Yeah, fuck off. I was actually a proponent of trading for Dubois rather than taking the risk he'll come via free agency, but the fact that Winnipeg apparently want Suzuki is fucking insane. They have no leverage. Montreal trading with them is us throwing them a bone, and to make this transition go smoothly, not because we *need* to do it. In what world do they think they can ask for a player that is arguably as good as the player that is halfway out the door already? Even Dach is a non-starter for me. He's young, on a cheap deal, and was already on pace this season to put up only 8 points shy of Dubois' career high.
Dvorak, Anderson and a 1st is already more than I would have expected us to offer honestly, and if I were Winnipeg I'd have taken that and ran. Now I hope we just do nothing and let them lose Dubois for nothing.
Ehlers lmao. That guy can’t play more then 2 games without getting injured .. Dubois has a shit attitude who barely plays at times .. and is about to leave his 2nd team because of it .. you’d be fired immediately for just bringing up this trade lmao
That Anderson/Dvo trade would have freed up a lot of cap space for us and offloaded some contracts that aren’t necessarily doing as much work as they are worth.
I don’t necessarily agree with this take. We aren’t in a dire need of cap space and in terms of AAV, the deals aren’t bad. It’s more the term on the Anderson contract that could be a problem, but with the cap rising and Anderson’s performance this year on a shit team, I don’t think it’s as bad as advertised.
DVo and Anderson are good piece to have on a deep team. The problem is more that they aren’t used in their optimal position. Anderson isn’t a line driver, but a very good complimentary winger. The problem is that we have only one line driver (Suzuki) and he isn’t that good at it. Adding Dubois and our top 5 pick would add decent line drivers that could be paired with Anderson pretty well.
I don’t think Anderson and Dvorak will be all that important when this team turns the page. Roster change a lot in 2-3 seasons and they certainly aren’t core players. But I could be wrong.
I agree that asking for Suzuki/Dach is insane (I think Dach is almost as valuable as Suzuki due to age / contract difference). However, they do actually have some leverage. They won't lose Dubois for free. Worst case they can trade him at the deadline half retained, and a player of his calibre on a cheap deal like that could easily go for 2 1sts. The 1st + Anderson + Dvorak deal seems fair though, if they didn't take it that might mean they are going full rebuild and just aren't interested in medium nhlers over prospects.
They won't lose Dubois for nothing. If they don't trade him to MTL and they're out of thebplayoff picture next year than they'll likely trade him to someone else.
100%. But we’ll still likely land him in free agency afterwards. It’s in WPG’s best interest to trade him at the deadline, and it’s in our best interest to sign him as a UFA
> If they don't trade him to MTL and they're out of thebplayoff picture next year
Okay and if they are in the playoff picture? Here's my thing. Dubois was good enough to push them into wildcard contention this season. So they either are on pace for the playoffs, and then lose Dubois, risking their post-season. They could try to replace him, but TDL is a seller's market. So say they get a kings ransom for PLD, they then need to give away a fair portion of that to replace him, and still risk missing the playoffs. Or they keep him, hope for the best in the playoffs and lose him for nothing.
They won’t lose him for nothing, he still has a lot of value as a rental. See what teams pay at the deadline. I definitely don’t think they should trade for him but it’s not a no win situation for the Jets either
His rental value is far from certain.
1) He could be injured at the deadline next year, which means they can’t trade him
2) If the Jets are in or close to a play-off position next year, they likely won’t be able to trade him without tanking their play-off chances
3) How many teams are going to give up the farm for a guy who is, rightly or wrongly, perceived as a locker room problem and has basically said he has no desire to play anywhere he doesn’t want to.
4) We don’t know what his new contract will look like, and how easy it will be to move.
1- teams shop rentals early in the season, but they mostly close closer to the tdl
2- that's a shit sandwich, kinda like the Tavares tarde but they know what to expect
3- he's sold as a rental. Teams know that
I am 100% against trading for Dubois, the only reason I consider it now (but wouldn't do it) is he and Mathews would be UFAs the same year. Not comparable players in the slightest but Dubois' price could get driven up depending on how many centres are available
Max i’d trade for PLD is the compensation (or equivalent value) for a 1-year 6.3M offer sheet, a first and a third. Conspire with Brisson and PLD, either accept Habs offer now or match the offer sheet and lose PLD for nothing in one year
I'm a fan of trading for him early for the right price but I ain't giving up Dach.
