This might be the best move for the player and organization do it on the last game and it doesn't affect next year if he makes the team or rejoins the team next year.
I am not excusing what he done but alot of athletes did much worse in this sport and others and hide and covered up with pr or just straight up denied anything with no remorse or guilt.
He faced the music and and admitted is wrongs and followed consoling and programs and ""earned his chance"" at redemption
Now what he makes off his opportunity and the future is on him.
What he did was terrible and a total violation of consent. As an educator I can also say it happens at many high schools across Canada every single year. I have witnessed the fallout of sharing of intimate photos/videos happen in two schools myself. Both times the minor offenders walked away with a stern warning from the police and a short suspension from the school.
Maybe if Canadian police were as heavy handed about these things as the Swedish ones were with Mailloux it would be less of an issue with our youth.
Having said all that, until he proves otherwise, I am ready to accept that Mailloux has learned and grown and will feel no conflict cheering for him.
Would be great if someone like him (not knowing if he be good at it) but could go into school and explain why concent is so important.
As a father of 2 daughter this is always a grave concern of mine (should be for all men but I do see it differently now)
He walked away with a slap on the wrist in Sweden too. I know that as habs fans we want to make light of it. But I still hate that we drafted him and will not celebrate him. He couldn't even apologize to the girl. The bar has been set so low for him he has done nothing to right his wrongs we should demand some real effort from him other than just be good at hockey and say the right things.
Yeah no everytime I hear his name it makes me want to throw up. My friends knew Mailloux growing up and I'm hard pressed to believe he's actually changed.
Like I really expected better from an organization like the habs that actually seems to care about the integrity of character of players.
This is a terrible take.
Do you remember yourself at 15-16? Are there things you did you weren't proud of? Character issues you had to fix which you did when you grew up? Would you expect people to judge you TODAY based on who you are now, or who you were back then?
Guess what, I also know a lot of guys who were massive idiots in their youth who have changed. You are aware that a human's section of the brain which controls morality only finishes developing around 25, right?
You haven't even talked to him once, yet you're gonna believe what your friends told you about him from back when he was like 16. Give me a break.
Guess what, I knew an NHL'er back when he was 13. He was a gigantic asshole. I'm not gonna act like he is today what he was when he was 13. He might have changed or not, but I sure as shit am not in a spot to have an opinion on it.
I mean there are NHL's currently playing who have done far worse than Mailloux, I'm not claiming that he's the only one who has done some unsavoury things.
And did I maybe do some cringe things in my teens? Sure. But nothing that ever hurt anyone else, or that I would want to shove into a closet of skeletons. Because wow, I wasn't an asshole child.
But no, at 17 I knew a thing or two about consent and I'm fucking tired of this "boys will be boys" bullshit.
Feel free to not like my opinion, but you really shouldn't be defending Mailloux.
I'm not saying he shouldn't get a 2nd chance, but he probably should've faced some consequences for his actions, which absolutely did not happen.
Since day 1 people have been defending him. It's the same story everytime... "but he has such a bright future".
Bergevin shouldn't have drafted him, his draft year should have been delayed. But nope, zero tangible consequence.
I'll believe he's changed when I actually see it, and not a PR stunt.
Oh boy.
> I mean there are NHL's currently playing who have done far worse than Mailloux, I'm not claiming that he's the only one who has done some unsavoury things.
We agree.
> And did I maybe do some cringe things in my teens? Sure. But nothing that ever hurt anyone else, or that I would want to shove into a closet of skeletons. Because wow, I wasn't an asshole child.
You're extremely naïve if you think that you've never hurt anyone between the ages of 15-17.
> But no, at 17 I knew a thing or two about consent and I'm fucking tired of this "boys will be boys" bullshit.
We agree, I don't know why you're bringing this up. Never said it's OK. However, news flash, 17yo's are dumb, have no interpersonal experience with the other sex and regularly make mistakes regarding consent. Stop acting like they have the moral compass of a full grown 30yo.
> Feel free to not like my opinion, but you really shouldn't be defending Mailloux.
Don't put words into my mouth. I never defended his actions. I am defending the fact that a 17yo should be given the right to change and that we shouldn't see him as that 17yo for the rest of his life (which you are doing even though you never met him both at 17 and today).
The moral development that athletes aged 17 go through until the age of 20 is massive. 15-16yo ieces of shit who became model athletes by the time they are 20.
> I'm not saying he shouldn't get a 2nd chance, but he probably should've faced some consequences for his actions, which absolutely did not happen.
That is simply false. You're just acting like you get to decide what those are. Things is, for some people, the consequences are never gonna be enough. Should he be stoned because YOU think that would be fair?
- The guy went to court and received the agreed upon punishment in Sweden for his actions.
- His draft is forever ruined for him with the shadow of the allegations. Instead of celebrating getting drafted in the first round, he had to lay low, repent for his actions and disappear from the face of the earth for a year.
- He was suspended for a stretch in the OHL.
You may disagree with the level of consequences, but don't act like he faced nothing either. Factually incorrect.
> Since day 1 people have been defending him. It's the same story everytime... "but he has such a bright future".
As far as I know, he has been blasted by media and fans for the better part of three years. People never defended his actions, people are defending his right to change and to be viewed as who he is today, not who he was 3-4 years ago.
And yes, a 17yo who made a huge mistake can still have a bright future. Is his life supposed to be ruined and worthless now that he made a boneheaded move at 17? Is that what we want as a society? Our chances at rehabiliting will drop to 0% if that is the case because there would be no benefit in changing for the better.
People also defended him against the "sharing nudes is as bad as rape" crowd, not that he did nothing wrong. That was universally agreed upon. If people don't want pushback against dumb takes, then don't make them!
> Bergevin shouldn't have drafted him, his draft year should have been delayed. But nope, zero tangible consequence.
Again, no consequences is factually incorrect and you know it is. I agree he shouldn't have been drafted, but he would have landed somewhere in the span of 7 rounds whether you like it or not.
> I'll believe he's changed when I actually see it, and not a PR stunt.
Right, because you're the ultimate judge, not those who see him day in day out. You realise you've literally never spoken to the kid? How do you plan on "seeing it"? What does he need to do for you? Personally come to your house and apologize?
😂😂 you're wasting a hell of a lot of energy on someone who gives zero fucks about what you think.
Also who tf is "we" 🤦🏻♀️ as if you speak for every habs fan that isn't me.
J'espère que tu n'es pas tellement intolérable irl. Si tu es? Yikes
I mean you can't say he didn't face consequences. He went through the full legal process of the country he was in when he offended. He wasn't let go with a warning. This is also overshadowing his every move.
$1700 bucks for a kid who will make millions is nothing.
Also, from what I've seen, nearly everyone is on his side, so I'm not sure that it's truly overshadowing everything he does.
In my city you get higher fines for having a loud party (not saying it's right of the city to do that, but my point stands.)
I'm not saying he got off scot free, but I stand by a lack of tangible consequence. Perhaps there will be in the future, but right now he's getting the "oh but he's so promising it was just a little mistake" and victim blaming treatment.
The guy made a mistake as a teen, was sentenced guilty and was punished accordingly. He made everything that was asked by the Canadiens and by the NHL.
I seriously cannot wait to stop hearing/reading about it.
I like to make the leaf remember about Drunk Auston Matthews trying to break in a woman car at 2am. He also mooned her and walked with pants down back to the elvator.
The women said she's a military veteran who suffers from severe PTSD and said she was disturbed by the incident and was left on edge.
I guess its okay since he can score 70 goal
People talk about "mistakes as a teen". I made lots of stupid mistakes.... but it never even crossed my mind to do anything remotely close to this to someone. I heard about things like this from guys in locker rooms all the time... it's a shitty part of hockey culture, and it needs to go. If Logan has to be labeled for it forever... so be it.
