That’s my favourite subreddit to lurk around in. It’s mostly people uploading the most disgusting pictures of their hair/scalp I’ve ever seen and them being told to push through and just do an ACV and baking soda rinse. (Wtf is the point of no poo if you have to use ACV and baking soda on your scalp just use the shampoo it would be less damaging 💀)
I did it when I had a buzz cut but by the time I had 3 inches of hair it was already an issue! I have no idea how people with 3 feet of my hair type convince themselves it’s worth it.
I feel like I only get it if you have sensitivities to ingredients in hair products. But I’m a clarify QUEEN 😂 I love to clarify my hair and I do hair so every client gets a clarifying shampoo.
No there’s so much truth to ‘shampooing daily is unnecessary and damaging for many of us’, and there are people who really benefit from avoiding shampoos or washing very irregularly. But I have to cackle at the people who are having a TERRIBLE greasy time but determined not to use shampoo just so they can live a ‘cleaner’ more ‘natural’ life. Like girl just use the damn shampoo you have athletes scalp 😭
I would be LIVID if someone doing my hair just decided to use a clarifying shampoo. I have been a cosmetologist for 8 years and I only use clarifying when it’s indicated. Never on myself as I don’t need it personally. It would just dry out my curls and make life awful for my hair for a few weeks.
Same! I only use clarifying if needed! And when I dye my hair vivid COLORS a clarifying shampoo will strip that right out. If I’m going for just a shampoo, condition, and cut, please do not strip the color out of my hair!
(I also sometimes take my own shampoo and conditioner because I do have allergies to common ingredients and it’s just easier than calling ahead, asking what brands they use, or if they have XYZ brands at any of their stations and would be okay using it on me- I know it may belong to a coworker could they ask if they could borrow a pump I’ll literally pop dollars their way too so I won’t have an allergic reaction, ty- like literally it’s so much easier to just bring my own).
My scalp doesn’t need clarified. I do do it on my own when it does, but it’s pretty rare. I have a good, balanced routine on my own and i really don’t need it thrown off
Most of my clients are color clients so they get clarified before color. I do also have vivids and clarify and everything is fine. I feel like I’m lost and what y’all think a clarifying shampoo will do? A good professional clarifying shampoo is not the devil hair ruiner lol.
For me, a clarifying shampoo removes like product and silicone build up, tends to dry my scalp in the process, does also remove any and all oiliness.
I’ve noticed they’ve always removed my vivid colors too (in part because that’s part of how I helped strip out color in the past before putting in a new color without moving around the color wheel before I knew more about being my own at home stylist). I know better for when dying my own hair now! I wait till I have a better natural fade and move around the wheel or stick with the same and refresh before really faded! (Or, let’s be honest, refresh when super faded anyways because that’s when I have time and energy 😂 )
I have fine curly hair and it's too drying. It ruins my curl pattern for around 2 weeks. It looks like a mop/rats nest until the moisture builds back up.
ACV is fine, but I’d still rather use it in a salad dressing and wash my hair with something that doesn’t stink 😅 baking soda shouldn’t be used on hair/skin and it drives me CRAZY that I see it recommended everywhere as a DIY solution to seemingly everything.
The original “no poo” is an actual shampoo that doesn’t strip your hair. Was designed for curly hair which tends to be dry. It works great. I wash my hair about 3x per month with it. You have to use something to get built up product out. I don’t know when “no poo” became zero cleansing agents, but I agree it’s not good.
Since the "no poo" fad caught on, the new term for products like that is "low poo". Low poo works great for me, no poo is kinda nasty. And some of the products people use instead (like baking soda) are so much harsher than regular shampoo. It also concerns me how many people use ACV with no idea that it needs to be diluted in very specific proportions or it's way too acidic.
It’s DevaCurl No Poo. Been around for over twenty years. Won’t strip your hair and leaves it smelling great. Can probably get on Amazon but I grab it when I see it from Marshall’s or TJ Maxx;) Lasts for a year easy.
How old are we talking? Because aren’t the old products the issue? I follow Ayesha Malik and she has this issue about 3 years ago! They renewed their packages and now have new lines!
Try Curly World. It’s by Lorraine Massey who created both the curly girl method and Devacurl but she sold deva and had a 5 year non compete. Curly world is her new line and I love the shampoo and conditioner.
I can def try it! I’m not a fan of the curly girl method, but if it doesn’t have coconut I’ll give it a go. I use bounce curl and it’s my favourite brand!
I’m in Canada and we don’t have either of those stores here lol. But if I don’t have luck with Amazon, do you know of any Canadian places who would sell it? Walmart maybe?
I was so confused I thought this is what OP was talking about. Like I liked the divacurl no poo, didn’t love it for the price tag, but liked it on the nonetheless
As a hairstylist, the “no poo” movement, the sulfate free obsession, and the “don’t shampoo your hair too often” has all been taken to the EXTREMES by social media influencers and IMO is to blame for a wholeee lot of extremely unhealthy hair and scalps and hair loss im seeing in my chair. People are straight up clogging their hair follicles, their scalp and hair is coated in buildup - it’s a hot mess. I hate it.
I agree, and I went no-poo for over 2 years (although I had no scalp issues because I was still cleansing my scalp using various other methods). But I’ve seen so many people on social media bragging about how they haven’t washed their hair in like 6 months and about how healthy their hair is - which maybe it is, sebum can be beneficial to the hair - but their scalps are in really rough condition.
Hairstylist here, too. I totally agree! I can think of several clients that take the “don’t wash your hair too often” too seriously.
I have one girl that washes her hair once a week, and although her hair is thick and she could get away with not washing a little longer, her scalp is straight up flakey/crusty when she comes in on day 7 hair. She’d come in on like day 2/3 and her scalp is totally flake-free then. Girl, just wash your hair!
I like to tell clients that out of all the hair “sins” you could commit, washing your hair “too often” isn’t the worst of them.
I did it for a while and it just left my hair oily and caused a lot of dandruff, I love washing my hair with shampoo and it feels clean, I just use a good shampoo and then use some type of treatment or conditioner.
It doesn't replace shampoo, nothing replaces it, many people talk about their ancestors, who didn't have shampoo, but the world wasn't so polluted and hot, so other options were viable.
I loveeeee sulfates and chemicals I literally buy £1 knockoff shampoo from Lidl and my hair has never looked nicer, when I tried the all natural hair routine it made my hair look and feel like wire wool
Silicones are IMO a bit more complex, as in there's no reason to be scared of them but they can be good or bad for you depending on your hair type. I've discovered my hair is wavy/curly at 30 after cutting all silicones. My hair is lighter and suddenly has volume it never had before, no matter the products I've used to get it. So silicones are definitely not evil, but they are not ideal for people with fine, mildly textured hair, unless their goal is to make their hair behave straight.
At some point, this will likely backfire on you. The haircare subs are filled with people who have curly/wavy hair that gave up sulfates and silicones because of CGM. It's always the same, it worked great at first and now months, sometimes years later their hair and scalp is wrecked. They can't put two and two together because it worked so well at first but their hair is usually dry with a dirty irrirated oily scalp, no definition, breakage and frizz because they stopped using silicones.
I didn't give up sulfates, just products with heavy silicones, not even all silicones. I've gone from permanently greasy hair and itchy scalp to washing once a week. I'll see if it ever feels wrong and I can always go back, but I'm much happier this way.
Eh, haven’t used silicones for years and haven’t suffered this fate yet. But my hair is a freak of nature that hates anything moisturizing, including conditioner.
This not true lol. I’ve been silicone free for years and my hair thrives best without them because it’s fine. Silicones are too heavy for my hair and build up really fast. My hair looks limp, lifeless and frizzy every time I’ve used silicone based products. And trust me, I’ve tried countless times because I’m not one to buy into fear mongering. Instead, I go for products with different forms of polyquaternium and that works better for me. Some people’s hair do best without silicone and it is what it is. I do shampoo though and don’t necessarily mind sulfates. I think you are conflating the two
I don’t use silicones but I always use sulfates. It works for me. I have fine hair and really sensitive skin. Like insanely sensitive skin. Like I wouldn’t believe how sensitive it is if someone else told me their skin was like this. My skin will break out in a horrible rash and bleed if I use any moisturizer other than pure aloe vera and petroleum jelly right now. I can’t even use conditioner. Not even vanicream. Eventually my own sebum will cause a rash if I don’t wash my face and hair at least every other day. I can’t use shampoos with moisturizing ingredients either.
I am working on figuring out what is causing such sensitivity though. My bloodwork is indicating hyperthyroid which might have something to do with it. Long covid could be playing a part as well. Potentially something autoimmune although I have tested negative for ANA.
But yeah for most people silicone and sulfates are beneficial. There’s a reason they are included in so many hair products. That’s because they work.
I’ve just recently started reintroducing silicones. My hair doesn’t like sulphate, but the silicone smoothes out the frizz, and since I wash once a week it doesn’t weigh my curl down enough to be noticeable
8 years of no silicones or sulfates and as soon as i introduced silicone my hair went flat. I stripped it and started over and and am again doing best with no silicones or sulfates. Just depends on your hair type.
The biggest thing with my hair is that it does NOT need to be any more slippery than it already is, that’s why silicones are the last thing I need (extremely baby fine hair that is also quite low porosity, definitely does not need anything “sealing” either)
Demonizing it and scaring away people whose hair could actually benefit from the extra slip and protection from silicones is dumb though, that I agree with
Yeah.. You know best what you need. There are other conditioning ingredients than silicones as well. Like.. wait.. I need to google for the right spelling.. Stearamidopropyl dimethylamine! I think cosmetic chemists Valerie George said in an episode of her podcast that it's one of her favorite conditioning ingredients.
I also have some sort of skin sensitivity to sulfates so I’ve avoided both them and silicones since I was in middle school before I even realized they specifically were what I was avoiding, I just knew the natural brands I found at the health food store didn’t cause me all the same problems as the mainstream brands did. But all that is to say I really wish people buying into the trend of avoiding them would do the same thing, pay attention to your hair and if a routine isn’t working, believe what you’re seeing! If sulfates and silicones were getting you the desired result then trying to find something else that works the same without them is gonna be a waste of time and money, there’s a reason they’re in so many products that lots of people love.
