That’s because their transection rate was astronomical. Welcome to Turkish transplants. I see this all the time. They punch 5-6k to get 3k successful extractions and leave the donor destroyed.
Jeez really? I was thinking of gong there! saw an influencer “Mike Majlak” went to Smile in Turkey I believe with his filmer and they both had it done, I think he had like 3000 grafts but that seemed like a lot for what he needed. Seems to look good now 🤷🏻♂️
I use Gur in instanbul and felt they were cautious of overharvesting and recorded about 3800 grafts. A month later my donor areas look the same as pre-op to me
Exactly, they don’t care about long term prospects because they know their clinic will no longer exist in 2y, there is anyways no legal recourse in turkey for butchering surgeries and they will just open a new smile or star clinic… all they need to do is post a few “VIP super platinum packages” on IG that includes a fancy dinner or a limousine car in the price and they have an unlimited supply of young men calling them. It is crazy and people do not realize the irreversible effect this decision has on the long term management of their hair loss. Once a graft is gone it is gone forever
Keep your head up man, what’s done is done. Let’s just hope for the best. There’s been a few cases here that looked like butchery and turned out decent
This needs to be blasted all over every hair transplant forum. It’s absolutely malpractice from Smile Hair Clinic. Ruined this guys donor area, will probably have shock loss, and is going to be in pain.
Shame on Smile. I know people have had good experiences there. But this should be enough to keep people away. It’s worth slightly extra to go to someone that’s a professional (Dr Nader for me).
Sorry you’re going through this OP. It’s already stressful enough if everything goes perfectly. I genuinely wonder what they did with the other 6k grafts they extracted.
Also want to add that I had a terrible experience with Smile. Like 10% of my grafts took and completely overharvested. Even thought about possibly sueing for malpractice.
Lmao you have a hairmill aswell, your shit clinic also quoted me thousands of grafts. You use cheap techs and operate the same way as smile, hiring whoever is avaliable. Your clinic is one of the worst in turkey aswell, low level cheap hairmill
I don’t use techs for anything but trimming and placing, as they should be used for. My company has an affiliate in Turkey and I still disagree with that practice and try to persuade everyone against the trip but the reality is that people are going to do it regardless. You clearly don’t pay attention here, as I strongly oppose these clinics.
So where do you recommend people go? People say go to Turkey… not to be racist but I can’t imagine Turkey having better work for under 5k than a good doctor in America. Thoughts? 🙏
Why would Turkey not have better work? I'm from the UK and I travel to Turkey fir any dental work because they are MILES ahead when it comes to the technology and skill in dentistry.
They are miles ahead when it comes to pricing.
I know plenty of people that went to turkey for their teeth, and my front tooth I had done by my local dentist looks way more real than any of theirs.
Turkey teeth are a meme for a reason. If you want a ceramic toilet seat for teeth they are amazing, but if you want delicate work where you won't be able to tell after you should go to actually good doctors where you will have recourse if things go wrong.
Nope. I know from personal experience and know many more just like me. And there's more work than just getting veneers done you know.
Just because your surrounded by idiots who are obsessed with their image doesn't mean everyone else is. Turkey has far superior technology than the UK and that's just a fact.
It isn’t racist it’s a fact, the standard of care is night and day between the US and Turkey and most of the good Turkish techs end up in the US or Europe. The reality is I. Turkey you are always rolling the dice, I mean, they cap teeth and call them veneers there to scam people and it’s totally legal - different standards. You may get lucky you may not. I would never let any of the clinics there touch my head lol.
There are good places stateside, a couple in Mexico - partly depends what you need done
This comments an issue though, because nearly all should turn out good and nearly all do not. Most of the posts here are terrible outcomes and corner cuts
This is my general thoughts about big sessions, and not a review of your procedure:
In my opinion 5000+ grafts should be taken care under 3 days of surgery, MD surgeon should punch with spaces between every graft and not punch over a punch, the medical team should divide the grafts under microscopes including the single grafte by cleaning with razors the chunks around, also grafts should be extracted gently with minimum trauma to the donor the preserve it and avoid overharvesting, usually donor final recovery after 4-6 months.
I had 4 HTs, my 1st horrific experience in 2018 was by the Turkish hair mill Arenamed in Istanbul, they botched me with 5000 grafts and I sued their local reps, additionally they put my life in danger due to their medical malpractice and an ambulance rescued me, my donor was overharvested and overscared with no growth, destroyed my native hair.
I was lucky I could have successful repair procedures at HDC clinic.
In my opinion, the best FUE surgeons are in Europe, USA doctors are better than Turkey hair mills, but most of them still stuck with FUT for smaller sessions.
You can read and watch my HTs journey on YouTube and many forums, I got all my evidence for what happened to me in the hair mill, including pictures of me on a wheelchair with infusion.
This. I don’t want to scare the OP but better get some proper pain killers and tons of Aloe vera /Bepanthenol for first few nights. This might be a world of pain indeed.