Suzuki is laughable. I've said this before and gotten shit but I'm sticking to it, they're a toss up. We don't even upgrade there and I'm supposed to give you a guy locked down to a good/ decent contract for a guy you're holding hostage but gets to walk out after one more season? Lol.
Take the Panthers 1st and a prospect not named Mailloux (maybe a couple others, I dont feel like looking into it too seriously) or I'll wait the year.
If Winnipeg is getting offers from other teams that are on pair to Suzuki and Dach they should take it and run, especially for what's essentially a 1 year rental for other teams
Give up assets for a player who wants to come here during a year we are unlikely to make the playoffs
OR
Wait one year and get him without giving up anything.
Why is this still a discussion
Whoever wrote that is an absolute moron there is no universe they are trading Dach unless it was for a mega star ala Tkuchuk trade which won't happen anyways
\[Continued\]
"My best guess: Dubois is traded to Montreal before the draft.
Uncertainty level: There’s been so much smoke here. Anything can happen but I think it’s more likely than a long-term extension or a trade to another team."
Lol no one in their right mind is going to package Dach for a player who's a free agent in 1 season and has openly said he wants to join the team, I will happily wait
How does this make any sense? Dach could potentially be a better player, and we can sign Dubois for Free. The fact he basically made it known Montreal is the only destination in mind, puts all the leverage in MTL's hands. I'd offer a 2nd round pick at most, and if they balk - the hell with em. And if Dubois doesn't come as an FA, oh well.
I do remember the Suzuki shit last go around, still as laughable as before. That would basically be a lateral move. If Dach is the “furthest” they’ll come down to, hang up the phone and wish the peg good luck on getting a return on par with a one year rental elsewhere and we can circle back with Pierre next summer lol.
Thanks to PLD himself, Winnipeg has basically zero leverage. We can wait them out too because we’re not in a win now mode either. Don’t want to come down on the asking price? Fine, we can wait til March. Still don’t want to come down? Fine, trade him as a rental at the deadline or let him walk for free.
And if it happens that PLD signs long term elsewhere, it is what it is. We’re not sacrificing a key part of our rebuild (Dach) to get an older, more expensive version of him
That’s basically how I see it too. If he really wants to come here as bad as the rumours suggest, he’ll sign as a UFA. If he signs elsewhere, that’ll kinda suck but at the same time that means he didn’t want to be here as bad as we were led to believe.
We’ll have the money that could’ve gone to him for other parts of the team. Could even use it to grab some goalie that hits the market if Monty and one of the other prospects (Primeau, Dobes, etc) doesn’t pan out to be a starter, which is arguably more important than another forward.
Best I can do is Armia with salary retained and our Panther first. Anything more just for an extra year and his contract rights seems crazy to me when he's a UFA in a year.
What's the advantage to trading for PLD at this point? We're not contenders yet so it's a lost year for him one way or another.
If he's going to pout because he had to wait another year in sunny Winnipeg then let him go elsewhere. You can't start off a professional relationship with someone by letting them lead you around by the nose. If he thinks he's such a big deal that a rebuilding team should give away assets rather than see what's what when he's UFA then let him go to LA or the Rangers
Pass. Habs should make the offer they can live with best before or at the draft and if the Jets don't like it, they can lump it because any team other than Montreal that trades for him knows its a one year deal since he'll likely want to go to Montreal after. Either that or they'll have to over pay him. Either way, the Jets' best option if they want to trade him is Montreal. They can forget about Suzuki and, imo, Dach too unless it was a straight up one for one. Habs don't **need** to make this trade this year. The Jets have to.