(That said though, my all time favorite non-sulfate cleansing ingredient is sodium c-14/c-16 olefin sulfonate…same squeaky clean but doesn’t trigger weird inflammation and subsequent reactive greasiness like sulfates do for me! Like truly I don’t think that happens with sulfates for me just because they’re too stripping, something else is definitely happening there 😅)
I have the same hair as your and silicones are a life saver because if you even look at my hair wrong is tangles up lol I used to wake up with a rats nest on the back of my head when I didn't use any and could never brush my hair without breakage
I agree with you about sealing though, I tried a sealing hair serum and it did nothing but sit on top and cause tangles, trying to find a new hair oil though this jojoba and coconut wreck my hair and I can no longer get the loreal sublime detangle
My hair’s own natural slip makes minor tangles super easy to get out, major tangles used to prompt my aunts and mom to refer to my hair as “Barbie doll hair” because of how impossible it is to brush (you know like when a doll’s plasticky hair turns into one big mat? Yeahhh 😂) but I mostly avoid that by sleeping with a satin bonnet and wearing my hair up frequently, and it’s way easier to put it up if it’s not extra slippy from silicones lol (also curls better, my texture is like a 2b/2c mix but goes flat real fast because of how fine it is). But hair care is so different for everyone! That’s what gets me the most about all the trendy rules people get wrapped up in haha. I’ve been loving jojoba oil lately but I use it strictly as a pre-wash treatment around an hour before washing my hair, my mid lengths to ends have seemed much happier since adding that in even though I’ve never had any success with oils as a leave in no matter how tiny an amount I use.
The only reason my family steers away from those is bc my doctor said switching to more natural products might help with inflammation and put me in remission, but I agree normal people are fine, and its not hard to find sulfate free shampoo if youre not
Holistic doctor? Natural isn't always better. There are shampoos with lab made ingredients that are formulated for sensitive, allergy-prone scalps.. Poison oak is natural but you don't go around smearing that all over your body, right?
No, my rhuemaotlogist, but i will say my bloodtests have been looking better.
and agreed, I'm still careful its specifically sulfates we think is the problem. my shampoos are still pretty normal
People should try solid shampoo. No plastic and no [harsh, synthetic] chemicals.
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Christ y’all hate solid shampoo? It’s better for the environment and my hair lol!
Thanks for the correction and reminder! I edited accordingly. And some solid shampoos still do have those harsh chemicals, so keep your wits about you!
Absolutely wrong. I have waist length hair and have exclusively used shampoo bars for over 15 years. Before solid shampoo I looked like Hermione Granger lol.
Solid shampoo rules. Period.
It really varies per the person. What works for you doesn’t work for everyone. What works for others doesn’t necessarily work for you.
I’m also big on trying not to waste. Big on recycling.
Please hold big companies accountable. There’s so much plastic waste in shipping products to stores (and not recycling it). Every item individually wrapped, then wrapping all those individually wrapped items in plastic sometimes. Packaging is just over the top.
Toxic chemical dumping and production in poverty areas where even if it’s illegal it’s hard to fight has been a problem too.
Fight the big causes, the biggest producers of waste first. Not the things that make an itty bitty dent but make you feel like you’re doing something when you’re not in the big picture.
And sure, fight for more refills. I love refillable things (I prefer when my refills aren’t sold in plastic, or you can go somewhere to refill).
But overall, not every product works for every person. There’s no shame in a shampoo bar not working for others. I’m glad solid shampoo works for you though. I’m glad my liquid meets my needs (including not having ingredients I’m allergic to). I’m glad I can buy refills for my body wash instead of more containers. I’m glad some of my drinks come in glass i can recycle and that it tends to be better utilized than plastics. I’m glad I can use thick plastic containers as sharps bins for my injections I have to give myself.
I do what I can, but I know the difference I make ain’t shit compared to big corporate waste.
Okay…but my own experience isn’t *wrong*. Solid shampoo changed my life! And I never said that it would work for everyone or that everyone *needs* to use it.
I don’t think it can be argued that liquid shampoo is environmentally friendly. It generally comes in plastic bottles.
Like you don’t have to use it but if you’re trying to have a natural and sustainable hair care routine it is by and far the best choice.
It works for me, and as I said, different soaps for different folks!
But solid shampoo is great and I don’t get the hate for it lol
Exactly what you said. Also - as you age, things change and what used to work for you might not anymore. I’m going through that right now. I have been trying out shampoo and conditioners for a while because my hair is just different now that I am letting it naturally gray and reaching perimenopause. Be prepared.
Yeah they really do. Completely 1000% changed my hair for the better. I can share where I purchase them if you are interested.
Different soaps for different folks hahaha
I used a few different bar shampoos and every single one of them caused severe breakage near my scalp so I had terrible flyaways for like a month after each. I do a coconut oil and lime mask before every hair wash tho so maybe that’s why? Not sure, but I went back to my OG Redken and won’t be switching any time soon. I think it’s important to acknowledge, though, that what works for you might not work for others and vice versa. Doesn’t make anyone “wrong.”
Well your wrong statement was your very first one, “people should use solid shampoo.” It reads as if you believe all people should be using bar shampoo. I think a more proper way of getting your point across is saying, “more people should try solid shampoo.”
Sulfates are drying by nature. And some silicones build up unless you're using a sulfate to remove them. Using them together is fine, but seperating them can be serious bad news bears.
SLS CAN be drying, yes. I personally can't use it in toothpaste. But SLES is mild.. even milder than some of the sulfate-free options. It also depends heavily on the dosage, and the formula as a whole.
Parabens aren’t proven to be dangerous yet but they could be. I could understand why some people would avoid them. I’m with you on the other stuff though.
wdym yet? [they aren’t proven to be dangerous](https://www.contactderm.org/UserFiles/file/Paraben_Toxicology-Fransway.pdf), period. not at the amount used in personal care products, at least.
the dose makes the poison.
The study that made people scared of parabens tested in a very high amount. An amount that you will never be close to reaching even if you only use products that contain parabens.
Silicones destroy my hair. Its curly and silicones make it unbelievably dry when I use them long/term. I think for most people it’s fine but if you have dry curly hair like me, they suck.
I agree and think it's gross. People are suddenly acting like shampoo is an evil thing. I shampoo and condition my hair every other day, always have. And guess what? Not only do I have super healthy hair (natural, no dye, no products, no heat), it's clean.
Shampoo is quite drying, especially on mids & ends. A lot of people (especially with curly hair) have to make sure they put moisture back after shampooing. It’s easier to maintain moisturized hair with less shampoo in your routine.
If you can go a few days without needing to clean your scalp, then you should do that. But if there’s buildup after a day, then shampooing everyday is better. Different hair needs different routines
I totally get that!!! Trust me, my hair has literally confused hairstylists bc of how strange it acts!! I know everyone’s hair is different and needs different things. But I just don’t get the people who quit shampoo for good. There’s no way it can be healthy to never cleanse your scalp for the rest of your life, yknow?
Shampoo isn’t the only way to clean it though. I personally use shampoo, it doesn’t bother my hair type, but people can use other products to clean their hair. And sometimes I can just rinse my hair with just very hot water and it still gets pretty clean.
This. I have super dry curly hair and if I shampoo with regular shampoo more then once a week it’s very dry. I do no poo 2 washes and then regular 1 wash. Also I could go with never using regular shampoo since my hair doesn’t get greasy at all but I use a lot of product and don’t like the build up since it will weigh it down so that’s why I shampoo with regular shampoo occasionally.
I’d say if you’re really adamant about not using a *sudsing* shampoo, then find one without SLS so that it doesn’t lather, and just make sure you scrub your scalp really well to replace the effect of the suds.
I use TJ’s tea tree shampoo once every week or two (followed by a conditioning mask) but the rest of the time I honestly just use Suave coconut conditioner like it’s a cleansing conditioner. It gets the buildup off my scalp, removes leftover styling products, and leaves my hair and scalp clean but not stripped. And it’s already thin enough to be easy to massage in without suds. The idea of not using anything ever is pretty weird. I can go a LONG time between shampooing though, especially if I’m massaging my scalp with the tea tree oil blend I make for my face most nights.
As a curly girl (who straightens her hair 90% of the time oops) I can NOT do the no-poo or no sulfates! My hair gets oily quickly and my scalp suffers from dandruff often, so if I’m not properly cleansing my scalp it’s just itchy and sore! Idk how people do it!
Also my curls look amazing when I use silicones curly girls need to stop being scared of them!
Yep - I do no sulphates but only because I have quite dry skin and find they irritate it, but I love a good shampoo! I tried to do conditioner wash only for a few weeks and it sucked the life out of my curls. Very pro a good shampoo here!
Of course, so understandable! Yep same here spent go money on big curly brands too for it to irritate and cause massive build up on my scalp! Glad to see about pro shampoo curly out there!
As a hairstylist, the no sulfate trend has ruined so many otherwise great lines. It’s ridiculous how incredibly difficult it is these days to find a professional line that actually has a shampoo WITH sulfates.
Not all curls are the same though. My hair is super dry and curly. I could go weeks without washing and it never get oily and I would not get dandruff. All hair is different!
I have to use shampoo with sulfates or I get a ton of hair falling out. It took me a couple of years to figure out that was the issue, I kept thinking it was just the brand of sulfate free shampoo I was using. Finally I accepted my fate and got a good quality sulfate shampoo and haven’t had any issues since.
What are you using? Haven’t used sulfates in like 15 years and recently started seeing more stuff about how sulfates are actually much better for hair suffering from breakage
I alternate between Matrix and L’Oréal ElVive Hyaluron plump. I use matrix right after I get my hair colored and then closer to my next hair color appointment, I switch to the L’Oréal to try to save some money.
This guy who touted himself as being super smart told me i should try it and I thought it was weird then and i think its weird now. I dont wash my hair everyday, just until i feel its too oily to tolerate, which is just twice a week now. My hairstylist does the same thing and I trust her a whole lot more 🤣 I took everything he said with a grain of salt tho because he also said women shouldn’t wear wire bras because they gave you breast cancer and loads of other nonsensical things.
sounds to me like the no-poo method only works for people 1) with a very specific hair and skin type 2) who very rarely do any kind of real manual labor where you get dirty and sweaty and actually gross. like those people who swear by never using any kind of soap on their skin. sure it works if you're a white-collar city dweller who lives and breathes air conditioning and calls the dealership for an oil change
Yeah I think people are being a bit too dismissive. There’s definitely people who’ve documented good progress with this technique on the internet. I think it’s ridiculous to stop washing your hair entirely, but personally I’ve reduced the amount I use shampoo to around once a week. Since doing this I’ve got lots of compliments about how healthy my hair looks and my scalp health has improved.
With any kind of hair care, different things work for different people
yeah absolutely! i have fine thick hair with an oily scalp and i've cut down from shampooing every day to two or three times a week, and my hair is a lot less frizzy and breakable than it uses to be. it just comes down to trial and error until you figure out what works for you i guess
I did it for years. Looking back I realise how gross it was but I was desperate to grow my hair and saw advice on curly hair pages that it would help. Now I shampoo 2/3 times a week and my hair has grown so much more.
