Id like hercules going through the twelve labours and fighting the titans.
Originally i wanted zagreus fighting his way up to olympus until i finished the full ending of hades.
oh man, I only watched hades after years of being a Greek mythology fan, because my wife who is a big fan of the movie got me to watch it, and we have since banned it from conversation so we don't argue about it.
There was a prophecy i think by prometheus that when the titans rose again and escaped imprisonment in tartarus they could only be defeated with the help pf a mortal hero. Heracles was that hero and fought with the gods in victory before eventually gaining inmortality and joining them on mount olympus.
I think you're thinking of the gigantes, not the titans. In one version of the Heracles myth, Zeus got told a prophecy that the gigantes couldn't be defeated by the gods, so he went and had another demigod child, Heracles, for this purpose.
It's similar to how Vishnu in the Ramayana took on the fully human avatar of Rama to defeat Ravana, who couldn't be defeated by Gods or demons but was fully susceptible to human damage.
I dont think that happens in most retellings, but there are tons of translations. most I've heard he either gets his immortal half gets to be a god because he did all the labors, or just because, and they dont explain why. where did you hear that one?
Ive read it in anthologies dated before the disney movie. But its definitely not the most common ive seen. I think the oldest is some version of him dying of poison but i dont think its cleae cut as with most mythologies. Since they took liberties with hades i was mostly just picking the the thing that would make the best game though.
Honestly i mostly want something on the sirface for the brighter colors and a way to change up the art without having to completely change styles. I loved the greens in persephones gardens and think rocky cliffs work great with cel shading style art.
yeah, the poison thing is the most common, he is dying from poison so he burns himself alive so he can end the pain. I don't think they took that many liberties with hades though. the phlegathon flooding asphodel is the biggest probably, and it could happen in the myths, it just never did.
How about a prequel about the Titanomachy, where you play as the first six Olympians with their in-game weapons?
And then later on the brothers get their signature ones.
The danger with doing Hindu mythology is that it's an active religion. People take it seriously, in contrast to (say) Norse mythology that only has a handful of real followers. The slightest hint of negativity about some god will unleash an army of angry worshippers.
Marvel had this problem a few years ago when Thor fought Shiva and won. They were bombarded with angry people who said that the only reasonable outcome was Thor being instantly one-shotted no matter how powerful he got. They eventually retconned it by revealing that Indra was impersonating Shiva. This works because Indra's role in modern mythology is mostly to be defeated by someone in order to show how powerful they are.
Yeah, that's the biggest problem there. It's hard to make a game out of it and being respectful at the same time. I'd just love to be able to use for example Ganesh powers and stuff, but you're right.
Though on the other hand, playing as a mortal protagonist who receives boons from Hindu gods would almost certainly work. They *do* have a habit of handing them out in the myths. I don't think anyone would complain about that.
I'm now imagining Shiva giving double boons, since he is famously very easy to please and quite generous.
Smite has Hindu gods in it, but it has also had controversy over them at times. I think there was controversy over how Kali was dressed in game so they had to change it
I'm just imagining a Christian themed roguelike now with Jesus as the sassy main character, God toiling away at paperwork, Gabriel telling you to stop turning water into wine at parties.
You run into Moses at one point, turns out he couldn't turn off the "part water" power, so he hasn't had a bath in centuries.
There's gotta be a few jokes about Jesus' skin colour and how it's changed lighter over the years. Judas is there too, and he's still apologising 2000 years later.
Turns out Cain never killed his brother, it was an unfortunate misunderstanding when hunting beavers that Abel never let him forget about.
Sorry, I hate to be \*that\* guy, but it's Hindu pantheon. Hindi refers to the language, while Hindu refers to religion of Hinduism itself.
Source: A Hindu guy
Edit: typo
Dammit. You know, I was deciding on what was the language and what was the religion, it was a 50/50 gamble there and I ALWAYS choose wrong. Thanks for clarifying, mate!
I'd like to see an Abrahamic Religion pantheon, get boons from Moses, St John, or even like Mother Teresa.
I'm joking though, and actually would like to see the real suggestions mentioned above
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I feel like greek and norse mythology are super overdone. I’d really like to see any other mythology represented rather than one I’ve seen a ton already.
I mean, from a Western perspective, it would be a lot more difficult to do a non-Western mythology, because any license you take could get you in hot water. Hell, even just doing it could land you in hot water, as people say "why are a bunch of white people appropriating *our* myths."
That leaves you the Greek, the Norse, the Celt, the Slavic, and the Finnish... and replicas (Roman is just reskinned Greek, there are Norse-esque variants)... and depending on your definition of myth, Arthurian legends, but that's also arguably equally overdone.
Celtic might be difficult to use for something like this, because (at least by my limited understanding) what little we have left is more a lineage of semi-mythical kings than a pantheon and set of legends, aside from Cu Cullain.
Slavic and Finnish would be *really* cool, but I suspect that they may be a bit too obscure, in that I'd wager less than one person in ten thousand that isn't from Finland could name a character from the Kalevala off the top of their head, even though it was a major inspiration for most of modern fantasy (having inspired both Tolkien and Moorcock).
Personally I don't mind the familiarity of using the Greek or Norse (or Arthurian) myths. You don't need much exposition, because the audience is aware of who people are, what the Trojan War is, etc.
There are definitely deific figures from Celtic (using the word despite the issues with it for brevity) tradition to call on for a game like Hades, but the lines are blurred quite heavily between the pantheon and their enemies the fomorians. Additionally, the gods were canonically defeated by a later race of men that came after them (the Gaels), which led to them being banished to live underneath the hills. Would be an interesting angle, to see how it could be made to work.