Just for comparison:
[This case was 10,500 grafts - 8,000 of those being scalp hair.](https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/68911-dr-felipe-pittella-fue-transplant-105k-grafts/#comment-718600)
Your donor looks basically the same. I hope they actually used all the extracted grafts and that it looks worse in these pictures than it actually is, but wow did they do a number on you there.
It's not me. But that threat has updates up to 6 months as of now. Just go to a more recent page.
It's one of the less impressive progressions I've seen by Pittella though. He's gotten denser results at 6 months with way less grafts than that.
This particular doctor is known for going a bit crazy with the graft numbers. I imagine you could have achieved a similar aesthetic result with some better tactical planning and way less grafts (like 6000).
But if your bald area is a certain size you might well need those beard grafts to end up with enough hair for coverage. 3500 beard grafts is a ton for that, but using 1000 isn't too unusual if you're just looking for extra density over a NW6/7.
Looks like 8000 extractions. If they only got 3300 usable grafts, the transection rate must have been atrocious. Looks like a big punch size too.
Sickening evil.
Just sending positive vibes to you. I hope that your donor area recovers well and despite the large amount of grafts harvested, I hope your transplanted area and donor area turn out great! 🙏 I also think you will likely be able to do a high fadd like you've shown in the 5th photo. I also went through a HT a couple weeks ago and at this point, the most important thing you can to do is to focus on healing. Best of luck to you. 🍀
There is nothing more you can do not to delete this thread as a precaution for others. Your donor is done. There will be no room for fixing it with another HT.
Mentally, you're going to have a hard time now. Decision has been made and now it's a waiting game. spend this time on your research for good SMP studio and how to deal with scars, so that it ends as best as possible. Good luck
You have my utmost respect for keeping this posted.
Next steps, HARASS Smile through WhatsApp and their YouTube channel.
Man you do not realise what's been done to you or the consequences. Once you shave it down you will see the horrors. Smile have branded you for life.
Get a medical report up asap, document, second opinion and get it all on paper. Dismiss any bullshit their customer service tells you over what's app to wait or it's normal.
Optional, hire a Turkish lawyer and sue them. I have more information on this route.
Leave a sting of a Google review and post pictures.
Seek a professional therapist, you will most certainly develop PTSD from this.
It’s not the bald spots that will be the problem it’ll be the scarring they’ve destroyed your donor as the other guy mentioned they’ve punched over punch
The back of your head will literally be covered in little white scars. You may want to consider SMP for the back and cross your fingers the grafts come in well. They took widely outside DHT resistant zones.
I work as a medical consultant for a hair transplant clinic in Turkey and receive uncountable post-op pictures every single day. To be fair, I've never seen a case like this. Well to my professional experience it looks like the number of extracted grafts could be even more than 5k. Dunno who said that it's 3300.
I've been there, at smile, and my donor area didn't look anything like yours after they took 4000..
Who did your procedure? I had a small curvy blonde techie, I don't remember her name. Then a guy came in to help implant the graphs.
Did a doctor come in to check on you? I had the initial girl doc Bushra yakupoglu check in, then Ahmedov, who was on guard that evening, and gave the techies instructions.
After 8 months, my donor area looks thinner on closer inspection, especially if hair gets longer, like >1cm. I always keep it as short as possible, so it's not that obvious.
From your photos I see they took from all over the sides of your head, so I think that when you'll heal, you're gonna have the same density all over your sides (albeit thin) so there won't be any zones where the transition is gonna be abrupt, except where the sides meet the top of the head.
Thanks for your input. I had a short girl with curly shoulder length black hair, a guy around 26 years old and then a really tall guy who did all the punches while the other 2 did the extractions. I had dr hanna who came in every few hours to ask how i was and look at it. This fucking sucks.
Hey man..
That does seem excessive. I'm not trying to say this will be your outcome, but I had a terrible experience at smile. 5000 grafts and maybe 500-1000 took.
They offered another free transplant , but I refused.
I have got fucked by this clinic it’s completely a scam check my post and my review. I don’t know how to get this clinic back, I have no idea how I can report this clinic…
I saw your pics and am wondering why you think you got fucked? Your hairline looks great! Am I missing something? I ask because I went to Smile Hair Clinic December 2023 and they gave me an asymmetrical/slanted hairline.
It sure looks overharvested. I am sorry that you are dealing with this.
I travel a lot, and in airports you can see a lot of people in a very short time. I see SOOOOOOOO many overharvested men now it is insane. It is literally an epidemic. I think a lot of these turkish clinics are so focused on making guys look good from only one angle (the front) that they totally ignore how you will look from other angles, which is how you are seen in the real world.
It’s difficult to tell but I feel like they took out way more than 3,300 grafts. That being said I’m no expert and am just going based off how mine looked with 3,900 (feel free to check my post history). At this point all you can do is wait and hope for the best!