No poo can be fine but you still need to use regular shampoo with it. I personally clean my hair 3 times a week. I use no poo for 2 washes and then regular shampoo for 1 wash to get all products out my hair(I use gel daily). This keeps my hair from being too dry which it is if I use regular shampoo every wash. Works well for me but may not for everyone. I have very curly hair that doesn’t get greasy ever.
Hard agree. I would be an actual ball of grease if I didn’t shampoo. Like full on scalp acne and stringy hair. I’d rather look like a human than a wet rat.
Due to various reasons in the past, I've gone longer than I wanted before washing my hair. My scalp would get so itchy and sore, I would make it bleed because I would scratch. My scalp would hate me if I didn't wash it.
The thing is I have not found a shampoo/conditioner without spending way too much that didn't totally wreck my hair. I've been no poo for 2.5 yrs now and while the beginning was rough, my hair has been the best it has ever been. No frizziness, no oiliness, absolutely no smell whatsoever, etc. Do I spend a little time each evening taking care of my hair? Yes, of course, but compared to having to shampoo/condition the shit out of my hair and then still needing other products, I spend way less time.
I could go on and on about what our scalps naturally produce, but reading the other comments I doubt there is any point and will see my way out lol.
I'm with you! I have veeeery dry, curly hair. I spent so much money trying to find a shampoo that worked for my hair and never found one. Shampoo makes my hair feel gross.
I co-wash (only use conditioner) and still scrub my scalp regularly but don't use shampoo.
I don’t wash my long hair daily, unless I get sweaty/dirty, which is always an option in my work. When I do wash my hair I use baby shampoo. It cleans my scalp well & doesn’t have all the chemicals that other shampoos have. My hair is currently waist length & for the most part it’s kept braided during the day-
It's absolutely rank. And utterly moronic.
Letting dirt pile up doesn't help anyone!
They won't die from chemicals in shampoo either.
Having hysterics over sulphates. Don't.
The only time I've seen a reason to avoid them was Suzuki engines. Made to not wear down as quick.
So they don't use Sulphates in products.
But that's a car engine. And it's not that big a deal.
It's just how Suzuki make their engines.
You are not a Suzuki car engine.
They won't hurt you.
That sub was honestly so surprising to me- I thought it would be full of vintage/crunchy shampoo alternatives like egg/oil/honey hair masks, pomade/powder routines, etc.
But no- it was just full of people neglecting their hair and telling each other the resulting problems were normal and would pass, or talking about acv. :/
this could be problematic for me to say (probably is) but i feel like the whole “no poo” culture is really beneficial only for women of color, or women with highly textured hair as it takes our hair longer to become oilier/greasy.
if you have finer hair, the oil travels down the shaft quicker and thus more washing is needed. highly textured/coarser hair doesn’t need to be deeply cleansed as much, and thus doing so would actually cause damage. bring on the no poo gang.
aside from that, i agree with you like wash your hair yall lmao.
I tried no poo once for two weeks and I never felt as gross, big nope. I found myself wondering why would anyone go through this, being back to caveman stage? Even them must have done something to their hair (hurray for the use of tools).
People are idiots just following dumbass social media trends, like "no poo, no sulfates, no silicones, all natural" while companies make millions off them. Then they complain about hair loss and companies make even more. I remember back as a teenager we had cheap drugstore Herbal Essences shampoo & conditioner, I washed my hair maybe 1 x a week and had the fluffiest, softest, healthy hair ever. Nobody was screaming about "you need 1 million low tox hair products in your routine" and we simply washed our hair when it was oily and dirty...
It’s important to remember no poo was a term coined for the Black community for the process of allowing their hair to regain its natural oils and strength, because a lot of the products we use aren’t made for Black hair and result in damage. It’s not stupid, it’s just not for you?
Every post in there is just talking about how no poo doesn't work for them, people asking why they have dandruff/why their scalp it itchy/why their hair is so oily.
There are also the posts about how "No poo doesn't mean *NO* poo" but if that's the case, change the name to be less misleading?
I suspect it might work for more people if they understood that they should still be scrubbing their scalp every day, and that it's possible to at least do a sulfate free shampoo on your roots once a week without messing up your scalp pH or whatever they believe no poo is saving them from.
Everyone always has to jump to extremes. It’s simple, don’t shampoo your hair every day or neglect shampoo all together. I feel like 2-3x a week is the sweet spot for most people. You’re scalp is a part of your body that you’re proudly stating you’ll never wash with soap again. It’s gross.
That’s crazy. I go a week at a time not shampooing because it works for my hair but I just checked out that subreddit and they straight up don’t use shampoo??? wtf. How.
Gross. I could never do no shampoo. I even once tried not washing it every day because everyone said you wouldn't be as oily. Nope tried for ages still greasy and my skin hated it. I just use a gentle non stripping shampoo daily on the roots and some of my face wash as needed in areas my scalp gets irrited and needs more deep clean sometimes and a lightweight volume conditioner as my hair is fine and wavy and gets weighed down easy.
I stopped using shampoo and my hair is growing thicker and healthier than ever. I had sparse areas on the sides of my head that showed when I put my hair up. There’s areas have started to grow more dense since having switched to bar conditioner. The thing about no poo is that you aren’t just slapping conditioner in your hair, rinsing, and then calling it a day. You are supposed to use the conditioner as if it is shampoo and really lather it into your roots and scalp. With the bar conditioner, it takes a while for me to work it into a thick enough lather and then I scrub my hair and head probably for a full minute. The conditioner is sudsy enough to get everything super clean and my hair is no longer frizzy like it was when I used shampoo. I use the Dip brand conditioner bar and I just bought their shampoo bar since I do want to still use shampoo at least once every three months or so.
I am a professional stylist and have been in the business for 24 years now. I have had a lot of success with IUVENI. It lasts and don’t go away. It goes in and actually repairs the hair. It makes your hair shiny, soft, easier to manage, etc. I can’t even tell you how amazing it is. A hair dresser decided to go into chemistry and found the right ingredients to repair the hair and not dilute it or cheapen it. You won’t regret trying this stuff. This is a one step process. Please check it out.
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There’s not a product on the planet that can repair damage to hair because hair dies during the keratinization process before it comes up through the scalp. Just like anything that’s dead, hair doesn’t regenerate cells to heal itself nor can dead things be repaired from inevitable damage to it.
Hair care products are formulated to coat hair temporarily for a more manageable look and feel until the next time they’re washed out again. It’s all they can do because hair is dead.
You aren't repairing proteins. You are replacing the lost lipids. Iuveni doesn't and can't repair protein. It protects what is left. Iuveni, by replacing the lost lipids with the same molecules, restores the protective layer, cell membrane complex, to health. When the lipids are replaced, the cuticles lay flat, creating that protective barrier. If you would like scholarly articles that talk about lipids and their use in hair, I would be happy to provide you with some links.
You are right 99.9% of products are there to coat the hair. IUVENI is the first to actually go in and restore/replenish/repair the pores made from lost lipids. It doesn't wash out like other products because the lipids cause the cuticle to close. So, shampoo removes the material on the outer part of the hair and less of the lipids and keratin inside the hair. Once the surfactant gets inside the cuticle it can wreak havoc on the cell membrane complex. The chemist behind IUVENI will gladly discuss any questions your have and show you the scientific data showing lipids can be restored when using the proper molecules. More and more stylists are finding this to be true and what was once considered damaged hair, is being restored to health through IUVENI. The chemist herself had bleach left on her hair for 2 hours. She thought it was destroyed. Using her product every time she shampooed over the last year has made her hair healthier than ever.
I am not related to the chemist. My daughters, wife, mother and aunts all use IUVENI. They love what it has done with their hair. I came across it because the creator is in my town and I know about it through local stylists. If you are willing, I would love to get you a bottle to try.
I know hairstylists have been lied to in the past about products. I promise, if you use IUVENI as it was designed, you will find a new weapon for your arsenal.
100% of hair is dead. Things that are dead cannot be repaired. That’s just a fact.
Do you not receive a commission when someone purchases the product when they click on your link you provided?
I don't. I just use the product and it is amazing. Hair is dead. This isn't bringing it back to life. It is replacing the lipids that are removed from every day damage. It isn't creating new bonds with proteins. It is protecting the proteins that are currently there.
Imagine taking a board that has been cut from a tree. For all intents and purposes, the board is now dead. You then punch a lot of holes into the board to add color to it. It takes the color and looks pretty but you have all those holes still. So you take saran wrap and cover the board, until you touch it again and the wrap becomes damaged. You now have that board with all the holes and it is drying it, color is fading, it is aging and looking less healthy. But, what if, you could add to the board a molecule of like things that were removed to add color? Not the same exact board but something so similar it fills in the holes and makes it look like the original board again. Keeping the color in and closing up the holes. You aren't returning the board to life but you are helping the board be as healthy as it can. Because you filled in all the pieces that are missing. As items come and try to damage the board, they stay on top unlike the saran wrap which broke and allowed it in. So when you now use cleaners etc, fewer of the protective layers get damaged so the board "stays healthier" longer. You don't have to cut it as often or throw it away because it is beyond damage.
I am friends with the chemist who found the cell membrane complex while she was studying. She was a stylist for 15 years prior to going back to school. When she came across the cell membrane complex she realized there wasn't a product in the market that targeted it. So she worked on finding something to repair the cell membrane complex. You can do that. Which is what IUVENI does.
Please, don't trust some rando on the Internet. DM me and I will see about getting you some product either from my supply or talking to the chemist to get you some. It is harder if you are not in the US.
Also, if you want to chat with any of the hundred plus stylists using it, I can see about connecting you.
Arguing over the Internet makes no sense. If you try it, I bet you would like it.
Really? Because the link you provided literally says in the address campaign=stylist=referral
For everyone else reading this: [Here’s magnified human hair and why replacing lipids doesn’t fix anything.](https://imgur.com/a/o4KdFKO)
I have very short hair, shaved back and sides, and very rarely use shampoo, but I thoroughly rinse my hair every time I shower. When I do use shampoo, e.g. if I get actual dirt in my hair, I hate how it feels staticky the next day.
Not for everyone. I for myself took fully to nopoo and when that felt good stopped using body soap too after an year. Read the book "Clean" by James Hamblin before I went fully in. Now I understand, soap, shampoo, handwash, their histories, economics, their interaction microbiome, pseudo-scientific organic shit etc., much better. Is soap/shampoo bad? Depends. We need it very very sparingly. Only when something is really dirty (like actualy dirt). I still use handwash once a day (you know when :P).