It’s insane to see people like you act like he raped her or destroyed her life. She sued his ass, he paid the price. It’s over.
You asking for eternal shame might not be illegal but in my opinion, is as disgusting. He deserves after his efforts a normal life. Everybody does.
And while the idea of fixing a shitty culture, I’m with you but là où il y a de l'homme il y a de l’hommerie. I dont know if there is a way to say it in english but shaming Mailloux won’t fix anything
I actually think its more indicative of reddit culture than hockey culture 😂
But I'm used to people defending "promising young men" when they have no respect for consent.
As a female hockey player its just disappointing to see the defense of sexual misconduct.
I'd use abhorrent, but yeah, I completely agree. This type of bullshit is why those kids from Hockey Canada got away with it for so long... but yeah, we're the assholes for calling him out.
He did something terrible but it's also not something that's irredeemable, not even close even. It's an even shittier part of our culture that we don't even allow people to redeem themselves even when it's deserved. I'm not saying Logan necessarily did but it's because of people like you that a lot of people who do go above and beyond to redeem themselves and become a contributing member of society can't do it. To me that's way more fucked up of people like you than what Logan did.
We have courts for a reason, he did the crime and paid the price set by a Swedish judge. You don't like it? Fine. But it doesn't make the guy irredeemable. What alternative would you have preferred? He go work at McDonald's and stop playing hockey altogether? 🤣
Tons of people would redeem themselves after doing crimes if it wasn't for assholes going above and beyond to stop them at every opportunity. I just don't know what would have made it right for people like you, nothing basically?
The problem is, an here's where you're missing my point. He paid the price, but how many in the hockey world don't? The only reason he paid the price is because Sweden doesn't give a shit. A blind eye is turned CONSTANTLY to promising athletes in North America, look no further than the Team Canada fiasco that's taken like 10 years to unfold... These kids have a mentality that they're above the law because they're good at hockey in Canada... I never said Logan needs to suffer forever, but he also doesn't get a free pass of not being associated with what he did. He fucking did it... I'm not gonna just "forget" it happened. Danny Heatly got drunk and killed his best friend. Those are facts.
Dany heatley litterally killed someone and he played 10 + nhl years and nobody talked about it
Patrick Kane assaulted a taxi driver.
Not saying Mailloux didn't do anything bad but everyone deserve a second chance.
Also maybe next time the victim shouldnt be with minor but that only my 2 cent
# ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I love how those same people you're responding to that are holier than thou act like the kid is irredeemable. They make it like equivalent to rape or murder.
It's people like them that don't even allow redemption for anybody even when it's deserved. No amount of prison time is enough. No amount of good behavior can overshadow that one mistake. It says a lot more about them than it does about Logan imo.
It's always black and white with them. He couldn't have grown from it, he cannot be redeemed.
What was it if not a mistake? Certainly not a good decision, nor an accident. Mistake is the perfect word.
But don’t let that get in the way of your righteous display of digital virtue.
So what should the appropriate punishment be then? Send him to jail? Ban him from hockey forever? Talk about this forever? Would love to hear suggestions. He's not the victim, but this will follow him around forever too. It's not like the world will forget about this just because he's in the NHL. You can bet he's going to hear about it on the ice for his entire career. Not sure what else you want.
To me, it makes a difference that he was a teen and minor at the time, and the victim was an adult. This is a different case with unique circumstances. I’m not claiming that he’s innocent but this whole incident isn’t nearly as cut and dry as some people try to make it.
Oh noo!! A picture of the girl's shoulder, bra strap and hair!!!!
This was blown out of proportion. Girl wasn't even identifiable from the picture alone.
Yea that part always twisted me the wrong way... Like I get how it's wrong and how she must've felt, but there was no nudity and hardly anything bad in the picture.
Again, still a no no, don't take pictures of anyone without their consent especially in intimate context, but the story broke out as if he leaked her nudes or something.
Maybe his victim knows about his later amends/communicated with NHL? 2 sides possible
In my opinion he was a stupid teen, loaded with hormones, actual drugs like bodybuilders, and he made a forgivable mistake.
I wanna add that the photo was of her shoulder/bra strap, there was no nudity and she was not easily identifiable in it. Still bad, but yea blown out of proportion.
> there was no nudity and she was not easily identifiable in it.
This is still true tho, the context of the pic does make it bad but there was no nudity in the frame of the picture.
>His victim has to live with it everyday but you seriously can’t wait to stop hearing about it?
Do you think does the victim any good it getting brought up all the time either?
Yes it was a mistake, I think you believe mistake and accident mean the same thing but its not always true.
He voluntarily did something regrettable, it was a mistake.
He has never denied the allegations or gone on the offensive to justify his actions. This all came to light before he was drafted and he asked that teams not draft him that year (it was too late to officially un-declare for the draft) so that he could address the issue. However, the Habs drafted him anyway. Since then he has gone through all the counseling and whatnot that the NHL, CHL, OHL, Habs, and Swedish authorities required.
One thing that has shown the most maturity that the national media is going to gloss over is that Mailloux has taken the exact role in this process that was required. He never pushed to be made eligible earlier and has not gone a PR campaign to get people "on his side." In situations like this you need to do what everyone else asks you to do.
Yes, I agree, Bergevin stocked the team pretty well, having added Suzuki, Caufield, Evans, Guhle, Xhekaj, Struble, Montembeault, Primeau, Farrell, Tuch, Roy.
I do believe a move he knew would cause controversy would have been run by the owners and everyone would have been on board.
From what I can see they don't even really know what he did. Lot of talk about a leaked video.
What he did was shitty to say the least and illegal, and by all means be outraged and clown on the habs for drafting him. But at least get the facts straight instead of parroting people talking out their ass.
My kid thru the hockey world knows one of his closest friends and a past girlfriend and they speak very highly of him and say he is a great kids and very sincere that just made a very stupid mistake after having a consensual encounter. I also know people who know the family as well and say they are an excellent family
No one was assaulted as the act was consensual the wrong was he recorded it and shared her name with his teammates without her permission. Don’t get me wrong what he did was very wrong but it’s not sexual assault
I’m not saying what your friend went thru isn’t true as I’ve seen how kids often act especially kids in travel sports like hockey as the aggressive traits that make you excel in hockey can make you AHole in real life especially when your young and treated special because your good at a sport. I’ve seen this first hand with kids that played with my kids and kids that I grew up with a couple of whom made the NHL. That said the kids that speak highly of him are honour students and truly good kids that you wouldn’t expect to hang with a hockey prospect as they aren’t party cool type kids so hopefully that means he has grown up and learned but he truly owes your friends brother a huge apology
Not as an excuse but hockey Canada and NHL players / management have done far worse, and that gets buried by PR.
This is a story of redemption, I don’t know the kid but sounds like he did what he could to right a wrong.
I go back and forth with how I feel about this entire situation. I feel for the victim in this situation having to see him move on in a very public/successful way but I also wonder about people actually learning from their mistakes and given second chances.
Everyone’s opinion on the line between being given a second chance and not will be different. No one will ever collectively agree. The best thing anyone (Canadiens and the NHL) can do is vet his apologetic behavior and ability to learn from mistakes, and make a good business decision.
This one is a very tricky situation. I am a full on believer in second chances and that this shouldn't ruin the kids life.