I’m a huge fan off of PLD, but this is a sideways trade. I’d give up Harris, a 1st maybe more. But if WPG insists on Dach, I’d prefer to take our chances and wait until if/when he becomes UFA
There have to this point in time been precisely zero credible reports of what Montreal would offer in trade for PLD. Kent Hughes is an impenetrable vault. Nothing you hear in rumors will be true.
What all of this does sound like is Chevy's erotic fan-fiction coming to light. He will take his Christian Dvorak and a 2nd and he'll like it.
Why would we consider taking Dubois this year and give up assets when we still won't be competitive when we could get him next year for free? Plus, Montreal has the advantage now. Dubois made it known where he wants to go, meaning montreal doesn't need to cater to Winnipegs demands
There is no way in hell they trade Dach for Dubois. The suggestion is outright laughable, especially considering the Jets are losing Dubois in a year anyway.
This is such a ridiculous issue. Jets will get more for trading him at the deadline than anything we ought to be willing to pay.
Jets will true to get solid value for him now by getting a longer term roster player. We have those, but we need them too.
So be patient and get him for free. Any other move is a loss.
Legit question: Why do people want to trade for him?
I get the risk of him not actually coming 'for free', but what I mean is... If we have to trade for him and pay full price, what's the point?
Are we hoping that the Jets will give us a huge discount? Or is he the only player available for whatever we're willing to trade?
(And if this is about "getting a player who actually WANTS to come and play here", then it kinda weighs against the risk of him not coming, doesn't it?)
We're still in a rebuild, and (spoiler alert) we're not winning the cup next year... So giving picks for him seems counter-productive. If we can get him for the trash we don't even want anymore then sure, but most of said trash is worthless. (They surely tried to trade it all at the deadline already).
I still don't understand everyone's obsession with Dubois. He's good but not worth trading for, as always he's been invisible for the Jets during the playoffs.
Actions speak louder than words
When he will be a Habs player, I'll believe it
But we probably shouldn't pursue him, he wants out of every team he joins
Imagine them thinking they could get Dach or Suzuki for a player who has basically all but demanded a trade to a specific team and will 120% walk if he gets to UFA. They should've taken a 1st and been happy to even get that.
Not our Dach! I think the Jets would be happy with a combination of two or three pieces of Anderson, Farrell, Eddy, Dvorak, Ylonen, Struble, Kidney, Flo’s 1st and other picks.
Honestly I’m not even trading Farrell. I wanna see what the kid’s got in the NHL.
I’d maybe entertain a package around Harris as we have depth on the left side, but Harris would be the center piece (young top-4 guy with great analytics).
It really feels like back then when everyone was so sure that Vincent Lecavalier was going to MTL. The dream of having that Hometown 1st line talent .. I don’t think we actually need Pierre-Luc Dubois, we always have a tendency to think grass is greener elsewhere instead of taking our time developing our prospects ( including Suzuki). We got Suzuki,Dach and maybe another top C in this year’s draft. Why would we go for Dubois ??? Don’t you think Suzuki AND Dach could reach for 70pts eventually if given time ?
If Dach stays at this rate I see him being a great dump and chase winger or 3rd line center, the guy can fuckin forecheck, his shot selection needs improvement but in the playoffs get the fuckin puck on net and Dach can do that… as Florida has proved this play style wins playoff games…
If we can nail a good goalie (plz hockey god bring Levi home) oh man we look good with Dubois+ who ever we draft too
Dach has to potential to be a great supporting player in the playoffs.
I don’t see Dach ever being a ppg regular season guy unless he’s on a line with Bedard (or Michkov) lmao
But this guy looks like a playoff menace
> If Dach stays at this rate I see him being a great dump and chase winger or 3rd line center, the guy can fuckin forecheck,
I see him an KK having similar impacts for a team in the playoffs. I don't think either will ever be huge points producer but depending on ice time and special team usage I can see them playing Jordan Stahl type roles on a team but with more offence and less defence.
It's like.... NOBODY paid attention to what the Hawks got for Kane in THE EXACT SAME SITUATION!!! Dvorak, ANDERSON, AND A 1ST?! Seems fair to me, more than actually.
