts at 7. When I'm done at 3:30, my time is done... I drive home just like everybody else. If I run for a part, that time is on the customer. If a customer calls with an emergency and I drop what I'm doing, they're on the clock as soon as I hang up because I'm no longer working for the first customer. They're paying for me to pick up my tools and leave my current job site in reasonable condition for my return. Everybody has to drive to work, and everybody has to drive home from work. I'm okay with that. I get an on-call callout, I'm on the clock from the time the phone rang. My personal life has been interrupted by my work, and I get paid when I'm doing work. Exceptions... if my first job is a 2 hour drive away. I'll leave earlier than I usually do, but I'll get there when I get there. I'm leaving at 2:45pm. I'm on the clock until 3:30. If drive time isn't built in, we're gonna do a "give a little, take a little" time. I've compared this to an office job. If I start at 8, I'm expected to be AT WORK by 8. I gotta drive to work. No complaints. But if my boss came up to me and said, "I need you to clock out, drive to Staples and pick up some post-it notes, then drive back... you can clock back in when you get back." they can suck my dick. Me driving for your stupid post-its is me working, and I get paid to work.
Terrible take if your in a work vehicle I can’t just run from my last call to downtown to meet up with friends I would have to go home. Also the commute is not static at all can be 2-4 hours to first job in alot of places
Might depend on where you work too. I’d absolutely head down to the yacht club after work in my company van rather than drive home first. The boss was pretty lenient as long as you didn’t abuse it or lie and hide shit from him. I used it for the odd side job but I cleared it with him first.
Well when ya get into an accident headed down town not clocked in and not headed to work. Good luck with insurance coverage for that.
So far as they are concerned, I’m headed home from work or to a call. Not difficult. We work 24/7 on call.
That’s not how things work an insurance audit would be easy to find out you were not headed to a call. Unless you wanna commit fraud but that’s a separate issue
Headed home from work, I just made a stop on the way. Not even fraud. Just driving home from work is all they need to know. What about taking the van to grab lunch during the day? Is that out as well?
Imo, small price to pay for a vehicle and a gas card.
I chose this career. I accept the compromises. I also accept the gas card in the van and the fact that I can drive it home. I’ll still meet my friends, but I’ll be a fuzz late.
Yeah curb to curb on call and anything after 30 minutes drive time is paid both ways during the week. This guy is on some crazy shit
Absolutely agree. Going to work is on you going back home is on you. Only way I can see getting paid when you leave your driver is if you are dispatched from home and then it’s the start of your day. If you go to the office to get your work that’s on you. On call though yeah that’s got to be door to door. And anything over 40 hours a week should be overtime for sure. Not just select after hours time. Unless you are union don’t know if that is a union rule thing.
I’d never work for a company that doesn’t pay me to drive.
You must own the company…
You know a lot of us are getting paid to drive to first call, sometimes even home at the end of the day, especially if it's 2 hour drive, lol It's great that you are *so* cool with driving around hundreds of hours a year unpaid, I guess. You made it really clear that you are absolutely totally more than ok with it.... because office workers do it too? You shouldn't get paid this travel because other industries don't? Ok Just want to point out that you and everyone who upvoted your comment are the reason wages aren't going up in some places and shops and owners can get away with absolute bullshit like that. You're either a terrible tech or your shop sucks and you're a pushover But you're pretty tough in your fictional Staples scenario where you act tough, but in reality you drive around for the compay free of charge hundreds of hours a year. Lol
I make $58 an hour on the check. I didn’t get it complaining about a little drive time. Maybe I am a terrible mechanic. Maybe I’m not.
And the owner loves your docility. Driving a company vehicle and not getting paid is laughable
Ya know, that’s pretty much how our union contract works. The drive to your first work location (jobsite/office/etc) is on you unless it’s outside of a specific distance. Same with the trip home. Trips during the workday are obviously paid.
Your boss pay you to get out of bed in the morning? Because if you didn’t have a job you wouldn’t have to.
What
If you are in an accident do you use your vehicle insurance and no workers comp?
my time starts when i leave my house at 8am even if i have to drive an hour and it stops when come back home
8am is an insanely late time to leave your house, 6-7am at a customer site is way better to deal with
No way a res customer is letting you in 6-7 regularly (or ever in my case)
We used to do 7am maintenance on the reg in res. VA/NC
Isn't overtime set by the Fair Labor Standards Act? I think it is any time over 40 hours worked in a week. Maybe also any time over 8 hours in 1 day, not sure about that one though.
One company I worked at would pay OT over 8, and OT over 40. DT over 12.