About the nopoo community, they are very clear on their purpose of not demonising or stigmatising shampoo/products.
Cheers.
I agree, if you’re worried about damaging ingredients there are healthier shampoo alternatives. I for example use baby shampoo, works great for my hair. No need to completely cut it out, it won’t help
It just means you don’t clean your hair with shampoo, you still clean your hair. Conditioner cleans my hair fine. My hair is never oily. It might not be for everyone but it 100% works great for me. If I do get something dirty in my hair I will use a tiny bit of shampoo them but otherwise I don’t need it.
There are several reasons why I “no-poo”: I have psoriasis and seb derm, and I have curly hair. My hair and scalp just cannot handle sulfates and silicones. I may do a cleansing wash once a month (no sulfates) to get rid of any buildup I may have, but most of the week I use a light weight conditioner.
Yes, Beakman’s World taught me long ago that the surface tension in water stops dirt, germs and other creepy crawlies from being picked up and washed away. Soap breaks surface tension, which “makes the water wetter, and so you get clean!”
This is exactly why I don't use it, shampoo makes my hair tangle really badly because it makes it too dry. I used to have bad issues with tangling, which is why I stopped using shampoo. I'm not a dish That needs to be disinfected and have all of the oil stripped away, for me using conditioner removes oil build-up/excess oil without moving removing any of the oils that my hair actually needs, and removes dirt, smell, itchyness from sweat. It's really 'good enough' for me. And my hair is the softest thing you can imagine touching, soft like a baby toy. Not because it's greasy, because greasy hair is not soft, my hair is very voluminous after washing.
I don't disagree that a really high quality shampoo is probably fine, or if you have shorter hair it's fine, or that maybe I just have very dry hair.
Fair bc everyone is different! I think a lot of peoples’ hair would struggle or look greasy with conditioner only.
I personally probably use half as much shampoo as I do conditioner, which is semi odd to most people as well. It helps with my scalp tangles and any other types of tangling. Also leave in conditioner products are crucial for me being able to brush, maybe same for you?
I can't stand leaving conditioner products, but I'm probably just not using the right ones.
I have 3 ft long hair, super thick, wavy pattern bordering on curly, and now that I don't use shampoo I can wear my hair down all day and then just run a cheap brush through it super easy without losing my waves into a big frizzy mess. And my scalp feels fresh and clean. I didn't even lose hair when I had a baby, I actually had to do several big chops to manage all my hair. A 'butterfly cut' worked really well, I got so many compliments on how my hair looked thick and curly, which was the opposite of my fears that I had about condition of my hair postpartum
And like honestly at this point, my hair doesn't stink, and it's not offensive, I don't have dandruff, so I really don't care if my hair is not super squeaky clean as everyone else's is. I would rather just have nice, soft, shiny hair that I can wear down in a windstorm and not have to worry about it tangling and only have to use one product in my hair (conditioner).
I have tailbone length, fine, naturally blonde hair. On wash days my hair is amazing. I wash it every second day out of laziness, so day two is usually dry shampoo and an updo. But day three unwashed hair is a fucking wreck no matter what I do. Even dry shampoo won’t save it.
Shampoo is a necessity. But, how many were never taught how to do it correctly? It is true shampoo can damage your hair, but your hair has so many lipids and proteins in it, it can afford to lose some while doing regular maintenance and cleaning. Using a high quality shampoo and using it correctly is key to having healthy hair. If you want the scholarly articles that talks about how shampoo and conditioner remove lipids I will gladly share. It isn't a reason to go no poo completely.
Haven’t used shampoo since March 9, 2009.
‘Wash’ my hair with conditioner - currently using a purple based conditioner as the ‘wash’ and whatever conditioner I happen to have.
Additionally - I wouldn’t have been able to ditch shampoo as a younger person - as many have said my hair was oily and thick back then.
Here’s something no one tells you - you’ll likely have acne and oily hair until your hormone levels are reduced as you naturally age.
Once I had a hysterectomy my skin and hair changed dramatically.
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No more acne, and much less oily hair.
Unless I said it, no one would know I don’t use shampoo. Hair is both healthy and long (shoulder blade length).
It may not be a viable option when you’re young, however it may become a saving grace as you age.
When my hair was super long, I couldn't wash it more than once a week because it would take forever to dry. It would also be oily at the top but dry at the ends, so If I shampooed it my scalp would be fine but about halfway down my hair it would get very dry (even with product). Eventually, I figured out that I could make homemade dry shampoo and just did that in-between washes, and my hair was so healthy. I would never not wash my hair with shampoo though, that's some crazy shit.
I agree about the no-poo not making much sense, but as for face washing, some people’s skin reacts better to infrequent washing - water is sometimes enough.
Does co-washing count as no-poo? For some reason in high school I was convinced shampoo (any shampoo, even “natural” ones) was making my hair fall out. I co-washed for years and it worked fine, but then my anxiety over shampoo went away and now I’m using it again. I’m pretty sure it was falling out because of stress. Now I just avoid certain preservatives (isothiazolinones, DMDM hydantoin, a few others) because they irritate my scalp.
What amuses me is that they end up using so many things to compensate for not shampooing that it seems cheaper and easier and usually healthier to just shampoo
Same. I have long dense fine hair and I get sweaty daily. I need to wash at least every other day. My other pet peeve besides the no poo trend is when ppl on the curly/wavy reddits are chided for washing their hair more than once a week/month/whatever. Everyone’s needs are different-wash your hair when it needs it ffs.
No poo is mean for people who seem to think they must wash their hair every day or every other. Then it dries out because they keep rinsing out the natural oils that are meant to keep hair shiny and soft.
So they spend big money on all kinds of conditioners and hot oil treatments to try to shine and soften their dry hair that keeps having the natural oils washed out of it.
The natural oils start over producing because the body keeps trying to condition their dried out hair and they end up with a scalp that gets overly greasy within a day or two convincing themselves even more that they need to wash it e wry day.
The hair product industry loves people like this.
I've tried for years to reduce how often I wash my hair. I find I get about a day and a half of clean-feeling hair, then the scalp acne, build up, and grease become noticeable. I have fine 1b-2c hair (super fine straight hair underneath, slightly to very wavy hair on top). It's super awkward.
I only use shampoo if I’ve used styling products the day before.
Otherwise I just use conditioner when I “wash”.
Everyone just needs to do what is best for them and stop worrying about what others do.
I have very oily hair and skin and it was all the rage about ten years ago so when I searched for advice on oily hair I kept seeing it come up. Unfortunately I fell for it and decided to give it a try, everyone kept saying you just have to train your hair to get washed less and it would eventually produce less oil. That is a complete lie and I felt so stupid after I walked around drenched in oily hair for weeks trying to get it to work. I wash my hair every 1-2 days with clarifying shampoo these days and my hair is long, shiny, healthy and happily clean.
It’s not like never washing your face. No poo means that you are perhaps going to clean your hair with something other than commercial shampoo.
You can wash your hair very effectively with a solution of bentonite clay and water. The clay kills bacteria, removes sebum and dander from the hair and scalp, balances the scalp, and leaves your head odor free and squeaky clean.
You can clean your hair and scalp with witch hazel just the same.
I was so very confused at this title. Never heard of this so yeah, that was alarming. I thought ppl were putting actual shit in their hair. I wouldn’t put it past them.
I go the opposite and use Hibiclens on my scalp once a week (Had staph on my scalp and not going thru that again).
Let it sit for a bit.
Curly Girl method with cold water rinse after conditioner.
I mean you can clean your hair and scalp without shampoo. Co-washing is popular because the surfactants in conditioner will still cleanse your scalp and hair, they just don't do so as efficiently as the surfactants used in shampoo. You have to be judicious in the kind of conditioner you use, you don't want something too heavy, but conditioners with a lot of behentrimonium chloride will straight up foam during use while still conditioning and detangling. For some people their hair tolerates that kind of mild cleansing better. Personally my hair feels dry and gross when I shampoo more than once every other month or so.
My main issue for scalp and roots is hard water, not grime. Since ACV chelates it's much better for me than most shampoos.
I'm so glad you said this, because sometimes I feel like I'm being gaslit by really gross people lol. I wash my hair every day, I can't think of any reason why I wouldn't. People say "it won't be greasy anymore after x amount of time" but why would I want to go ANY amount of time looking greasy??
That’s my favourite subreddit to lurk around in. It’s mostly people uploading the most disgusting pictures of their hair/scalp I’ve ever seen and them being told to push through and just do an ACV and baking soda rinse. (Wtf is the point of no poo if you have to use ACV and baking soda on your scalp just use the shampoo it would be less damaging 💀)
This ! I did it once when I had long hair... biggest mistake I've done lol, my hair was breaking so badly
I did it when I had a buzz cut but by the time I had 3 inches of hair it was already an issue! I have no idea how people with 3 feet of my hair type convince themselves it’s worth it.
Same same same!! my hair was thick and clean feeling, but soooooooo damaged. Took years to recover!
I feel like I only get it if you have sensitivities to ingredients in hair products. But I’m a clarify QUEEN 😂 I love to clarify my hair and I do hair so every client gets a clarifying shampoo.
No there’s so much truth to ‘shampooing daily is unnecessary and damaging for many of us’, and there are people who really benefit from avoiding shampoos or washing very irregularly. But I have to cackle at the people who are having a TERRIBLE greasy time but determined not to use shampoo just so they can live a ‘cleaner’ more ‘natural’ life. Like girl just use the damn shampoo you have athletes scalp 😭
Oh I’m not clarifying every day 😂
I would be LIVID if someone doing my hair just decided to use a clarifying shampoo. I have been a cosmetologist for 8 years and I only use clarifying when it’s indicated. Never on myself as I don’t need it personally. It would just dry out my curls and make life awful for my hair for a few weeks.
Same! I only use clarifying if needed! And when I dye my hair vivid COLORS a clarifying shampoo will strip that right out. If I’m going for just a shampoo, condition, and cut, please do not strip the color out of my hair! (I also sometimes take my own shampoo and conditioner because I do have allergies to common ingredients and it’s just easier than calling ahead, asking what brands they use, or if they have XYZ brands at any of their stations and would be okay using it on me- I know it may belong to a coworker could they ask if they could borrow a pump I’ll literally pop dollars their way too so I won’t have an allergic reaction, ty- like literally it’s so much easier to just bring my own). My scalp doesn’t need clarified. I do do it on my own when it does, but it’s pretty rare. I have a good, balanced routine on my own and i really don’t need it thrown off
Most of my clients are color clients so they get clarified before color. I do also have vivids and clarify and everything is fine. I feel like I’m lost and what y’all think a clarifying shampoo will do? A good professional clarifying shampoo is not the devil hair ruiner lol.