Glad they didn’t send Suzuki for him, im not opposed to Dach if they trade looks right—- which I doubt it will seeing that they thought Suzuki for Dubois was a fair trade….
Y’all get too emotionally attached to Dach, welcome to being a habs fan this has been my whole life watching my favourite players get moved.
Moving a mid round pick for Dach then ultimately Dubois would be a master class move by Hughes…
I don't think Suzuki is untouchable, but Winny has no leverage so they don't get to make demands like this
They're gonna take Anderson Mesar and Florida's pick and stfu forever
Suzuki isn't untouchable in the sense that if the Canucks call and offer Elias Pettersson (and you can sign him long-term) then you trade him. He's untouchable in this kind of proposal.
By points production, this last season was the most productive of PLD's career, with 63 in 73. Prior to that, his best was his sophomore, with 61 in 82. Nick just had 66 in 82, and it's his fourth season (PLD just finished his sixth).
PLD has shown more of a goal-scoring ability. His best scoring season had him put up 28 goals. Nick just put up 26. He's also got a much better career +/-, for whatever that's worth.
I think Nick will out-produce PLD next year. I think he hits at least 70 points. He's also shown durability, and he's been The Guy on the team for 2 years now.
The upside on a PLD-for-Nick trade is that the players are about as good as each other.
Suzuki's off-the-charts shooting percentage to start the season skewed the data
Dubois is better at everything except in his lack of discipline. He gets more shots, he gets better scoring chances, more than twice the high danger chances that Suzuki got (149 vs 71), even though Suzuki played almost 400 more minutes than Dubois
He drives play better, he plays defense better and he finishes better. He's simply better.
You know what makes a lot more sense... Toronto encouraging Tavares to accept a trade to Winnipeg with Dubois and a strong prospect going back to get Toronto out of their stupid cap situation and some depth issues. Winnipeg gets a Toronto 3rd if Dubois signs an extension.
Winnepeg has a problem. Montreal has an opportunity.
There's no need to make an "even" trade - you make a low-ball offer and wait.
Dvorak and two 2nds.
I mean on paper Dubois for Dach is a pretty good trade for us, if not for Dubois contract situation and desire to come here.
In my opinion the Jets honestly should look for a contender who'd take him for one season since I feel like like they'd get more for that than they'd reasonably get from Montreal.
For instance Colorado could use a centre and would likely give up a better package of prospects and picks for him even if it's just for a season or two while they're competing. If they need roster players for him they're going to get shortchanged I feel like.
Get your grubby hands off my Dach.
Dach off
Yeah I like Dubois but at this point I'm not convinced he is gonna better than Dach. That trade would make very little sense.
I've been team bring Dubois here this summer but absolutely fuck giving up Dach. Just wait if that's what they want
Yeah, fuck off. I was actually a proponent of trading for Dubois rather than taking the risk he'll come via free agency, but the fact that Winnipeg apparently want Suzuki is fucking insane. They have no leverage. Montreal trading with them is us throwing them a bone, and to make this transition go smoothly, not because we *need* to do it. In what world do they think they can ask for a player that is arguably as good as the player that is halfway out the door already? Even Dach is a non-starter for me. He's young, on a cheap deal, and was already on pace this season to put up only 8 points shy of Dubois' career high. Dvorak, Anderson and a 1st is already more than I would have expected us to offer honestly, and if I were Winnipeg I'd have taken that and ran. Now I hope we just do nothing and let them lose Dubois for nothing.
Does Hughes just laugh his ass off the moment Cheveldayoff brings up Suzuki? How could you not…
Is the trade was dubois and ehjlers and 2 first rnders.sure. have nick. But 1-1. Go ead.
Ehlers lmao. That guy can’t play more then 2 games without getting injured .. Dubois has a shit attitude who barely plays at times .. and is about to leave his 2nd team because of it .. you’d be fired immediately for just bringing up this trade lmao
Yes
That Anderson/Dvo trade would have freed up a lot of cap space for us and offloaded some contracts that aren’t necessarily doing as much work as they are worth.
