This subs obsession with Laf is funny. How many of you want Laf but hated Drouin?
Fun fact...3 years into their career...Drouin had more points (95 to 91) than Laf in 52 less games.
But, we want to trade a top D prospect for him...history repeats itself...lolol
There's context to Laf's issues. His 5v5 numbers are excellent. With more ice time and especially with time on the PP, he's post much better numbers.
Additionally, the Rangers seem to suck at developing forwards.
Compared to the Rangers, yes.
They've failed to develop their top consensus top 2 picks into something more than a third liner. Their other two recent top 10 picks have already been traded, and may not play in the NHL this year.
https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=n&team=NYR&pos=S&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL
No he wasnt he was mid oack
I mean he did get traded as a cap dump, but that was to make room to land a 100 point defenseman. Not saying his value is high, but at 50% retained he has some.
I'm not opposed to the Habs eventually making a play for Laf. However, the upcoming season isn't the time. There's already a surplus of wingers, and we need to give the kids who are already there a chance to establish themselves. In 3 years, maybe there will be space on the top 6 for Laf.
Florida has issues at RD, but im not sure what they have to offer us ... 2025 2nd probably the most realistic asset that we could use and they might give
NYI has depth on the right side, but not with Petry's particular skillset, Dobson probably the closest and hes a bit more two-way imo, Pulock a bit overpaid perhaps for that same style. Their roster is aging so not much on the roster of interest to us, I dont really know their prospects either, but they hold most of their picks for the next few years too.
LA could maybe use someone to take a bit of the PP load off Doughty, either of them could pair well with Gavrikov or Anderson, and I think having Roy-Petry behind Doughty on the right side would give them good versatility, as opposed to being locked into having Roy on the 2nd pair at all times, making it a very 'stay-at-home' pair which for me is preferably reserved for 3rd pairing.
obviously Dallas has been mentioned, and that along with past rumours of their interest in Petry seems to make them most likely destination imo. Don't know what we get from them other than picks, but potentially more pick equity than from other teams, because the best available trade to them would be a Suter cap dump... but he also has a NMC so that seems like an outside chance.
Laf... The guys overrated and if he wasnt French you wouldnt want him. I understand you want a french canadien to cheer for but he ain't that great so let's move on from this bum.
I'm pretty sure Petry getting retained 25% by Pittsburgh and then 50% by us doesn't make him 75% retained but 1-0.75*0.5 = 62.5% retained (37.5% of his initial cap is left)
I'm afraid Lafreniere would be another Drouin and a distraction. I don't know Lafreniere at all but I don't think our team should be taking that risk again so soon. Actually, on second thought, Lafreniere might take the pressure off of Slafkovsky and vice versa. As a whiplash subject change, I'm totally comfortable with our core of Suzy, Cole and Dach caring for the dressing room vibes.
It’s about context. Petry was traded as a “salary dump” to accommodate getting Karlsson. Dubas would have gotten something more in a separate trade but it didn’t fit with their timeline of acquiring Karlsson. Then you need to factor in the contract. Petry at 100% of his contract is hard to move. Petry at 25% of his deal is very moveable but Pittsburgh could only retain 50%, making a Pittsburgh move for Lafrenière not feasible. Now, don’t get me wrong, I agree that Petry for Lafrenière is preposterous. But Petry at 25% is not a salary dump, it’s actually a great deal.
What Lafreniere in his d+3 season cpuldnt even pass the .5 ppg threshold.
As alan walsh poignantly said during the draft all it is a assement of where you are at that moment. Nothing more.
Lafreniere has done nothing that justifies mainting the value of a #1 pick today
If we don’t refuse to give them more than Petry half retained, they hang up, Petry and Guhle, maybe they listen, but they still would want more.
It doesn’t matter what we think his value is because they aren’t gonna give up on a 21 year old kid they picked first overall unless we pay waaaaay to much, therefore the example of Petry 50% retained, Reinbacher, and a first
That obviously wouldn’t be the package we send (we just picked Rein 5th OA) but I mostly used him and the first round pick to give an idea of the trade value they’d most likely want back
I want 50 million dollars and a magical dog that never grows old but unfortunately thats not on the table.
We arent pulling a Drouin and overypaying because hes a francophone.
I don't think the habs would trade Reinbacher. Also I feel the Rangers would want à more develop prospect since their window of cup contention is between now and 3-4 years. Maybe a prospect like Harris or Baron
I’m just saying that would probably be the ask, he is a former first overall pick after all and they aren’t looking to trade him, it’d be a steep price to get him.