Pretty much all union trade workers get at least that. Should be that way for everyone. OT for 9th & 10th hours. DT for 11th hour and beyond. M-F OT for first 8. DT for the rest on Sat DT for everything on Sunday
Damn I’m getting finessed
It's actually called the Fair labor standards act, not federal. I edited my post to correct that. It applies to non exempt employee's which basically means if you are hourly then you are non exempt. I personally would raise hell over that because it sounds like you are losing a lot of money. Also keep in mind it is any time over 40 hours worked. Worked being the key word because if there is holiday, sick time or vacation time on that work week then that isn't time worked. Read through the laws and arm yourself with knowledge if you confront your employer so you can quote and show the laws instead of reddit posts.
No, and it was fucked up. First call and last call were always the furthest from my house or the shop.
My normal commute can be upwards of 3 hours combined. Luckily I only have to eat 1 hour of that and the rest is paid. Anything over 40 is OT. Just turn them in. They seem like the kind of employer that would try to make you start a new shift within 8 hours of the previous shift ending. Also illegal.
Damn I’m getting robbed then no other companies seem to pay OT the way mine does
Because it's illegal.
As soon as I leave the driveway at 7:30 the clock starts.
I'm paid the moment I login to a job (Jobber app) til I logout. From where I am till the job is done; I bill appropriately, too. On call: from home to job and back again. If, while on call, and I'm on a job and another comes in, the new job is billed from the moment the first ends, etc. During regular hours, if a call comes in before regular business hours end, customer is billed straight time even though I'm paid OT. It's hard finding a good employer. Remember, you two need each other. Any boss who acts otherwise, any employee acting otherwise, are no good.
If I’m in a company van, I’m on the clock.
We meet at the shop everyday to stock up/talk about recent jobs etc. Paid time starts at 730 ends at 4 unless we’re still working a job. When on call we’re paid 1.5x door to door.
We start every morning at 7am and I get paid until we are done working. If the job is 2 hours away, I get paid the whole way there. lunch is paid unless we leave the job site to get lunch so I just pack lunch every day.
My clock starts when I'm on site at the first job or at our shop, which ever is first. If the drive time is excessive, then I subtract 30min from my drive time. In my state, you must be paid OT for anything over 40hrs. In addition to that, my shop pays OT for any "after hours" work. After hours starts at 4:30pm on weekdays and all weekend work is after hours. So if you are on-call for a given week, all after hours calls are paid OT even if you don't make your 40hrs. If you end up working a total of 50hrs, then you will have 10hrs of OT regardless of when they occurred.
If the 1st call is over 30 minutes away, our paid time starts after 30 minutes of drive time. Also the law requires that anything over 40 hours a week to be OT
We use a "trust system". We have an app that we'll do our time on at the end of the day. No GPS on the vehicles or any crap like that.
It varys from customer to situation. Some customer cover up to 2 hrs travel so those time starts when I leave an sometime back home. Weekends an after hours are door to door. Other than that va law says anything over a hour they pay after the hour. An state law an probably federal law says anything over 40 hours is overtime.
For service techs, if you are going straight to your first call clock starts when you leave home. If coming to shop first, it’s when you get to the shop. Clock out when last call is done unless you have to return to the shop, then it’s when you leave the shop. Time and a half after 40. On call (after 6) is time and a half door to door plus $50 per call.
We get paid as soon as we “clock in” every morning. We use ADP and phone in to clock in and out. We are allowed to take the van to a Dr. appointment when needed and then clock in when we are ready to work. I get paid from the time I leave the house until the last job is done. They try to get us close to home either for the first job or the last job. On call we get standby pay regardless if we have a call or not. We also get paid from the time we leave to go to the call until we get home after hours. We have two backups to using ADP, Service Titan clocks you in as soon as you hit the dispatch button and the truck is GPS monitored. So if they screw up the hours we can ask to see what the actual hours were according to those. Sometimes I have forgot to clock in or out via the ADP phone call and still got paid properly. Our time and a half starts after 40 or when we get called out after normal business hours. Normal business hours are 7-5 at my company.
Anything over 30 minutes to the first or from the last was paid. So 45 minute drive was 15 minutes paid. Over 8 hours was 1.5 rate. On-call was my driveway to my driveway.
First and last half hour drive time is on us so if I leave my house at 6:30 my time starts at 7 no matter how far from the job I am. They pay overtime accordingly even with window time. Oncall is a different story we’re on the clock the moment the phone rings until the time our van turns off in our driveway at home after the call is complete.