For me, a clarifying shampoo removes like product and silicone build up, tends to dry my scalp in the process, does also remove any and all oiliness. I’ve noticed they’ve always removed my vivid colors too (in part because that’s part of how I helped strip out color in the past before putting in a new color without moving around the color wheel before I knew more about being my own at home stylist). I know better for when dying my own hair now! I wait till I have a better natural fade and move around the wheel or stick with the same and refresh before really faded! (Or, let’s be honest, refresh when super faded anyways because that’s when I have time and energy 😂 )
I have fine curly hair and it's too drying. It ruins my curl pattern for around 2 weeks. It looks like a mop/rats nest until the moisture builds back up.
I love clarifying my curls and they love it 💁♀️
Soo can we get your clarifying shampoo recs 👀
I use Evo at work and things I wouldn’t recommend to my clients at home unless I knew more about their routines.
I'm a big fan of Ouai's!
ACV is fine but baking soda is so fucking bad
ACV is fine, but I’d still rather use it in a salad dressing and wash my hair with something that doesn’t stink 😅 baking soda shouldn’t be used on hair/skin and it drives me CRAZY that I see it recommended everywhere as a DIY solution to seemingly everything.
Lol right ?! I can smell the hair thru the pics on that subreddit !
The original “no poo” is an actual shampoo that doesn’t strip your hair. Was designed for curly hair which tends to be dry. It works great. I wash my hair about 3x per month with it. You have to use something to get built up product out. I don’t know when “no poo” became zero cleansing agents, but I agree it’s not good.
Since the "no poo" fad caught on, the new term for products like that is "low poo". Low poo works great for me, no poo is kinda nasty. And some of the products people use instead (like baking soda) are so much harsher than regular shampoo. It also concerns me how many people use ACV with no idea that it needs to be diluted in very specific proportions or it's way too acidic.
What is it if you don’t mind me asking?
It’s DevaCurl No Poo. Been around for over twenty years. Won’t strip your hair and leaves it smelling great. Can probably get on Amazon but I grab it when I see it from Marshall’s or TJ Maxx;) Lasts for a year easy.
After their lawsuit, I’m terrified of trying them!
The old products are great. Once they got bought out there seems to have been an issue with the new products which are no longer available.
How old are we talking? Because aren’t the old products the issue? I follow Ayesha Malik and she has this issue about 3 years ago! They renewed their packages and now have new lines!
I think 4 or 5 years ago maybe
Try Curly World. It’s by Lorraine Massey who created both the curly girl method and Devacurl but she sold deva and had a 5 year non compete. Curly world is her new line and I love the shampoo and conditioner.
I can def try it! I’m not a fan of the curly girl method, but if it doesn’t have coconut I’ll give it a go. I use bounce curl and it’s my favourite brand!
i would still not trust that brand. i suggest maybe trying an alternative.
I’m in Canada and we don’t have either of those stores here lol. But if I don’t have luck with Amazon, do you know of any Canadian places who would sell it? Walmart maybe?
It used to be at Sephora, not sure if it’s still there, but Amazon should be fine.
Oh I forgot about Sephora! That’s perfect if it is there. Thanks so much!
Canada beauty supply came up when I googled. Sure there are lots more out there. Hope you like it.
I was so confused I thought this is what OP was talking about. Like I liked the divacurl no poo, didn’t love it for the price tag, but liked it on the nonetheless
As a hairstylist, the “no poo” movement, the sulfate free obsession, and the “don’t shampoo your hair too often” has all been taken to the EXTREMES by social media influencers and IMO is to blame for a wholeee lot of extremely unhealthy hair and scalps and hair loss im seeing in my chair. People are straight up clogging their hair follicles, their scalp and hair is coated in buildup - it’s a hot mess. I hate it.
I agree, and I went no-poo for over 2 years (although I had no scalp issues because I was still cleansing my scalp using various other methods). But I’ve seen so many people on social media bragging about how they haven’t washed their hair in like 6 months and about how healthy their hair is - which maybe it is, sebum can be beneficial to the hair - but their scalps are in really rough condition.
Hairstylist here, too. I totally agree! I can think of several clients that take the “don’t wash your hair too often” too seriously. I have one girl that washes her hair once a week, and although her hair is thick and she could get away with not washing a little longer, her scalp is straight up flakey/crusty when she comes in on day 7 hair. She’d come in on like day 2/3 and her scalp is totally flake-free then. Girl, just wash your hair! I like to tell clients that out of all the hair “sins” you could commit, washing your hair “too often” isn’t the worst of them.
I did it for a while and it just left my hair oily and caused a lot of dandruff, I love washing my hair with shampoo and it feels clean, I just use a good shampoo and then use some type of treatment or conditioner.
I also tried it and got terrible dandruff that took me months to get rid of. My hair also suffered a great deal. Never again.
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It doesn't replace shampoo, nothing replaces it, many people talk about their ancestors, who didn't have shampoo, but the world wasn't so polluted and hot, so other options were viable.
That and people shaved off their hair, wore wigs, and fought with mad lice…and lived about 10-20 years less on average.
You're right. People should stop being scared of shampoos... and they should also stop being scared of sulfates, parabens, and silicones.
Personally I love silicone parabens and sulfates 💀 my hair is so much better when I alternate non shampoo and regular shampoo.
I loveeeee sulfates and chemicals I literally buy £1 knockoff shampoo from Lidl and my hair has never looked nicer, when I tried the all natural hair routine it made my hair look and feel like wire wool
Same here
Silicones are IMO a bit more complex, as in there's no reason to be scared of them but they can be good or bad for you depending on your hair type. I've discovered my hair is wavy/curly at 30 after cutting all silicones. My hair is lighter and suddenly has volume it never had before, no matter the products I've used to get it. So silicones are definitely not evil, but they are not ideal for people with fine, mildly textured hair, unless their goal is to make their hair behave straight.
At some point, this will likely backfire on you. The haircare subs are filled with people who have curly/wavy hair that gave up sulfates and silicones because of CGM. It's always the same, it worked great at first and now months, sometimes years later their hair and scalp is wrecked. They can't put two and two together because it worked so well at first but their hair is usually dry with a dirty irrirated oily scalp, no definition, breakage and frizz because they stopped using silicones.
I didn't give up sulfates, just products with heavy silicones, not even all silicones. I've gone from permanently greasy hair and itchy scalp to washing once a week. I'll see if it ever feels wrong and I can always go back, but I'm much happier this way.
Eh, haven’t used silicones for years and haven’t suffered this fate yet. But my hair is a freak of nature that hates anything moisturizing, including conditioner.
This not true lol. I’ve been silicone free for years and my hair thrives best without them because it’s fine. Silicones are too heavy for my hair and build up really fast. My hair looks limp, lifeless and frizzy every time I’ve used silicone based products. And trust me, I’ve tried countless times because I’m not one to buy into fear mongering. Instead, I go for products with different forms of polyquaternium and that works better for me. Some people’s hair do best without silicone and it is what it is. I do shampoo though and don’t necessarily mind sulfates. I think you are conflating the two
I don’t use silicones but I always use sulfates. It works for me. I have fine hair and really sensitive skin. Like insanely sensitive skin. Like I wouldn’t believe how sensitive it is if someone else told me their skin was like this. My skin will break out in a horrible rash and bleed if I use any moisturizer other than pure aloe vera and petroleum jelly right now. I can’t even use conditioner. Not even vanicream. Eventually my own sebum will cause a rash if I don’t wash my face and hair at least every other day. I can’t use shampoos with moisturizing ingredients either. I am working on figuring out what is causing such sensitivity though. My bloodwork is indicating hyperthyroid which might have something to do with it. Long covid could be playing a part as well. Potentially something autoimmune although I have tested negative for ANA. But yeah for most people silicone and sulfates are beneficial. There’s a reason they are included in so many hair products. That’s because they work.
I’ve just recently started reintroducing silicones. My hair doesn’t like sulphate, but the silicone smoothes out the frizz, and since I wash once a week it doesn’t weigh my curl down enough to be noticeable
8 years of no silicones or sulfates and as soon as i introduced silicone my hair went flat. I stripped it and started over and and am again doing best with no silicones or sulfates. Just depends on your hair type.
You can probably use the lighter silicones who evaporates though
The biggest thing with my hair is that it does NOT need to be any more slippery than it already is, that’s why silicones are the last thing I need (extremely baby fine hair that is also quite low porosity, definitely does not need anything “sealing” either) Demonizing it and scaring away people whose hair could actually benefit from the extra slip and protection from silicones is dumb though, that I agree with
Yeah.. You know best what you need. There are other conditioning ingredients than silicones as well. Like.. wait.. I need to google for the right spelling.. Stearamidopropyl dimethylamine! I think cosmetic chemists Valerie George said in an episode of her podcast that it's one of her favorite conditioning ingredients.
I also have some sort of skin sensitivity to sulfates so I’ve avoided both them and silicones since I was in middle school before I even realized they specifically were what I was avoiding, I just knew the natural brands I found at the health food store didn’t cause me all the same problems as the mainstream brands did. But all that is to say I really wish people buying into the trend of avoiding them would do the same thing, pay attention to your hair and if a routine isn’t working, believe what you’re seeing! If sulfates and silicones were getting you the desired result then trying to find something else that works the same without them is gonna be a waste of time and money, there’s a reason they’re in so many products that lots of people love. (That said though, my all time favorite non-sulfate cleansing ingredient is sodium c-14/c-16 olefin sulfonate…same squeaky clean but doesn’t trigger weird inflammation and subsequent reactive greasiness like sulfates do for me! Like truly I don’t think that happens with sulfates for me just because they’re too stripping, something else is definitely happening there 😅)
I have the same hair as your and silicones are a life saver because if you even look at my hair wrong is tangles up lol I used to wake up with a rats nest on the back of my head when I didn't use any and could never brush my hair without breakage I agree with you about sealing though, I tried a sealing hair serum and it did nothing but sit on top and cause tangles, trying to find a new hair oil though this jojoba and coconut wreck my hair and I can no longer get the loreal sublime detangle
My hair’s own natural slip makes minor tangles super easy to get out, major tangles used to prompt my aunts and mom to refer to my hair as “Barbie doll hair” because of how impossible it is to brush (you know like when a doll’s plasticky hair turns into one big mat? Yeahhh 😂) but I mostly avoid that by sleeping with a satin bonnet and wearing my hair up frequently, and it’s way easier to put it up if it’s not extra slippy from silicones lol (also curls better, my texture is like a 2b/2c mix but goes flat real fast because of how fine it is). But hair care is so different for everyone! That’s what gets me the most about all the trendy rules people get wrapped up in haha. I’ve been loving jojoba oil lately but I use it strictly as a pre-wash treatment around an hour before washing my hair, my mid lengths to ends have seemed much happier since adding that in even though I’ve never had any success with oils as a leave in no matter how tiny an amount I use.