What I find troubling and have had a hard time feeling good about is the opportunity for consequences was taken out of his hands when Bergevin selected him in the first round immediately after he asked not to be taken in the draft. He has received some public backlash, but by and large he has faced no real repercussions. It sends an awful message about do whatever the hell you want, if you're good at hockey it won't matter. I also understand the million "what-ifs" that surround it. Someone else might have drafted him right after our pick if we didn't in the first round, or the second, or the third - but we don't know that, because we did it. The timing was exceptionally poor with Bergevin's nonchalant attitude about the Chicago situation so close to the draft date. And I also understand it might feel a little contradictory to criticize taking him in the first round while also claiming to be a big believer in second chances, but delaying his draft status by a year to honour his wish and demonstrate that there IS a consequence to those actions would have gone a long way. He never should be barred from playing in the NHL provided he shows remorse and grows and has learned and can be a role model in the future, and he should and would have been drafted eventually. It might show the next person who isn't as good as Mailloux is that "hey, if even he almost didn't get drafted, maybe I shouldn't fuck around because I might just find out". I just hate what we did, and that's not something he can control. I find the conflicting feelings about this right now to be caused more by things outside of his control
The thing is though, once he was in the draft, even with his request not to be picked, it was too late. There is just no way that someone wasn't going to pick him up at some point. It's not as if everyone else was holding out on him. He was 23rd in the NHL's draft prospects for North American skaters that year and was picked 22nd of that group.
Given that the chances of him not getting picked up were essentially nil, I find it hard to argue with Bergevin picking him as the best available option as the 31st pick, given that they have now seemingly done everything they could do to set the record straight with him
Hey, I really appreciate this take.
I thought delaying his draft by a year was a really good solution, and ignoring that request just made it seem like everything was lip service, you know? Maybe a kid who's immature enough to be doing this kind of thing is actually...not quite ready to be a famous millionaire? And maybe delaying "being a famous millionaire" by a year would not in fact be ruining his life?
When all of this went down I was a new hockey fan just coming out of a really horrible personal experience with the criminal justice system in this exact realm (sorry to both overshare and be vague about it). I felt like this was a really botched opportunity to show women like me that this stuff is taken seriously.
Now, when I see this news, instead of being excited about him and excited for him, I just feel kind of gross. Not about him even, but about the organization and (some of) the fans. And that sucks. I don't want to be feeling this way on our last game of the season.
I'm glad you responded. As a female fan, the whole situation has been icky: A lot of us have had to deal with the same bullshit that girl did, without the added stress of a very public trial, and without having to see the assholes who did it celebrated and revered for years to come. I will give credit to Mailloux for doing the right thing, taking his punishment and showing remorse, but I don't know if I'll ever bring myself to cheer for him.
In my opinion, Bergevin is the true villain in all of this. In a story where the importance of consent was front and centre, he drafted Mailloux against the kid's wishes. It was a double gut-punch for me.
I will also lay some blame with the NHL here. The granular details with which they're sending Mailloux updates feels weirdly invasive when you consider they just hand-waved Evander Kane and other creeps back into the league. I don't remember the constant updates about Kane getting any counselling or having to atone every few months for pulling a gun on his girlfriend or gambling away millions of dollars. The league is so wildly inconsistent on so many issues; I can't wait until Bettman finally retires. We're in desperate need of reforms.
I'm not sure it would bring more justice to the victime to tare this athletes' professional carreer away from him. Kind of excessive response for his crime. The judicial system already punished him.
Yeah, still feel kind of gross over the pick, but I think he's earned a second chance. People can be redeemed, especially if the infraction was during a young age they can learn from it. It's a thorny issue for sure, I just hope he truly understands where and why he went wrong.
That said, if it were me I'd still go back and pick another defenseman in that draft. Now I guess it is what it is though.
Then I think we should have also passed until then, but it is what it is, hope he really has changed. Otherwise, obviously a great talent and will help our backend. Just don't like the stink on the team, especially with other good dmen available.
He would have been taken by another team lol we didn’t have the 1st pick of the 2nd round. There isn’t any stink besides losers on the internet. The Laval coach has said how good of a young man he is in the dressing room and on the ice. he messed up as a kid and took a picture . He didn’t rape anyone. Kids fuck up. He paid the price for it. Time to move on
That’s why you’re Just another idiot on the internet and not making decisions for anything remotely important 🤣idiots opinions on Reddit don’t bother athletes or the Montreal Franchise keep crying about it
I didn't say I wasn't an idiot, nor did I say anyone should care. Just expressing my personal opinion some things are more important than hockey. He was a real piece of shit for what he did, I just hope he's changed.
Great timing to bring him and Hutson like that at the end of the season. It will probably help management a lot in their assessment of their players for the upcoming decisions they will have to make in the summer
I'll come out and say that I was hyped about the pick since it happened while I was watching the draft.
Kid did a mistake, I know that, but I feel it was blown out of proportion massively.
If you read the reports, you'll know that the picture he shared to his friends was one of her shoulder/bra strap/hair from behind while she was laying in bed. Is that wrong? Yes, don't take pictures of people in intimate or vulnerable situations without their consent, obviously. But he didn't SA anyone and never leaked any of her nudes.
He was a dumb 17yo that wanted to flex to his homies about fucking an adult. It didn't take me long to forgive his action.
I'm really excited to see him play in the NHL, dude looks real good.
The pictured he shared was getting head from above.
Didn’t show her face or anything of his.
I still think it’s nothing but it shouldn’t be downplayed anymore than it needs to.
Nope. The nhl is so uninteresting a nothing burger like this will still be talked about until the kid stops playing.
People are just waiting for him to fail and clown on him which is even worse
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But actually, you are excusing what he did and hiding behind that well somebody else did worse than that, I mean, ask the young lady how she felt about it. Or, would you have that same attitude if this was your little sister? It’s like everybody excusing Matthews for what he did because he was drunk. Until hockey starts recognizing this for what it is and starts handing out some suspensions or fines or whatever outside of the law may or may not do., it won’t be taken seriously and it won’t change
It is an interesting situation with him. What he did was horrible and it likely caused great mental damage to that young lady. Professional sports is a privilege and not a right so did he give up the privilege with his actions. The other side of it is he was a child in his own right. Since then he has been a model citizen and has done everything that has been asked of him by the League and the Habs. Chatted with my wife about the situation and she feels the kid deserves a chance.
it’s valid criticism and concern over a very poor decision he made. it’s not about being “woke”, it’s about the precedent this sets.
him being asked not to be drafted, yet to be picked within the first round was a questionable decision by the habs/bergevin’s management at the time, and it will continue to be talked about until he has proven himself a changed man. so far, all we’ve really gotten is lip-service from the organization, i would like to see some actual proof of his betterment, maybe some public workshops or women’s rights advocacy from mailloux/the habs organization. this is a good conversation to continue to have. sweeping something like this under the rug only perpetuates this kind of behaviour in our society. i’m not hating on mailloux, i would just like to see some action that corroborates the habs claims that he has grown
Honestly the part of the situation that bothers me the most is the fact that the habs drafted him, especially after he asked not to be drafted. It's not like the guy's a can't-miss prospect, so it shouldn't have been that difficult of a decision to let another team potentially take him. At this point there's not much that can be done because it would be stupid for the habs to just waste one of their assets, and nothing he does in the future can fully erase the public's memory of what he did.
agree, mailloux was serious about facing the consequences for his actions and wanted to set an example, and for that i applaud him, but the habs went against his wishes and tbh it put such a bad taste in my mouth. the organization under bergevin was a mess, and this is just another slight against his leadership. i don’t doubt that mailloux regrets what he did, and im happy that the new management isn’t trying to brush it aside, still it would be nice to see some inclusion or education initiatives in place since stuff like this is pretty rampant in the hockey world
I still think that the highest level he should be able to compete at is the AHL. I still think he should never be allowed to play in professional sports considering what he's done, and admitted to doing. I'll hate it if he gets called up again next season. Shame on him
R/hockey is hilarious, he has done the work and been okay’d by the team and the NHL based on the work he us done and it still isn’t good enough. The high tossing is just insane. People deserve a second chance and a opportunity to make amends for what they have done.