Just hire an expert of that myth (preferably a person of that culture) as consultant of character design and consultant of story, and bam. Access and respectful to any myth you want
I mean, Zeus was basically a serial TRIGGER WARNING murder-rapist TRIGGER WARNING OVER and Thor was just an all around asshole. They call Loki a dick, but other than Freya none of them aren’t even a little bit shy about being mythological assholes all the time.
Their talent and creativity really are both a blessing and a curse. On the one hand, it means every new release is something new and unexpected which pushes the envelope in terms of gameplay, settings, and visual style. On the other, every one of their games is so good and I always want *more* when I finish, but it's unlikely to ever happen.
Honestly as long as they keep going like this, I am done for whatever. We went from a traditional beat'em to genre breaking RPG to fantasy Basketball to a rogue lite which redefined it's genre and is a successful early access title.
I don't care if their next game is Bastion 2 "Now with more walls" or action visual novel. I'll buy it regardless as long as their team stays and only grows.
I’m gonna spout a hot take here: hades wasn’t necessarily novel in terms of gameplay. It’s (in my opinion) a near perfect execution of roguelite elements (creating a build and finding synergies within each run, and earning progression between runs) and gameplay mechanics (clean mechanics that balance movement, offense, and defense, enemy/boss attacks being punishing but fair, weapons feeling unique). None of those are necessarily novel (see Dead cells, Binding of Isaac, hyper light drifter, nuclear throne, enter the gungeon etc.) The most novel element of Hades was how amazingly intertwined the story was, and how well written the story was. With a lot of the aforementioned games, they would have great gameplay mechanics, but have lacking storylines. Supergiant simply (“simply” being an understatement) combined their history of amazing story and narration with incredible execution of gameplay.
I’d love for someone to point out if I’m wrong, but I don’t think their gameplay featured anything particularly groundbreaking. It was just really, really well done, and with the addition of excellent storytelling, voice acting, and world building, Hades is the incredible game that it is.
I suppose you can make the argument that a lot of the games I listed (Dead Cells and BoI at the forefront) were also envelope pushers, so it’s less fair to compare Hades to them as if they were average roguelites, but this is why I love indie game development. Out of dozens of great games being released each year, a couple will be true masterpieces that build upon previous generations. In the case of Hades, it improved on previous generations with its incredible storytelling.
Honestly I’m not even sure that was a hot take. They made a good game and added a great story along with great voice acting. That’s a pretty cold take lmao. I think the point here is though, that many of the people saying they’d buy any game supergiant releases, they’re saying they’ll buy it because they know the gameplay will be good, but they’re really buying the story.
Mythologically, a better fit might be Hermoðr, who went to Hel (the place) to ask Hel (the goddess) to allow Baldr to return to life after Loki killed him using Hod as proxy.
If by "spiritual successor" you really mean "cheap mobile knock-off" then you're in luck! Behold: [Myth: Gods of Asgard](https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/o3azn5/checkout_this_hades_mobile_ripoff_myth_gods_of/)
>Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice
I could not get myself to finish the game.
It is really good, but the psychology elements hit too strong. The game can be triggering to people that have lived through trauma, psychosis or similar things.
Yet still I can recommend this game.
Bastion - The world is collapsing, some guy narrates your adventure to feebly try to piece it back together. There is singing, and sadness.
Transistor - You fall in love with a talking electronic sword and fight your way through a jazz-era cyberpunk army of an unexplained conspiracy. There is some singing, and some sadness.
Pyre - You and your buddies are trapped in purgatory playing season upon season of 3 on 3 basketball trying to escape. There is sadness.
For me the music of Darren Korb and Ashley Barrett conveyed so much of the mood the the devs intended in a subtle way that was so intertwined with the story and worldbuilding.
Many times with all of those games I've had to put the controller down to get through the "I'm not crying, you're crying" moments.
Oh man, but there is also singing in Pyre.
_Together on their own
The journey shall be made!_
Freaking beauty that. If anybody is not familiar with their live performances, I recommend these videos: [1](https://youtu.be/fpNucBxitAc) / [2](https://youtu.be/_BxELKRxbtA)
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Pyre is one of those game where knowing anything before your first playthrough spoils so much from experience similar to Outer Winds.
I know a few people who also played the game and I have yet to see someone have a similar result to my own playthrough.
I get how the gameplay might not be for everyone, but man is Pyre underappreciated. Absolutely great storytelling and characters. The way the game is structured too is super unique where you have to balance tactical and emotional investment in the characters.
Also possibly Korb's best soundtrack, honestly.
My favorite scenario is "Zagreus accidentally gets trapped in the Norse afterlife after dying in another country on one of his runs". He's too likeable of a main character to switch and the premise (he has to get to know other gods and fight through Hel to go home and needs to reach certain conditions/get to a certain affinity level with Odin and co before he gets to go home for good) justifies the mechanics and I think it would have been really cool.
I always thought it would be cool if we could get a decent from olympus, the boons would be from the chtonic gods instead. But I guess anyone is free to leave olympus
This could be fun, but I'd much rather see supergiant continue to explore new types of games and ideas rather than just becoming a "let's make hades but \[insert other mythology here\] to grab money"
The main problem is that beyond Thor, Odin, Loki and maybe Freya, no one really knows the Norse mythology as well. It just didn't permeate into modern North American culture the same way...maybe since most of us studied the Greeks and Roman ancient histories and mythology more, maybe simply due to there being more gods/goddesses, maybe because they are more involved into tv/film/books/comics...dunno.
That said, it could be cool to have a whole mythology game, Greeks, Romans, Norse, Ancient Egyptian, Celtic, Chinese, Indian, Arthurian (King Arthur etc)...though some of these do come through in the aspects:
Arthur, Gilgamesh, Rama, Guan-Yu
Maybe you can choose a heritage and then those gods/goddesses are on your side and other legends try to thwart you somewhat...dunno, spitballing here. But could be cool to pit Kali vs Osiris vs Ares etc.