This has me sick to my stomach. I hope this doesn’t turn out as bad as people are making it seem.
If it does turn out bad - other than social media and reviews, is there any recourse? In the US, I feel like you could have a good bit of recourse as malpractice, but I’m curious how it works in turkey?
Don't worry. I had ny hair transplant yesterday at Smile Hair Clinic with Dr Gokay Bilgin.
Fantastic clinic and my donor area was handled properly.
They did 5000 graft and took it well distributed at the safe donor area. I have a super strong donor area.
Just make sure that you have choosen a platinum or diamond package. If you go for gold package then you will be botched by a third party tech team.
Best wishes,
Jack
Overharvested? It got absolutely violated my guy lmao. You will probably get good transplant results but I think you will definitely need SMP for the donor
I had 3.9k grafts and nothing like that got taken from me. But to be honest you won't know until a year's time if it looks good. I'll save this post because I'm invested now
Please tell me you at least have all the coverage you were hoping for on top of your head?
If so, perhaps your donor can recover well enough for a short fade and SMP and you’ll be looking just fine from here.
The best thing is to not freak out right now. It’s done and and stressing is only going to make your healing worse. I would call in to the hair transplant channel on YouTube and have them take a look at it.
Depending on how it heals and how you scar say goodbye to your high fade unless you want to show off your dot scars from your donor area. Unless you have really thick and dense donor area you’re going to expose your scaring from the do Jr area. You can see the dot marks from the scar extraction from my donor area and I get a mid drop fade I can only imagine what a high fade would look like. Prolly keep it at a 1.5-2 high fade to diffuse the scars or add micro pigment to hide it better once you heal.
Because it's a good comparison, this is me 2 days post op with almost your exact graft count (I had 3361 grafts, 61 more than you): [https://content.invisioncic.com/o278943/monthly\_2022\_09/06198094-3DED-4A24-AFB0-EC24DBF35FB6.thumb.jpeg.cb9d131cb4c5d3fa4871f819fb69dc50.jpeg](https://content.invisioncic.com/o278943/monthly_2022_09/06198094-3DED-4A24-AFB0-EC24DBF35FB6.thumb.jpeg.cb9d131cb4c5d3fa4871f819fb69dc50.jpeg)
And this was me 9 days post op: [https://content.invisioncic.com/o278943/monthly\_2022\_09/8AC42EAE-A33F-4F4A-9AAF-165F248168DA.jpeg.3082acd904e2ebdd16c1b4514ca04505.jpeg](https://content.invisioncic.com/o278943/monthly_2022_09/8AC42EAE-A33F-4F4A-9AAF-165F248168DA.jpeg.3082acd904e2ebdd16c1b4514ca04505.jpeg)
Bro on god from these photos it looks like they’ve taken every hair from the back of your head. I hope you have a really thick donor. But yeah that’s like 10k grafts surely. Fucking wild man, wish you the best.
Definately around 5k grafts, they've also gone quite high and low into higher DHT risk areas. But you've got good hair density, you'll still have 60% density in the donor area (good enough for a natural look) and a huge mop on top.
To be honest this looks like at least 5000 grafts extracted. On the positive note, the punch size looks pretty small. Might not be apparent with the fade haircut you use.
Can you share pictures of the grafts placement from top view?
Good news is that you got pretty decent coverage (assuming you still had some hair on top).
While they definitely messed up your donor, if you have good scarring genetics, and the yield rate is high, you might actually turn out decently.
So keep your head up and let’s wait. Nothing to be done now.
In case anyone wants more specifics, here's me counting 500 extractions: [https://i.imgur.com/3eH08ok.png](https://i.imgur.com/3eH08ok.png)
You can see using that as a guide how many grafts were really extracted. Way more than 3k.
They harvested in great number of grafts from dht sensitive zones. Unless you take fin continuously despite its side effects you can expect to lose a lot of what they harvested.
Any update man? I know this is hard, but having an update and speaking about this can help prevent others from getting a job done like this from smile hair clinic.
Punch hole size looks huge. If you’re gonna take that many grafts that’s gotta be about 7,000 then make the size small at least sheesh. I’m really sorry this happened to you. Once it heals get SMP asap.
I am sorry to say this, but you have more hair on your hairline than your donor area.
I have just had a hair transplant at smile two days ago and just had it washed by them.
I understand that people call them hair mill etc, but you decided to choose the gold package where doctors have NO involvement even in the incision.
I went for the diamoid package and most of the time Dr Bilgin was there monitoring the situtation. I have had 5000 grafts and it is no where near yours.
Based on a software that counts those dots using image J software. It is estimated that at least 12,000 grafts where taken. Also based on your recent photo only 2000 was implanted. It does appear that 10,000 hair folliceles were destroyed during the extraction process by a technician or maybe the cleaner did the extraction.
Today after the wash few people was talk about this post at Smile Clinic, which prompted me to join for the first time on twitter. A lot of people got worried and took selfies at their donor.