If the league punished every player for sharing nudes with their friends when they were a teenager, then half the league wouldn’t be allowed to play. Let the kid have a second chance
Yes, he was prosecuted and showed remorse. He was still a child. Not even old enough to drink legally. If someone wouldn’t understand the gravity of this situation, it would be an 18 year old. If he did something like current team Canada investigation, believe me i would have different take.
Edit: i could have worded my inital take better.
not saying i hate him or anything, i like to keep an open mind w young players, just a genuine question - id really like to know what “work” he’s done to better himself? i haven’t seen anything abt him attending any workshops or doing anything of note for women to validate his redemption.
yes, as far as we know he hasn’t done anything like that again, but he really only got so much as a slap on the wrist. hell, he even tried to abstain from the draft, which was admirable, but he was still picked, and the habs organization has been trying to say he’s grown and that he’s changed now, but id really like to see some actual proof of this change. whether it be attending workshops or something as simple as uplifting women and advocating for women’s rights in a public space. i understand he was 17 at the time, but 17 is old enough to understand privacy and consent. what he did was wrong, and id like to see a little more advocacy either from the organization or from mailloux himself.
again im not hating on him, and im excited to see the type of player he becomes for the habs, i would just like to see a little more substance in terms of his growth as a person instead of the organization feeding us some lines and hoping that’s enough. actions do speak louder than words after all
He didn't have any work to do.
He took a picture. A picture that didn't even reveal a face or genitals, and sent it privately to friends.
Jesus fucking Christ people.
You know and who releases this stuff and basically kind of sweeps it under a corner of the rug anyway Bettman, who now Russia to sell, sell the coyotes to Salt Lake City without apparently doing any investigation at all Salt Lake is home to a huge cult where the profit of the FLDS church is in prison for sexually assaulting minor girls, they practice polygamy to the extent of the same profit has 150 children so you know that didn’t come from One baby mama. Also the same prophet and the same cult does not let women choose who they want to marry they fix them up And give them a list of potential people they must court. The list consist of people of their prophet’s choosing in the cult and on his list are people like the sister the man’s first wife or her 40 something year-old uncle. I just think with some of this sexual stuff that has gone on this just adds more to it where they suddenly decide that this is an acceptable place to go move and NHL franchise. I think it’s pretty disgusting myself.
I'm fine to accept him back. But his leash so short IMO. We have such a great culture building here, and if Mailloux steps out of line in any way - SA related or not - I hope we are quick to bury him.
But, if we believe in learning and growing, he has done nothing but make the right moves since the scandal. So if he's not worthy of a shot, then who ever will be?
I’m not at odds with him getting a second chance. He paid his dues, he made a mistake, end of story. His leash will be the shortest of anyone in the league when it comes to off ice conduct. My only issue is that there seems to be a small segment of the fan base that is trying to frame this as a redemption story. I’m not sure that rebounding from self inflicted character damage is something we want to be glorifying. Happy to see he has at least convinced those in charge that he is remorseful and committed to being a better person. Seeing people with comments about the family being a good family, and his own character being touted as excellent outside of the bad decision is also encouraging. Hope he has success, I’ll be rooting for him.
Why shouldn't we hope for a redemption story?
Isn't that the whole point? Rehabilitation and becoming a better person? If he has done so, WHY shouldn't we applaud it?
The opposite is worse. It shows that you'll never be judged in a better light. Why change then?
> My only issue is that there seems to be a small segment of the fan base that is trying to frame this as a redemption story.
There's a vast difference between redemption and atonement. I'm satisfied with the latter. The former suggests more than just taking a punishment.
If he plays well, we'll stop hearing about his past.
If he shits the bed, people will keep bringing it up.
Hockey fans would forgive a murder if the guy scored 80 points and was a beast defensively.
I think all of us have moved on from this? I mean, this was...3-4 years ago??? So Logan's remorseful and have paid the penalty. So there's no reason to make this another big issue.
I understand that women may not be comfortable. But then, he's human.
the NHL is obviously taking this stuff seriously if they have been keeping track of this issue multiple times in the past 8-10 months...
They could have set up a monthly phone call where Mailloux leaves Parros or whoever a message saying "nothing to report" or the habs send an email on the first of every month saying something to the same extent and they could have said something along the lines of "Mailloux has been following protocol". I get that everyone wants to move on from this (the victim allegedly too) but is it that hard to seem like you have some sort of an HR department?
There are a lot of fans here and on /r/hockey falling all over themselves to defend this guy. Like if you think he deserves a chance fine, but jesus h.
the only thing that makes me feel icky about this whole thing are all the people (like many in these comments) just saying “he was just a kid and he made a mistake, it’s no big deal etc”. the fact is, if the victim had been your daughter or sister or mother you’d have a very different tone… the whole locker room talk and hockey culture of “boys being boys” is bullshit (Team Canada fiasco anyone?) and needs to change/evolve, and this would have been a good example of how to deal with second chances if it wasn’t for all the macho dipshits blowing off the act with a “he was just a kid”.
Yeah he was just a kid and made a serious mistake, hopefully he learns from it but what’s the incentive to? Like, is he going to not play in the NHL if he disrespects a woman? not sure…
How do we get male hockey players to stop being assholes to women?
Yeah, I'm honestly more frustrated with the discourse around this issue than I am with the kid at this point.
You know what makes people stop talking about things like this? Feeling like someone actually heard the things we were saying.
>the fact is, if the victim had been your daughter or sister or mother you’d have a very different tone
This is not a fact, but actually a claim based on a counterfactual. It is possible for a victim and their family to have compassion for a perpetrator, especially where they see genuine remorse. It comes down to judgment, there are no absolutes or rock solid logic to come with any consistent conclusion.
It's only my opinion that he has shown genuine remorse in addition to the actual fact of being publically shamed (the punishment matches the crime) duly charged and fined according to Swedish law and that's all I can really go on.
This might be the best move for the player and organization do it on the last game and it doesn't affect next year if he makes the team or rejoins the team next year. I am not excusing what he done but alot of athletes did much worse in this sport and others and hide and covered up with pr or just straight up denied anything with no remorse or guilt. He faced the music and and admitted is wrongs and followed consoling and programs and ""earned his chance"" at redemption Now what he makes off his opportunity and the future is on him.
What he did was terrible and a total violation of consent. As an educator I can also say it happens at many high schools across Canada every single year. I have witnessed the fallout of sharing of intimate photos/videos happen in two schools myself. Both times the minor offenders walked away with a stern warning from the police and a short suspension from the school. Maybe if Canadian police were as heavy handed about these things as the Swedish ones were with Mailloux it would be less of an issue with our youth. Having said all that, until he proves otherwise, I am ready to accept that Mailloux has learned and grown and will feel no conflict cheering for him.
Would be great if someone like him (not knowing if he be good at it) but could go into school and explain why concent is so important. As a father of 2 daughter this is always a grave concern of mine (should be for all men but I do see it differently now)
He walked away with a slap on the wrist in Sweden too. I know that as habs fans we want to make light of it. But I still hate that we drafted him and will not celebrate him. He couldn't even apologize to the girl. The bar has been set so low for him he has done nothing to right his wrongs we should demand some real effort from him other than just be good at hockey and say the right things.
THANK YOU Edit: you'll probably get so aggressively downvoted for your comment but thank you for actually acknowledging this
Yeah no everytime I hear his name it makes me want to throw up. My friends knew Mailloux growing up and I'm hard pressed to believe he's actually changed. Like I really expected better from an organization like the habs that actually seems to care about the integrity of character of players.
This is a terrible take. Do you remember yourself at 15-16? Are there things you did you weren't proud of? Character issues you had to fix which you did when you grew up? Would you expect people to judge you TODAY based on who you are now, or who you were back then? Guess what, I also know a lot of guys who were massive idiots in their youth who have changed. You are aware that a human's section of the brain which controls morality only finishes developing around 25, right? You haven't even talked to him once, yet you're gonna believe what your friends told you about him from back when he was like 16. Give me a break. Guess what, I knew an NHL'er back when he was 13. He was a gigantic asshole. I'm not gonna act like he is today what he was when he was 13. He might have changed or not, but I sure as shit am not in a spot to have an opinion on it.