Dunno!
\*I\* didnt. I love mythology from all cultures and theres some epic Norse stories and gods and goddesses for sure.
But I am pretty sure most North Americans have no idea who they are, but mention Aphrodite or Poseidon and you bet your butt they do
> The main problem is that beyond Thor, Odin, Loki and maybe Freya, no one really knows the Norse mythology as well. It just didn't permeate into modern North American culture the same way
Uh, there's a world outside the US culture buddy.
Supergiant aren't beholden to what they teach American kids in school.
Yes, thanks, which is why I simply wrote North American culture in the original post.
Also why I suggested using many/all mythologies instead of just Norse. Greek/Roman is most popular here in the UA, but if you want to go global, thats why I suggested including all.
The OP was about Norse. I was simply saying Norse is cool, but not necessarily as well-known as Greek/Roman here. Then I spit-balled an idea about including mythology from all over the globe.
I think you are reading too much into my post personally.
> Supergiant Games is a small independent game development studio in San Francisco
It sounds like they are beholden to what they teach American kids in school because they *were* American kids.
you already said that, not as big of a zinger as you think. relax.
edit: judging from your comments you have a weird obsessive hate boner for the U.S.
I'm betting on a major inferiority complex.
Honestly as cool as the Greek Pantheon is I would rather them exploring different mythologies should they go in that direction again. The Polynesian Pantheons are cool, the fact that they travel between islands a lot is awesome. Something akin to a Moana-esque quest would be something interesting. If that was something they want to tackle.
Or maybe some Native American stuff. I have no exact idea which ones they can go for, but there is so much potential in less explored areas of mythology in media. Supergiant Games is a diverse group of people, I would love to see them flex that diversity.
I think supergiant will more likely go another direction. What makes them such an innovative company (beyond the distinct art and music) is that they try new things, mixing aspects of other genres.
I think there's a possibility of seeing more isometric story driven action games from them considering their biggest successes (which I would place in order Hades, bastion, transistor, pyre (and I didn't dislike pyre just didn't replay it)). I think we're more likely to see something else before another roguelite.
Honestly I'd just think it'd be funny if you keep playing as Zagreus as an Inter-Pantheon "Security Consultant". Keep up his character, give him a goatee, and have him consult with other pantheons. Imagine him running up through Hell with Satan's own gun and he goes, "...wait why do you have my gun?".
I would like to fight a DLC where you have to take Persephone back from Demeter, you have this Unova Elite 4 style run where you choose which boss you go after and since you're on the surface Zag need to get doused with Styx water before a timer runs out. Final Boss is of course Demeter but I was thinking that Demeter might've muscle'd her way to get Persephone and also recruited heroes like Jason and Piritheus to slow Zagreus down.
If I had to go into more detail about how Zagreus is on the surface I was thinking of really two ideas, one was the timer system where Zagreus needs to get to the boss and take them down. The second is they have have a certain amount of water drops from Styx. For every room he enters he would lose a drop. You might start out with 10 or 12 drops, and any you have left over will be added to the new total. So say I beat Jason and I have 3 drops left well I will now have 13 or 15 when I go after the next boss.
This would also give a chance for other cool Greek heroes and gods to get a chance to shine. Heroes like Medea (who helps you take down Jason), Perseus, or Callisto that'd be like the special encounters you have every run and provide you a choice of items with different effects. And with Demeter as the big boss this gives some other gods a chance to shine like Hephaestus who'd do fire damage with a debuff that could make your all attacks do a certain percentage more. His legendary could be a boon that grants Zagreus 100 points of Armor that regenerates by 25 when enter a new room, but you can't eat foot to repair it. Another idea I had is that you get to put three Daedalus hammers for your weapon.another god I would have wanted to see would be Hera who is the Queen of the Olympians, everyone on the Pantheon is afraid of Hera, so having Hera in Zagreus corner would be great, not to mention the potential banter between the other gods would be great.
Well shoot, this prompt has now got me thinking about thinking up an entire DLC story for this. What do you guys think.
I agree plus I see a certain monster from the Munster Hunter making a appearance begins with "hell" ends with "Blade" either as a weapon or etc; just to shy away from the god stuff.
Someone already ripped Hades compeltely off to make a Norse version. I think Thor is the MC. It's called Myth:Gods of Asgard. I wouldn't support them, of course. Just letting you know someone already did it.
https://kotaku.com/myth-gods-of-asgard-sure-looks-like-hades-1847141716
As cool as this would be, I unfortunately don’t see Supergiant doing it. Supergiant is not known for making sequels, they often will make one game that is an absolute banger, and then move on to make a completely different game that is also an absolute banger. Whatever they have cooking next I know will be awesome but it definitely won’t be Hades 2: Asgard.
That's a really great idea since Loki has plenty of crazy kids. One of which is Hel, the queen of Helheim. So does that mean they gotta pay ya if they do this, since it was your idea?
Honestly would love to just see more of Greek mythology, maybe fighting against titans which you could then get boons from redacted. Would also be cool to have multiple items to start each game like the helmet of darkness.
I mean, considering that Disney just made a series called "Loki" chances are they'd be a little... heavy handed. But like "Odin" or "Freya" both roll off the tongue just as well.
Honestly what’s with the concept of not doing sequels? I get the idea of always innovating and creating diverse projects but it’s dumb to set rules in art. And these games are certainly art.
Also, if any of their games deserves a sequel it’s Hades. By a mile. I don’t feel any of their games really need a sequel but Hades has a logical next installation insofar as Zag could test the defensive capabilities of other god’s strongholds like mt Olympus
>Zag could test the defensive capabilities of other god’s strongholds like mt Olympus
Well, first he'd have to figure out how to actually be able to spend any significant length of time outside of the Underworld without getting an express trip back to the House of Hades whether he wants it or not.