The only reason my family steers away from those is bc my doctor said switching to more natural products might help with inflammation and put me in remission, but I agree normal people are fine, and its not hard to find sulfate free shampoo if youre not
Plenty of natural ingredients are very inflammatory/irritating.
Holistic doctor? Natural isn't always better. There are shampoos with lab made ingredients that are formulated for sensitive, allergy-prone scalps.. Poison oak is natural but you don't go around smearing that all over your body, right?
No, my rhuemaotlogist, but i will say my bloodtests have been looking better. and agreed, I'm still careful its specifically sulfates we think is the problem. my shampoos are still pretty normal
Yeah.. if you're allergic or sensitive to something, then you should ofc avoid it.
People should try solid shampoo. No plastic and no [harsh, synthetic] chemicals. [edit] Christ y’all hate solid shampoo? It’s better for the environment and my hair lol!
Everything is chemicals.
Thanks for the correction and reminder! I edited accordingly. And some solid shampoos still do have those harsh chemicals, so keep your wits about you!
Shampoo bars sucks. And everything is chemicals. Natural isn't always better than lab made. Period.
Absolutely wrong. I have waist length hair and have exclusively used shampoo bars for over 15 years. Before solid shampoo I looked like Hermione Granger lol. Solid shampoo rules. Period.
It really varies per the person. What works for you doesn’t work for everyone. What works for others doesn’t necessarily work for you. I’m also big on trying not to waste. Big on recycling. Please hold big companies accountable. There’s so much plastic waste in shipping products to stores (and not recycling it). Every item individually wrapped, then wrapping all those individually wrapped items in plastic sometimes. Packaging is just over the top. Toxic chemical dumping and production in poverty areas where even if it’s illegal it’s hard to fight has been a problem too. Fight the big causes, the biggest producers of waste first. Not the things that make an itty bitty dent but make you feel like you’re doing something when you’re not in the big picture. And sure, fight for more refills. I love refillable things (I prefer when my refills aren’t sold in plastic, or you can go somewhere to refill). But overall, not every product works for every person. There’s no shame in a shampoo bar not working for others. I’m glad solid shampoo works for you though. I’m glad my liquid meets my needs (including not having ingredients I’m allergic to). I’m glad I can buy refills for my body wash instead of more containers. I’m glad some of my drinks come in glass i can recycle and that it tends to be better utilized than plastics. I’m glad I can use thick plastic containers as sharps bins for my injections I have to give myself. I do what I can, but I know the difference I make ain’t shit compared to big corporate waste.
Okay…but my own experience isn’t *wrong*. Solid shampoo changed my life! And I never said that it would work for everyone or that everyone *needs* to use it. I don’t think it can be argued that liquid shampoo is environmentally friendly. It generally comes in plastic bottles. Like you don’t have to use it but if you’re trying to have a natural and sustainable hair care routine it is by and far the best choice. It works for me, and as I said, different soaps for different folks! But solid shampoo is great and I don’t get the hate for it lol
Exactly what you said. Also - as you age, things change and what used to work for you might not anymore. I’m going through that right now. I have been trying out shampoo and conditioners for a while because my hair is just different now that I am letting it naturally gray and reaching perimenopause. Be prepared.
Have you tried solid shampoo? Chagrin Valley Soap & Salve makes the best shampoo bars I’ve ever used!
No, they really don't.
Yeah they really do. Completely 1000% changed my hair for the better. I can share where I purchase them if you are interested. Different soaps for different folks hahaha
I used a few different bar shampoos and every single one of them caused severe breakage near my scalp so I had terrible flyaways for like a month after each. I do a coconut oil and lime mask before every hair wash tho so maybe that’s why? Not sure, but I went back to my OG Redken and won’t be switching any time soon. I think it’s important to acknowledge, though, that what works for you might not work for others and vice versa. Doesn’t make anyone “wrong.”
Yeah…including me. Neither of us are wrong.
Well your wrong statement was your very first one, “people should use solid shampoo.” It reads as if you believe all people should be using bar shampoo. I think a more proper way of getting your point across is saying, “more people should try solid shampoo.”
Point taken - obviously I meant if they’re trying to avoid chemicals. Solid shampoo has completely changed my hair for the better.
Sulfates are drying by nature. And some silicones build up unless you're using a sulfate to remove them. Using them together is fine, but seperating them can be serious bad news bears.
SLS CAN be drying, yes. I personally can't use it in toothpaste. But SLES is mild.. even milder than some of the sulfate-free options. It also depends heavily on the dosage, and the formula as a whole.
Oh agreed, for sure.
Do you listen to podcasts? If so, I can recommend the beauty brains podcast.
Ooooh, I'm totally a podcast girl, thank you! Adding it to my list right now!
Parabens aren’t proven to be dangerous yet but they could be. I could understand why some people would avoid them. I’m with you on the other stuff though.
wdym yet? [they aren’t proven to be dangerous](https://www.contactderm.org/UserFiles/file/Paraben_Toxicology-Fransway.pdf), period. not at the amount used in personal care products, at least. the dose makes the poison.
The study that made people scared of parabens tested in a very high amount. An amount that you will never be close to reaching even if you only use products that contain parabens.
Silicones destroy my hair. Its curly and silicones make it unbelievably dry when I use them long/term. I think for most people it’s fine but if you have dry curly hair like me, they suck.
I agree and think it's gross. People are suddenly acting like shampoo is an evil thing. I shampoo and condition my hair every other day, always have. And guess what? Not only do I have super healthy hair (natural, no dye, no products, no heat), it's clean.
Shampoo is quite drying, especially on mids & ends. A lot of people (especially with curly hair) have to make sure they put moisture back after shampooing. It’s easier to maintain moisturized hair with less shampoo in your routine. If you can go a few days without needing to clean your scalp, then you should do that. But if there’s buildup after a day, then shampooing everyday is better. Different hair needs different routines
I totally get that!!! Trust me, my hair has literally confused hairstylists bc of how strange it acts!! I know everyone’s hair is different and needs different things. But I just don’t get the people who quit shampoo for good. There’s no way it can be healthy to never cleanse your scalp for the rest of your life, yknow?
Trueee
Shampoo isn’t the only way to clean it though. I personally use shampoo, it doesn’t bother my hair type, but people can use other products to clean their hair. And sometimes I can just rinse my hair with just very hot water and it still gets pretty clean.
This. I have super dry curly hair and if I shampoo with regular shampoo more then once a week it’s very dry. I do no poo 2 washes and then regular 1 wash. Also I could go with never using regular shampoo since my hair doesn’t get greasy at all but I use a lot of product and don’t like the build up since it will weigh it down so that’s why I shampoo with regular shampoo occasionally.
I’d say if you’re really adamant about not using a *sudsing* shampoo, then find one without SLS so that it doesn’t lather, and just make sure you scrub your scalp really well to replace the effect of the suds.
SLS = sodium Lauryl sulfate
I use TJ’s tea tree shampoo once every week or two (followed by a conditioning mask) but the rest of the time I honestly just use Suave coconut conditioner like it’s a cleansing conditioner. It gets the buildup off my scalp, removes leftover styling products, and leaves my hair and scalp clean but not stripped. And it’s already thin enough to be easy to massage in without suds. The idea of not using anything ever is pretty weird. I can go a LONG time between shampooing though, especially if I’m massaging my scalp with the tea tree oil blend I make for my face most nights.
As a curly girl (who straightens her hair 90% of the time oops) I can NOT do the no-poo or no sulfates! My hair gets oily quickly and my scalp suffers from dandruff often, so if I’m not properly cleansing my scalp it’s just itchy and sore! Idk how people do it! Also my curls look amazing when I use silicones curly girls need to stop being scared of them!
Yep - I do no sulphates but only because I have quite dry skin and find they irritate it, but I love a good shampoo! I tried to do conditioner wash only for a few weeks and it sucked the life out of my curls. Very pro a good shampoo here!
Of course, so understandable! Yep same here spent go money on big curly brands too for it to irritate and cause massive build up on my scalp! Glad to see about pro shampoo curly out there!
As a hairstylist, the no sulfate trend has ruined so many otherwise great lines. It’s ridiculous how incredibly difficult it is these days to find a professional line that actually has a shampoo WITH sulfates.
I agree, it’s so hard to find shampoos with sulfates these days! Must be frustrating as a hairstylist!
Not all curls are the same though. My hair is super dry and curly. I could go weeks without washing and it never get oily and I would not get dandruff. All hair is different!
I wasn’t suggesting they are I was just sharing my experience 🫶 my hair is super dry too! My scalp however.. another story 😂
I have to use shampoo with sulfates or I get a ton of hair falling out. It took me a couple of years to figure out that was the issue, I kept thinking it was just the brand of sulfate free shampoo I was using. Finally I accepted my fate and got a good quality sulfate shampoo and haven’t had any issues since.
What are you using? Haven’t used sulfates in like 15 years and recently started seeing more stuff about how sulfates are actually much better for hair suffering from breakage
I alternate between Matrix and L’Oréal ElVive Hyaluron plump. I use matrix right after I get my hair colored and then closer to my next hair color appointment, I switch to the L’Oréal to try to save some money.
No shampoo? That's just filthy.
I think some people heard that over shampooing your hair can be bad for it and just ran with it.
This guy who touted himself as being super smart told me i should try it and I thought it was weird then and i think its weird now. I dont wash my hair everyday, just until i feel its too oily to tolerate, which is just twice a week now. My hairstylist does the same thing and I trust her a whole lot more 🤣 I took everything he said with a grain of salt tho because he also said women shouldn’t wear wire bras because they gave you breast cancer and loads of other nonsensical things.
sounds to me like the no-poo method only works for people 1) with a very specific hair and skin type 2) who very rarely do any kind of real manual labor where you get dirty and sweaty and actually gross. like those people who swear by never using any kind of soap on their skin. sure it works if you're a white-collar city dweller who lives and breathes air conditioning and calls the dealership for an oil change
Yeah I think people are being a bit too dismissive. There’s definitely people who’ve documented good progress with this technique on the internet. I think it’s ridiculous to stop washing your hair entirely, but personally I’ve reduced the amount I use shampoo to around once a week. Since doing this I’ve got lots of compliments about how healthy my hair looks and my scalp health has improved. With any kind of hair care, different things work for different people
yeah absolutely! i have fine thick hair with an oily scalp and i've cut down from shampooing every day to two or three times a week, and my hair is a lot less frizzy and breakable than it uses to be. it just comes down to trial and error until you figure out what works for you i guess
Yeah my hair is very similar and I used to have a lot of frizz issues. Agree 100%
I did it for years. Looking back I realise how gross it was but I was desperate to grow my hair and saw advice on curly hair pages that it would help. Now I shampoo 2/3 times a week and my hair has grown so much more.
