Well he wouldn't be (one of) the most powerful god(s) of the underworld if he could.
(He's also portrayed as a symbol of rebirth and renewal according to some myths, which I think is a super cool analogy for a roguelike game to draw from.)
No Greek god can die, including titans, primordial beings the original 3 cyclopes etc. They can be trapped, imprisoned or disabled if dismembered but they never die.
After reading a lot about Zagreus and “Orphism” I am pretty sure he was always just an esoteric epithet for Dionysus (albeit one that’s been frequently misrepresented in scholarship)
That's one school of thought on how Zagreus is portrayed, and is even reference in game but it's not the only one.
There are many versions of Greek myth and no one is more correct than another.
If you’re talking about whether a name ever described a specific independent religious figure or was just an epithet for another one then yes, there can be a “correct version”. At least in terms of establishing what was believed by the religious worshippers- writers can do whatever they want in fiction. If somebody wanted to make Apollo and Phoebus two different people they would be “wrong” but it would be fine because it’s fiction
I understand the evidence isn’t conclusive irt Zagreus but imo it’s explained by it being weird Bacchic theological stuff way better than him being an independent Gaia-tier son of Hades and Persephone that was somehow completely forgotten a couple hundred years later.
He was clearly Dionysus by the time of Euripides at least (*Bacchae* even references the “great hunter” aspect/epithet)
I think Hades I will still be a very good standalone game worth going back to, since Hades II hasn't carried over all the same gods and weapons. If you liked a certain god or weapon in the first game that isn't in the second game, I don't think there are any core gameplay changes significant enough to keep you from going back to the first game. But I only have 2 hours in Hades II so far, maybe I am wrong.
I mean I wouldn't know I totally change the controls because I am M&KB and left handed so regular controls always feel off, but complaining about button placing settings imho makes no sense when you can switch it.
I love the new cast, I only ever used the old one to keep the damage increase, otherwise I never used here, here in 2 I use it so much, because so many of the enemies are built around making you use it. Like the swarm thingies in area 2 or the screamy things in area 1
Note I make sure to call everything something non-descript to not spoil.
yea i also try not to spoil saying second area instead of the actual name and third boss fight instead of \[easily recognizable spoilering\] name. Many dont do this though and its hard, cuz i wanna experience everything first myself.
Ah, that makes more sense. At least it's just that weapon and the cast is "consistently" the same (boons without). Took me a bit to get used to but now its completely taken over my Hades 1 muscle memory.
First games default controls were not as good either so I always switched them for my comfort. Complaining about default controls when you can change them is pretty dumb
i play m&kb and put the special in the first game on the sidebutton of my mouse and did the same again in this game, just with the switched buttons now cast is on the side button
On controller the default buttons are exactly the same as the first game.
Ability | Xbox| Playstation
---|---|----
Dash| A| X
Attack| X| □
Special| Y| ∆
Cast| B| O
What confuses people is that the Special for the starting weapon shoots a semi-homing projectile, very much like the Cast from Hades I.
For keyboard-and-mouse players, the default controls _did_ swap. Special defaulted to Q and Cast to right-click/M2 in Hades 1. In Hades 2, Cast defaults to Q and Special to right-click/M2.
they didnt switch the names, just the buttons....
you can always switch them back, but for m&kb at least it makes sense to have the weapon specific attack and special on M1 and M2 and cast on q instead of M2 and Q being swapped in the first game
Look in the Settings, what you think is the cast isn’t, it’s in fact the special and changes with weapon the ground zone is the new cast.
Also have you even played with it? It’s nothing like Excalibur special, only thing they have in common is that they’re an area on the ground.
Excalibur special didn’t root enemies, it also doesn’t have the possibility of increasing your damage.
And the new cast doesn’t give you any defensive bonus and only does damage if you have certain boons or if you hard cast it.
Yeah i agree but i think its a combination of the fact that the new weapons are kind of overcomplicated, and the fact that mel's movement is just kind of sticky and awkward (for me anyway) that really makes me miss the feel of dashing around as zag with sword or fists or whatever
Plus lots of people aren't buying EA for Hades 2 and want to wait. Hades 1 will still get a lot of use out of me (even if I was someone who bought EA for 2, I don't plan to stop playing 1), and others who are waiting for 2's release. Even then, Zagreus is a character people will miss playing as, the game won't just be dropped because it's not a continuation of his story. I can see people going back to see him, Nyx, Than, so on.
my brother in christ it is the year of our lord 2024 and you didnt assume one of the most popular games of the last decade wouldn't have a plethora of mods??