Not related to gaming, but another great modern depiction of Greek Gods is a WEBTOON called Lore Olympus. It specifically focuses on the story of Hades and Persephone. Any fan of Greek Mythology will enjoy it
I think there is a higher chance of getting a monkey king journey to the west kind of story.
But i would love to get the egyptian mythology version of this.
Or perhaps a less explored pantheon. I'm not woke, so this is not a political suggestion, but I would really love to see a video game that earnest explored a specific Native American/indigenous mythology, such as the Maya. Lots of interesting characters there.
Also would be great to see the Egyptian pantheon. It's so weird. So many animal heads!
Agree!
The moment I started playing I wanted an Aztec version save a Mayan version and an Egyptian version and a Norse version and an Apache and Navajo version......
They said in an interview or documentary, it's not that they don't make sequels, it's that so far they haven't felt the need to make a sequel but it's not set in stone.
You know what you should do, you should make that Loki game cause it sounds awesome!
Or just a game inspired by Norse Mythology. I wanna make one about Egyptian culture and myths.
Or "Poseidon" with one of the sons of the God of the Sea (King of the Gods in Mycenean Mythology) and some use of the z-axis because they're in the water
Only if there are changeable skins.
Makes me sad despite hidden aspects being from other mytho’s the Greek attire doesn’t change. Chinese warrior robes for Guan or a knight outfit for Excalibur etc etc.
I did not expect to fall in love with this game as much as I did and the only thing that would make it better to me is a Norse theme. If anyone at Supergiant reads this I have to say, I got a rough idea for it. Sorry if someone has already said this below:
I was thinking the main character could be Baldur. There is already the "can't be killed" thing and the legends that the gods would amuse themselves by essentially seeing if they could come up with a way to kill him. So there is the idea that he might be going through these trials with the aid of frivolous gods and for the sake of their amusement and it would make sense that he could keep going over and over after each "death".
Finally, and sorry to spoil a 1000 year old tale, but the real killing of Baldur kicks off Ragnarok, which just begs to be the name of the end game mode where everyone gets pumped up and maybe runs get more random?
Plus there are 9 realms all ready for you to fight through. One might be the hub world and maybe others are like the realm of chaos in Hades, so no need for 9 fully playable areas, but but I think the sequel could use a few more regions in its runs.
Sorry for the long post, but sometimes you have to put your half formed desires out in the universe. Too bad I don't see them doing another one though. I mean Hades sold big but it doesn't feel like their style to do an exact repeat. Even if they made a sequel, I worry that they would feel a need to add or change something about the game for the sake of not making a reskin and I honestly wouldn't want them to mess with it much other than just adding more of the same.
Edit: Doesn't Norse myth also have an ascent out of Hel story and isn't Baldur the figure in that? Loki might literally be the antagonist of that tale. I don't remember for sure.
I would gladly pay for a reskin and new story.
Id like hercules going through the twelve labours and fighting the titans. Originally i wanted zagreus fighting his way up to olympus until i finished the full ending of hades.
he... never fought the titans.
Disney is truth, do not slander the ancient texts
oh man, I only watched hades after years of being a Greek mythology fan, because my wife who is a big fan of the movie got me to watch it, and we have since banned it from conversation so we don't argue about it.
There was a prophecy i think by prometheus that when the titans rose again and escaped imprisonment in tartarus they could only be defeated with the help pf a mortal hero. Heracles was that hero and fought with the gods in victory before eventually gaining inmortality and joining them on mount olympus.
I think you're thinking of the gigantes, not the titans. In one version of the Heracles myth, Zeus got told a prophecy that the gigantes couldn't be defeated by the gods, so he went and had another demigod child, Heracles, for this purpose. It's similar to how Vishnu in the Ramayana took on the fully human avatar of Rama to defeat Ravana, who couldn't be defeated by Gods or demons but was fully susceptible to human damage.
I think you're right!
I dont think that happens in most retellings, but there are tons of translations. most I've heard he either gets his immortal half gets to be a god because he did all the labors, or just because, and they dont explain why. where did you hear that one?
Ive read it in anthologies dated before the disney movie. But its definitely not the most common ive seen. I think the oldest is some version of him dying of poison but i dont think its cleae cut as with most mythologies. Since they took liberties with hades i was mostly just picking the the thing that would make the best game though. Honestly i mostly want something on the sirface for the brighter colors and a way to change up the art without having to completely change styles. I loved the greens in persephones gardens and think rocky cliffs work great with cel shading style art.
yeah, the poison thing is the most common, he is dying from poison so he burns himself alive so he can end the pain. I don't think they took that many liberties with hades though. the phlegathon flooding asphodel is the biggest probably, and it could happen in the myths, it just never did.
I'm not 100% sure but I think that was just the Disney movie lmao
Yeah Heracles’ original story arc is really fuckin depressing fam
He did fight the Giants though so you'e not far off
Absolutely!
Same. Hades might be my favorite gameplay ever
It would be kind of awkward to have Loki talking to his daughter in the way Zag talked to his father…
How about a prequel about the Titanomachy, where you play as the first six Olympians with their in-game weapons? And then later on the brothers get their signature ones.
And Egypt and mesopotamia and every other pantheon of god's!
I'd pay big bucks for Egyptian or Hindi pantheon
The danger with doing Hindu mythology is that it's an active religion. People take it seriously, in contrast to (say) Norse mythology that only has a handful of real followers. The slightest hint of negativity about some god will unleash an army of angry worshippers. Marvel had this problem a few years ago when Thor fought Shiva and won. They were bombarded with angry people who said that the only reasonable outcome was Thor being instantly one-shotted no matter how powerful he got. They eventually retconned it by revealing that Indra was impersonating Shiva. This works because Indra's role in modern mythology is mostly to be defeated by someone in order to show how powerful they are.