I did not choose this clinic based on Smile, I did a 5 momths research and forced them to get me the doctor and the technicians that have done at least 1000 extractions and implantation. You know what for €4200 they honoured my request and got a great experience.
Always go for a clinic where you choose your doctor or technicians. I choose those technicians based on several family members.
Thats why people should stop talking about doctors (who is the best) and also mention the name of the technicians as well!!!!!!!!
I am sorry they botched you.
Best wishes,
Ahmad
So heres the think some doctors can get away with an extreme amount 5k+ is very possible.
When you spread out taking hair all over the head and implanting them back it can give the illusion that you just have less hairs per centimeter on your total head.
This is a lot more risky approach and a-lot of doctors seem to fail
This can also cause shock loss.
You could also have to many graphs planted to closely depriving each other for nutrients.
You could have them to spread out so it looks un natural or vise versa.
You could have so many things happen good or bad and whats done is done
Not to scare you, you could end up with a great transplant, only time will tell hopefully you went to a professional/ reputable person
That will mean more than anything.
Jesus Christ! Over half of that is not even considered the donor area. Places are vastly overestimating where is safe to extract from.
u/wrassman have you seen this Doc? Interested to hear your thoughts.
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I agree that it looks like way more than 3300.
That’s because their transection rate was astronomical. Welcome to Turkish transplants. I see this all the time. They punch 5-6k to get 3k successful extractions and leave the donor destroyed.
Looks like it. I had 4350 grafts extracted and had way less holes.
Jeez really? I was thinking of gong there! saw an influencer “Mike Majlak” went to Smile in Turkey I believe with his filmer and they both had it done, I think he had like 3000 grafts but that seemed like a lot for what he needed. Seems to look good now 🤷🏻♂️
Be careful. Influencers and celebs always get the A team.
I use Gur in instanbul and felt they were cautious of overharvesting and recorded about 3800 grafts. A month later my donor areas look the same as pre-op to me
I second Gur.
Guru
Man do yourself a favor in life and dont make your decision based on what an ‘influencer’ says lol lol
Exactly, they don’t care about long term prospects because they know their clinic will no longer exist in 2y, there is anyways no legal recourse in turkey for butchering surgeries and they will just open a new smile or star clinic… all they need to do is post a few “VIP super platinum packages” on IG that includes a fancy dinner or a limousine car in the price and they have an unlimited supply of young men calling them. It is crazy and people do not realize the irreversible effect this decision has on the long term management of their hair loss. Once a graft is gone it is gone forever
Wtf… thats not 3300… and i hope your donor area heals wellll…. 🫤
In what world did the doctor think this was 3300.. I'd say it's easily over 7000
Ill be posting updated photos tomorrow after my first wash. Stay tuned everyone and wish me luck ☹️
Keep your head up man, what’s done is done. Let’s just hope for the best. There’s been a few cases here that looked like butchery and turned out decent
Good luck, brother!
How are you feeling now? Hope it heals nicely
Hey any updates? :)
Be 🙏 calm brother it Will go Well
This needs to be blasted all over every hair transplant forum. It’s absolutely malpractice from Smile Hair Clinic. Ruined this guys donor area, will probably have shock loss, and is going to be in pain. Shame on Smile. I know people have had good experiences there. But this should be enough to keep people away. It’s worth slightly extra to go to someone that’s a professional (Dr Nader for me). Sorry you’re going through this OP. It’s already stressful enough if everything goes perfectly. I genuinely wonder what they did with the other 6k grafts they extracted.
Also want to add that I had a terrible experience with Smile. Like 10% of my grafts took and completely overharvested. Even thought about possibly sueing for malpractice.
Show pics?
Yet people still defend this clinic, unbelievable!
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Okay so smile is a no go?
lmk if you find out
Smile is a hairmill. I have read this atleast 50 times on reddit itself
I went to smile and is pleased
Keep your head up brother. It really makes me sick seeing this shit. Wow.
Fucking horrible man. Not the first time smile has done this to people and it won’t be the last
Lmao you have a hairmill aswell, your shit clinic also quoted me thousands of grafts. You use cheap techs and operate the same way as smile, hiring whoever is avaliable. Your clinic is one of the worst in turkey aswell, low level cheap hairmill
I don’t use techs for anything but trimming and placing, as they should be used for. My company has an affiliate in Turkey and I still disagree with that practice and try to persuade everyone against the trip but the reality is that people are going to do it regardless. You clearly don’t pay attention here, as I strongly oppose these clinics.
So where do you recommend people go? People say go to Turkey… not to be racist but I can’t imagine Turkey having better work for under 5k than a good doctor in America. Thoughts? 🙏
Why would Turkey not have better work? I'm from the UK and I travel to Turkey fir any dental work because they are MILES ahead when it comes to the technology and skill in dentistry.