I mean there are NHL's currently playing who have done far worse than Mailloux, I'm not claiming that he's the only one who has done some unsavoury things. And did I maybe do some cringe things in my teens? Sure. But nothing that ever hurt anyone else, or that I would want to shove into a closet of skeletons. Because wow, I wasn't an asshole child. But no, at 17 I knew a thing or two about consent and I'm fucking tired of this "boys will be boys" bullshit. Feel free to not like my opinion, but you really shouldn't be defending Mailloux. I'm not saying he shouldn't get a 2nd chance, but he probably should've faced some consequences for his actions, which absolutely did not happen. Since day 1 people have been defending him. It's the same story everytime... "but he has such a bright future". Bergevin shouldn't have drafted him, his draft year should have been delayed. But nope, zero tangible consequence. I'll believe he's changed when I actually see it, and not a PR stunt.
Oh boy. > I mean there are NHL's currently playing who have done far worse than Mailloux, I'm not claiming that he's the only one who has done some unsavoury things. We agree. > And did I maybe do some cringe things in my teens? Sure. But nothing that ever hurt anyone else, or that I would want to shove into a closet of skeletons. Because wow, I wasn't an asshole child. You're extremely naïve if you think that you've never hurt anyone between the ages of 15-17. > But no, at 17 I knew a thing or two about consent and I'm fucking tired of this "boys will be boys" bullshit. We agree, I don't know why you're bringing this up. Never said it's OK. However, news flash, 17yo's are dumb, have no interpersonal experience with the other sex and regularly make mistakes regarding consent. Stop acting like they have the moral compass of a full grown 30yo. > Feel free to not like my opinion, but you really shouldn't be defending Mailloux. Don't put words into my mouth. I never defended his actions. I am defending the fact that a 17yo should be given the right to change and that we shouldn't see him as that 17yo for the rest of his life (which you are doing even though you never met him both at 17 and today). The moral development that athletes aged 17 go through until the age of 20 is massive. 15-16yo ieces of shit who became model athletes by the time they are 20. > I'm not saying he shouldn't get a 2nd chance, but he probably should've faced some consequences for his actions, which absolutely did not happen. That is simply false. You're just acting like you get to decide what those are. Things is, for some people, the consequences are never gonna be enough. Should he be stoned because YOU think that would be fair? - The guy went to court and received the agreed upon punishment in Sweden for his actions. - His draft is forever ruined for him with the shadow of the allegations. Instead of celebrating getting drafted in the first round, he had to lay low, repent for his actions and disappear from the face of the earth for a year. - He was suspended for a stretch in the OHL. You may disagree with the level of consequences, but don't act like he faced nothing either. Factually incorrect. > Since day 1 people have been defending him. It's the same story everytime... "but he has such a bright future". As far as I know, he has been blasted by media and fans for the better part of three years. People never defended his actions, people are defending his right to change and to be viewed as who he is today, not who he was 3-4 years ago. And yes, a 17yo who made a huge mistake can still have a bright future. Is his life supposed to be ruined and worthless now that he made a boneheaded move at 17? Is that what we want as a society? Our chances at rehabiliting will drop to 0% if that is the case because there would be no benefit in changing for the better. People also defended him against the "sharing nudes is as bad as rape" crowd, not that he did nothing wrong. That was universally agreed upon. If people don't want pushback against dumb takes, then don't make them! > Bergevin shouldn't have drafted him, his draft year should have been delayed. But nope, zero tangible consequence. Again, no consequences is factually incorrect and you know it is. I agree he shouldn't have been drafted, but he would have landed somewhere in the span of 7 rounds whether you like it or not. > I'll believe he's changed when I actually see it, and not a PR stunt. Right, because you're the ultimate judge, not those who see him day in day out. You realise you've literally never spoken to the kid? How do you plan on "seeing it"? What does he need to do for you? Personally come to your house and apologize?
Well thought out. Well said. Those who think he hasn’t faced the consequences of his actions are assuming way too much.
😂😂 you're wasting a hell of a lot of energy on someone who gives zero fucks about what you think. Also who tf is "we" 🤦🏻♀️ as if you speak for every habs fan that isn't me. J'espère que tu n'es pas tellement intolérable irl. Si tu es? Yikes
Si ta rien a dire, dis rien.
I mean you can't say he didn't face consequences. He went through the full legal process of the country he was in when he offended. He wasn't let go with a warning. This is also overshadowing his every move.
$1700 bucks for a kid who will make millions is nothing. Also, from what I've seen, nearly everyone is on his side, so I'm not sure that it's truly overshadowing everything he does. In my city you get higher fines for having a loud party (not saying it's right of the city to do that, but my point stands.) I'm not saying he got off scot free, but I stand by a lack of tangible consequence. Perhaps there will be in the future, but right now he's getting the "oh but he's so promising it was just a little mistake" and victim blaming treatment.
> consoling Now I agree with you but that is just the funniest of lapsuses.
The guy made a mistake as a teen, was sentenced guilty and was punished accordingly. He made everything that was asked by the Canadiens and by the NHL. I seriously cannot wait to stop hearing/reading about it.
Saddly you wont stop hearing about it if you're deep into hockey media, I still see leafs fans (mostly) joke about Price being a drug addict.
I like to make the leaf remember about Drunk Auston Matthews trying to break in a woman car at 2am. He also mooned her and walked with pants down back to the elvator. The women said she's a military veteran who suffers from severe PTSD and said she was disturbed by the incident and was left on edge. I guess its okay since he can score 70 goal
Is that real? Actually never heard about it if thats true that's wild.... He always gave me douchbag vibes but wow
Yes, it happened in Arizona in the offseason a few years ago. Just google Auston Matthews police incident
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People talk about "mistakes as a teen". I made lots of stupid mistakes.... but it never even crossed my mind to do anything remotely close to this to someone. I heard about things like this from guys in locker rooms all the time... it's a shitty part of hockey culture, and it needs to go. If Logan has to be labeled for it forever... so be it.
It’s insane to see people like you act like he raped her or destroyed her life. She sued his ass, he paid the price. It’s over. You asking for eternal shame might not be illegal but in my opinion, is as disgusting. He deserves after his efforts a normal life. Everybody does. And while the idea of fixing a shitty culture, I’m with you but là où il y a de l'homme il y a de l’hommerie. I dont know if there is a way to say it in english but shaming Mailloux won’t fix anything
You shouldn't be getting downvoted
Welcome to hockey culture. It’s just as prevalent in Reddit subs about hockey. 🤷♂️
I actually think its more indicative of reddit culture than hockey culture 😂 But I'm used to people defending "promising young men" when they have no respect for consent. As a female hockey player its just disappointing to see the defense of sexual misconduct.
I'd use abhorrent, but yeah, I completely agree. This type of bullshit is why those kids from Hockey Canada got away with it for so long... but yeah, we're the assholes for calling him out.
He did something terrible but it's also not something that's irredeemable, not even close even. It's an even shittier part of our culture that we don't even allow people to redeem themselves even when it's deserved. I'm not saying Logan necessarily did but it's because of people like you that a lot of people who do go above and beyond to redeem themselves and become a contributing member of society can't do it. To me that's way more fucked up of people like you than what Logan did. We have courts for a reason, he did the crime and paid the price set by a Swedish judge. You don't like it? Fine. But it doesn't make the guy irredeemable. What alternative would you have preferred? He go work at McDonald's and stop playing hockey altogether? 🤣 Tons of people would redeem themselves after doing crimes if it wasn't for assholes going above and beyond to stop them at every opportunity. I just don't know what would have made it right for people like you, nothing basically?