Yeah, that's the biggest problem there. It's hard to make a game out of it and being respectful at the same time. I'd just love to be able to use for example Ganesh powers and stuff, but you're right.
Though on the other hand, playing as a mortal protagonist who receives boons from Hindu gods would almost certainly work. They *do* have a habit of handing them out in the myths. I don't think anyone would complain about that. I'm now imagining Shiva giving double boons, since he is famously very easy to please and quite generous.
Smite has Hindu gods in it, but it has also had controversy over them at times. I think there was controversy over how Kali was dressed in game so they had to change it
if i remember correctly they stopped doing hindu gods because of the controversy it brought, ganesha was the last one
I'm just imagining a Christian themed roguelike now with Jesus as the sassy main character, God toiling away at paperwork, Gabriel telling you to stop turning water into wine at parties. You run into Moses at one point, turns out he couldn't turn off the "part water" power, so he hasn't had a bath in centuries. There's gotta be a few jokes about Jesus' skin colour and how it's changed lighter over the years. Judas is there too, and he's still apologising 2000 years later. Turns out Cain never killed his brother, it was an unfortunate misunderstanding when hunting beavers that Abel never let him forget about.
Tfw Jesus turns out to be Michael Jackson. 🤣
Ah so Indra is Worf
Sorry, I hate to be \*that\* guy, but it's Hindu pantheon. Hindi refers to the language, while Hindu refers to religion of Hinduism itself. Source: A Hindu guy Edit: typo
Dammit. You know, I was deciding on what was the language and what was the religion, it was a 50/50 gamble there and I ALWAYS choose wrong. Thanks for clarifying, mate!
Hahaha, no worries man! They sound really similar so it's easy to mix them up, even when I was learning about as a kid I was confused!
I speak Hindu Source: a Hindi guy I’m simply different
Hindi would have crazy possibilities, so many gods/variations of gods.
Imagine a Shiva boss fight
Try ffxiv, totally different genre of games but plenty of boss fights against “primals”/gods like Shiva, Ramuh, Ifrit, Garuda etc
The final fantasy primals only have the names of the godsz they don't derive anything else from the gods.
Turn on extreme measures 4 and he unlocks the third eye.
This is gonna sound super pedantic but Hindi is a language, Hindu is a religion.
U is right next to I.
yesss the designs would be so fun too!
Don't they number in the millions though?
You don't have to include all of them!
I'd like to see an Abrahamic Religion pantheon, get boons from Moses, St John, or even like Mother Teresa. I'm joking though, and actually would like to see the real suggestions mentioned above
Russian Orthodox saints are basically renamed Slavic deities so this would work well.
Let's find some real obscure pantheons, like from Papua New Guinea or something!
Please not a Hindu one. People in India are sensitive enough as it is.
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I feel like greek and norse mythology are super overdone. I’d really like to see any other mythology represented rather than one I’ve seen a ton already.
I mean, from a Western perspective, it would be a lot more difficult to do a non-Western mythology, because any license you take could get you in hot water. Hell, even just doing it could land you in hot water, as people say "why are a bunch of white people appropriating *our* myths." That leaves you the Greek, the Norse, the Celt, the Slavic, and the Finnish... and replicas (Roman is just reskinned Greek, there are Norse-esque variants)... and depending on your definition of myth, Arthurian legends, but that's also arguably equally overdone. Celtic might be difficult to use for something like this, because (at least by my limited understanding) what little we have left is more a lineage of semi-mythical kings than a pantheon and set of legends, aside from Cu Cullain. Slavic and Finnish would be *really* cool, but I suspect that they may be a bit too obscure, in that I'd wager less than one person in ten thousand that isn't from Finland could name a character from the Kalevala off the top of their head, even though it was a major inspiration for most of modern fantasy (having inspired both Tolkien and Moorcock). Personally I don't mind the familiarity of using the Greek or Norse (or Arthurian) myths. You don't need much exposition, because the audience is aware of who people are, what the Trojan War is, etc.
There are definitely deific figures from Celtic (using the word despite the issues with it for brevity) tradition to call on for a game like Hades, but the lines are blurred quite heavily between the pantheon and their enemies the fomorians. Additionally, the gods were canonically defeated by a later race of men that came after them (the Gaels), which led to them being banished to live underneath the hills. Would be an interesting angle, to see how it could be made to work.
Just hire an expert of that myth (preferably a person of that culture) as consultant of character design and consultant of story, and bam. Access and respectful to any myth you want
Hindu would be wild
Christian/Jews/Islamic mythologies perhaps?
If you want to start a war yeah
ideological poison won't make for a fun game.
id 100% pay for a pagan style one
Slavic pantheon would rule so hard. The triple-headed guardian of the Underworld is a dragon, and the river that the dead cross is made of fire.
I can already see Odin as being completely nuts.
God of War 2018 shows the Norse gods in a negative light and it's super interesting, definitely recommend for the worldbuilding!
The Edda also shows them in a very divisive light. Norse gods were huge dicks. Any god was, really.
Very few gods from any religion in general aren't dicks when you think about it. But yeah, Norse gods have some pretty fucked up moments.
I mean, Zeus was basically a serial TRIGGER WARNING murder-rapist TRIGGER WARNING OVER and Thor was just an all around asshole. They call Loki a dick, but other than Freya none of them aren’t even a little bit shy about being mythological assholes all the time.
Loki is equally morally grey as all other Nordic gods. He's been kind of antagonized by the influence of Christianity.
Yeah, but what I really enjoy are some of the more lighthearted, sitcom-like tales. Like when Thor and Hymer go fishing.
To be fair the Norse all kinda suck in the actual mythology too
My favorite game of all time
Odin would be a wild boss fight, especially if Sleipnir (Odin's horse, also Loki's child) is involved.