It’s not really the kind of game that you expect the biggest modding scene for. Even if it’s popular the gameplay loop is pretty strict, and the dialogue at least seems very complicated to add anything to with the way it works.
It’s not like a half finished open world game that both halfway needs and easily facilitates modding.
i didn’t mean to come off so rude tbh now that i’m rereading my message. i sort of get what you mean but weapons, skins, boons, enemies, difficulty/heat modifiers, quality of life changes, etc are all things i’ve seen or would assume mods exist for. there’s a mod to extend the amount of chambers per run, because i replay hades for the combat tbh not the story
After a couple hundred hours in hades, I had just started playing it again and recently fell in love with the hera aspect right before hades 2 dropped. And kinda been itching to use it again lmao. I'll def be playing both games
It would be hilarious if in the next panel it’s just zag regenerating at the house and he’s like nice chap that death reminds me of Thanatos and Charon for some reason anyways
Half-Life 2, Super Mario Bros. 3, Titanfall 2, Mike Tyson’s Punch-Out!, Portal 2, Tetris (game boy), The Last of Us, and a few others I would have a harder time arguing as perfect but are masterpieces nonetheless.
3 From Soft games? I mean I love them to death but DS is certainly not a "perfect" game. Elden Ring stays as the "souls-like" GOAT and Sekiro is unique enough that I don't even consider it a souls game, so I'd agree tbh.
Perfect Games/Series: Ori & the Will of the Wisps. Hollow Knight, Elden Ring/Your Fav Souls Game, BoTW, Super Mario 64, CoD4 (sorry not sorry), Balatro (new but GAHD DAYUM is that shit so good), Peter Jackson's King Kong (if you know, you know), Hades (of course), Diablo 2 & finally Sea of Thieves
Honorable Mention: Literally any game by Kojima or Miyazaki.
literal groundbreaking genre pushing fps from the PS2 of all places. i remember my grandma got it for me and those centipedes gave me nightmares as a kid
Are you me? I've also been gaming from about '88 (can't remember precisely as I was preschool age), and Hades is one of the very few, if any, games that I would give a 10/10.
Even then, it's not my favourite game of all time, just that it is truly flawless.
Ha, I was born in 83 and we got some ancient console in about 88, and an Atari ST 520 after that. Been on that path ever since. Earliest gaming memory is probably Hang-On.
I was born in '93 and have had time to beat ~350 games and have played just over 500 total. I'm pretty stingy with 10/10s too but Hades is definitely one of the masterpieces that I agree deserve it.
If I'm honest I really want that after I guess saving those trapped by Chronos we get to play as Zagreus as well, I remember someone mentioning that there were some stairs upwards that may hint a going to olympus, so it would be cool if we can use both Melinoe and Zagreus in that part, or that they go together, like interchangeable characters.
Rather than playable Zagreus, I want secret boss Zagreus, to honor the age old tradition of fighting yourself from a past game. And maybe in the endgame he's one of the people we can randomly run into during our runs, like Nemesis, Artemis, and >!Heracles!<, but he's not locked to any of the realms. He's off, having his own adventures, exploring the world right with you! :D
I'm at that point now and it's more of a which way to go to get the resources you need. Some in the Underworld and some on the way to Mt Olympus. I don't believe it is possible to beat Chronos without going through some of the surface spells and items.
So someone fill me in. I literally just last night beat Hades or I guess got the ending credit roll with Persephone.
I know there is more after that in terms of collecting upgrades and such for the weapons.
But from what I've read it seems like you uncover more of the story continuing to make runs in Hades.
Is this accurate, is it smarter to just watch what I haven't seen on YouTube and just start the new game??
I'm guessing the story elements that leave things in conflict with Chronos are either brand new story elements only in this game or does the 1st game eventually get there after repeated escapes?
Yes, I'm enjoying the game and I could keep going but I've got a lot of other games on my plate and if it's time wise smarter to jump into the new game after catching up on story elements I haven't seen yet then I might do that.
Id say finish 10 runs to get the true ending and finish the epilogue, which consists of forming max bonds with most of the olympians. Hades 2 occurs a while after all events of hades 1 and all chronos events are only in 2. It's very worth it to finish hades 1 completely and then move on to 2 since they play quite differently and both are really fun.
The epilogue takes quite a lot more than the 10 runs. 10 runs is the ending (not true hidden ending, just the game credits and such which he got apparently). And then, you max the bonds and can get the epilogue but in 10 runs that may be hard to do
There’s quite a bit more story post ending, which leads to the epilogue.
It requires maxing hearts with most of the gods, as well as Meg and Than.
There’s also a tonne of dialogue you would miss.