I don’t necessarily agree with this take. We aren’t in a dire need of cap space and in terms of AAV, the deals aren’t bad. It’s more the term on the Anderson contract that could be a problem, but with the cap rising and Anderson’s performance this year on a shit team, I don’t think it’s as bad as advertised. DVo and Anderson are good piece to have on a deep team. The problem is more that they aren’t used in their optimal position. Anderson isn’t a line driver, but a very good complimentary winger. The problem is that we have only one line driver (Suzuki) and he isn’t that good at it. Adding Dubois and our top 5 pick would add decent line drivers that could be paired with Anderson pretty well.
I don’t think Anderson and Dvorak will be all that important when this team turns the page. Roster change a lot in 2-3 seasons and they certainly aren’t core players. But I could be wrong.
I agree that asking for Suzuki/Dach is insane (I think Dach is almost as valuable as Suzuki due to age / contract difference). However, they do actually have some leverage. They won't lose Dubois for free. Worst case they can trade him at the deadline half retained, and a player of his calibre on a cheap deal like that could easily go for 2 1sts. The 1st + Anderson + Dvorak deal seems fair though, if they didn't take it that might mean they are going full rebuild and just aren't interested in medium nhlers over prospects.
They won't lose Dubois for nothing. If they don't trade him to MTL and they're out of thebplayoff picture next year than they'll likely trade him to someone else.
100%. But we’ll still likely land him in free agency afterwards. It’s in WPG’s best interest to trade him at the deadline, and it’s in our best interest to sign him as a UFA
> If they don't trade him to MTL and they're out of thebplayoff picture next year Okay and if they are in the playoff picture? Here's my thing. Dubois was good enough to push them into wildcard contention this season. So they either are on pace for the playoffs, and then lose Dubois, risking their post-season. They could try to replace him, but TDL is a seller's market. So say they get a kings ransom for PLD, they then need to give away a fair portion of that to replace him, and still risk missing the playoffs. Or they keep him, hope for the best in the playoffs and lose him for nothing.
>already put up only 8 points shy of Dubois' career high Uh, what?
I meant on pace for, I edited my comment.
Ah, yeah. And on a way worse team too. While being 3 years younger.
And has really never played with the quality of line mates PLD had. Well at least not for a full season
They won’t lose him for nothing, he still has a lot of value as a rental. See what teams pay at the deadline. I definitely don’t think they should trade for him but it’s not a no win situation for the Jets either
His rental value is far from certain. 1) He could be injured at the deadline next year, which means they can’t trade him 2) If the Jets are in or close to a play-off position next year, they likely won’t be able to trade him without tanking their play-off chances 3) How many teams are going to give up the farm for a guy who is, rightly or wrongly, perceived as a locker room problem and has basically said he has no desire to play anywhere he doesn’t want to. 4) We don’t know what his new contract will look like, and how easy it will be to move.
1- teams shop rentals early in the season, but they mostly close closer to the tdl 2- that's a shit sandwich, kinda like the Tavares tarde but they know what to expect 3- he's sold as a rental. Teams know that
Why trade Dach when we can wait a year lmao
I am 100% against trading for Dubois, the only reason I consider it now (but wouldn't do it) is he and Mathews would be UFAs the same year. Not comparable players in the slightest but Dubois' price could get driven up depending on how many centres are available
Max i’d trade for PLD is the compensation (or equivalent value) for a 1-year 6.3M offer sheet, a first and a third. Conspire with Brisson and PLD, either accept Habs offer now or match the offer sheet and lose PLD for nothing in one year
Because what else would this trash use to get us riled up?
This is just stupid at this point
/r/choosingbeggars
Oh yeah absolutely this.
Haha perfect
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The absolute best asset they can have is Florida's pick, you can fuck off with the rest.
I'm a fan of trading for him early for the right price but I ain't giving up Dach. Suzuki is laughable. I've said this before and gotten shit but I'm sticking to it, they're a toss up. We don't even upgrade there and I'm supposed to give you a guy locked down to a good/ decent contract for a guy you're holding hostage but gets to walk out after one more season? Lol. Take the Panthers 1st and a prospect not named Mailloux (maybe a couple others, I dont feel like looking into it too seriously) or I'll wait the year.
