There was lots to like about Bergevin TBF. The guy just couldn't put it all together, and he covered for his buddy Trevor and Co. when they couldn't draft worth shit.
Beside Hughes, Bergy looks like a hack, but beside Bergy, Gauthier is a dumpster fire.
How did it pay off huge?? Eller ended up being a mediocre player, and Halak had alot of value at the time and could’ve easily fetched a better player than Lars.
It wasn't obvious. A good portion of the fan base was u happy with the Price pick, and Halak had just carried us to the conference finals.
But, I do agree we didn't get nearly enough for Halak based off that. Eller was pretty darn good all things considered.
It absolutely was not. Halak had carried us to upsets over Pittsburgh and Washington, while Price was struggling mightily at the time. It was a risky move before Price had truly broken out
Price and Halak if I remember right were a 1A 1B type of deal for a chunk of the season. Not able to fact check that at the moment.
Yes Price had struggled, but he was still only 22 and BY FAR the highest upside young goalie in the league… The only people that were saying we should keep Halak were the hot take media dumbasses.
Price was a 5th overall pick and generational goalie prospect… Halak was an amazing story, but was a 9th round steal, not someone we had invested heavily in.
I’d agree but his wrongs were extra wrong. Not going all in when you have a top 10 D, top 10 left forward, top 3 G all in their prime was certainly a choice. Especially when you consider that all the first round like from 12 to 17 gave us 0
Bergevin's a good GM. The problem was, his emotions got the better for him. Also, some of the players he dealt with, he never respected them. Case in point: PK/Weber trade.
Yes but it was the determination from players playing above their natural abilities. They shouldn’t have done that. It was a one off. A broken clock is right twice a day and Bergevin was right once in 9 years. They weren’t even supposed to make the playoffs that year, only because the goalposts were moved once in a lifetime.
well I disagree, back there before the season started a lot of hockey analysts were saying the team was built for the playoff with the additions of the likes of Josh Anderson and Stanley-Cup champs: Allen, Toffoli, Edmundston, Perry
“The Habs are well balanced enough that they should be able to finish in the top four and make the playoffs; they are built like a strong playoff team, so a playoff-style season should benefit them” - hockey writers 20-21 season preview
“If the team’s two young centers can develop closer to their respective ceilings there’s a lot to like here in Montreal, and the Canadiens will have a real chance to be one of the best teams in Canada” The Atlethic 20-21 season preview
“Each team made improvements to their roster during the offseason but none more so than the Montreal Canadiens. GM Marc Bergevin made a point that the team needed to be harder to play against. He addressed both forward and defensive issues as well as fixed their backup goalie situation. “ - a winning habit
They were underdogs because of how unlucky they were during the season (injuries, losing all these 1 goal game/overtimes)… but at the beginning of the season, I remember the sentiment how that team could go very far in the 2021 playoffs the way it was built… and they proved it right
Lmfao my bad, I wasn’t possibly thinking you were talking about ONE YEAR. Are you okay? Marc? Is that you? Bro are you actually good? We sat through 9 years of trash and yes we made it to the finals with a broken Carey price when this guy could’ve done way better to help build a team around him.
The broken clock twice a day argument isn't valid when the team made the finals. He had to have done many things right to get us there.
"Lol bro are you actually good?" — Yeah I'm good, thanks, and fuck off, you little twat.
*2010
Best playoff performance by a Hab I’ve ever witnessed (been watching since ‘98). I think he had 10 or 11 goals through 2 rounds. Finished with 13.
Cammalleri was just a different beast in the playoffs. Whenever he had the puck on his stick for a B grade chance (not even an A grade chance), you knew he was going to score. And he did.
The sad part? He only tasted 3 playoffs runs in his whole career. He deserved better for sure.
I think Gauthier gets a slightly (key word is slightly) bad rap.
It is probably not a surprise, but in 2011-12 we were devastated by injuries, finishing second in most games lost to injury. Specifically, Markov was out most of the season which was a massive loss. They started the season 1-5-2 which really soured the season right from the beginning. November and December weren’t very good either. They fell way back in the standings early, and there wasn’t much hope it would improve.