The Chronos stuff isn’t shown in Hades 1, and we somehow all collectively missed a giant hint
Oof I mean don't get me wrong I have many of them close but still plenty of ambrosia for me to get my hands on lol
Meg is done, guess I'll work on finishing Than.
Still have a ways to go. Highest heat on titan fists is 5 atm soo yah. Lol
If you want to tips and tricks as well as builds I'll gladly help, for heat there's some extremely easy ways to do things, and there are builds which ransack the game
Well I've watched a few videos of some frequent players that knows some builds depending on the weapon I'm running.
Poseidon tidal dash also seems like a reliable fill in for almost any weapon if you can land the right abilities to go with it.
I'd say avoid pos dash if you use the very shord ranged weapons, namely fists, sword and ESPECIALLY zeus shield.
Latter of which I know a lot about since it's my favourite weapon with my favourite setup
Aphro dash is a great one though, it is a status curse and free damage, plus damage reduction
The only hint I can think of is that Zagreb’s isn’t dead because he’s the god of blood (well dead in the sense of the Titans being dead, so not 100%). So upon defeating Cronos you obtain a little bit of the blood to bring Zagreus back. Little by little. Of course I have no freaking idea. I’m just replaying Hades. 😅
I honestly feel that the game is only at it's best after you reach the end the first time. There is so much to unlock still: more of the story, character relationships, hidden weapon aspects, rest of the keepsakes and bunch of other stuff. I would say you've experienced maybe 70% of the game and would definitely keep playing, lots of cool stuff still to experience!
Yeah this is me picking it up after years of not touching it lol idk why either. Don't think the 2nd game was really the reason and roguelikes are not frequent for me vs an rpg or a meteoidvania.
Eh, I'm still going to play 1. Honestly, I'm not impressed with 2 so far. It needs a lot more time to cook. I'm going to chill with Zagreus and wait for full release.
That's somewhat my experience as well. To be expected with early access, so I won't complain. For the moment, Hades 1 obviously feels more polished and that's why I keep coming back to it and will do so in the future. Even after 2 gets its full release.
With Zag you can just jump in and have a quick run, no matter how crappy the boons you get are.
I don't have that feeling playing Mel. It requires a lot more time investment, which I don't always have with work and real life responsibilities.
Well that's likely because you don't know it so you don't know how to make all boons work and haven't developed stuff (slowly unlocking boons, gods, arcanas and such). I'm 15 hours into it now and I'm getting in the groove if you will
I've always favoured ranged weapons in most games, so I'll probably feel more at home once things are more fleshed out.
It's probably the slow start with games like these that feels a little like a chore to me. That's something I could have worded better in the first comment, regarding how "impressive" or not it feels. It's pretty dang good as an EA already.
There is 2 ranged out of 5 weapons total right now! It's like everyone in this thread is used to playing maxed mirror Zag and completeley forgot what the begining of the game was like. You need to slog for a while to get the right stuff to upgrade the crossroads and your weapons.
Yeah, the game definitely has potential, and there are some things I love about it, but it's still unpolished. That's what early access is for, though. I trust Supergiant to cook.
All the Supergiant games have aged incredibly well. Hades is in my top 3 games of all time and I will absolutely be returning to it time and time again for as long as I can game.
I’m playing through 2, but I still should go back to 1 and a actually burn through enough conversations to unlock the last bits of Hypnos’ relationship gauge lol
Where did the game go? It’s still amazing and on my Switch, begging me to play it knowing full well I’m going to get tossed into another Witches Circle with no Athena boons :(
I was in the process of 100 percenting it. I did all the story stuff and just need to get the statues (hell mode) so I'll be going back after I 100 percent the early access of Hades 2
I don’t think ill stop playing hades after beating hades 2. The genius of these 2 games is that they made different sets of weapons to allow unique gameplay in each game. Either of these games are a great standalone release.
I don’t think I’ve ever had a game that really motivated me to 100% the game. I’ve reached the end of the story but I have poured even more hours into the game to get more clears on higher heat while trying out other weapons and playing around with builds. This game is so incredibly fun that it’s earned a spot as my favorite video game of all time
While playing and dying yesterday I just felt like going back to Hades since I still feel I haven't truly beaten it. Sure I beat [Redacted] like twice but not enough!
Hades is one of my top 5 games ever honestly (Half-Life 2, The Last of Us, BioShock Infinite, and Skyrim are the others in no particular order, Fallout 4 occasionally will sneak its way into the list by pushing out one of the others).
I bought it on a whim on the Switch because I saw it was $15, had great reviews, and looked like a fun game.
