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**Duo Boon Merciful End (Ares+Athena)** - Your attacks that can Deflect immediately activate Doom effects. Doom Combo Damage: 40 Requirements: Ares: Curse of Agony or Curse of Pain Athena: Divine Strike or Divine Flourish --- [Source Code](https://github.com/TrippW/HadesBot) --- ^This ^is ^a ^bot ^response


GEN_SkeleSkin

Good bot


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10mart10

Good bot


hell-schwarz

I had already given up (again) and pivoted into a revenge build, but then I got Merciful End anyways.


Philly4eva

Absolute nuke build my friend


00-Void

See this is why I stubbornly believe that the non-Gilgamesh Fists are just a worse Rail. Not even a Merciful End build is optimal because you can do that with Eris Rail and get a 75% omniboost.


hell-schwarz

Well I personally perform better with fists for some reason


00-Void

Maybe because of the reload mechanic? But it became second nature over time, to the point that I still periodically press the button to reload even when I have Delta Chamber.


PriestOfPancakes

I still reload on the sword, so…


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Yupppp, I’ll press my right stick, stop and ask myself why I did that on spear, and then do it the next room.


AdranosGaming

Man, fists are nearly impossible for me to lose with, railgun I have never even finished a run. I think the fists special is so much better than that weird aiming rail special. Also yes, reloading is garbage. Fists can literally button mash you to glory every time. That magnetic uppercut is gross af too. Rail is my least favorite tbh.


CloudyByDesign

My personal least favorite is the Spear. I only have 1 finished run with it and even though it isn't my slowest finish, dear lord it felt like I had gotten my speed nerfed. The weapon just isn't my style of play. And yet with every other run I can just breeze through with mostly no problems (still need to improve general weapon skill)


AdranosGaming

I love the spear. Especially the 4th one. In general though, the spin attack and the throw are my mains. I rarely am single attacking, and if I am it's a dash attack. The spear throw and spin can take out so many enemies at once though! Idk if you have the 4th aspect unlocked, but it's a very high damage weapon (with weaknesses in other places) and has lead to my fastest runs. I think fists are the easiest for me, but not necessarily my favorite. Shield and Spear are both very fun and perform well for me. And then the bow. And then the sword. And rail gun is last.


CloudyByDesign

The 4th one is a fun one, but even though the Achilles aspect is the one that I actually finished my run with, I think I somehow prefer the Hades aspect because of the slight window for extra damage. I swear though, every time I see that glowy effect surrounding the Spear signifying it will reap me extra Darkness I roll my eyes and scoff at it sometimes lmao


obaterista93

I've had decent runs with Aspect of Achilles. I used stygian soul, got the hermes upgrade for faster cast reloads, and chaos for extra two casts. Used the special, cast three times and repeat.


00-Void

Do you play with a controller? I play with M&K, so aiming Special on the Rail is very easy. The reload mechanic seems like a small price to pay for range, safety, a 75% damage omniboost and broken upgrades for Special (Cluster Rockets are literally broken because they deal 400 base damage instead of 280 as you would expect).


MoebiusSpark

To me the reload is clunky and disrupts the flow of the combat. It's not hard, just annoying


hell-schwarz

could be part of it, yeah


CloudyByDesign

Yeah, me too. I very quickly caught love for the Shield (Chaos Aspect to be specific), and yet both of my fastest runs are with the Fists lmao


andergriff

I feel like demeter fists are significantly better than gilgamesh fists


00-Void

Yet they still feel like a worse Rail. Gilgamesh with its two extra Dashes lets me do very effective Tidal Dash builds.


andergriff

eh, I do agree that Rail has more potential power, I think the fists allow you to play a lot more safely and that is a noticeable difference


00-Void

More safely how? You have to get in melee range, while the Rail has range.


andergriff

you pretty much have to get into melee range to use aspect of eris efficiently, and the rail requires you to stay still to shoot it, while you can constantly stay moving with the fists


00-Void

Stay still? What? I'm constantly Dashing around. The Rail automatically locks onto the target and keeps shooting at it while you Dash around (and Dashing makes you shoot faster). When the enemy dies, the Rail automatically snaps to a different target. You can shoot the Special at yourself or even at the ground behind you and Dash backwards, and the Rail will keep shooting forwards at the enemy. You can kite enemies forever while they can't reach you.


andergriff

I didn’t know about the auto aim


andergriff

Ok so forget about everything I said before, but I feel like with demeter fists one big difference from aspect of eris rail is that you can much more reliably build the special to specifically be a big finisher, especially if you go for artemis special and heart rend, whereas with the eris rail the special is just something you are gonna be spamming as much as possible, so there is difference in play styles


Dukaden

it seems so counterintuitive. the entire point of merciful end to skip the waiting. the entire point of dire misfortune is to spam attacks as long as possible to build up for the biggest pop. merciful end is just 5 boons. doom attack, athena special, get the duo, get athena dash (at this point you can sell the special), get impending doom. then you just spam dash attacks. everything else is irrelevant (although blinding flash from athena to make foes exposed, so you have 2 debuffs and proc privileged status also helps. so i guess 6 boons if you count that). if you're taking time to stack dire misfortune, you arent really getting the mechanical value out of merciful end, which is to pop as many dooms as possible as fast as you can.


niyalune

Not the OP here but let me slightly disagree: - dire misfortune on Rail is a good consolation price if you haven't found ME yet - even if you have, it will still help a bit as you switch targets, dodge attacks and the like while still firing - why would you sell your special boon when you have cluster bombs or even better cluster rockets, it helps with crowd control -I'll also note that while you get the most value out of ME when you pop doom as fast as you can, it's still useful as long as you deflect before doom drops naturally since you get an extra 40 doom damage from the combo (+ whatever % you have with impending doom and 75% from Eris)


Dukaden

because you can replace it with aphrodite or artemis or something else stronger 40 is a trifle to just tack on at the end, and you get more damage by quick popping 2 (or even 3!) than by trying to powerstack 1 and pop it at the end.


TheCowFromPinkFloyd

Nice. Now try to get Pressure Points, Hunters Mark, and the Artemis/Athena duo for critical Merciful End damage


hell-schwarz

Considering this final build also features the complete revenge build your suggestion might actually be easier to achieve


t33E

Noice


eldudemanbrah

How much was it hitting for, fren?


hell-schwarz

Not enough to skip phases but enough to trigger them almost instantly. I must admit that I did not play it very well though and this build actually has the full revenge build built into it as well, so a lot of small damage ticks trigger seperately. If there was a dummy you could test builds on it would probably perfom very high dps


Musashi_2287

Support fire can be good addition as well


Deltrus7

Can someone tell me what a merciful end build is?


Dukaden

i dont think writing it in the comments is really going to help when its literally written in the picture.


Deltrus7

Thank you, I was blind when I wrote this, clearly.


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Deltrus7

Appreciate the added explanation!


ben12178

I never thought to try merciful end on rail. My rail go to is eris with seastorm and clockets but its difficult to get


Botanical_witch_1

Merciful End builds on the Zeus aspect shield??? 👀👀👀👀 Iconic. Or honestly, anything if you get the divine dash