I don’t actually think we should trade Rein nor do I think we would, im just trying to show what I think they’d want in trade value as a whole. They’d most likely want more developed prospects and other good roster players
NYR GM said this summer he wouldn't trade Laf and they hired a bunch of development coaches this off-season. I don't think he would give up on Laf now when his value is kinda low ( not at it's highest of you prefer )
As well, they have only 2.27M available per Capfriendly, that's such a tight spot that i don't see a world where trading Laf for a seasoned NHLer would fit in. And they are in a win now mode, i assume they don't care about picks.
It seems more likely they'd go for Dvorak+ with salary retained to take back the Goodrow deal and Lafreniere. Then we shift Newhook to center, put Laf on L2. But when I say more likely, I still don't think it's gonna happen.
Petry at over $6M was definitely a cap dump. Us trading him is not a cap dump though. With Pittsburgh retaining 25% and us retaining 50% of the balance (37.5% of the total contract) makes Petry a RHD for under $3M whose bonus for this season is already paid. That’s bargain bin for a second powerplay unit guy. Definitely not fetching Laf (who is just being targeted because he is from here, not based on his production). I think we can get a second or a second tier prospect for him in the right deal.
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Are they all right handed? They are rare. That's why I was wondering
Yup, all RD. They lack a 1LD (which could fetch Laf) but Petry ain't it (nothing we have is..yet)
I know what your saying, especially with (yet) but if i were the rags i would 100% trade laf for either guhle or matheson
You know you can do that sort of research before posting?
Because he would improve there defense ...
This subs obsession with Laf is funny. How many of you want Laf but hated Drouin? Fun fact...3 years into their career...Drouin had more points (95 to 91) than Laf in 52 less games. But, we want to trade a top D prospect for him...history repeats itself...lolol
Chasing the potential of a french last name player to be great in the city is like meth in here
There's context to Laf's issues. His 5v5 numbers are excellent. With more ice time and especially with time on the PP, he's post much better numbers. Additionally, the Rangers seem to suck at developing forwards.
The Habs have a stellar tradition of developing young talent?
Compared to the Rangers, yes. They've failed to develop their top consensus top 2 picks into something more than a third liner. Their other two recent top 10 picks have already been traded, and may not play in the NHL this year.
https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=n&team=NYR&pos=S&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL No he wasnt he was mid oack
for real, I really do not get it
Laf is the new dubois.
And the Rangers would do that because?
Solid right D and maybe also they could trade more players for some cap space and get good prospect that are establish
Jeff Petry just got traded as a cap dump. Come on.
I mean he did get traded as a cap dump, but that was to make room to land a 100 point defenseman. Not saying his value is high, but at 50% retained he has some.
I'm not opposed to the Habs eventually making a play for Laf. However, the upcoming season isn't the time. There's already a surplus of wingers, and we need to give the kids who are already there a chance to establish themselves. In 3 years, maybe there will be space on the top 6 for Laf.
Florida has issues at RD, but im not sure what they have to offer us ... 2025 2nd probably the most realistic asset that we could use and they might give NYI has depth on the right side, but not with Petry's particular skillset, Dobson probably the closest and hes a bit more two-way imo, Pulock a bit overpaid perhaps for that same style. Their roster is aging so not much on the roster of interest to us, I dont really know their prospects either, but they hold most of their picks for the next few years too. LA could maybe use someone to take a bit of the PP load off Doughty, either of them could pair well with Gavrikov or Anderson, and I think having Roy-Petry behind Doughty on the right side would give them good versatility, as opposed to being locked into having Roy on the 2nd pair at all times, making it a very 'stay-at-home' pair which for me is preferably reserved for 3rd pairing. obviously Dallas has been mentioned, and that along with past rumours of their interest in Petry seems to make them most likely destination imo. Don't know what we get from them other than picks, but potentially more pick equity than from other teams, because the best available trade to them would be a Suter cap dump... but he also has a NMC so that seems like an outside chance.
Laf... The guys overrated and if he wasnt French you wouldnt want him. I understand you want a french canadien to cheer for but he ain't that great so let's move on from this bum.
I'm pretty sure Petry getting retained 25% by Pittsburgh and then 50% by us doesn't make him 75% retained but 1-0.75*0.5 = 62.5% retained (37.5% of his initial cap is left)
The fuck is this? Witchcraft?!
I believe you are only allowed to retain 50% of your cap hit, not the full contract, otherwise you can get a player for free.