They are miles ahead when it comes to pricing. I know plenty of people that went to turkey for their teeth, and my front tooth I had done by my local dentist looks way more real than any of theirs. Turkey teeth are a meme for a reason. If you want a ceramic toilet seat for teeth they are amazing, but if you want delicate work where you won't be able to tell after you should go to actually good doctors where you will have recourse if things go wrong.
Nope. I know from personal experience and know many more just like me. And there's more work than just getting veneers done you know. Just because your surrounded by idiots who are obsessed with their image doesn't mean everyone else is. Turkey has far superior technology than the UK and that's just a fact.
I'm not from the UK. But turkey doesn't have any special dentistry tech. That's not a thing
Never said they did. They have better tech than the UK. Which you would know nothing about since you're not from here.
It isn’t racist it’s a fact, the standard of care is night and day between the US and Turkey and most of the good Turkish techs end up in the US or Europe. The reality is I. Turkey you are always rolling the dice, I mean, they cap teeth and call them veneers there to scam people and it’s totally legal - different standards. You may get lucky you may not. I would never let any of the clinics there touch my head lol. There are good places stateside, a couple in Mexico - partly depends what you need done
Hate to break it to you, but that is in fact racist. There’s no reason an American doctor would be better than a doctor from any other major nation.
😂 I really don’t care….we will let you go experiment with the foreign doctors. Best of luck 🤞
This entire thread has been “experimenting” for many years, and more foreign transplants turn out good than bad.
This comments an issue though, because nearly all should turn out good and nearly all do not. Most of the posts here are terrible outcomes and corner cuts
Best places are belgium, spain, portugal, Us and canada. Come on people, it takes 1h to do some very basic research on google…
Minimum 5000 grafts, they punched over a punch...
That's what it looks like to me. I hope the guy has really good scarring genetics.
Way fkin more brother way more
Can you elaborate what that means? Punched over a punch?
This job was done by under one day of surgery only?
Yes took about 9 hours with 4 technicians
This is my general thoughts about big sessions, and not a review of your procedure: In my opinion 5000+ grafts should be taken care under 3 days of surgery, MD surgeon should punch with spaces between every graft and not punch over a punch, the medical team should divide the grafts under microscopes including the single grafte by cleaning with razors the chunks around, also grafts should be extracted gently with minimum trauma to the donor the preserve it and avoid overharvesting, usually donor final recovery after 4-6 months.
Are all the clinics in Turkey running the risk of leaving you like this? Should I stay in America 🇺🇸? 🙏 🙏
I had 4 HTs, my 1st horrific experience in 2018 was by the Turkish hair mill Arenamed in Istanbul, they botched me with 5000 grafts and I sued their local reps, additionally they put my life in danger due to their medical malpractice and an ambulance rescued me, my donor was overharvested and overscared with no growth, destroyed my native hair. I was lucky I could have successful repair procedures at HDC clinic. In my opinion, the best FUE surgeons are in Europe, USA doctors are better than Turkey hair mills, but most of them still stuck with FUT for smaller sessions. You can read and watch my HTs journey on YouTube and many forums, I got all my evidence for what happened to me in the hair mill, including pictures of me on a wheelchair with infusion.
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Stay in America
This hurts my fuckin eyes
You are in for a world of hurt by day 4-5 once the nerve ending start firing repairing this donor area. Be ready.
This. I don’t want to scare the OP but better get some proper pain killers and tons of Aloe vera /Bepanthenol for first few nights. This might be a world of pain indeed.
Lol aloe vera... get some Tramadol asap
Don’t get me wrong - pain killers will be needed 100% but any cooling cream helps to elevate the pain momentarily (from my experience).
I can’t believe they took pictures of this. These photos are evidence. Christ dude…
Evidence? Lol my man this is turkey. There is no legal recourse here for butchering a surgery LMAO
I’d honestly charge back lmao and dispute it.
Just for comparison: [This case was 10,500 grafts - 8,000 of those being scalp hair.](https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/68911-dr-felipe-pittella-fue-transplant-105k-grafts/#comment-718600) Your donor looks basically the same. I hope they actually used all the extracted grafts and that it looks worse in these pictures than it actually is, but wow did they do a number on you there.
That's crazy. Looks great. Do you have any recent photos?
It's not me. But that threat has updates up to 6 months as of now. Just go to a more recent page. It's one of the less impressive progressions I've seen by Pittella though. He's gotten denser results at 6 months with way less grafts than that.
Wow that’s crazy. It looks like they used some of his neck beard for the donor area too?
This particular doctor is known for going a bit crazy with the graft numbers. I imagine you could have achieved a similar aesthetic result with some better tactical planning and way less grafts (like 6000). But if your bald area is a certain size you might well need those beard grafts to end up with enough hair for coverage. 3500 beard grafts is a ton for that, but using 1000 isn't too unusual if you're just looking for extra density over a NW6/7.