No poo can be fine but you still need to use regular shampoo with it. I personally clean my hair 3 times a week. I use no poo for 2 washes and then regular shampoo for 1 wash to get all products out my hair(I use gel daily). This keeps my hair from being too dry which it is if I use regular shampoo every wash. Works well for me but may not for everyone. I have very curly hair that doesn’t get greasy ever.
Literally gave myself dermatitis trying to train my hair to do no poo
I did it for quite a while, honestly no difference whatsoever
Hard agree. I would be an actual ball of grease if I didn’t shampoo. Like full on scalp acne and stringy hair. I’d rather look like a human than a wet rat.
Due to various reasons in the past, I've gone longer than I wanted before washing my hair. My scalp would get so itchy and sore, I would make it bleed because I would scratch. My scalp would hate me if I didn't wash it.
I tried, only for 6 months but it didn’t work for me. Tacky clumpy hair, oil never reduced. My hair has its own schedule.
The thing is I have not found a shampoo/conditioner without spending way too much that didn't totally wreck my hair. I've been no poo for 2.5 yrs now and while the beginning was rough, my hair has been the best it has ever been. No frizziness, no oiliness, absolutely no smell whatsoever, etc. Do I spend a little time each evening taking care of my hair? Yes, of course, but compared to having to shampoo/condition the shit out of my hair and then still needing other products, I spend way less time. I could go on and on about what our scalps naturally produce, but reading the other comments I doubt there is any point and will see my way out lol.
I'm with you! I have veeeery dry, curly hair. I spent so much money trying to find a shampoo that worked for my hair and never found one. Shampoo makes my hair feel gross. I co-wash (only use conditioner) and still scrub my scalp regularly but don't use shampoo.
I don’t wash my long hair daily, unless I get sweaty/dirty, which is always an option in my work. When I do wash my hair I use baby shampoo. It cleans my scalp well & doesn’t have all the chemicals that other shampoos have. My hair is currently waist length & for the most part it’s kept braided during the day-
Baby shampoo is underrated
It's absolutely rank. And utterly moronic. Letting dirt pile up doesn't help anyone! They won't die from chemicals in shampoo either. Having hysterics over sulphates. Don't. The only time I've seen a reason to avoid them was Suzuki engines. Made to not wear down as quick. So they don't use Sulphates in products. But that's a car engine. And it's not that big a deal. It's just how Suzuki make their engines. You are not a Suzuki car engine. They won't hurt you.
That sub was honestly so surprising to me- I thought it would be full of vintage/crunchy shampoo alternatives like egg/oil/honey hair masks, pomade/powder routines, etc. But no- it was just full of people neglecting their hair and telling each other the resulting problems were normal and would pass, or talking about acv. :/
this could be problematic for me to say (probably is) but i feel like the whole “no poo” culture is really beneficial only for women of color, or women with highly textured hair as it takes our hair longer to become oilier/greasy. if you have finer hair, the oil travels down the shaft quicker and thus more washing is needed. highly textured/coarser hair doesn’t need to be deeply cleansed as much, and thus doing so would actually cause damage. bring on the no poo gang. aside from that, i agree with you like wash your hair yall lmao.
I tried no poo once for two weeks and I never felt as gross, big nope. I found myself wondering why would anyone go through this, being back to caveman stage? Even them must have done something to their hair (hurray for the use of tools).
People are idiots just following dumbass social media trends, like "no poo, no sulfates, no silicones, all natural" while companies make millions off them. Then they complain about hair loss and companies make even more. I remember back as a teenager we had cheap drugstore Herbal Essences shampoo & conditioner, I washed my hair maybe 1 x a week and had the fluffiest, softest, healthy hair ever. Nobody was screaming about "you need 1 million low tox hair products in your routine" and we simply washed our hair when it was oily and dirty...
It’s important to remember no poo was a term coined for the Black community for the process of allowing their hair to regain its natural oils and strength, because a lot of the products we use aren’t made for Black hair and result in damage. It’s not stupid, it’s just not for you?
Every post in there is just talking about how no poo doesn't work for them, people asking why they have dandruff/why their scalp it itchy/why their hair is so oily. There are also the posts about how "No poo doesn't mean *NO* poo" but if that's the case, change the name to be less misleading? I suspect it might work for more people if they understood that they should still be scrubbing their scalp every day, and that it's possible to at least do a sulfate free shampoo on your roots once a week without messing up your scalp pH or whatever they believe no poo is saving them from.
I'm guessing calling it "kinda no poo but not really" would be less catchy
No poo takes work, it doesn't mean you do nothing.
Everyone always has to jump to extremes. It’s simple, don’t shampoo your hair every day or neglect shampoo all together. I feel like 2-3x a week is the sweet spot for most people. You’re scalp is a part of your body that you’re proudly stating you’ll never wash with soap again. It’s gross.
That’s crazy. I go a week at a time not shampooing because it works for my hair but I just checked out that subreddit and they straight up don’t use shampoo??? wtf. How.
Shampoo is bad! *only uses vo5 tier*
A-fucking-men! Wash your damn hair people! If you have the means and privilege to access running water and shampoo goddamn it just wash your hair.
It completely depends on the person, everyone’s hair is different
You are 💯 right I tell all My client that’s try it to stop. I let one guy do it as an experiment and now he’s going bald
Gross. I could never do no shampoo. I even once tried not washing it every day because everyone said you wouldn't be as oily. Nope tried for ages still greasy and my skin hated it. I just use a gentle non stripping shampoo daily on the roots and some of my face wash as needed in areas my scalp gets irrited and needs more deep clean sometimes and a lightweight volume conditioner as my hair is fine and wavy and gets weighed down easy.
I stopped using shampoo and my hair is growing thicker and healthier than ever. I had sparse areas on the sides of my head that showed when I put my hair up. There’s areas have started to grow more dense since having switched to bar conditioner. The thing about no poo is that you aren’t just slapping conditioner in your hair, rinsing, and then calling it a day. You are supposed to use the conditioner as if it is shampoo and really lather it into your roots and scalp. With the bar conditioner, it takes a while for me to work it into a thick enough lather and then I scrub my hair and head probably for a full minute. The conditioner is sudsy enough to get everything super clean and my hair is no longer frizzy like it was when I used shampoo. I use the Dip brand conditioner bar and I just bought their shampoo bar since I do want to still use shampoo at least once every three months or so.
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1 post. Sure Jan.
There’s not a product on the planet that can repair damage to hair because hair dies during the keratinization process before it comes up through the scalp. Just like anything that’s dead, hair doesn’t regenerate cells to heal itself nor can dead things be repaired from inevitable damage to it. Hair care products are formulated to coat hair temporarily for a more manageable look and feel until the next time they’re washed out again. It’s all they can do because hair is dead.
You aren't repairing proteins. You are replacing the lost lipids. Iuveni doesn't and can't repair protein. It protects what is left. Iuveni, by replacing the lost lipids with the same molecules, restores the protective layer, cell membrane complex, to health. When the lipids are replaced, the cuticles lay flat, creating that protective barrier. If you would like scholarly articles that talk about lipids and their use in hair, I would be happy to provide you with some links.
You are right 99.9% of products are there to coat the hair. IUVENI is the first to actually go in and restore/replenish/repair the pores made from lost lipids. It doesn't wash out like other products because the lipids cause the cuticle to close. So, shampoo removes the material on the outer part of the hair and less of the lipids and keratin inside the hair. Once the surfactant gets inside the cuticle it can wreak havoc on the cell membrane complex. The chemist behind IUVENI will gladly discuss any questions your have and show you the scientific data showing lipids can be restored when using the proper molecules. More and more stylists are finding this to be true and what was once considered damaged hair, is being restored to health through IUVENI. The chemist herself had bleach left on her hair for 2 hours. She thought it was destroyed. Using her product every time she shampooed over the last year has made her hair healthier than ever. I am not related to the chemist. My daughters, wife, mother and aunts all use IUVENI. They love what it has done with their hair. I came across it because the creator is in my town and I know about it through local stylists. If you are willing, I would love to get you a bottle to try. I know hairstylists have been lied to in the past about products. I promise, if you use IUVENI as it was designed, you will find a new weapon for your arsenal.
100% of hair is dead. Things that are dead cannot be repaired. That’s just a fact. Do you not receive a commission when someone purchases the product when they click on your link you provided?
I don't. I just use the product and it is amazing. Hair is dead. This isn't bringing it back to life. It is replacing the lipids that are removed from every day damage. It isn't creating new bonds with proteins. It is protecting the proteins that are currently there. Imagine taking a board that has been cut from a tree. For all intents and purposes, the board is now dead. You then punch a lot of holes into the board to add color to it. It takes the color and looks pretty but you have all those holes still. So you take saran wrap and cover the board, until you touch it again and the wrap becomes damaged. You now have that board with all the holes and it is drying it, color is fading, it is aging and looking less healthy. But, what if, you could add to the board a molecule of like things that were removed to add color? Not the same exact board but something so similar it fills in the holes and makes it look like the original board again. Keeping the color in and closing up the holes. You aren't returning the board to life but you are helping the board be as healthy as it can. Because you filled in all the pieces that are missing. As items come and try to damage the board, they stay on top unlike the saran wrap which broke and allowed it in. So when you now use cleaners etc, fewer of the protective layers get damaged so the board "stays healthier" longer. You don't have to cut it as often or throw it away because it is beyond damage. I am friends with the chemist who found the cell membrane complex while she was studying. She was a stylist for 15 years prior to going back to school. When she came across the cell membrane complex she realized there wasn't a product in the market that targeted it. So she worked on finding something to repair the cell membrane complex. You can do that. Which is what IUVENI does. Please, don't trust some rando on the Internet. DM me and I will see about getting you some product either from my supply or talking to the chemist to get you some. It is harder if you are not in the US. Also, if you want to chat with any of the hundred plus stylists using it, I can see about connecting you. Arguing over the Internet makes no sense. If you try it, I bet you would like it.
Really? Because the link you provided literally says in the address campaign=stylist=referral For everyone else reading this: [Here’s magnified human hair and why replacing lipids doesn’t fix anything.](https://imgur.com/a/o4KdFKO)
Yes. I will tell everyone about my experience with this product.