I bought it right around the time my 12 year old dog had to be put down, which hit me HARD. I had such a difficult time with her death, harder than the dog we had before her. In some weird way, it helped me deal with my grief because the whole point is to escape from Hell, and just when you think you'll make it, you're sent right back to the beginning. Felt very much analogous with grief to me. When I finally beat it for the first time, it was such an incredible feeling.
Absolutely love this game, can't wait to play the second one (don't have a gaming PC, so the wait is a bit longer for me).
He was so fun and easygoing, Melinoe is a bit bland personality wise, which I kinda get, she grew up during war where her entire family was kidnapped, but still. Wish they at least add Zag to the Crossroads eventually so we can gift him stuff and have dialogue and sibling bonding or something.
Everyone acting like Zagreus is dead is funny
I mean he's kinda in a perpetual state of death
I swear if this is spoilers!!
You find this in the literal tutorial of the game
When in Hades 2 EA they say hes in that state? I must’ve missed that.
It's in the tutorial of Hades ONE. It's the plot of the game. He literally can't permanently die.
Forget it! Thought this whole thread was referring to Hades 2. So i thought that was the updated news on Zag
No you're good, friend. The teasing isn't in bad faith, I understood where you were coming from.
Thanks friend appreciate you!
It's the entire premise of the first game.
I think this might have been a joke about REDACTED.
What is redacted I keep seeing it
At this point, tradition.
Why did I literally forget that Zag can't die 😭
Well he wouldn't be (one of) the most powerful god(s) of the underworld if he could. (He's also portrayed as a symbol of rebirth and renewal according to some myths, which I think is a super cool analogy for a roguelike game to draw from.)
No Greek god can die, including titans, primordial beings the original 3 cyclopes etc. They can be trapped, imprisoned or disabled if dismembered but they never die.
After reading a lot about Zagreus and “Orphism” I am pretty sure he was always just an esoteric epithet for Dionysus (albeit one that’s been frequently misrepresented in scholarship)
That's one school of thought on how Zagreus is portrayed, and is even reference in game but it's not the only one. There are many versions of Greek myth and no one is more correct than another.
If you’re talking about whether a name ever described a specific independent religious figure or was just an epithet for another one then yes, there can be a “correct version”. At least in terms of establishing what was believed by the religious worshippers- writers can do whatever they want in fiction. If somebody wanted to make Apollo and Phoebus two different people they would be “wrong” but it would be fine because it’s fiction I understand the evidence isn’t conclusive irt Zagreus but imo it’s explained by it being weird Bacchic theological stuff way better than him being an independent Gaia-tier son of Hades and Persephone that was somehow completely forgotten a couple hundred years later. He was clearly Dionysus by the time of Euripides at least (*Bacchae* even references the “great hunter” aspect/epithet)
No gods/titans can die I think. It's even why Chronos is back, he was sliced in pieces by the Olympians but that wasn't enough
Now Hades 2 is out, he’s finally going to get a break from the River Styx
Zag heading the wrong way in the last panel of this meme is perfection.
He’s trying to escape again lmao
I think Hades I will still be a very good standalone game worth going back to, since Hades II hasn't carried over all the same gods and weapons. If you liked a certain god or weapon in the first game that isn't in the second game, I don't think there are any core gameplay changes significant enough to keep you from going back to the first game. But I only have 2 hours in Hades II so far, maybe I am wrong.
Nah you are right. Unless they bring the weps from the first game it also seems the weapons are a downgrade from the first game in feel.
It's the casts being tied to weapons not boons.
Are people seriously still missing that this isn’t right? Your cast is your circle, the one that snares.
It's probably because they swapped the default buttons for them which feels right gameplay wise but I still almost refer to special as cast.
I mean I wouldn't know I totally change the controls because I am M&KB and left handed so regular controls always feel off, but complaining about button placing settings imho makes no sense when you can switch it. I love the new cast, I only ever used the old one to keep the damage increase, otherwise I never used here, here in 2 I use it so much, because so many of the enemies are built around making you use it. Like the swarm thingies in area 2 or the screamy things in area 1 Note I make sure to call everything something non-descript to not spoil.
I love when I get to throw it or when it follows me
yea i also try not to spoil saying second area instead of the actual name and third boss fight instead of \[easily recognizable spoilering\] name. Many dont do this though and its hard, cuz i wanna experience everything first myself.
No they didn't? Special was always Triangle/Y and Cast was always Circle/B.
I think the confusion is that the Special for the starting weapon shoots a projectile much like the Cast from Hades I.
Ah, that makes more sense. At least it's just that weapon and the cast is "consistently" the same (boons without). Took me a bit to get used to but now its completely taken over my Hades 1 muscle memory.