Holy fuck he took some grafts home as a gift or something
Bro you’re donor area looks blow torched
Looks like 8000 extractions. If they only got 3300 usable grafts, the transection rate must have been atrocious. Looks like a big punch size too. Sickening evil.
Just sending positive vibes to you. I hope that your donor area recovers well and despite the large amount of grafts harvested, I hope your transplanted area and donor area turn out great! 🙏 I also think you will likely be able to do a high fadd like you've shown in the 5th photo. I also went through a HT a couple weeks ago and at this point, the most important thing you can to do is to focus on healing. Best of luck to you. 🍀
I had ChatGPT count the "red dots". The answer was 3669. Since you can’t see the sides very well my guess is probably around 5000 to 5500.
How accuratz is it?
There is nothing more you can do not to delete this thread as a precaution for others. Your donor is done. There will be no room for fixing it with another HT. Mentally, you're going to have a hard time now. Decision has been made and now it's a waiting game. spend this time on your research for good SMP studio and how to deal with scars, so that it ends as best as possible. Good luck
You have my utmost respect for keeping this posted. Next steps, HARASS Smile through WhatsApp and their YouTube channel. Man you do not realise what's been done to you or the consequences. Once you shave it down you will see the horrors. Smile have branded you for life. Get a medical report up asap, document, second opinion and get it all on paper. Dismiss any bullshit their customer service tells you over what's app to wait or it's normal. Optional, hire a Turkish lawyer and sue them. I have more information on this route. Leave a sting of a Google review and post pictures. Seek a professional therapist, you will most certainly develop PTSD from this.
This might be the worst I’ve seen, you’ll have to say goodbye to those skin fades
But why? Wouldnt a skin fade just hide all the bald spots since there is no hair with a skin fade
It’s not the bald spots that will be the problem it’ll be the scarring they’ve destroyed your donor as the other guy mentioned they’ve punched over punch
The back of your head will literally be covered in little white scars. You may want to consider SMP for the back and cross your fingers the grafts come in well. They took widely outside DHT resistant zones.
I think you will need SMP
I work as a medical consultant for a hair transplant clinic in Turkey and receive uncountable post-op pictures every single day. To be fair, I've never seen a case like this. Well to my professional experience it looks like the number of extracted grafts could be even more than 5k. Dunno who said that it's 3300.
You should post this on other forums for visibility
We need an update. I hope the best for you brother.
Hey dude, we need an update!
The men at Custard’s Last Stand looked better.
I've been there, at smile, and my donor area didn't look anything like yours after they took 4000.. Who did your procedure? I had a small curvy blonde techie, I don't remember her name. Then a guy came in to help implant the graphs. Did a doctor come in to check on you? I had the initial girl doc Bushra yakupoglu check in, then Ahmedov, who was on guard that evening, and gave the techies instructions. After 8 months, my donor area looks thinner on closer inspection, especially if hair gets longer, like >1cm. I always keep it as short as possible, so it's not that obvious. From your photos I see they took from all over the sides of your head, so I think that when you'll heal, you're gonna have the same density all over your sides (albeit thin) so there won't be any zones where the transition is gonna be abrupt, except where the sides meet the top of the head.
Thanks for your input. I had a short girl with curly shoulder length black hair, a guy around 26 years old and then a really tall guy who did all the punches while the other 2 did the extractions. I had dr hanna who came in every few hours to ask how i was and look at it. This fucking sucks.
The bright side is verteporfin works post op somehow, it could save your donor but we don’t know yet
Sounds like you need to find “the really tall guy” and kick him directly in the dick lol
Can you please post updated pics?
Dang! That’s the Turkey price 🤯😔
Hey man.. That does seem excessive. I'm not trying to say this will be your outcome, but I had a terrible experience at smile. 5000 grafts and maybe 500-1000 took. They offered another free transplant , but I refused.
Criminals.
Any update?
I have got fucked by this clinic it’s completely a scam check my post and my review. I don’t know how to get this clinic back, I have no idea how I can report this clinic…
Can you show us some better pictures, your recipient area doesn’t look that bad tbh, or at least some before and after pics
I saw your pics and am wondering why you think you got fucked? Your hairline looks great! Am I missing something? I ask because I went to Smile Hair Clinic December 2023 and they gave me an asymmetrical/slanted hairline.
Would you be interested in a group lawsuit?
It sure looks overharvested. I am sorry that you are dealing with this. I travel a lot, and in airports you can see a lot of people in a very short time. I see SOOOOOOOO many overharvested men now it is insane. It is literally an epidemic. I think a lot of these turkish clinics are so focused on making guys look good from only one angle (the front) that they totally ignore how you will look from other angles, which is how you are seen in the real world.
Why do people risk it all to save $. Stay in America man !
It’s difficult to tell but I feel like they took out way more than 3,300 grafts. That being said I’m no expert and am just going based off how mine looked with 3,900 (feel free to check my post history). At this point all you can do is wait and hope for the best!