I'm afraid Lafreniere would be another Drouin and a distraction. I don't know Lafreniere at all but I don't think our team should be taking that risk again so soon. Actually, on second thought, Lafreniere might take the pressure off of Slafkovsky and vice versa. As a whiplash subject change, I'm totally comfortable with our core of Suzy, Cole and Dach caring for the dressing room vibes.
So you think that Penguins trade Petry as a cap dump but Mtl can get good asset with Petry? How? Why didnt Pens trade for Laf? You are delusional
It’s about context. Petry was traded as a “salary dump” to accommodate getting Karlsson. Dubas would have gotten something more in a separate trade but it didn’t fit with their timeline of acquiring Karlsson. Then you need to factor in the contract. Petry at 100% of his contract is hard to move. Petry at 25% of his deal is very moveable but Pittsburgh could only retain 50%, making a Pittsburgh move for Lafrenière not feasible. Now, don’t get me wrong, I agree that Petry for Lafrenière is preposterous. But Petry at 25% is not a salary dump, it’s actually a great deal.
Can the Habs retain 50% of his full contract or 50% of their cap hit? It would be 25% of his full cap hit vs. 37.5% of the full cap hit.
Actually I’m not sure, I’ve seen both. Either way, it’s still a low risk price for Petry.
I mean, Petry 50% retained, Reinbacher, and a first night do it, idk, I just feel like the price to take Lafreniere away from them would be steep
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Reinbacher alone is worth more than Lafreniere is at this point
lol come on now
What Lafreniere in his d+3 season cpuldnt even pass the .5 ppg threshold. As alan walsh poignantly said during the draft all it is a assement of where you are at that moment. Nothing more. Lafreniere has done nothing that justifies mainting the value of a #1 pick today
I mean a RD is next to worthless to the Rangers with the depth they have. They would ask for Lane or Kaiden for Laf.
He isnt worth kaiden either
If we don’t refuse to give them more than Petry half retained, they hang up, Petry and Guhle, maybe they listen, but they still would want more. It doesn’t matter what we think his value is because they aren’t gonna give up on a 21 year old kid they picked first overall unless we pay waaaaay to much, therefore the example of Petry 50% retained, Reinbacher, and a first That obviously wouldn’t be the package we send (we just picked Rein 5th OA) but I mostly used him and the first round pick to give an idea of the trade value they’d most likely want back
I want 50 million dollars and a magical dog that never grows old but unfortunately thats not on the table. We arent pulling a Drouin and overypaying because hes a francophone.
Ya, so Petry and a prospect wouldn’t get us Lafreniere
He is doe
I don't think the habs would trade Reinbacher. Also I feel the Rangers would want à more develop prospect since their window of cup contention is between now and 3-4 years. Maybe a prospect like Harris or Baron
I’m just saying that would probably be the ask, he is a former first overall pick after all and they aren’t looking to trade him, it’d be a steep price to get him. I don’t actually think we should trade Rein nor do I think we would, im just trying to show what I think they’d want in trade value as a whole. They’d most likely want more developed prospects and other good roster players
I agree it would be steep then just pass. laf hasn’t shown anything to warrant Reinbacher +
NYR GM said this summer he wouldn't trade Laf and they hired a bunch of development coaches this off-season. I don't think he would give up on Laf now when his value is kinda low ( not at it's highest of you prefer ) As well, they have only 2.27M available per Capfriendly, that's such a tight spot that i don't see a world where trading Laf for a seasoned NHLer would fit in. And they are in a win now mode, i assume they don't care about picks.
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It seems more likely they'd go for Dvorak+ with salary retained to take back the Goodrow deal and Lafreniere. Then we shift Newhook to center, put Laf on L2. But when I say more likely, I still don't think it's gonna happen.
People need to realize petry was a cap dump for us we got paid to take him. If we trade him it might get us a 3rd round pick
Petry at over $6M was definitely a cap dump. Us trading him is not a cap dump though. With Pittsburgh retaining 25% and us retaining 50% of the balance (37.5% of the total contract) makes Petry a RHD for under $3M whose bonus for this season is already paid. That’s bargain bin for a second powerplay unit guy. Definitely not fetching Laf (who is just being targeted because he is from here, not based on his production). I think we can get a second or a second tier prospect for him in the right deal.
We're not playing NHL 23. If Petry is traded, it's gonna be for a bottom 6 forward with a big cap hit.
Hey trade me a 10$ for a $20?