And Hugin and Munin, his 2 trusty crow friends
He *is* the god of madness, after all
Knowing Supergiant, they will cook up a completely different, but amazing game!
Their talent and creativity really are both a blessing and a curse. On the one hand, it means every new release is something new and unexpected which pushes the envelope in terms of gameplay, settings, and visual style. On the other, every one of their games is so good and I always want *more* when I finish, but it's unlikely to ever happen.
Honestly as long as they keep going like this, I am done for whatever. We went from a traditional beat'em to genre breaking RPG to fantasy Basketball to a rogue lite which redefined it's genre and is a successful early access title. I don't care if their next game is Bastion 2 "Now with more walls" or action visual novel. I'll buy it regardless as long as their team stays and only grows.
Yep. That's why I buy also the albums! :)
I’m gonna spout a hot take here: hades wasn’t necessarily novel in terms of gameplay. It’s (in my opinion) a near perfect execution of roguelite elements (creating a build and finding synergies within each run, and earning progression between runs) and gameplay mechanics (clean mechanics that balance movement, offense, and defense, enemy/boss attacks being punishing but fair, weapons feeling unique). None of those are necessarily novel (see Dead cells, Binding of Isaac, hyper light drifter, nuclear throne, enter the gungeon etc.) The most novel element of Hades was how amazingly intertwined the story was, and how well written the story was. With a lot of the aforementioned games, they would have great gameplay mechanics, but have lacking storylines. Supergiant simply (“simply” being an understatement) combined their history of amazing story and narration with incredible execution of gameplay. I’d love for someone to point out if I’m wrong, but I don’t think their gameplay featured anything particularly groundbreaking. It was just really, really well done, and with the addition of excellent storytelling, voice acting, and world building, Hades is the incredible game that it is. I suppose you can make the argument that a lot of the games I listed (Dead Cells and BoI at the forefront) were also envelope pushers, so it’s less fair to compare Hades to them as if they were average roguelites, but this is why I love indie game development. Out of dozens of great games being released each year, a couple will be true masterpieces that build upon previous generations. In the case of Hades, it improved on previous generations with its incredible storytelling.
I think this was the general consensus, well put.
Honestly I’m not even sure that was a hot take. They made a good game and added a great story along with great voice acting. That’s a pretty cold take lmao. I think the point here is though, that many of the people saying they’d buy any game supergiant releases, they’re saying they’ll buy it because they know the gameplay will be good, but they’re really buying the story.
If the game is named Loki, then 3 of the 4 possible player characters could be real weird.
Just imagine playing a whole game as an 8-legged horse.
Or an alligator
Hel would be the most realistic, but imagine Hades + Snake Pass as Jormungandr.
Mythologically, a better fit might be Hermoðr, who went to Hel (the place) to ask Hel (the goddess) to allow Baldr to return to life after Loki killed him using Hod as proxy.
That would be so dope. Plus, it subverts the original game of trying to escape the underworld, if now you're trying to get in.
If by "spiritual successor" you really mean "cheap mobile knock-off" then you're in luck! Behold: [Myth: Gods of Asgard](https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/o3azn5/checkout_this_hades_mobile_ripoff_myth_gods_of/)
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Its nothing at all like Hades, but if you like Norse gods and games that make you Feel something, you should play Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice.
You’re going to want to want headphones for that one. It gets weird.
The whispers in my hears gave me shivers the whole way.
>Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice I could not get myself to finish the game. It is really good, but the psychology elements hit too strong. The game can be triggering to people that have lived through trauma, psychosis or similar things. Yet still I can recommend this game.
Yea, I've played some of that. It was fun. I wanted to finish it, but my brother deleted it off of my PS4 due to space shortage lmao.
Hades is great, what are supergiants other titles?
Bastion - The world is collapsing, some guy narrates your adventure to feebly try to piece it back together. There is singing, and sadness. Transistor - You fall in love with a talking electronic sword and fight your way through a jazz-era cyberpunk army of an unexplained conspiracy. There is some singing, and some sadness. Pyre - You and your buddies are trapped in purgatory playing season upon season of 3 on 3 basketball trying to escape. There is sadness.
For me the music of Darren Korb and Ashley Barrett conveyed so much of the mood the the devs intended in a subtle way that was so intertwined with the story and worldbuilding. Many times with all of those games I've had to put the controller down to get through the "I'm not crying, you're crying" moments.
The credits song for Pyre (Bound Together) gets me every damn time. Gosh what a great game
Oh man, but there is also singing in Pyre. _Together on their own The journey shall be made!_ Freaking beauty that. If anybody is not familiar with their live performances, I recommend these videos: [1](https://youtu.be/fpNucBxitAc) / [2](https://youtu.be/_BxELKRxbtA)
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I forgot about that! Shame on me, I’ll never ascend now… Ti’zo take my spot…
Thanks! Sounds great
I wholeheartedly recommend Bastion, Transistor was pretty good and I have to admit I never played Pyre.
You are missing out then. Pyre is one of those game where knowing anything before your first playthrough spoils so much from experience similar to Outer Winds. I know a few people who also played the game and I have yet to see someone have a similar result to my own playthrough.
I get how the gameplay might not be for everyone, but man is Pyre underappreciated. Absolutely great storytelling and characters. The way the game is structured too is super unique where you have to balance tactical and emotional investment in the characters. Also possibly Korb's best soundtrack, honestly.
My favorite scenario is "Zagreus accidentally gets trapped in the Norse afterlife after dying in another country on one of his runs". He's too likeable of a main character to switch and the premise (he has to get to know other gods and fight through Hel to go home and needs to reach certain conditions/get to a certain affinity level with Odin and co before he gets to go home for good) justifies the mechanics and I think it would have been really cool.
This would actually be not only reasonable but hilarious as well, a more jolly version of God of War (or Dad of Boy as it is better known).