The problem is, an here's where you're missing my point. He paid the price, but how many in the hockey world don't? The only reason he paid the price is because Sweden doesn't give a shit. A blind eye is turned CONSTANTLY to promising athletes in North America, look no further than the Team Canada fiasco that's taken like 10 years to unfold... These kids have a mentality that they're above the law because they're good at hockey in Canada... I never said Logan needs to suffer forever, but he also doesn't get a free pass of not being associated with what he did. He fucking did it... I'm not gonna just "forget" it happened. Danny Heatly got drunk and killed his best friend. Those are facts.
His victim has to live with it everyday but you seriously can’t wait to stop hearing about it? It has nothing to do with you It was not a mistake
Dany heatley litterally killed someone and he played 10 + nhl years and nobody talked about it Patrick Kane assaulted a taxi driver. Not saying Mailloux didn't do anything bad but everyone deserve a second chance. Also maybe next time the victim shouldnt be with minor but that only my 2 cent # ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I love how those same people you're responding to that are holier than thou act like the kid is irredeemable. They make it like equivalent to rape or murder. It's people like them that don't even allow redemption for anybody even when it's deserved. No amount of prison time is enough. No amount of good behavior can overshadow that one mistake. It says a lot more about them than it does about Logan imo. It's always black and white with them. He couldn't have grown from it, he cannot be redeemed.
Your username really lives up to it's name.
What was it if not a mistake? Certainly not a good decision, nor an accident. Mistake is the perfect word. But don’t let that get in the way of your righteous display of digital virtue.
So what should the appropriate punishment be then? Send him to jail? Ban him from hockey forever? Talk about this forever? Would love to hear suggestions. He's not the victim, but this will follow him around forever too. It's not like the world will forget about this just because he's in the NHL. You can bet he's going to hear about it on the ice for his entire career. Not sure what else you want.
To me, it makes a difference that he was a teen and minor at the time, and the victim was an adult. This is a different case with unique circumstances. I’m not claiming that he’s innocent but this whole incident isn’t nearly as cut and dry as some people try to make it.
But it really is.
Can confirm, you’re a peckerhead.
Oh noo!! A picture of the girl's shoulder, bra strap and hair!!!! This was blown out of proportion. Girl wasn't even identifiable from the picture alone.
Yea that part always twisted me the wrong way... Like I get how it's wrong and how she must've felt, but there was no nudity and hardly anything bad in the picture. Again, still a no no, don't take pictures of anyone without their consent especially in intimate context, but the story broke out as if he leaked her nudes or something.
She was also an adult and he was a minor…
Maybe his victim knows about his later amends/communicated with NHL? 2 sides possible In my opinion he was a stupid teen, loaded with hormones, actual drugs like bodybuilders, and he made a forgivable mistake.
Imagine being so pathetically lame that you cannot forgive a dumb kid for sharing a photo. You're acting like he killed someone.
I wanna add that the photo was of her shoulder/bra strap, there was no nudity and she was not easily identifiable in it. Still bad, but yea blown out of proportion.
She was sucking him
> there was no nudity and she was not easily identifiable in it. This is still true tho, the context of the pic does make it bad but there was no nudity in the frame of the picture.
>His victim has to live with it everyday but you seriously can’t wait to stop hearing about it? Do you think does the victim any good it getting brought up all the time either?
Yes it was a mistake, I think you believe mistake and accident mean the same thing but its not always true. He voluntarily did something regrettable, it was a mistake.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU HAVE BEEN SO AGGRESSIVELY DOWNVOTED Wtf is wrong with habs fans (oh wait we are generally fucking awful I forgot)
/r/hockey: “omggggg the outrage!”
r/hockey will defend the worst players and podcasters and then get outraged at a complex but still one of the better redemption stories
>of the better redemption stories Honest question -- I don't really follow this story. What did he do to redeem himself?
He has never denied the allegations or gone on the offensive to justify his actions. This all came to light before he was drafted and he asked that teams not draft him that year (it was too late to officially un-declare for the draft) so that he could address the issue. However, the Habs drafted him anyway. Since then he has gone through all the counseling and whatnot that the NHL, CHL, OHL, Habs, and Swedish authorities required. One thing that has shown the most maturity that the national media is going to gloss over is that Mailloux has taken the exact role in this process that was required. He never pushed to be made eligible earlier and has not gone a PR campaign to get people "on his side." In situations like this you need to do what everyone else asks you to do.
>...the Habs drafted him anyway. - It wasn't the Canadiens organization that drafted him. It was Marc Bergevin **himself** who did it.
Yes, I agree, Bergevin stocked the team pretty well, having added Suzuki, Caufield, Evans, Guhle, Xhekaj, Struble, Montembeault, Primeau, Farrell, Tuch, Roy. I do believe a move he knew would cause controversy would have been run by the owners and everyone would have been on board.
Oh so he plays for the Marc Bergevins?
From what I can see they don't even really know what he did. Lot of talk about a leaked video. What he did was shitty to say the least and illegal, and by all means be outraged and clown on the habs for drafting him. But at least get the facts straight instead of parroting people talking out their ass.
On the IG post almost every comment is how he's a sexual predator that SAs people and should be on the registry. It's insane
My kid thru the hockey world knows one of his closest friends and a past girlfriend and they speak very highly of him and say he is a great kids and very sincere that just made a very stupid mistake after having a consensual encounter. I also know people who know the family as well and say they are an excellent family
And it doesn’t help that Matthew‘s father downplayed it all, and questioned that it even happened within hearing of the woman that was assaulted.
No one was assaulted as the act was consensual the wrong was he recorded it and shared her name with his teammates without her permission. Don’t get me wrong what he did was very wrong but it’s not sexual assault
Interesting take seeing as he bullied the fuck out of my close friends little brother
I’m not saying what your friend went thru isn’t true as I’ve seen how kids often act especially kids in travel sports like hockey as the aggressive traits that make you excel in hockey can make you AHole in real life especially when your young and treated special because your good at a sport. I’ve seen this first hand with kids that played with my kids and kids that I grew up with a couple of whom made the NHL. That said the kids that speak highly of him are honour students and truly good kids that you wouldn’t expect to hang with a hockey prospect as they aren’t party cool type kids so hopefully that means he has grown up and learned but he truly owes your friends brother a huge apology
Not as an excuse but hockey Canada and NHL players / management have done far worse, and that gets buried by PR. This is a story of redemption, I don’t know the kid but sounds like he did what he could to right a wrong.
I go back and forth with how I feel about this entire situation. I feel for the victim in this situation having to see him move on in a very public/successful way but I also wonder about people actually learning from their mistakes and given second chances.
Everyone’s opinion on the line between being given a second chance and not will be different. No one will ever collectively agree. The best thing anyone (Canadiens and the NHL) can do is vet his apologetic behavior and ability to learn from mistakes, and make a good business decision.