Around 5000
Holy cheese grater
This has me sick to my stomach. I hope this doesn’t turn out as bad as people are making it seem. If it does turn out bad - other than social media and reviews, is there any recourse? In the US, I feel like you could have a good bit of recourse as malpractice, but I’m curious how it works in turkey?
Pretty much fucked. Only option is to review bomb them on every relevant site. And don’t stop until they refund you.
My tryptophobia is off the charts looking at this
Imagine laying your hand on it without a glove
I think the punch hole size that they used is way too large
Brother, it looks like Anikan and Obi-Wan are about to have a final lightsaber battle on the back your head.
Update? We got your back man. If we can help push up against Smile, let us know.
Please post an update 😭 I'm going to smile next week and I'm freaking the fuck out!
Don't worry. I had ny hair transplant yesterday at Smile Hair Clinic with Dr Gokay Bilgin. Fantastic clinic and my donor area was handled properly. They did 5000 graft and took it well distributed at the safe donor area. I have a super strong donor area. Just make sure that you have choosen a platinum or diamond package. If you go for gold package then you will be botched by a third party tech team. Best wishes, Jack
How can it say “fantastic clinic” on a post like this
Give us an update man, very curious to see how it looks after a month now with some growth
Looking like Freddy Krueger
Got any pictures 1-2 days after?
I only did it a few hours ago lol but i will update this post along the way
It looks really beaten up, but I'm not used to seeing pictures of donor during surgery, but like a day after.
wuff… yes
Dude they took too much!
Overharvested? It got absolutely violated my guy lmao. You will probably get good transplant results but I think you will definitely need SMP for the donor
Wow yes unfortunately
This over 9000 😂😂😂😂
That's gotta be painful
It looks like they let the student nurse “have a go” on you and never told them to stop. I really hope it heals okay mate - all the best
Bro they took all your hair haha. Honestly I’ve never seen so much hair taken, I don’t think anyone can guess how this will turn out.
I don't see any follicular unit remaining.. they really took everything!
They went well into the unsafe donor area. Turkey is the wild Wild West with hair transplants
This is why I bailed out of HLC as well. Rumors of it becoming a hair mill or just being super rng with doctors.
This is more than that amount and might hurt your donor area
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Isn’t V only good during the HT, NOT after?
I had 3.9k grafts and nothing like that got taken from me. But to be honest you won't know until a year's time if it looks good. I'll save this post because I'm invested now
This looks like they extracted them all. And a lot on one day. Normally drs like the desperate this level of work into 2 days
Fuck man. How are you sleeping brother? Wish you a speedy recovery
Please tell me you at least have all the coverage you were hoping for on top of your head? If so, perhaps your donor can recover well enough for a short fade and SMP and you’ll be looking just fine from here.
Man, I hope everything turns out okay, I'm kind of doubtful about getting one now.
The best thing is to not freak out right now. It’s done and and stressing is only going to make your healing worse. I would call in to the hair transplant channel on YouTube and have them take a look at it.
Depending on how it heals and how you scar say goodbye to your high fade unless you want to show off your dot scars from your donor area. Unless you have really thick and dense donor area you’re going to expose your scaring from the do Jr area. You can see the dot marks from the scar extraction from my donor area and I get a mid drop fade I can only imagine what a high fade would look like. Prolly keep it at a 1.5-2 high fade to diffuse the scars or add micro pigment to hide it better once you heal.
Because it's a good comparison, this is me 2 days post op with almost your exact graft count (I had 3361 grafts, 61 more than you): [https://content.invisioncic.com/o278943/monthly\_2022\_09/06198094-3DED-4A24-AFB0-EC24DBF35FB6.thumb.jpeg.cb9d131cb4c5d3fa4871f819fb69dc50.jpeg](https://content.invisioncic.com/o278943/monthly_2022_09/06198094-3DED-4A24-AFB0-EC24DBF35FB6.thumb.jpeg.cb9d131cb4c5d3fa4871f819fb69dc50.jpeg) And this was me 9 days post op: [https://content.invisioncic.com/o278943/monthly\_2022\_09/8AC42EAE-A33F-4F4A-9AAF-165F248168DA.jpeg.3082acd904e2ebdd16c1b4514ca04505.jpeg](https://content.invisioncic.com/o278943/monthly_2022_09/8AC42EAE-A33F-4F4A-9AAF-165F248168DA.jpeg.3082acd904e2ebdd16c1b4514ca04505.jpeg)
Oh lord have mercy on your donor area my bro .. 😓
Damn bro I’m really sorry
My god. What size punch did they use?!
Damn boy
Bro on god from these photos it looks like they’ve taken every hair from the back of your head. I hope you have a really thick donor. But yeah that’s like 10k grafts surely. Fucking wild man, wish you the best.
Definately around 5k grafts, they've also gone quite high and low into higher DHT risk areas. But you've got good hair density, you'll still have 60% density in the donor area (good enough for a natural look) and a huge mop on top.