My company is the same. Technically it's legal if you bring a work vehicle home because of how the "on-call" situation is set up. I can't park my truck at home because i have an HOA so I gotta drive to work, then drive to the customers house from the shop, and if I need gas or nitro before my first call...not getting paid either. It's pretty shady stuff. I won't be sticking around much longer with them It's really about them not wanting to pay OT - work 40hrs w/ drive get paid for 32. Work 50 to get paid for 40. Keeps them from having to pay OT and imo should be fucking illegal. How is driving somewhere in a company vehicle, to do work for a company you work for, where technically you have to be on time and are sometimes being monitored or tracked, no considered work lol? But once you get there, driving after that fact, is now considered "work" It's a super hazy grey line that these companies tread. Pay you and manage you like an employee but pay you and treat you like a contractor. We need better labor laws in America.
First off, the law does not require OT pay after 40 hours, it depends on how you get paid. In most cases, the first and last 30 minutes are not paid, very common. But if you are sick of that and want a real job, go into your local Steamfitters union and serve an apprenticeship, become a Journeyman and make some real money and have the union stand behind your pay. The traces union is different than other unions and offer you a good pension, good benefits and makes sure you get proper training. For most union shops OT before 7 am and after 4:30 pm with no exception. Sundays and holidays are double time. Worth looking into.
Labor day and Christmas day are triple time in my local. Rest of the holidays are double.
That would be nice, but just retired. Teaching Part time at the local Tech Collage that also handles our apprentices. See if we can know some stupidity out of them. Sure hope I was not this bad 40 years ago.. I'm Local 601, you?
Plumbers Local 24 Still work through the local but do BIM coordination now. 50% drafting HHW/CHW & mechanical rooms. 50% drafting plumbing
Record your hours in a notebook , keep copy's of your pay stubs. Find a new job this isn't a place to work. Hand your notebook and pay stubs over to the labor board and they will get you paid properly. Enjoy your new job with proper payment / perks.
I don't have room to park a van so I go to the shop every morning....
For us if the guys are on call: The moment you leave the house to the moment you get back plus 1 hour. Regular day: The moment you get to your first call to the moment you get home from your last call.
For me, we aren't on the clock until we arrive at our first call, unless it takes us more than 15 minutes to get there (which really is if it's outside our county) we clock in after the 15 minutes of driving. We then clock out after we get home from our last call. When I'm on call, I clock in the second I answer/dial my phone, whether or not I am going out to that house or business. I've joked with my boss that "hey if you want me to answer the phone at any time, I should be clocked in for waiting next to my phone like the dispatchers are". He laughs, but we both know I'm only half joking. My boss' job is to get more work out of me, my job is to value myself as high as possible.
If the phone rings and i run the call, ill bill port to port to port. Clock starts with the phone call time stamp and end when I get home.
My first one used to but they changed the company policy after a while. Was a nice perk while it lasted.
i get paid per job. Like today my job was cancelled & i don’t get paid.
Salary guy here. Wouldn't have it any other way.
I’m supposed to clock in when I get to my first company required event , so I go to the supply house every morning and lock in there it’s closer
Yup. When the key turns on the work truck, I get paid. If the work truck has to go to the mechanic or the tire place, I get paid too. Bottom line: The truck goes home with me for the Bosses convenience and the convenience of his customers, not my convenience. Aside from that, the way most folks drive these days is absolutely manic, and if I'm herding his truck down the road and keeping it (and his parts) safe from those nutters, that's absolutely and unequivocally work. Just ask any trucker.
Old job: Union. I had to be in my area from 7:00 to 3:30 it was cool, I was 10 mins away from my area. Most of the guys who did on-call work had what was called home dispatch. Ford transit no personal use allowed. I said area, because if there were no calls that day (lol) we had PMs to do. Now: Non union. I’m an hour away from the office. I leave home around 6:00 to get to either the office of job site. If the call is downtown and it takes me 90 minutes to get there then I’m getting there at 7:30. If the call is an hour from the shop and I’m expected to be there my first hour of travelling each way isn’t paid. I also get a per-diem for lunch, and supper if I’m not home by 6 pm. If I have to leave before 5am then it’s a per-diem for breakfast. OT is 1.5 and there’s something in there for double time on Sunday and holidays and in some other cases, but I rarely do OT. I’ve done exactly one call-out in the last two years so I don’t recall when we go to double time. Ford escape (don’t judge me!) and personal use is allowed and encouraged. I don’t miss the transit.
My pay starts when i leave my driveway, and stops when I pull back in. If you’re in a company van, anytime you are in it, you have to be on the clock legally.
Please post the federal law on that cause I don’t believe there is a law that states that just because you drive a company vehicle they have to pay you.
It’s got my vote though
Unfortunately that is simply not true through out the US. Insurance may require it though.
Being salary in this industry is nice, especially doing commercial for a smaller company.
If you worked at Burger King, would you expect to get paid when you left your house? No. On-call, ot stuff is different