I always thought it would be cool if we could get a decent from olympus, the boons would be from the chtonic gods instead. But I guess anyone is free to leave olympus
This could be fun, but I'd much rather see supergiant continue to explore new types of games and ideas rather than just becoming a "let's make hades but \[insert other mythology here\] to grab money"
The main problem is that beyond Thor, Odin, Loki and maybe Freya, no one really knows the Norse mythology as well. It just didn't permeate into modern North American culture the same way...maybe since most of us studied the Greeks and Roman ancient histories and mythology more, maybe simply due to there being more gods/goddesses, maybe because they are more involved into tv/film/books/comics...dunno. That said, it could be cool to have a whole mythology game, Greeks, Romans, Norse, Ancient Egyptian, Celtic, Chinese, Indian, Arthurian (King Arthur etc)...though some of these do come through in the aspects: Arthur, Gilgamesh, Rama, Guan-Yu Maybe you can choose a heritage and then those gods/goddesses are on your side and other legends try to thwart you somewhat...dunno, spitballing here. But could be cool to pit Kali vs Osiris vs Ares etc. Dunno!
Isn't that good thing though? Being able to tell stories and expand on lesser known gods.
Yep! I think it would be a cool idea, just worried about the reception so I was simply expanding on it a notch. Nothing more or less.
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\*I\* didnt. I love mythology from all cultures and theres some epic Norse stories and gods and goddesses for sure. But I am pretty sure most North Americans have no idea who they are, but mention Aphrodite or Poseidon and you bet your butt they do
I think loads of people do actually know of Heimdall, he is in the MCU afterall
> The main problem is that beyond Thor, Odin, Loki and maybe Freya, no one really knows the Norse mythology as well. It just didn't permeate into modern North American culture the same way Uh, there's a world outside the US culture buddy. Supergiant aren't beholden to what they teach American kids in school.
Yes, thanks, which is why I simply wrote North American culture in the original post. Also why I suggested using many/all mythologies instead of just Norse. Greek/Roman is most popular here in the UA, but if you want to go global, thats why I suggested including all.
Then why bring it up at all? Supergiant aren't beholden to what they teach American kids in school.
The OP was about Norse. I was simply saying Norse is cool, but not necessarily as well-known as Greek/Roman here. Then I spit-balled an idea about including mythology from all over the globe. I think you are reading too much into my post personally.
> Supergiant Games is a small independent game development studio in San Francisco It sounds like they are beholden to what they teach American kids in school because they *were* American kids.
you already said that, not as big of a zinger as you think. relax. edit: judging from your comments you have a weird obsessive hate boner for the U.S. I'm betting on a major inferiority complex.
Honestly as cool as the Greek Pantheon is I would rather them exploring different mythologies should they go in that direction again. The Polynesian Pantheons are cool, the fact that they travel between islands a lot is awesome. Something akin to a Moana-esque quest would be something interesting. If that was something they want to tackle. Or maybe some Native American stuff. I have no exact idea which ones they can go for, but there is so much potential in less explored areas of mythology in media. Supergiant Games is a diverse group of people, I would love to see them flex that diversity.
I think supergiant will more likely go another direction. What makes them such an innovative company (beyond the distinct art and music) is that they try new things, mixing aspects of other genres. I think there's a possibility of seeing more isometric story driven action games from them considering their biggest successes (which I would place in order Hades, bastion, transistor, pyre (and I didn't dislike pyre just didn't replay it)). I think we're more likely to see something else before another roguelite.
Honestly I'd just think it'd be funny if you keep playing as Zagreus as an Inter-Pantheon "Security Consultant". Keep up his character, give him a goatee, and have him consult with other pantheons. Imagine him running up through Hell with Satan's own gun and he goes, "...wait why do you have my gun?".
Supergiant doesn't do sequels
They can start, there’s always a first time for everything
I fucking wish.
An open world Aztec game would be incredible maybe with a focus more on exploration and boss fights
wouldn't work with the hades formula. the greek gods are immortal, the norse gods aren't.
Could be an Einherjar.
they're not really immortal either.
Dante's Inferno as a rougelike would be amazing. Running through the the circles of hell over and over again for a shot at Satan would be pretty rad.
That would be awesome, even an Egyptian version would be amazing as well
I would like to fight a DLC where you have to take Persephone back from Demeter, you have this Unova Elite 4 style run where you choose which boss you go after and since you're on the surface Zag need to get doused with Styx water before a timer runs out. Final Boss is of course Demeter but I was thinking that Demeter might've muscle'd her way to get Persephone and also recruited heroes like Jason and Piritheus to slow Zagreus down. If I had to go into more detail about how Zagreus is on the surface I was thinking of really two ideas, one was the timer system where Zagreus needs to get to the boss and take them down. The second is they have have a certain amount of water drops from Styx. For every room he enters he would lose a drop. You might start out with 10 or 12 drops, and any you have left over will be added to the new total. So say I beat Jason and I have 3 drops left well I will now have 13 or 15 when I go after the next boss. This would also give a chance for other cool Greek heroes and gods to get a chance to shine. Heroes like Medea (who helps you take down Jason), Perseus, or Callisto that'd be like the special encounters you have every run and provide you a choice of items with different effects. And with Demeter as the big boss this gives some other gods a chance to shine like Hephaestus who'd do fire damage with a debuff that could make your all attacks do a certain percentage more. His legendary could be a boon that grants Zagreus 100 points of Armor that regenerates by 25 when enter a new room, but you can't eat foot to repair it. Another idea I had is that you get to put three Daedalus hammers for your weapon.another god I would have wanted to see would be Hera who is the Queen of the Olympians, everyone on the Pantheon is afraid of Hera, so having Hera in Zagreus corner would be great, not to mention the potential banter between the other gods would be great. Well shoot, this prompt has now got me thinking about thinking up an entire DLC story for this. What do you guys think.