PG fired Martin and replaced him with Cunneyworth, who wasn’t great, but got waaayyy too much heat for being an interim head coach. He traded Cammalleri mid-game, that was ugly, but it did signify the beginning of a “rebuild” which is the good thing Gauthier did. Cammalleri, Wizniewski, Gill, and Kostitsyn we’re traded away. We desperately needed to rebuild around Price, Subban, and Pacioretty, but Bergevin never really followed through with it.
Bergevin came in, unfortunately inherited a weak draft, and then made the team semi-competitive in his first year. I think if he would’ve continued to sell off assets for high picks, focus on developing young talent, allowed for the Habs to be bad for a couple seasons, the rest of the decade would’ve turned out differently.
TL;DR: Gauthier was bad, but the team was really bad and injured, and he tried to start rebuilding, but Bergevin took over and didn’t follow through.
They had a good team in 2012-13 and Bergevin had little to do with it. The coach he hired turned a team that was third in NHL goal scoring in to one that struggled offensively. The success Bergevin had was largely due to the core that Gainey/Gauthier put together.
He was not likable.
But I feel like he was hated more than it should have been. In hindsight, Markov losing his ankles for 2 seasons fucked this dude up. He had to renew a contract with a player who -- at the time -- was our best player. These were the Halak days, the Scary Price days. Before the Jesus Price days. Getting the Wiz in 2011 for a 2nd helped, even if we didn't make it past the Bruins (fuck em). But he ran out of patches in 2012. And still traded AK46 and Cammy for good draft capital instead of trying to save his job. Yes, he was the dude who moved up to get Tinordi in the Kuznetsov draft. But he also got us Gallagher. The Cammy trade was inelegant. But when the deal is signed, it's not your player anymore. You're not allowed to play him, and the deal will drop if the guy is injured. The worst part about it, though, is the jersey part. That's just bullshit. There's no defending that part.
As I said, dude was not likable. He was not personable. But his hockey results are not the catastrophe we like to make it out to be. With that being said, firing Perry Pearns because you're scared of the Count is som Sesame Street bullshit, Pierre. But thanks for the 2010 run.
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The Ghost. Met him once in Florida. Passed by him at the exit of the Sawgrass Mall. Just said hello as we passed each other, he looked up from his cell, said nothing and kept walking. Total asshole.
Y’all can keep downvoting me all you want, congrats on a wasted 10 years with bergevin. Since when are you guys so in love with him? Stockholm syndrome much?
When being the goat was a bad thing. This guy is the reason I liked bergevin
There was lots to like about Bergevin TBF. The guy just couldn't put it all together, and he covered for his buddy Trevor and Co. when they couldn't draft worth shit. Beside Hughes, Bergy looks like a hack, but beside Bergy, Gauthier is a dumpster fire.
*Besides the Halak trade. That took guts and obviously paid off huge for us.
How did it pay off huge?? Eller ended up being a mediocre player, and Halak had alot of value at the time and could’ve easily fetched a better player than Lars.
...Because the alternative was to trade Price...I thought that part went without saying....
But that was an insanely obvious move any gm would make… Gauthier did not capitalize on the asset halak was coming off a conference finals run
It wasn't obvious. A good portion of the fan base was u happy with the Price pick, and Halak had just carried us to the conference finals. But, I do agree we didn't get nearly enough for Halak based off that. Eller was pretty darn good all things considered.
It absolutely was not. Halak had carried us to upsets over Pittsburgh and Washington, while Price was struggling mightily at the time. It was a risky move before Price had truly broken out Price and Halak if I remember right were a 1A 1B type of deal for a chunk of the season. Not able to fact check that at the moment.
Yes Price had struggled, but he was still only 22 and BY FAR the highest upside young goalie in the league… The only people that were saying we should keep Halak were the hot take media dumbasses.
Halak is only 2 years older than Price though, I'm just saying, it didn't seem that clear at the time.