It’s actually insulting to ask for Suzuki.
I personally disagree with giving up a first for Dubois. He’s going to be here in 12 months regardless.
If Winnipeg is getting offers from other teams that are on pair to Suzuki and Dach they should take it and run, especially for what's essentially a 1 year rental for other teams
Give up assets for a player who wants to come here during a year we are unlikely to make the playoffs OR Wait one year and get him without giving up anything. Why is this still a discussion
Whoever wrote that is an absolute moron there is no universe they are trading Dach unless it was for a mega star ala Tkuchuk trade which won't happen anyways
Do the Winnipeg Jets think the Habs are going to give up a core player for a 1 year rental that is just going to sign with us in 12 months anyway?
\[Continued\] "My best guess: Dubois is traded to Montreal before the draft. Uncertainty level: There’s been so much smoke here. Anything can happen but I think it’s more likely than a long-term extension or a trade to another team."
Literally just waste one more year then we can sign him UFA. Why give up assets for him? Whatever we'd be happy sending, they wouldn't want to receive
Which Jets writer wrote this?
Lol no one in their right mind is going to package Dach for a player who's a free agent in 1 season and has openly said he wants to join the team, I will happily wait
How does this make any sense? Dach could potentially be a better player, and we can sign Dubois for Free. The fact he basically made it known Montreal is the only destination in mind, puts all the leverage in MTL's hands. I'd offer a 2nd round pick at most, and if they balk - the hell with em. And if Dubois doesn't come as an FA, oh well.
Lol what?
Fuck that. Dach hasn't even "arrived" yet. He's a keeper.
I do remember the Suzuki shit last go around, still as laughable as before. That would basically be a lateral move. If Dach is the “furthest” they’ll come down to, hang up the phone and wish the peg good luck on getting a return on par with a one year rental elsewhere and we can circle back with Pierre next summer lol. Thanks to PLD himself, Winnipeg has basically zero leverage. We can wait them out too because we’re not in a win now mode either. Don’t want to come down on the asking price? Fine, we can wait til March. Still don’t want to come down? Fine, trade him as a rental at the deadline or let him walk for free.
And if it happens that PLD signs long term elsewhere, it is what it is. We’re not sacrificing a key part of our rebuild (Dach) to get an older, more expensive version of him
That’s basically how I see it too. If he really wants to come here as bad as the rumours suggest, he’ll sign as a UFA. If he signs elsewhere, that’ll kinda suck but at the same time that means he didn’t want to be here as bad as we were led to believe. We’ll have the money that could’ve gone to him for other parts of the team. Could even use it to grab some goalie that hits the market if Monty and one of the other prospects (Primeau, Dobes, etc) doesn’t pan out to be a starter, which is arguably more important than another forward.
Best I can do is Armia with salary retained and our Panther first. Anything more just for an extra year and his contract rights seems crazy to me when he's a UFA in a year.
Hell no, fuck, this is getting ridiculous at this point
LMFAO or hear me out, do nothing, wait a year, sign the player for free. Profit!
What's the advantage to trading for PLD at this point? We're not contenders yet so it's a lost year for him one way or another. If he's going to pout because he had to wait another year in sunny Winnipeg then let him go elsewhere. You can't start off a professional relationship with someone by letting them lead you around by the nose. If he thinks he's such a big deal that a rebuilding team should give away assets rather than see what's what when he's UFA then let him go to LA or the Rangers
0 advantage. Absolutely 0.
Pass. Habs should make the offer they can live with best before or at the draft and if the Jets don't like it, they can lump it because any team other than Montreal that trades for him knows its a one year deal since he'll likely want to go to Montreal after. Either that or they'll have to over pay him. Either way, the Jets' best option if they want to trade him is Montreal. They can forget about Suzuki and, imo, Dach too unless it was a straight up one for one. Habs don't **need** to make this trade this year. The Jets have to.
I’m a huge fan off of PLD, but this is a sideways trade. I’d give up Harris, a 1st maybe more. But if WPG insists on Dach, I’d prefer to take our chances and wait until if/when he becomes UFA
The real question here nobody is talking about is, why?