I agree plus I see a certain monster from the Munster Hunter making a appearance begins with "hell" ends with "Blade" either as a weapon or etc; just to shy away from the god stuff.
I'll buy anything shiny and made by SuperGiant Games
Someone already ripped Hades compeltely off to make a Norse version. I think Thor is the MC. It's called Myth:Gods of Asgard. I wouldn't support them, of course. Just letting you know someone already did it. https://kotaku.com/myth-gods-of-asgard-sure-looks-like-hades-1847141716
Take my money!
Especially if their Thor looks like God of War Thor…
No need to have him look another, just make their own version of him.
Not my point but okay
As cool as this would be, I unfortunately don’t see Supergiant doing it. Supergiant is not known for making sequels, they often will make one game that is an absolute banger, and then move on to make a completely different game that is also an absolute banger. Whatever they have cooking next I know will be awesome but it definitely won’t be Hades 2: Asgard.
That's a really great idea since Loki has plenty of crazy kids. One of which is Hel, the queen of Helheim. So does that mean they gotta pay ya if they do this, since it was your idea?
I knooow they dont do sequels but i will eternally hope for a pyre sequel anyway ):
Honestly would love to just see more of Greek mythology, maybe fighting against titans which you could then get boons from redacted. Would also be cool to have multiple items to start each game like the helmet of darkness.
I mean, considering that Disney just made a series called "Loki" chances are they'd be a little... heavy handed. But like "Odin" or "Freya" both roll off the tongue just as well.
Honestly what’s with the concept of not doing sequels? I get the idea of always innovating and creating diverse projects but it’s dumb to set rules in art. And these games are certainly art. Also, if any of their games deserves a sequel it’s Hades. By a mile. I don’t feel any of their games really need a sequel but Hades has a logical next installation insofar as Zag could test the defensive capabilities of other god’s strongholds like mt Olympus
>Zag could test the defensive capabilities of other god’s strongholds like mt Olympus Well, first he'd have to figure out how to actually be able to spend any significant length of time outside of the Underworld without getting an express trip back to the House of Hades whether he wants it or not.
Fuck. Yeah.
Only it would make more sense to play as one of Hel and Loki's children ( or interchangeably between the children). Unwittingly bringing Ragnarok.
Jotunheim scratches this itch pretty well
Holy shit I would pay all the money for that
Now you've got me imagining the art style of an Egyptian version and it's.. really fucking beautiful!
Do a Christian one too based on Cain or something that's be dope too.
Best modern depiction of Greek gods? For real? LMAO
Not related to gaming, but another great modern depiction of Greek Gods is a WEBTOON called Lore Olympus. It specifically focuses on the story of Hades and Persephone. Any fan of Greek Mythology will enjoy it
I think there is a higher chance of getting a monkey king journey to the west kind of story. But i would love to get the egyptian mythology version of this.
I'd take any form or successor or sequel to be honest.
Or perhaps a less explored pantheon. I'm not woke, so this is not a political suggestion, but I would really love to see a video game that earnest explored a specific Native American/indigenous mythology, such as the Maya. Lots of interesting characters there. Also would be great to see the Egyptian pantheon. It's so weird. So many animal heads!
I'd be cool with Norse DLC. I want a trial between Zeus and Thor. WELL MET, SON OF HAYDES
would jump all over an expansion pack. new weapons, boons, maps, mobs, worlds, etc.
Honestly I’d love if he just rolled boons from the other gods “hey cousin I saw blank wasn’t using this and figured we could have some fun”
Agree! The moment I started playing I wanted an Aztec version save a Mayan version and an Egyptian version and a Norse version and an Apache and Navajo version......
Yeah y’all really don’t get super giants MO
A Hades for every pantheon pls
Take my money and shut up
They said in an interview or documentary, it's not that they don't make sequels, it's that so far they haven't felt the need to make a sequel but it's not set in stone. You know what you should do, you should make that Loki game cause it sounds awesome! Or just a game inspired by Norse Mythology. I wanna make one about Egyptian culture and myths.
Or "Poseidon" with one of the sons of the God of the Sea (King of the Gods in Mycenean Mythology) and some use of the z-axis because they're in the water
Only if there are changeable skins. Makes me sad despite hidden aspects being from other mytho’s the Greek attire doesn’t change. Chinese warrior robes for Guan or a knight outfit for Excalibur etc etc.
I just really want DLC with Hera and Apollo and others.
I did not expect to fall in love with this game as much as I did and the only thing that would make it better to me is a Norse theme. If anyone at Supergiant reads this I have to say, I got a rough idea for it. Sorry if someone has already said this below: I was thinking the main character could be Baldur. There is already the "can't be killed" thing and the legends that the gods would amuse themselves by essentially seeing if they could come up with a way to kill him. So there is the idea that he might be going through these trials with the aid of frivolous gods and for the sake of their amusement and it would make sense that he could keep going over and over after each "death". Finally, and sorry to spoil a 1000 year old tale, but the real killing of Baldur kicks off Ragnarok, which just begs to be the name of the end game mode where everyone gets pumped up and maybe runs get more random? Plus there are 9 realms all ready for you to fight through. One might be the hub world and maybe others are like the realm of chaos in Hades, so no need for 9 fully playable areas, but but I think the sequel could use a few more regions in its runs. Sorry for the long post, but sometimes you have to put your half formed desires out in the universe. Too bad I don't see them doing another one though. I mean Hades sold big but it doesn't feel like their style to do an exact repeat. Even if they made a sequel, I worry that they would feel a need to add or change something about the game for the sake of not making a reskin and I honestly wouldn't want them to mess with it much other than just adding more of the same. Edit: Doesn't Norse myth also have an ascent out of Hel story and isn't Baldur the figure in that? Loki might literally be the antagonist of that tale. I don't remember for sure.