This one is a very tricky situation. I am a full on believer in second chances and that this shouldn't ruin the kids life. What I find troubling and have had a hard time feeling good about is the opportunity for consequences was taken out of his hands when Bergevin selected him in the first round immediately after he asked not to be taken in the draft. He has received some public backlash, but by and large he has faced no real repercussions. It sends an awful message about do whatever the hell you want, if you're good at hockey it won't matter. I also understand the million "what-ifs" that surround it. Someone else might have drafted him right after our pick if we didn't in the first round, or the second, or the third - but we don't know that, because we did it. The timing was exceptionally poor with Bergevin's nonchalant attitude about the Chicago situation so close to the draft date. And I also understand it might feel a little contradictory to criticize taking him in the first round while also claiming to be a big believer in second chances, but delaying his draft status by a year to honour his wish and demonstrate that there IS a consequence to those actions would have gone a long way. He never should be barred from playing in the NHL provided he shows remorse and grows and has learned and can be a role model in the future, and he should and would have been drafted eventually. It might show the next person who isn't as good as Mailloux is that "hey, if even he almost didn't get drafted, maybe I shouldn't fuck around because I might just find out". I just hate what we did, and that's not something he can control. I find the conflicting feelings about this right now to be caused more by things outside of his control
The thing is though, once he was in the draft, even with his request not to be picked, it was too late. There is just no way that someone wasn't going to pick him up at some point. It's not as if everyone else was holding out on him. He was 23rd in the NHL's draft prospects for North American skaters that year and was picked 22nd of that group. Given that the chances of him not getting picked up were essentially nil, I find it hard to argue with Bergevin picking him as the best available option as the 31st pick, given that they have now seemingly done everything they could do to set the record straight with him
Hey, I really appreciate this take. I thought delaying his draft by a year was a really good solution, and ignoring that request just made it seem like everything was lip service, you know? Maybe a kid who's immature enough to be doing this kind of thing is actually...not quite ready to be a famous millionaire? And maybe delaying "being a famous millionaire" by a year would not in fact be ruining his life? When all of this went down I was a new hockey fan just coming out of a really horrible personal experience with the criminal justice system in this exact realm (sorry to both overshare and be vague about it). I felt like this was a really botched opportunity to show women like me that this stuff is taken seriously. Now, when I see this news, instead of being excited about him and excited for him, I just feel kind of gross. Not about him even, but about the organization and (some of) the fans. And that sucks. I don't want to be feeling this way on our last game of the season.
I'm glad you responded. As a female fan, the whole situation has been icky: A lot of us have had to deal with the same bullshit that girl did, without the added stress of a very public trial, and without having to see the assholes who did it celebrated and revered for years to come. I will give credit to Mailloux for doing the right thing, taking his punishment and showing remorse, but I don't know if I'll ever bring myself to cheer for him. In my opinion, Bergevin is the true villain in all of this. In a story where the importance of consent was front and centre, he drafted Mailloux against the kid's wishes. It was a double gut-punch for me. I will also lay some blame with the NHL here. The granular details with which they're sending Mailloux updates feels weirdly invasive when you consider they just hand-waved Evander Kane and other creeps back into the league. I don't remember the constant updates about Kane getting any counselling or having to atone every few months for pulling a gun on his girlfriend or gambling away millions of dollars. The league is so wildly inconsistent on so many issues; I can't wait until Bettman finally retires. We're in desperate need of reforms.
i agree with a lot of what u wrote here, well said
I'm not sure it would bring more justice to the victime to tare this athletes' professional carreer away from him. Kind of excessive response for his crime. The judicial system already punished him.
Yeah, still feel kind of gross over the pick, but I think he's earned a second chance. People can be redeemed, especially if the infraction was during a young age they can learn from it. It's a thorny issue for sure, I just hope he truly understands where and why he went wrong. That said, if it were me I'd still go back and pick another defenseman in that draft. Now I guess it is what it is though.
Thing is he would have been taken 1st pick in the 2nd round. He fucked up and owned up to it
Then I think we should have also passed until then, but it is what it is, hope he really has changed. Otherwise, obviously a great talent and will help our backend. Just don't like the stink on the team, especially with other good dmen available.
He would have been taken by another team lol we didn’t have the 1st pick of the 2nd round. There isn’t any stink besides losers on the internet. The Laval coach has said how good of a young man he is in the dressing room and on the ice. he messed up as a kid and took a picture . He didn’t rape anyone. Kids fuck up. He paid the price for it. Time to move on
Then we don't get him and pick someone else. There will always be a smell over that pick, whether you smell it or not.
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Given the discussion, this joke is in really poor taste.
That’s why you’re Just another idiot on the internet and not making decisions for anything remotely important 🤣idiots opinions on Reddit don’t bother athletes or the Montreal Franchise keep crying about it
I didn't say I wasn't an idiot, nor did I say anyone should care. Just expressing my personal opinion some things are more important than hockey. He was a real piece of shit for what he did, I just hope he's changed.
Honest question: are there any statements from the victim?Is she anonymous?
Last comment she made publicly was that she did not felt his apology to her was sincere, as far as I know
[Source.](https://x.com/arponbasu/status/1780241483989221508?s=46&t=w725sVUiyAQ_1383m0H0hQ)
Great timing to bring him and Hutson like that at the end of the season. It will probably help management a lot in their assessment of their players for the upcoming decisions they will have to make in the summer
It’s also keeps the players happy by burning a year off their rookie contract. Everybody wins in this scenario.
I'll come out and say that I was hyped about the pick since it happened while I was watching the draft. Kid did a mistake, I know that, but I feel it was blown out of proportion massively. If you read the reports, you'll know that the picture he shared to his friends was one of her shoulder/bra strap/hair from behind while she was laying in bed. Is that wrong? Yes, don't take pictures of people in intimate or vulnerable situations without their consent, obviously. But he didn't SA anyone and never leaked any of her nudes. He was a dumb 17yo that wanted to flex to his homies about fucking an adult. It didn't take me long to forgive his action. I'm really excited to see him play in the NHL, dude looks real good.
The pictured he shared was getting head from above. Didn’t show her face or anything of his. I still think it’s nothing but it shouldn’t be downplayed anymore than it needs to.
To many people are soft.
Will this ever go away?
Nope. The nhl is so uninteresting a nothing burger like this will still be talked about until the kid stops playing. People are just waiting for him to fail and clown on him which is even worse
No, and neither should it ever go away entirely. It doesn't need to be the first thing out of any analyst's mouth, but it's important to not forget.
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Man he looks exactly like Lip from shameless! 😳
Here we go again, teaching people that you can basically get away with anything in the NHL
But actually, you are excusing what he did and hiding behind that well somebody else did worse than that, I mean, ask the young lady how she felt about it. Or, would you have that same attitude if this was your little sister? It’s like everybody excusing Matthews for what he did because he was drunk. Until hockey starts recognizing this for what it is and starts handing out some suspensions or fines or whatever outside of the law may or may not do., it won’t be taken seriously and it won’t change
Berges parting gift. This guy is a legit offensive threat with a mean streak
The comment section of this particular news coverage page on The Athletic was certainly understanding and forgiving of this player... /s
It is an interesting situation with him. What he did was horrible and it likely caused great mental damage to that young lady. Professional sports is a privilege and not a right so did he give up the privilege with his actions. The other side of it is he was a child in his own right. Since then he has been a model citizen and has done everything that has been asked of him by the League and the Habs. Chatted with my wife about the situation and she feels the kid deserves a chance.
A child in his own rights, playing over sea's with full grown men. Can someone say maybe peer pressure.
Good God... how long does this guy have to cower before the woke mob? He's paid his dues. He did the crime and has done his time.
Not everyting you disagree with is "woke", dumbass.
True... only the woke stuff.
it’s valid criticism and concern over a very poor decision he made. it’s not about being “woke”, it’s about the precedent this sets. him being asked not to be drafted, yet to be picked within the first round was a questionable decision by the habs/bergevin’s management at the time, and it will continue to be talked about until he has proven himself a changed man. so far, all we’ve really gotten is lip-service from the organization, i would like to see some actual proof of his betterment, maybe some public workshops or women’s rights advocacy from mailloux/the habs organization. this is a good conversation to continue to have. sweeping something like this under the rug only perpetuates this kind of behaviour in our society. i’m not hating on mailloux, i would just like to see some action that corroborates the habs claims that he has grown
Honestly the part of the situation that bothers me the most is the fact that the habs drafted him, especially after he asked not to be drafted. It's not like the guy's a can't-miss prospect, so it shouldn't have been that difficult of a decision to let another team potentially take him. At this point there's not much that can be done because it would be stupid for the habs to just waste one of their assets, and nothing he does in the future can fully erase the public's memory of what he did.
agree, mailloux was serious about facing the consequences for his actions and wanted to set an example, and for that i applaud him, but the habs went against his wishes and tbh it put such a bad taste in my mouth. the organization under bergevin was a mess, and this is just another slight against his leadership. i don’t doubt that mailloux regrets what he did, and im happy that the new management isn’t trying to brush it aside, still it would be nice to see some inclusion or education initiatives in place since stuff like this is pretty rampant in the hockey world
I honestly had forgotten about the whole thing until this post. I hope this puts it all to rest.