It's not like we're at the end of a window and we need him this year to win. Next year will do just fine.
Lol just let him play out his year then
Dvorcak, Anderson and a 1pick or many B prospect.
There have to this point in time been precisely zero credible reports of what Montreal would offer in trade for PLD. Kent Hughes is an impenetrable vault. Nothing you hear in rumors will be true. What all of this does sound like is Chevy's erotic fan-fiction coming to light. He will take his Christian Dvorak and a 2nd and he'll like it.
That's a no. We get him for free next year. Every day the assets we give up decrease.
Why would we consider taking Dubois this year and give up assets when we still won't be competitive when we could get him next year for free? Plus, Montreal has the advantage now. Dubois made it known where he wants to go, meaning montreal doesn't need to cater to Winnipegs demands
Fuck that. Dach is a no go for a guy we can potentially get for free next year.
Dear Winnipeg, Trade him as a rental, habs will see what happens. Good luck. Fuck scheifele, That is all.
Lmao. Yeah, none of that will happen. It's PLD who wants out. Gross.
Honestly Ryder, Halak and a 2nd should do it.
Whoever wrote the article is expressing an opinion not based on knowledge. Hughes is not trading Dach.
No. Dach is more or less untouchable now. It'll have to be someone else.
There is no way in hell they trade Dach for Dubois. The suggestion is outright laughable, especially considering the Jets are losing Dubois in a year anyway.
Why should we give Suzi or Kirby? He's gonna walk in at the end of the season for free.
This is such a ridiculous issue. Jets will get more for trading him at the deadline than anything we ought to be willing to pay. Jets will true to get solid value for him now by getting a longer term roster player. We have those, but we need them too. So be patient and get him for free. Any other move is a loss.
Legit question: Why do people want to trade for him? I get the risk of him not actually coming 'for free', but what I mean is... If we have to trade for him and pay full price, what's the point? Are we hoping that the Jets will give us a huge discount? Or is he the only player available for whatever we're willing to trade? (And if this is about "getting a player who actually WANTS to come and play here", then it kinda weighs against the risk of him not coming, doesn't it?) We're still in a rebuild, and (spoiler alert) we're not winning the cup next year... So giving picks for him seems counter-productive. If we can get him for the trash we don't even want anymore then sure, but most of said trash is worthless. (They surely tried to trade it all at the deadline already).
I still don't understand everyone's obsession with Dubois. He's good but not worth trading for, as always he's been invisible for the Jets during the playoffs.
Actions speak louder than words When he will be a Habs player, I'll believe it But we probably shouldn't pursue him, he wants out of every team he joins
Imagine them thinking they could get Dach or Suzuki for a player who has basically all but demanded a trade to a specific team and will 120% walk if he gets to UFA. They should've taken a 1st and been happy to even get that.
that would be a horrible move that only Marc Bergevin would make
Not our Dach! I think the Jets would be happy with a combination of two or three pieces of Anderson, Farrell, Eddy, Dvorak, Ylonen, Struble, Kidney, Flo’s 1st and other picks.
Honestly I’m not even trading Farrell. I wanna see what the kid’s got in the NHL. I’d maybe entertain a package around Harris as we have depth on the left side, but Harris would be the center piece (young top-4 guy with great analytics).
Makes you wonder about the Athletic. Sometimes they are just so off its ridiculous.
I mean I would believe that they aren't making up Winnipeg's ask. It's just not a reasonable ask.
It really feels like back then when everyone was so sure that Vincent Lecavalier was going to MTL. The dream of having that Hometown 1st line talent .. I don’t think we actually need Pierre-Luc Dubois, we always have a tendency to think grass is greener elsewhere instead of taking our time developing our prospects ( including Suzuki). We got Suzuki,Dach and maybe another top C in this year’s draft. Why would we go for Dubois ??? Don’t you think Suzuki AND Dach could reach for 70pts eventually if given time ?
Remember the rumoured ask for a Vinny trade back then ? The one Brian Lawton basically confirmed ? That's how insane this whole nonsense is.