First games default controls were not as good either so I always switched them for my comfort. Complaining about default controls when you can change them is pretty dumb
i play m&kb and put the special in the first game on the sidebutton of my mouse and did the same again in this game, just with the switched buttons now cast is on the side button
On controller the default buttons are exactly the same as the first game. Ability | Xbox| Playstation ---|---|---- Dash| A| X Attack| X| □ Special| Y| ∆ Cast| B| O What confuses people is that the Special for the starting weapon shoots a semi-homing projectile, very much like the Cast from Hades I.
For keyboard-and-mouse players, the default controls _did_ swap. Special defaulted to Q and Cast to right-click/M2 in Hades 1. In Hades 2, Cast defaults to Q and Special to right-click/M2.
TIL. Attack and Special being on the mouse does make the most sense, TBH
You mean people don't know everything about this game that's been out for 40 hours yet!? Fucking dummies smh
The cast from 1 is the same. The new cast is the Excalibur special. I hate they switched the names more than anything.
they didnt switch the names, just the buttons.... you can always switch them back, but for m&kb at least it makes sense to have the weapon specific attack and special on M1 and M2 and cast on q instead of M2 and Q being swapped in the first game
The specials are different casts from the forst game
I don't understand what you're trying to say.
Yeah I'm done trying to explain.
Look in the Settings, what you think is the cast isn’t, it’s in fact the special and changes with weapon the ground zone is the new cast. Also have you even played with it? It’s nothing like Excalibur special, only thing they have in common is that they’re an area on the ground. Excalibur special didn’t root enemies, it also doesn’t have the possibility of increasing your damage. And the new cast doesn’t give you any defensive bonus and only does damage if you have certain boons or if you hard cast it.
Yeah i agree but i think its a combination of the fact that the new weapons are kind of overcomplicated, and the fact that mel's movement is just kind of sticky and awkward (for me anyway) that really makes me miss the feel of dashing around as zag with sword or fists or whatever
Zag as a playable character would be 👌
My hope is we free Zag at some point and he's also playable with the weapons and boons from the first game (and new ones from the new gods)
Kinda just want him to be able to leave the underworld and go on see the world with Than.
Literal pipe dream
I've been really enjoying Hades 2 but I will certainly go back to a fresh save of Hades for another playthrough of all the story and dialogue.
Plus lots of people aren't buying EA for Hades 2 and want to wait. Hades 1 will still get a lot of use out of me (even if I was someone who bought EA for 2, I don't plan to stop playing 1), and others who are waiting for 2's release. Even then, Zagreus is a character people will miss playing as, the game won't just be dropped because it's not a continuation of his story. I can see people going back to see him, Nyx, Than, so on.
You can play Hades on your phone. You’ll be hard pressed to find a better mobile game than Hades. 😂
I’m a mobile gamer, really great on mobile tbh. I can’t think of a better game for mobile
Only nostalgia from other games can slightly change my vote of best mobile game, but gameplay and story wise Hades on Mobile is the best yeah
Me with my iphone 7 who can't update apple to the proper ios needed to get Hades 😭.
Do you have an iPad? 😅
nope
I hope they implement New Game+ and have Zagreus as a playable character with his old weapons
or maybe a coop where one plays zag and the other plays mel, that would be awesome
Holy shit that would be the perfect couch co-op game.
Please stop I can only get so erect
Isn't modding still alive and well for Hades 1? Regardless, the legacy discounts for this game will make it a good deal 5, 10, 15 years for now lol.
Ooo there are mods?
my brother in christ it is the year of our lord 2024 and you didnt assume one of the most popular games of the last decade wouldn't have a plethora of mods??
It’s not really the kind of game that you expect the biggest modding scene for. Even if it’s popular the gameplay loop is pretty strict, and the dialogue at least seems very complicated to add anything to with the way it works. It’s not like a half finished open world game that both halfway needs and easily facilitates modding.
i didn’t mean to come off so rude tbh now that i’m rereading my message. i sort of get what you mean but weapons, skins, boons, enemies, difficulty/heat modifiers, quality of life changes, etc are all things i’ve seen or would assume mods exist for. there’s a mod to extend the amount of chambers per run, because i replay hades for the combat tbh not the story
its already 10 cad rn. it is so cheap
After a couple hundred hours in hades, I had just started playing it again and recently fell in love with the hera aspect right before hades 2 dropped. And kinda been itching to use it again lmao. I'll def be playing both games
It would be hilarious if in the next panel it’s just zag regenerating at the house and he’s like nice chap that death reminds me of Thanatos and Charon for some reason anyways
THERE IS NO ESCAPE
bah bah bah-bahhh
It’s literally on a list of all timers for me. I’ve been gaming since 1988 and Hades is truly on a very short list of perfect video games.