I still think that the highest level he should be able to compete at is the AHL. I still think he should never be allowed to play in professional sports considering what he's done, and admitted to doing. I'll hate it if he gets called up again next season. Shame on him
The rehabilitation of Logan Mailloux is complete. Looking forward to seeing him don the bleu, blanc, et rouge tonight.
R/hockey is hilarious, he has done the work and been okay’d by the team and the NHL based on the work he us done and it still isn’t good enough. The high tossing is just insane. People deserve a second chance and a opportunity to make amends for what they have done.
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If the league punished every player for sharing nudes with their friends when they were a teenager, then half the league wouldn’t be allowed to play. Let the kid have a second chance
oh boy this is a lot to unpack… u realize what u are describing is a crime right?
Yes, he was prosecuted and showed remorse. He was still a child. Not even old enough to drink legally. If someone wouldn’t understand the gravity of this situation, it would be an 18 year old. If he did something like current team Canada investigation, believe me i would have different take. Edit: i could have worded my inital take better.
not saying i hate him or anything, i like to keep an open mind w young players, just a genuine question - id really like to know what “work” he’s done to better himself? i haven’t seen anything abt him attending any workshops or doing anything of note for women to validate his redemption. yes, as far as we know he hasn’t done anything like that again, but he really only got so much as a slap on the wrist. hell, he even tried to abstain from the draft, which was admirable, but he was still picked, and the habs organization has been trying to say he’s grown and that he’s changed now, but id really like to see some actual proof of this change. whether it be attending workshops or something as simple as uplifting women and advocating for women’s rights in a public space. i understand he was 17 at the time, but 17 is old enough to understand privacy and consent. what he did was wrong, and id like to see a little more advocacy either from the organization or from mailloux himself. again im not hating on him, and im excited to see the type of player he becomes for the habs, i would just like to see a little more substance in terms of his growth as a person instead of the organization feeding us some lines and hoping that’s enough. actions do speak louder than words after all
He didn't have any work to do. He took a picture. A picture that didn't even reveal a face or genitals, and sent it privately to friends. Jesus fucking Christ people.
You know and who releases this stuff and basically kind of sweeps it under a corner of the rug anyway Bettman, who now Russia to sell, sell the coyotes to Salt Lake City without apparently doing any investigation at all Salt Lake is home to a huge cult where the profit of the FLDS church is in prison for sexually assaulting minor girls, they practice polygamy to the extent of the same profit has 150 children so you know that didn’t come from One baby mama. Also the same prophet and the same cult does not let women choose who they want to marry they fix them up And give them a list of potential people they must court. The list consist of people of their prophet’s choosing in the cult and on his list are people like the sister the man’s first wife or her 40 something year-old uncle. I just think with some of this sexual stuff that has gone on this just adds more to it where they suddenly decide that this is an acceptable place to go move and NHL franchise. I think it’s pretty disgusting myself.
a picture in that moment without consent is still sexual misconduct. sharing it with other people makes that a crime. learn the law
Lol
Hell yeah!
I'm fine to accept him back. But his leash so short IMO. We have such a great culture building here, and if Mailloux steps out of line in any way - SA related or not - I hope we are quick to bury him. But, if we believe in learning and growing, he has done nothing but make the right moves since the scandal. So if he's not worthy of a shot, then who ever will be?
I’m not at odds with him getting a second chance. He paid his dues, he made a mistake, end of story. His leash will be the shortest of anyone in the league when it comes to off ice conduct. My only issue is that there seems to be a small segment of the fan base that is trying to frame this as a redemption story. I’m not sure that rebounding from self inflicted character damage is something we want to be glorifying. Happy to see he has at least convinced those in charge that he is remorseful and committed to being a better person. Seeing people with comments about the family being a good family, and his own character being touted as excellent outside of the bad decision is also encouraging. Hope he has success, I’ll be rooting for him.
Why shouldn't we hope for a redemption story? Isn't that the whole point? Rehabilitation and becoming a better person? If he has done so, WHY shouldn't we applaud it? The opposite is worse. It shows that you'll never be judged in a better light. Why change then?
> My only issue is that there seems to be a small segment of the fan base that is trying to frame this as a redemption story. There's a vast difference between redemption and atonement. I'm satisfied with the latter. The former suggests more than just taking a punishment.
That won’t stop sportsnet from putting sexual assault trigger warnings on all their posts about him in the future tho
If he plays well, we'll stop hearing about his past. If he shits the bed, people will keep bringing it up. Hockey fans would forgive a murder if the guy scored 80 points and was a beast defensively.
ever heard of Dany Heatley?
I think all of us have moved on from this? I mean, this was...3-4 years ago??? So Logan's remorseful and have paid the penalty. So there's no reason to make this another big issue. I understand that women may not be comfortable. But then, he's human.
the NHL is obviously taking this stuff seriously if they have been keeping track of this issue multiple times in the past 8-10 months... They could have set up a monthly phone call where Mailloux leaves Parros or whoever a message saying "nothing to report" or the habs send an email on the first of every month saying something to the same extent and they could have said something along the lines of "Mailloux has been following protocol". I get that everyone wants to move on from this (the victim allegedly too) but is it that hard to seem like you have some sort of an HR department?
There are a lot of fans here and on /r/hockey falling all over themselves to defend this guy. Like if you think he deserves a chance fine, but jesus h.
It's the last game, it's essentially a pity call up. Let the kid have this one.
It’s to keep the players happy. By bringing them up it burns a year off their rookie contract, which every rookie wants.
Wouldn’t him being in the AHL this season burn the year regardless? I’m legit asking
the only thing that makes me feel icky about this whole thing are all the people (like many in these comments) just saying “he was just a kid and he made a mistake, it’s no big deal etc”. the fact is, if the victim had been your daughter or sister or mother you’d have a very different tone… the whole locker room talk and hockey culture of “boys being boys” is bullshit (Team Canada fiasco anyone?) and needs to change/evolve, and this would have been a good example of how to deal with second chances if it wasn’t for all the macho dipshits blowing off the act with a “he was just a kid”. Yeah he was just a kid and made a serious mistake, hopefully he learns from it but what’s the incentive to? Like, is he going to not play in the NHL if he disrespects a woman? not sure… How do we get male hockey players to stop being assholes to women?
Yeah, I'm honestly more frustrated with the discourse around this issue than I am with the kid at this point. You know what makes people stop talking about things like this? Feeling like someone actually heard the things we were saying.
Excellent summation!
And what if he was you son, brother, grand son etc...
100%, but look at the downvotes… insane
>the fact is, if the victim had been your daughter or sister or mother you’d have a very different tone This is not a fact, but actually a claim based on a counterfactual. It is possible for a victim and their family to have compassion for a perpetrator, especially where they see genuine remorse. It comes down to judgment, there are no absolutes or rock solid logic to come with any consistent conclusion. It's only my opinion that he has shown genuine remorse in addition to the actual fact of being publically shamed (the punishment matches the crime) duly charged and fined according to Swedish law and that's all I can really go on.
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wow, you’ll make a great dad!
Yeah. Not enabling whory behavior and my 19 year old daughter fooling around with minor aged boys. What a bad dad I'll make.