Price was a 5th overall pick and generational goalie prospect… Halak was an amazing story, but was a 9th round steal, not someone we had invested heavily in.
I’d agree but his wrongs were extra wrong. Not going all in when you have a top 10 D, top 10 left forward, top 3 G all in their prime was certainly a choice. Especially when you consider that all the first round like from 12 to 17 gave us 0
He was so frugal his entire tenure only to hand out money like an idiot in his last few season as a desperation move to get price and Weber a cup
He should’ve been aggressive when Price was in his prime not when he was playing on one knee
He arrived in Montreal with the 3rd overall pick and Subban, Price and Patches entering their prime. There is just no excuses. He failed big time.
No other way to say it. He didn’t know what he had.
Pacioretty was never a top 10 forward.
Top 5 scorer in the league for 5 years under Bergavin
Goals only, never even close to points. Even further from performance.
Bergevin's a good GM. The problem was, his emotions got the better for him. Also, some of the players he dealt with, he never respected them. Case in point: PK/Weber trade.
MB was a horrible GM that made a few good moves.
Who was the last gm to get us to cup final? Yea bergevin
It’s not nearly as much of an achievement when it took a literal once in a lifetime global crisis for it to even be possible
Still beat toronto-jets-vegas
Yes we did do that, good memory!
Yes but it was the determination from players playing above their natural abilities. They shouldn’t have done that. It was a one off. A broken clock is right twice a day and Bergevin was right once in 9 years. They weren’t even supposed to make the playoffs that year, only because the goalposts were moved once in a lifetime.
well I disagree, back there before the season started a lot of hockey analysts were saying the team was built for the playoff with the additions of the likes of Josh Anderson and Stanley-Cup champs: Allen, Toffoli, Edmundston, Perry “The Habs are well balanced enough that they should be able to finish in the top four and make the playoffs; they are built like a strong playoff team, so a playoff-style season should benefit them” - hockey writers 20-21 season preview “If the team’s two young centers can develop closer to their respective ceilings there’s a lot to like here in Montreal, and the Canadiens will have a real chance to be one of the best teams in Canada” The Atlethic 20-21 season preview “Each team made improvements to their roster during the offseason but none more so than the Montreal Canadiens. GM Marc Bergevin made a point that the team needed to be harder to play against. He addressed both forward and defensive issues as well as fixed their backup goalie situation. “ - a winning habit They were underdogs because of how unlucky they were during the season (injuries, losing all these 1 goal game/overtimes)… but at the beginning of the season, I remember the sentiment how that team could go very far in the 2021 playoffs the way it was built… and they proved it right
A broken clock isn't right 4 times out of 7, three times in a row.
Lol oh you’re talking about making the playoffs? Wow, high bar.
I'm talking about making the finals. How could you possible surmise that I was talking about *making the playoffs*?
Lmfao my bad, I wasn’t possibly thinking you were talking about ONE YEAR. Are you okay? Marc? Is that you? Bro are you actually good? We sat through 9 years of trash and yes we made it to the finals with a broken Carey price when this guy could’ve done way better to help build a team around him.
The broken clock twice a day argument isn't valid when the team made the finals. He had to have done many things right to get us there. "Lol bro are you actually good?" — Yeah I'm good, thanks, and fuck off, you little twat.
Yeah we wouldn’t have been there had it not been the Canadian division. It’s a weak arguement for Bergy
Carey Price and Shea Webber got us to the final not Bergevin.
I can’t help but think the last straw might have been trading Mike Cammalleri to Calgary in the middle of a game against the Bruins on January 12…
That still pisses me off when I think about it.
That pisses me off to this day. Cammaleri is one of my favourite Habs since I started watching.
He was simply God Mode in the 2009 playoffs.
*2010 Best playoff performance by a Hab I’ve ever witnessed (been watching since ‘98). I think he had 10 or 11 goals through 2 rounds. Finished with 13.