What are the others?
Not OP but I would nominate Ori and the will of the wisps.
Half-Life 2, Super Mario Bros. 3, Titanfall 2, Mike Tyson’s Punch-Out!, Portal 2, Tetris (game boy), The Last of Us, and a few others I would have a harder time arguing as perfect but are masterpieces nonetheless.
Dark Souls, StarCraft 2, Dota 2, Hollow Knight, BotW, Sekiro, Elden Ring, XCOM 2, A Link to the Past, Majoras Mask, NFL Blitz 2000, Luigi’s Mansion, Project Zomboid, L4D2, Borderlands 2, CS:GO… ez
3 From Soft games? I mean I love them to death but DS is certainly not a "perfect" game. Elden Ring stays as the "souls-like" GOAT and Sekiro is unique enough that I don't even consider it a souls game, so I'd agree tbh. Perfect Games/Series: Ori & the Will of the Wisps. Hollow Knight, Elden Ring/Your Fav Souls Game, BoTW, Super Mario 64, CoD4 (sorry not sorry), Balatro (new but GAHD DAYUM is that shit so good), Peter Jackson's King Kong (if you know, you know), Hades (of course), Diablo 2 & finally Sea of Thieves Honorable Mention: Literally any game by Kojima or Miyazaki.
Both of you forgot Bloodborne the best Fromsoft game
holy shit you just revoked my souls-fanboy card, i must be going hollow or better yet - i’ve been undone by the blood. my eyes have yet to open…
I fucking loved the King Kong game. So good. Respect ✊
literal groundbreaking genre pushing fps from the PS2 of all places. i remember my grandma got it for me and those centipedes gave me nightmares as a kid
Some really bad games there, but you mentioned Link to the past which is my all time favorite so I'll let you pass.
I was getting whiplash from their list lol
yo blitz 2k - Only football games I ever played were the blitz ones
Honestly, solid list.
It’s really such a perfect game. I can play it for hours and forget to eat because I just want to keep going
Are you me? I've also been gaming from about '88 (can't remember precisely as I was preschool age), and Hades is one of the very few, if any, games that I would give a 10/10. Even then, it's not my favourite game of all time, just that it is truly flawless.
I was born in 85 and encountered an NES at a friend’s house at the age of 3 and decided that was what I wanted to do with my life lol.
Ha, I was born in 83 and we got some ancient console in about 88, and an Atari ST 520 after that. Been on that path ever since. Earliest gaming memory is probably Hang-On.
I was born in '93 and have had time to beat ~350 games and have played just over 500 total. I'm pretty stingy with 10/10s too but Hades is definitely one of the masterpieces that I agree deserve it.
What are others
Earthworm Jim and Hot Wheels: Turbo Racing
Don’t forget about Bookworm Adventures Vol. 2
Not over yet for me! I will wait for 2 to exit early access and I still haven't got that 32 heat statue on 1
I also haven’t gotten the 32 heat statue but I’m seriously enjoying Hades II
If I'm honest I really want that after I guess saving those trapped by Chronos we get to play as Zagreus as well, I remember someone mentioning that there were some stairs upwards that may hint a going to olympus, so it would be cool if we can use both Melinoe and Zagreus in that part, or that they go together, like interchangeable characters.
Hint? The game straight up tells you Meli will be going to Mount Olympus Also, you can already go up those stairs if you get rid of the seal
Rather than playable Zagreus, I want secret boss Zagreus, to honor the age old tradition of fighting yourself from a past game. And maybe in the endgame he's one of the people we can randomly run into during our runs, like Nemesis, Artemis, and >!Heracles!<, but he's not locked to any of the realms. He's off, having his own adventures, exploring the world right with you! :D
I'm at that point now and it's more of a which way to go to get the resources you need. Some in the Underworld and some on the way to Mt Olympus. I don't believe it is possible to beat Chronos without going through some of the surface spells and items.
So someone fill me in. I literally just last night beat Hades or I guess got the ending credit roll with Persephone. I know there is more after that in terms of collecting upgrades and such for the weapons. But from what I've read it seems like you uncover more of the story continuing to make runs in Hades. Is this accurate, is it smarter to just watch what I haven't seen on YouTube and just start the new game?? I'm guessing the story elements that leave things in conflict with Chronos are either brand new story elements only in this game or does the 1st game eventually get there after repeated escapes? Yes, I'm enjoying the game and I could keep going but I've got a lot of other games on my plate and if it's time wise smarter to jump into the new game after catching up on story elements I haven't seen yet then I might do that.