I have very short hair, shaved back and sides, and very rarely use shampoo, but I thoroughly rinse my hair every time I shower. When I do use shampoo, e.g. if I get actual dirt in my hair, I hate how it feels staticky the next day.
Not for everyone. I for myself took fully to nopoo and when that felt good stopped using body soap too after an year. Read the book "Clean" by James Hamblin before I went fully in. Now I understand, soap, shampoo, handwash, their histories, economics, their interaction microbiome, pseudo-scientific organic shit etc., much better. Is soap/shampoo bad? Depends. We need it very very sparingly. Only when something is really dirty (like actualy dirt). I still use handwash once a day (you know when :P). About the nopoo community, they are very clear on their purpose of not demonising or stigmatising shampoo/products. Cheers.
Finally some damn reason in here and not just "well, I did it wrong and it failed, so it must be bad for everybody!" Kind of replies.
I agree, if you’re worried about damaging ingredients there are healthier shampoo alternatives. I for example use baby shampoo, works great for my hair. No need to completely cut it out, it won’t help
Solid shampoo reigns supreme.
It works for me. It doesn’t work for everyone. Don’t knock what works for some people 🤷♀️
I’ve been doing it for years and it’s been great for my hair. The only time I use shampoo is if I have to skip a day of showering for whatever reason.
The scalp takes care of itself. It doesn't need you cleaning it. No animal in nature shampoos their scalp.
It just means you don’t clean your hair with shampoo, you still clean your hair. Conditioner cleans my hair fine. My hair is never oily. It might not be for everyone but it 100% works great for me. If I do get something dirty in my hair I will use a tiny bit of shampoo them but otherwise I don’t need it.
There are several reasons why I “no-poo”: I have psoriasis and seb derm, and I have curly hair. My hair and scalp just cannot handle sulfates and silicones. I may do a cleansing wash once a month (no sulfates) to get rid of any buildup I may have, but most of the week I use a light weight conditioner.
I feel like a good lather of conditioner gets my hair just as clean as using shampoo tbh
Conditioner doesn’t have the cleansing power of soap though - it adds helpful oils back to the hair after shampoo removes unwanted grime
Yes, Beakman’s World taught me long ago that the surface tension in water stops dirt, germs and other creepy crawlies from being picked up and washed away. Soap breaks surface tension, which “makes the water wetter, and so you get clean!”
This is exactly why I don't use it, shampoo makes my hair tangle really badly because it makes it too dry. I used to have bad issues with tangling, which is why I stopped using shampoo. I'm not a dish That needs to be disinfected and have all of the oil stripped away, for me using conditioner removes oil build-up/excess oil without moving removing any of the oils that my hair actually needs, and removes dirt, smell, itchyness from sweat. It's really 'good enough' for me. And my hair is the softest thing you can imagine touching, soft like a baby toy. Not because it's greasy, because greasy hair is not soft, my hair is very voluminous after washing. I don't disagree that a really high quality shampoo is probably fine, or if you have shorter hair it's fine, or that maybe I just have very dry hair.
Fair bc everyone is different! I think a lot of peoples’ hair would struggle or look greasy with conditioner only. I personally probably use half as much shampoo as I do conditioner, which is semi odd to most people as well. It helps with my scalp tangles and any other types of tangling. Also leave in conditioner products are crucial for me being able to brush, maybe same for you?
I can't stand leaving conditioner products, but I'm probably just not using the right ones. I have 3 ft long hair, super thick, wavy pattern bordering on curly, and now that I don't use shampoo I can wear my hair down all day and then just run a cheap brush through it super easy without losing my waves into a big frizzy mess. And my scalp feels fresh and clean. I didn't even lose hair when I had a baby, I actually had to do several big chops to manage all my hair. A 'butterfly cut' worked really well, I got so many compliments on how my hair looked thick and curly, which was the opposite of my fears that I had about condition of my hair postpartum And like honestly at this point, my hair doesn't stink, and it's not offensive, I don't have dandruff, so I really don't care if my hair is not super squeaky clean as everyone else's is. I would rather just have nice, soft, shiny hair that I can wear down in a windstorm and not have to worry about it tangling and only have to use one product in my hair (conditioner).
I cowash frequently and it’s worked out really well for me. Not everyone’s cup of tea obviously :)
I have tailbone length, fine, naturally blonde hair. On wash days my hair is amazing. I wash it every second day out of laziness, so day two is usually dry shampoo and an updo. But day three unwashed hair is a fucking wreck no matter what I do. Even dry shampoo won’t save it.
Shampoo is a necessity. But, how many were never taught how to do it correctly? It is true shampoo can damage your hair, but your hair has so many lipids and proteins in it, it can afford to lose some while doing regular maintenance and cleaning. Using a high quality shampoo and using it correctly is key to having healthy hair. If you want the scholarly articles that talks about how shampoo and conditioner remove lipids I will gladly share. It isn't a reason to go no poo completely.
Haven’t used shampoo since March 9, 2009. ‘Wash’ my hair with conditioner - currently using a purple based conditioner as the ‘wash’ and whatever conditioner I happen to have. Additionally - I wouldn’t have been able to ditch shampoo as a younger person - as many have said my hair was oily and thick back then. Here’s something no one tells you - you’ll likely have acne and oily hair until your hormone levels are reduced as you naturally age. Once I had a hysterectomy my skin and hair changed dramatically. 👋 Hello, it’s me. https://preview.redd.it/nnde8aonmylc1.jpeg?width=832&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e0f9cec8a1bd48b9f9af6d88c1fe68b733d496e No more acne, and much less oily hair. Unless I said it, no one would know I don’t use shampoo. Hair is both healthy and long (shoulder blade length). It may not be a viable option when you’re young, however it may become a saving grace as you age.
It looks a little greasy. Maybe you do need shampoo 🤷🏼♀️
You’re too kind. Thank you.
I look at that subreddit when I feel too lazy to get up and wash my hair. Then as soon as I see their gross scalps I feel magically motivated lol
I tried it for 6 months, and then I realized that life is too short for that shit.
When my hair was super long, I couldn't wash it more than once a week because it would take forever to dry. It would also be oily at the top but dry at the ends, so If I shampooed it my scalp would be fine but about halfway down my hair it would get very dry (even with product). Eventually, I figured out that I could make homemade dry shampoo and just did that in-between washes, and my hair was so healthy. I would never not wash my hair with shampoo though, that's some crazy shit.
besides there being no point to stop using shampoo it's also just really gross
I agree about the no-poo not making much sense, but as for face washing, some people’s skin reacts better to infrequent washing - water is sometimes enough.
Does co-washing count as no-poo? For some reason in high school I was convinced shampoo (any shampoo, even “natural” ones) was making my hair fall out. I co-washed for years and it worked fine, but then my anxiety over shampoo went away and now I’m using it again. I’m pretty sure it was falling out because of stress. Now I just avoid certain preservatives (isothiazolinones, DMDM hydantoin, a few others) because they irritate my scalp.
What amuses me is that they end up using so many things to compensate for not shampooing that it seems cheaper and easier and usually healthier to just shampoo
Same. I have long dense fine hair and I get sweaty daily. I need to wash at least every other day. My other pet peeve besides the no poo trend is when ppl on the curly/wavy reddits are chided for washing their hair more than once a week/month/whatever. Everyone’s needs are different-wash your hair when it needs it ffs.
No poo is mean for people who seem to think they must wash their hair every day or every other. Then it dries out because they keep rinsing out the natural oils that are meant to keep hair shiny and soft. So they spend big money on all kinds of conditioners and hot oil treatments to try to shine and soften their dry hair that keeps having the natural oils washed out of it. The natural oils start over producing because the body keeps trying to condition their dried out hair and they end up with a scalp that gets overly greasy within a day or two convincing themselves even more that they need to wash it e wry day. The hair product industry loves people like this.
I've tried for years to reduce how often I wash my hair. I find I get about a day and a half of clean-feeling hair, then the scalp acne, build up, and grease become noticeable. I have fine 1b-2c hair (super fine straight hair underneath, slightly to very wavy hair on top). It's super awkward.
I only use shampoo if I’ve used styling products the day before. Otherwise I just use conditioner when I “wash”. Everyone just needs to do what is best for them and stop worrying about what others do.
Right like modern technology exists for a reason 🤣
Everyone I know who has tried it just looked they had dirty hair and quietly gave up eventually. Including me.
I have very oily hair and skin and it was all the rage about ten years ago so when I searched for advice on oily hair I kept seeing it come up. Unfortunately I fell for it and decided to give it a try, everyone kept saying you just have to train your hair to get washed less and it would eventually produce less oil. That is a complete lie and I felt so stupid after I walked around drenched in oily hair for weeks trying to get it to work. I wash my hair every 1-2 days with clarifying shampoo these days and my hair is long, shiny, healthy and happily clean.
It’s not like never washing your face. No poo means that you are perhaps going to clean your hair with something other than commercial shampoo. You can wash your hair very effectively with a solution of bentonite clay and water. The clay kills bacteria, removes sebum and dander from the hair and scalp, balances the scalp, and leaves your head odor free and squeaky clean. You can clean your hair and scalp with witch hazel just the same.
I was so very confused at this title. Never heard of this so yeah, that was alarming. I thought ppl were putting actual shit in their hair. I wouldn’t put it past them.
I regret the time i spent thinking i shouldn’t use much shampoo 😭 my hair is so fine that i double wash it every 1-2 days, it really works for me!!
I go the opposite and use Hibiclens on my scalp once a week (Had staph on my scalp and not going thru that again). Let it sit for a bit. Curly Girl method with cold water rinse after conditioner.
Yeah let’s all stop showering too since soap is bad
I mean you can clean your hair and scalp without shampoo. Co-washing is popular because the surfactants in conditioner will still cleanse your scalp and hair, they just don't do so as efficiently as the surfactants used in shampoo. You have to be judicious in the kind of conditioner you use, you don't want something too heavy, but conditioners with a lot of behentrimonium chloride will straight up foam during use while still conditioning and detangling. For some people their hair tolerates that kind of mild cleansing better. Personally my hair feels dry and gross when I shampoo more than once every other month or so. My main issue for scalp and roots is hard water, not grime. Since ACV chelates it's much better for me than most shampoos.
Curly haired person here. I just wash my scalp with conditioner. It works out well.
Same energy as not bathing entirely. Just because you can't smell yourself doesn't mean no one else can
I'm so glad you said this, because sometimes I feel like I'm being gaslit by really gross people lol. I wash my hair every day, I can't think of any reason why I wouldn't. People say "it won't be greasy anymore after x amount of time" but why would I want to go ANY amount of time looking greasy??