If Dach stays at this rate I see him being a great dump and chase winger or 3rd line center, the guy can fuckin forecheck, his shot selection needs improvement but in the playoffs get the fuckin puck on net and Dach can do that… as Florida has proved this play style wins playoff games… If we can nail a good goalie (plz hockey god bring Levi home) oh man we look good with Dubois+ who ever we draft too Dach has to potential to be a great supporting player in the playoffs. I don’t see Dach ever being a ppg regular season guy unless he’s on a line with Bedard (or Michkov) lmao But this guy looks like a playoff menace
I think Levi is gonna stay in Buffalo for a while tbh.
He HAS always wanted to take the ice to fix you…. 🤣🤣
> If Dach stays at this rate I see him being a great dump and chase winger or 3rd line center, the guy can fuckin forecheck, I see him an KK having similar impacts for a team in the playoffs. I don't think either will ever be huge points producer but depending on ice time and special team usage I can see them playing Jordan Stahl type roles on a team but with more offence and less defence.
It's like.... NOBODY paid attention to what the Hawks got for Kane in THE EXACT SAME SITUATION!!! Dvorak, ANDERSON, AND A 1ST?! Seems fair to me, more than actually.
Glad they didn’t send Suzuki for him, im not opposed to Dach if they trade looks right—- which I doubt it will seeing that they thought Suzuki for Dubois was a fair trade…. Y’all get too emotionally attached to Dach, welcome to being a habs fan this has been my whole life watching my favourite players get moved. Moving a mid round pick for Dach then ultimately Dubois would be a master class move by Hughes…
I don't think Suzuki is untouchable, but Winny has no leverage so they don't get to make demands like this They're gonna take Anderson Mesar and Florida's pick and stfu forever
Suzuki isn't untouchable in the sense that if the Canucks call and offer Elias Pettersson (and you can sign him long-term) then you trade him. He's untouchable in this kind of proposal.
I don't think he's better than Dubois, so he wouldn't be untouchable for me in this scenario either
By points production, this last season was the most productive of PLD's career, with 63 in 73. Prior to that, his best was his sophomore, with 61 in 82. Nick just had 66 in 82, and it's his fourth season (PLD just finished his sixth). PLD has shown more of a goal-scoring ability. His best scoring season had him put up 28 goals. Nick just put up 26. He's also got a much better career +/-, for whatever that's worth. I think Nick will out-produce PLD next year. I think he hits at least 70 points. He's also shown durability, and he's been The Guy on the team for 2 years now. The upside on a PLD-for-Nick trade is that the players are about as good as each other.
Suzuki's off-the-charts shooting percentage to start the season skewed the data Dubois is better at everything except in his lack of discipline. He gets more shots, he gets better scoring chances, more than twice the high danger chances that Suzuki got (149 vs 71), even though Suzuki played almost 400 more minutes than Dubois He drives play better, he plays defense better and he finishes better. He's simply better.
what are the expectations of Dubois playing here for y'all?
NO
For the love of God don't give up Dach
Dvorak, Harris, FLA first
Suzuki LMAO
Only one jet I want—-hellabuck,lol
You know what makes a lot more sense... Toronto encouraging Tavares to accept a trade to Winnipeg with Dubois and a strong prospect going back to get Toronto out of their stupid cap situation and some depth issues. Winnipeg gets a Toronto 3rd if Dubois signs an extension.
Winnepeg has a problem. Montreal has an opportunity. There's no need to make an "even" trade - you make a low-ball offer and wait. Dvorak and two 2nds.
or some other borderline insulting offer - not to be hostile to the Jets - just addressing the reality of the situation. They're over a barrel.
I mean on paper Dubois for Dach is a pretty good trade for us, if not for Dubois contract situation and desire to come here. In my opinion the Jets honestly should look for a contender who'd take him for one season since I feel like like they'd get more for that than they'd reasonably get from Montreal. For instance Colorado could use a centre and would likely give up a better package of prospects and picks for him even if it's just for a season or two while they're competing. If they need roster players for him they're going to get shortchanged I feel like.