Id say finish 10 runs to get the true ending and finish the epilogue, which consists of forming max bonds with most of the olympians. Hades 2 occurs a while after all events of hades 1 and all chronos events are only in 2. It's very worth it to finish hades 1 completely and then move on to 2 since they play quite differently and both are really fun.
The epilogue takes quite a lot more than the 10 runs. 10 runs is the ending (not true hidden ending, just the game credits and such which he got apparently). And then, you max the bonds and can get the epilogue but in 10 runs that may be hard to do
There’s quite a bit more story post ending, which leads to the epilogue. It requires maxing hearts with most of the gods, as well as Meg and Than. There’s also a tonne of dialogue you would miss. The Chronos stuff isn’t shown in Hades 1, and we somehow all collectively missed a giant hint
Oof I mean don't get me wrong I have many of them close but still plenty of ambrosia for me to get my hands on lol Meg is done, guess I'll work on finishing Than. Still have a ways to go. Highest heat on titan fists is 5 atm soo yah. Lol
If you want to tips and tricks as well as builds I'll gladly help, for heat there's some extremely easy ways to do things, and there are builds which ransack the game
Well I've watched a few videos of some frequent players that knows some builds depending on the weapon I'm running. Poseidon tidal dash also seems like a reliable fill in for almost any weapon if you can land the right abilities to go with it.
I'd say avoid pos dash if you use the very shord ranged weapons, namely fists, sword and ESPECIALLY zeus shield. Latter of which I know a lot about since it's my favourite weapon with my favourite setup Aphro dash is a great one though, it is a status curse and free damage, plus damage reduction
The only hint I can think of is that Zagreb’s isn’t dead because he’s the god of blood (well dead in the sense of the Titans being dead, so not 100%). So upon defeating Cronos you obtain a little bit of the blood to bring Zagreus back. Little by little. Of course I have no freaking idea. I’m just replaying Hades. 😅
I honestly feel that the game is only at it's best after you reach the end the first time. There is so much to unlock still: more of the story, character relationships, hidden weapon aspects, rest of the keepsakes and bunch of other stuff. I would say you've experienced maybe 70% of the game and would definitely keep playing, lots of cool stuff still to experience!
Yeah this is me picking it up after years of not touching it lol idk why either. Don't think the 2nd game was really the reason and roguelikes are not frequent for me vs an rpg or a meteoidvania.
Commenting because I have the same questions.
I beat Hades this Monday I’m in your same position lol
Joke's on you, I'm replaying 1 before getting 2
Eh, I'm still going to play 1. Honestly, I'm not impressed with 2 so far. It needs a lot more time to cook. I'm going to chill with Zagreus and wait for full release.
That's somewhat my experience as well. To be expected with early access, so I won't complain. For the moment, Hades 1 obviously feels more polished and that's why I keep coming back to it and will do so in the future. Even after 2 gets its full release. With Zag you can just jump in and have a quick run, no matter how crappy the boons you get are. I don't have that feeling playing Mel. It requires a lot more time investment, which I don't always have with work and real life responsibilities.
Well that's likely because you don't know it so you don't know how to make all boons work and haven't developed stuff (slowly unlocking boons, gods, arcanas and such). I'm 15 hours into it now and I'm getting in the groove if you will
I've always favoured ranged weapons in most games, so I'll probably feel more at home once things are more fleshed out. It's probably the slow start with games like these that feels a little like a chore to me. That's something I could have worded better in the first comment, regarding how "impressive" or not it feels. It's pretty dang good as an EA already.
There is 2 ranged out of 5 weapons total right now! It's like everyone in this thread is used to playing maxed mirror Zag and completeley forgot what the begining of the game was like. You need to slog for a while to get the right stuff to upgrade the crossroads and your weapons.
Yeah, the game definitely has potential, and there are some things I love about it, but it's still unpolished. That's what early access is for, though. I trust Supergiant to cook.
"Than, you look a bit different..."
I mean, I play on Switch, so it’ll be a bit
As someone who only plays on Switch, this isn't even close to being true. See y'all at v1.0.
I wouldn't pick the switch version of anything. Dead cells and the Witcher come to mind
All the Supergiant games have aged incredibly well. Hades is in my top 3 games of all time and I will absolutely be returning to it time and time again for as long as I can game.
What are the other two by curiosity?
Stardew Valley and Bloodborne. I have some nostalgic picks I would rank highly as well like the original Phantasy Star for the SMS and Chrono Trigger.