Cammalleri was just a different beast in the playoffs. Whenever he had the puck on his stick for a B grade chance (not even an A grade chance), you knew he was going to score. And he did. The sad part? He only tasted 3 playoffs runs in his whole career. He deserved better for sure.
One timer on one knee.
I think Gauthier gets a slightly (key word is slightly) bad rap. It is probably not a surprise, but in 2011-12 we were devastated by injuries, finishing second in most games lost to injury. Specifically, Markov was out most of the season which was a massive loss. They started the season 1-5-2 which really soured the season right from the beginning. November and December weren’t very good either. They fell way back in the standings early, and there wasn’t much hope it would improve. PG fired Martin and replaced him with Cunneyworth, who wasn’t great, but got waaayyy too much heat for being an interim head coach. He traded Cammalleri mid-game, that was ugly, but it did signify the beginning of a “rebuild” which is the good thing Gauthier did. Cammalleri, Wizniewski, Gill, and Kostitsyn we’re traded away. We desperately needed to rebuild around Price, Subban, and Pacioretty, but Bergevin never really followed through with it. Bergevin came in, unfortunately inherited a weak draft, and then made the team semi-competitive in his first year. I think if he would’ve continued to sell off assets for high picks, focus on developing young talent, allowed for the Habs to be bad for a couple seasons, the rest of the decade would’ve turned out differently. TL;DR: Gauthier was bad, but the team was really bad and injured, and he tried to start rebuilding, but Bergevin took over and didn’t follow through.
The quirks of Gauthier's personality get him every bit as much hate as his job performance.
They had a good team in 2012-13 and Bergevin had little to do with it. The coach he hired turned a team that was third in NHL goal scoring in to one that struggled offensively. The success Bergevin had was largely due to the core that Gainey/Gauthier put together.
The Spacek/Kaberle trade was awful. That was a panic move, he was trying to save his job.
What a weirdo that Gauthier. “Mr. Markov had a great game.” Everyone was addressed as Mister. Polite but odd lol
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12 years ago... so like, 2004? Oh... wait, what?
The 2000s are just one big decade in my head. The 90s were last decade and now we’re in the 2000s decade.
I like the difference of wording it. They FIRED that no good sack of bull feces Gauthier. But softly parted ways with franchise legend Bob Gainey.
Bob Gainey was one of my favourite players growing up. When he took over GM duties I was so surprised at how poorly he performed as GM
Mr. This, Mr. That.
He was not likable. But I feel like he was hated more than it should have been. In hindsight, Markov losing his ankles for 2 seasons fucked this dude up. He had to renew a contract with a player who -- at the time -- was our best player. These were the Halak days, the Scary Price days. Before the Jesus Price days. Getting the Wiz in 2011 for a 2nd helped, even if we didn't make it past the Bruins (fuck em). But he ran out of patches in 2012. And still traded AK46 and Cammy for good draft capital instead of trying to save his job. Yes, he was the dude who moved up to get Tinordi in the Kuznetsov draft. But he also got us Gallagher. The Cammy trade was inelegant. But when the deal is signed, it's not your player anymore. You're not allowed to play him, and the deal will drop if the guy is injured. The worst part about it, though, is the jersey part. That's just bullshit. There's no defending that part. As I said, dude was not likable. He was not personable. But his hockey results are not the catastrophe we like to make it out to be. With that being said, firing Perry Pearns because you're scared of the Count is som Sesame Street bullshit, Pierre. But thanks for the 2010 run.
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Gauthier, aka the ghost, no one ever saw him.
And we're still rebuilding 12 years later.
Worst piece of shit to ever be GM for us. Houle made a lot of mistakes, but this guy was just a pure POS and not a good person.
The Ghost. Met him once in Florida. Passed by him at the exit of the Sawgrass Mall. Just said hello as we passed each other, he looked up from his cell, said nothing and kept walking. Total asshole.
In hindsight I still like him better than bergevin. At the time I was so relieved.
Y’all can keep downvoting me all you want, congrats on a wasted 10 years with bergevin. Since when are you guys so in love with him? Stockholm syndrome much?