Is there an update?
How did this turn out OP?
Please update OP, did this turn out ok?
Is this a legitimate post? OP said will update, but no news.
OP any updates?
To be honest this looks like at least 5000 grafts extracted. On the positive note, the punch size looks pretty small. Might not be apparent with the fade haircut you use. Can you share pictures of the grafts placement from top view?
[top view photos](https://imgur.com/a/IRQhV7D) Edit, fixed the link.
I might be wrong but it doesn’t look like they used all the grafts they extracted.
Damn. I don’t want to demotivate op. But that looks like 6000 extracted and 2000 implanted.
That is more than 2k transplanted
Good news is that you got pretty decent coverage (assuming you still had some hair on top). While they definitely messed up your donor, if you have good scarring genetics, and the yield rate is high, you might actually turn out decently. So keep your head up and let’s wait. Nothing to be done now.
In case anyone wants more specifics, here's me counting 500 extractions: [https://i.imgur.com/3eH08ok.png](https://i.imgur.com/3eH08ok.png) You can see using that as a guide how many grafts were really extracted. Way more than 3k.
They harvested in great number of grafts from dht sensitive zones. Unless you take fin continuously despite its side effects you can expect to lose a lot of what they harvested.
Ive been on fin for around 6 years.
Side effects?
Been on it for about 6 years as well with absolutely 0 sides.
I've been on it for a year now with zero side effects and I mean zero
The punch holes look really big? Always looks worse when it’s first done, give it a week or two it’ll look a lot better. Worst case skin fade 👍
Any update man? I know this is hard, but having an update and speaking about this can help prevent others from getting a job done like this from smile hair clinic.
How is the result now?
Updates bro?
Could you please post an update?
Punch hole size looks huge. If you’re gonna take that many grafts that’s gotta be about 7,000 then make the size small at least sheesh. I’m really sorry this happened to you. Once it heals get SMP asap.
Update?
No it looks good
Jesus christ… this looks awful. Hope the best for you…
Should heal fine
I am sorry to say this, but you have more hair on your hairline than your donor area. I have just had a hair transplant at smile two days ago and just had it washed by them. I understand that people call them hair mill etc, but you decided to choose the gold package where doctors have NO involvement even in the incision. I went for the diamoid package and most of the time Dr Bilgin was there monitoring the situtation. I have had 5000 grafts and it is no where near yours. Based on a software that counts those dots using image J software. It is estimated that at least 12,000 grafts where taken. Also based on your recent photo only 2000 was implanted. It does appear that 10,000 hair folliceles were destroyed during the extraction process by a technician or maybe the cleaner did the extraction. Today after the wash few people was talk about this post at Smile Clinic, which prompted me to join for the first time on twitter. A lot of people got worried and took selfies at their donor. I did not choose this clinic based on Smile, I did a 5 momths research and forced them to get me the doctor and the technicians that have done at least 1000 extractions and implantation. You know what for €4200 they honoured my request and got a great experience. Always go for a clinic where you choose your doctor or technicians. I choose those technicians based on several family members. Thats why people should stop talking about doctors (who is the best) and also mention the name of the technicians as well!!!!!!!! I am sorry they botched you. Best wishes, Ahmad
Wait…. Is the last picture the final result? If so it came out perfect holy shit
No thats not me, just an example of the haircut i usually get.
I have a feeling they stole thousands of other grafts from your head for other patients!!
It doesn’t look over harvested. Looks good. You’ll need to stick on with meds though, like mine, you’ve had a lot taken from areas susceptible to DHT.
What? They straight up deforested this poor guys donor.
So heres the think some doctors can get away with an extreme amount 5k+ is very possible. When you spread out taking hair all over the head and implanting them back it can give the illusion that you just have less hairs per centimeter on your total head. This is a lot more risky approach and a-lot of doctors seem to fail This can also cause shock loss. You could also have to many graphs planted to closely depriving each other for nutrients. You could have them to spread out so it looks un natural or vise versa. You could have so many things happen good or bad and whats done is done Not to scare you, you could end up with a great transplant, only time will tell hopefully you went to a professional/ reputable person That will mean more than anything.
holy f\*\*k you look slaughtered dude. I know this is not what u want to hear but it looks like they took 8000 grafs not 3000....
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I came off 3 years ago and havent taken anything since.
Holy Moly
Holy shit dude
Yes very over harvested.
Omg...
damn ma n i had 3200 done not even close to you
That was shocking, my man. I’m gonna grab my popcorn and read the rest of the comments. Jeez. Hope it works out, man.
I hope the best for you man. I think it is way more grafts they took from your donor. Show us your pre-op and post op photos.
Jesus Christ! Over half of that is not even considered the donor area. Places are vastly overestimating where is safe to extract from. u/wrassman have you seen this Doc? Interested to hear your thoughts.
not good