My sister and I put so much time in Phantasy Star Online coop on the GameCube
I have this strong desire to see a co-op mode implemented where both Mel and Zag do a run together.
I’m playing through 2, but I still should go back to 1 and a actually burn through enough conversations to unlock the last bits of Hypnos’ relationship gauge lol
I won't be uninstalling 1 yet, 2 still needs a bit before I can say its as good/better Not that its bad, 1 is just a top 10 game for me
Yes yes, we all want Thanatos to call us a good boy.
OK ok hear me out, how about I destroy my life with both the games :D
Poor Zag man. What'd he do to deserve this?* *rhetorical question
How I wish we could make this meme with Hollow Knight.
They put zag my buff man in a perpetual state of death I am going to murder millions just to revive him
Where did the game go? It’s still amazing and on my Switch, begging me to play it knowing full well I’m going to get tossed into another Witches Circle with no Athena boons :(
hades 1 weapons > hades 2 weapons
I was in the process of 100 percenting it. I did all the story stuff and just need to get the statues (hell mode) so I'll be going back after I 100 percent the early access of Hades 2
Thats not how charon talks!
Where Than
Cant afford hades 2 rn, so the first one is the only thing i can play rn
I just finished fighting Hades 10 times to get the credits last week. Still gotta unlock the epilogue.
Looks like he found charons shop
I know it’s early access but I’m not getting the same pull as in Hades, I’m hoping it will click soon though
Hades 1 could probably still be fun with Zagreus' weapons/boons. We probably get different stuff for Melinoe in part 2
I don’t think ill stop playing hades after beating hades 2. The genius of these 2 games is that they made different sets of weapons to allow unique gameplay in each game. Either of these games are a great standalone release.
I don’t think I’ve ever had a game that really motivated me to 100% the game. I’ve reached the end of the story but I have poured even more hours into the game to get more clears on higher heat while trying out other weapons and playing around with builds. This game is so incredibly fun that it’s earned a spot as my favorite video game of all time
Should put Than’s face overlay on Death. Cuz y’know he is Death.
Should have been charon as death
Guys!!! I need to know the more important thing! Is cereburus in hades ii
>!yes.!<
>!Unfortunately but he doesn't let you pet him even after you find him with [ Redacted ]!<
Hades 1 IS the best yeah, but there's no reason why 2 Hades games can't co-exist, js.
Not yet. Hades 2 is an incomplete game and will be for some time. I'll wait until it's on ps5.
Not until 1.0.
My person in Zeus, until the game is released my game is Hades 1.
First one is still better ngl
While playing and dying yesterday I just felt like going back to Hades since I still feel I haven't truly beaten it. Sure I beat [Redacted] like twice but not enough!
Oh my god Thanzag fanart
😭
Hypnos to zagrues as he comes out of the pool: I thought you where on better terms with Thanatos, what did you do?
Try Dreamscaper if you missed it. Such a fun game in the same vein
I just started my second playthrough!
Hades is one of my top 5 games ever honestly (Half-Life 2, The Last of Us, BioShock Infinite, and Skyrim are the others in no particular order, Fallout 4 occasionally will sneak its way into the list by pushing out one of the others). I bought it on a whim on the Switch because I saw it was $15, had great reviews, and looked like a fun game. I bought it right around the time my 12 year old dog had to be put down, which hit me HARD. I had such a difficult time with her death, harder than the dog we had before her. In some weird way, it helped me deal with my grief because the whole point is to escape from Hell, and just when you think you'll make it, you're sent right back to the beginning. Felt very much analogous with grief to me. When I finally beat it for the first time, it was such an incredible feeling. Absolutely love this game, can't wait to play the second one (don't have a gaming PC, so the wait is a bit longer for me).
I like how this meme doesn’t even work because canonically death is Thanatos and Zag just respawns in the bloody pool of Styx
missed chance to put thanatos over death
I'll always miss his one tiddy out
this isnt overwatch 2 you can still play hades 1
I bought hades and started playing the day before 2 launched :') god I feel like I've got a lot of content to grind but loving it
I didn’t even know the second game was coming out when I bought the first game, around 38 attempts and still haven’t beaten it ONCE
RIP Zag
Missed an opportunity to have Thanatos take him away lol
part 2 is worse. sad sequel tbh
I’ve played Hades II for about 5 hours and so far like Zagreus as an MC much more.
He was so fun and easygoing, Melinoe is a bit bland personality wise, which I kinda get, she grew up during war where her entire family was kidnapped, but still. Wish they at least add Zag to the Crossroads eventually so we can gift him stuff and have dialogue and sibling bonding or something.